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JBoyer |
Fun things to think about: select count(id),date_trunc('minute',source_send_time),target_copy,source,dest from action.transit_copy where source_send_time > '2018-03-01' group by 2,3,4,5 having count(id) > 1 ; |
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JBoyer |
538 duplicate transits to the minute, 286 to the second. Neat-o. |
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JBoyer |
(background: If you have 2 simultaneous transits identical in every way, what happens to the second when the item arrives? The answer is 'nothing, it just stays on the transit list display forever') |
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Bmagic |
I know this has come up but I'm a bit fuzzy. Patron penalties. For a multi branch system, we would like to set them at the system level but it appears that it doesn't work. PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINES is set at the system level for $10 and an example patron doesn't get the penalty |
| 10:42 |
abneiman |
terran++ # great minds :) |
| 10:50 |
Bmagic |
holy cow - it's because the patron already had that penalty at another system |
| 10:51 |
Bmagic |
two systems defined the same penalty and the patron received it from system A already which short circuited the code to apply it again at system B |
| 10:55 |
terran |
JBoyer: We've been seeing some weird duplicated transits too |
| 10:55 |
terran |
abneiman++ |
| 10:58 |
Bmagic |
JBoyer: I wonder if that can happen if the actor.org_unit_proximity table has doubles? |
| 10:59 |
Bmagic |
That query shows 179 on our DB |
| 11:00 |
JBoyer |
Bmagic, the times are different (just not by much). |
| 11:00 |
Bmagic |
Found any causes? |
| 11:00 |
JBoyer |
It's ye old race condition, except they're both winning. :/ |
| 11:00 |
JBoyer |
Not yet, no. |
| 11:01 |
JBoyer |
Thinking about just throwing a unique index at it and calling it good. |
| 11:01 |
JBoyer |
(Not ideal, but that can gets kicked down the road a bit...) |
| 11:01 |
Bmagic |
That sounds like a workable solution |
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Bmagic |
two rows are created by the checkin action? |
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Bmagic |
double scan? |
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JBoyer |
Yeah, every field is identical except the time which is within a half second or so. Double scans are the most likely cause. |
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Bmagic |
hmm |
| 11:10 |
Bmagic |
JBoyer: What happens when there are unfinished rows when it's checked in? Both receive the timestamp when received? |
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Bmagic |
Is there wisdom in the cash report (administration -> local administration) to respect the patron's home OU instead of looking at the cash drawer OU? It's causing report discrepancies. |
| 11:39 |
terran |
I believe the cash report is solely based on the cash drawer ou - at least, that's the only thing that would make sense to us, since PINES patrons can pay at any library. |
| 11:40 |
miker |
Bmagic: that UI is meant to reconcile the cash drawers with what was (reportedly) accepted at the workstation org. it doesn't have much relation to any particular patrons |
| 11:40 |
Bmagic |
that is in contrast to what I am seeing |
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Bmagic |
sub ou_user_payments |
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Bmagic |
money.pm |
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Bmagic |
the SQL excerpt "AND au.home_ou = $lib" |
| 11:42 |
miker |
that au is not the patron, it's the accepting staff member |
| 11:42 |
Bmagic |
ah, then I suppose we have the wrong OU set for them |
| 11:43 |
miker |
aye. there's not workstation on forgive/work/goods/credit (not credit card) payments -- they don't go into a cash drawer, they're just "blamed" on a staff user |
| 11:44 |
miker |
s/not/no/ |
| 11:45 |
JBoyer |
Bmagic, I missed your Q earlier, but when there are 2 transits open only one gets closed. The reason I'm looking into this today is that staff have noticed items on their transit list (the thing under Local Admin) where the item status is available. |
| 11:46 |
Bmagic |
miker: money.bnm_desk_payment has cash_drawer which is tied to workstation, but that column isn't in the money.bnm_payment_view |
| 11:46 |
miker |
that's correct, because a desk payment is a specialization of a brick-n-mortar payment |
| 11:47 |
miker |
specifically, a desk payment mean "money of some sort changed hands at a workstation" |
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Bmagic |
which is WHERE the money was deposited |
| 11:48 |
Bmagic |
the workstation seems more reliable than the staff home ou |
| 11:48 |
miker |
correct. forgive/credit/goods/credit (again, not credit card) are not money |
| 11:48 |
miker |
er forgive/work/goods/credit |
| 11:49 |
Bmagic |
it's the credit card case that makes it impossible to use money.bnm_desk_payment ? |
| 11:49 |
miker |
incorrect |
| 11:50 |
miker |
money.credit_CARD_payment is under bnm_desk_payment |
| 11:50 |
miker |
credit != credit_card |
| 11:50 |
Bmagic |
ah, gotcha |
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Bmagic |
money.credit_payment contains forgive_payment |
| 11:52 |
Bmagic |
nevermind, there is another table for that |
| 11:52 |
miker |
credit comes from negative balance on the patron |
| 11:53 |
miker |
no money changed hands, so we "blame" the staff. there's nothing in the cash drawer to reconcile |
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* miker |
has to run |
| 11:54 |
Bmagic |
thanks! |
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Bmagic |
lata |
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terran |
JBoyer: That's the behavior we've seen too. |
| 12:16 |
JBoyer |
I must away, but I'm sure I'll be back on the case of the phantom transits next week. Seems like a unique index would be a good idea in addition to trying to "de-bounce" the incoming checkins. |
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miker |
EOB meeting in T-5min |
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miker |
and starting now! |
| 14:03 |
miker |
#startmeeting 2018-07-20 - EOB Meeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Fri Jul 20 14:03:05 2018 US/Eastern. The chair is miker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2018_07_20___eob_meeting' |
| 14:03 |
miker |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:03 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 14:03 |
terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 14:03 |
miker |
#info miker is Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#info agoben is Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana |
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collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 14:03 |
scottt |
#info scottt is Scott Thomas, PaILS |
| 14:03 |
jvwoolf |
#info jvwoolf is Jessica Woolford, Bibliomation |
| 14:04 |
miker |
we have a quorum! |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
Jason Boyer may be able to join us soon, but has been called out on a family matter. |
| 14:04 |
terran |
Hope everything is okay. |
| 14:04 |
miker |
as do I |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
yes, all good news, but he's out of the office |
| 14:05 |
miker |
#topic Approval or Correction of Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-06-21-14.09.html |
| 14:05 |
miker |
Any objection/corrections/changes for discussion? |
| 14:06 |
rgagnon |
#info Move to approve June minutes |
| 14:06 |
scottt |
so moved |
| 14:06 |
miker |
#startvote Accept 2018-06-21 meeting minutes? yes, no |
| 14:06 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Accept 2018-06-21 meeting minutes? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
| 14:06 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:06 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:06 |
collum |
#vote Yes |
| 14:06 |
jvwoolf |
#vote yes |
| 14:06 |
rgagnon |
#vote Yes |
| 14:06 |
scottt |
#vote Yes |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
#vote Yes |
| 14:06 |
miker |
#endvote |
| 14:06 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Accept 2018-06-21 meeting minutes?" Results are |
| 14:06 |
pinesol_green |
yes (7): scottt, jvwoolf, miker, rgagnon, collum, terran, agoben |
| 14:06 |
miker |
we're like a well oiled machine |
| 14:07 |
miker |
On to officer reports |
| 14:07 |
miker |
#topic Chair report |
| 14:07 |
miker |
#info Nothing to report here that we won't discuss in more detail later |
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| 14:07 |
miker |
thus... |
| 14:07 |
miker |
#topic Financial report |
| 14:08 |
miker |
we have some updates at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2018_07_20 |
| 14:08 |
miker |
gmcharlt detailed them in an email earlier today |
| 14:09 |
miker |
#info we believe there are outstanding 2018 expenses still to reconcile |
| 14:09 |
miker |
which brings us to #topic SFC updates |
| 14:10 |
miker |
er |
| 14:10 |
miker |
#topic SFC updates |
| 14:10 |
miker |
alas, we don't have an Amy in channel |
| 14:10 |
jvwoolf |
I can poke her |
| 14:10 |
miker |
can I get a ... heh |
| 14:11 |
miker |
jvwoolf: thank you. if she could just email the EOB with any (or, confirmation of no) info regarding the conference reconciliation, it would be much appreciated |
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miker |
or(!) afterl, do you have any info on 2018 conference reconciliation with SFC? |
| 14:11 |
afterl |
No, miker, I'm sorry - I don't. |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
I will try to get a response from the SFC ASAP. |
| 14:12 |
miker |
no worries, and thank you! |
| 14:12 |
miker |
any other general SFC communication in the last month? |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
No - I'm working with them |
| 14:13 |
scottt |
I emailed them about 2019 conference registration. No response yet. |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
On .. |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
some loose ends from the 2018 conference |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
Just reached out to them again |
| 14:14 |
miker |
afterl: thanks. of import, I think, is that the expenses that have been paid have not made it to the final ledger |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
noted |
| 14:14 |
miker |
so it looks like we have $160k+ in the bank. I'm certain we don't |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
If I can follow up with them on any of these outstanding issues, just let me know |
| 14:15 |
miker |
it should be more like ~$70k-$80k |
| 14:15 |
afterl |
Okay. Yes, that's important |
| 14:15 |
miker |
perfect, thanks |
| 14:15 |
miker |
anything else for Amy re SFC? |
| 14:16 |
afterl |
No, just looks like I need to continue to poke |
| 14:16 |
miker |
ok, moving on to... |
| 14:16 |
miker |
afterl: aye, and thanks for continued poking |
| 14:16 |
miker |
now |
| 14:16 |
miker |
#topic Release manager (Bill Erickson) |
| 14:16 |
miker |
berick: anything you want to update EOB on? date changes, etc, pleas for beatings? |
| 14:17 |
miker |
(beating bushes for tuits, in particular) |
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| 14:18 |
miker |
I'll consider that a "no" and move us along to: |
| 14:18 |
miker |
Committees! |
| 14:18 |
miker |
#topic 2019 Conference committee (Scott Thomas) |
| 14:18 |
miker |
scottt: the floor is yours |
| 14:19 |
scottt |
Here it is: Timeline has been finalized. Working on logo and financial projections. Save the Date email just went out. |
| 14:20 |
miker |
scottt: does the committee need any resources, info, or decisions from the EOB at large, or are we good? |
| 14:20 |
scottt |
We are good |
| 14:20 |
miker |
good :) |
| 14:20 |
terran_ |
scottt++ |
| 14:20 |
miker |
questions (or more karma) for scottt? |
| 14:20 |
agoben |
scottt++ |
| 14:20 |
miker |
scottt++ |
| 14:20 |
collum |
scottt++ |
| 14:21 |
jvwoolf |
scottt++ |
| 14:21 |
rgagnon |
scottt++ |
| 14:21 |
scottt |
Thank you. |
| 14:21 |
miker |
our next committee is: |
| 14:21 |
miker |
#topic Outreach committee (Kathy Lussier) |
| 14:22 |
miker |
however, we're missing Kathy ATM. do any other Outreach committee members have updates/info/needs to bring to the EOB? |
| 14:22 |
rgagnon |
We had a good program at the ALA annual conference, about 20 attendees. |
| 14:22 |
terran_ |
Great! How many were current Evergreen users versus not? |
| 14:22 |
rgagnon |
The subject was options for running an open source system. |
| 14:23 |
miker |
rgagnon: primarily EG users, or a good number of new faces? |
| 14:23 |
rgagnon |
Some of both, since it was not geared exclusively to Evergreen, though all the presenters were from EG systems, we had more general open source attendees. |
| 14:24 |
miker |
that's good news |
| 14:24 |
miker |
is it something we should look at repeating at ALA-MW next ALA-A? |
| 14:25 |
rgagnon |
I think we are not scheduling for Midwinter, but will definitely plan a program for Annual in June. |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
miker: as one of the panelists, I'm glad we had a presence at ALA |
| 14:26 |
miker |
#info we should plan to repeat the "Options for running an Open Source system" (or similar) panel/program at the next ALA Annual |
| 14:27 |
miker |
any other outreach updates? |
| 14:27 |
miker |
hearing none, it's on to Old Business |
| 14:27 |
miker |
#topic Update on nonprofit status |
| 14:27 |
miker |
First, we have an EIN! So there's that. |
| 14:27 |
miker |
we can not pay taxes correctly now. :) |
| 14:28 |
terran_ |
miker++ |
| 14:28 |
scottt |
miker++ |
| 14:28 |
rgagnon |
miker++ |
| 14:28 |
collum |
miker++ |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
miker ++ |
| 14:28 |
jvwoolf |
miker++ |
| 14:28 |
miker |
donna_bacon++ |
| 14:28 |
miker |
(and thanks) |
| 14:29 |
miker |
Second, the MOBIUS lawyers have roughed out our Form 1023. Scott has started working on the narrative elements, but I've been buried for the last, well, couple weeks and I know he had an issues sending to the SFC-hosted EOB list (evergreen sfconservancy.org) due to a typo of mine. That is resolved, so we'll want to collaborate there to complete the form for submission to the IRS. |
| 14:29 |
scottt |
I just sent an email out about this before the meeting. Need some help with the narrative |
| 14:29 |
miker |
Please, as you have time, take a look at the Form, raise any concerns and make any suggestions you have. |
| 14:30 |
miker |
scottt: are you find with continuing to coordinate and compile the form until we're ready to submit? |
| 14:30 |
scottt |
Sure |
| 14:30 |
miker |
thanks |
| 14:31 |
miker |
#info scottt will continue to coordinate and compile our Form 1023 until it is ready to submit to IRS |
| 14:31 |
miker |
#info collaboration to occur on the evergreensfconservancy.org list. If anyone is /not/ receiving email there, please let me know ASAP |
| 14:32 |
miker |
scottt: any other updates re: non-profit? those are all of mine |
| 14:32 |
scottt |
I think we have it covered. |
| 14:32 |
miker |
(for the actual non-profit formation and exception) |
| 14:32 |
miker |
great, which brings us to: |
| 14:32 |
miker |
#topic Search for an Evergreen lawyer |
| 14:33 |
miker |
I did a preliminary scan looking for lawyers that were versed in Open Source software and non-profits ... I did not find any immediate (good) matches, but I will find some that have one or the other and then provide a list to the EOB by next meeting, unless someone else would like to take a crack at it(?) |
| 14:34 |
miker |
Does anyone have interest in jumping in on this REALLY FUN PROJECT? |
| 14:35 |
scottt |
I'm glad I volunteered to do the 1023 |
| 14:35 |
miker |
scottt: ha! :) |
| 14:35 |
miker |
ok, I will broaden my search and report back with and OR'd list |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
miker++ |
| 14:36 |
miker |
#info miker will broaden the lawyer search to be an OR rather than AND on OSS and non-profit, report back to the board before next meeting |
| 14:36 |
terran_ |
miker++ |
| 14:36 |
jvwoolf |
miker++ |
| 14:36 |
rgagnon |
miker++ |
| 14:36 |
scottt |
miker++ |
| 14:36 |
miker |
which brings us nearly to the end, with: |
| 14:36 |
miker |
#topic New Business |
| 14:37 |
miker |
does anyone have New Business they would like to raise? |
| 14:38 |
miker |
going once... |
| 14:38 |
miker |
ok, then, with that I'll go ahead and adjorn, releasing you all back into the wild. |
| 14:39 |
miker |
thank you all for your time! see you next month! (and on the sfc list for Form 1023 collaboration!) |
| 14:39 |
collum |
miker++ |
| 14:39 |
miker |
#endmeeting |
| 14:39 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Fri Jul 20 14:39:15 2018 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:39 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-07-20-14.03.html |
| 14:39 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-07-20-14.03.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-07-20-14.03.log.html |
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terran_ |
Ciao! |
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jvwoolf |
miker++ |
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agoben |
Thank you all! |
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agoben |
miker++ |
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rgagnon |
miker++ |
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terran_ |
miker++ |
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kmlussier |
miker: Sorry that I wasn't around for an Outreach update! It took me longer than I expected to get back to a computer after a morning meeting. |
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* kmlussier |
grumbles something about road work scheduled for mid-afternoon so as not to interfered with rush hour traffic. |
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miker |
kmlussier: no worries :) ... Ron and Amy had you covered |
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kmlussier |
mdriscoll++ Dyrcona++ # Yesterday's investigations on bug 1781480! |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1781480 in Evergreen "Activity metric data isn't always retrieved as expected for searches" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1781480 |
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miker |
kmlussier: indeed! I still don't see a reason for that, but it's def about location groups |
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kmlussier |
miker: It certainly would explain why I haven't seen it happening when I have tested it in the Indiana and Sitka catalogs. As far as I can tell, they aren't using copy location groups. Or, rather, I can't see any in their library selectors. |
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