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News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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Dyrcona |
So, on my Overdrive Ebook API woes: I'm getting a 404 looking up our test library using the URL and ID that Overdrive told me to use for testing. |
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* gmcharlt |
tosses 1756110 out there as an easy pull request to review that affects a number of places in the web staff client |
| 11:11 |
gmcharlt |
*bug 1756110 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1756110 in Evergreen 2.12 "egBasicComboBox drop-down not working" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756110 |
| 11:16 |
kmlussier |
Ooh! I saw that problem with the template selector in the labels interface. I was going to file a bug, but I must have gotten lost in other things that day. |
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Bmagic |
dbwells++ # thanks for the patch |
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dbwells |
Bmagic: no problem, I am interested to hear if it works for you. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] LP#1755917: Fix Acq Admin menu order - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adf98e5> |
| 11:25 |
Bmagic |
the issue that I was having was with templates |
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dbwells |
I was able to load a folder with 5,893 items, but I can also imagine hitting some other problem if there are 10s of thousands of reports in a folder. |
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dbwells |
Bmagic: ok, it just dawned on me what you meant. I was testing with outputs since the problem was the same, but we have many more outputs than we have templates. The fix will be essentially the same. I will push another commit. |
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dbwells |
Well, at least I think the problem is the same. |
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dbwells |
Bmagic: okay, pushed up the same fix, but this time for templates and reports. These interfaces still function as expected for me, but I don't have enough data in these types to really push the envelope. |
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Bmagic |
dbwells++ |
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Bmagic |
debwells: that totally worked |
| 12:38 |
Bmagic |
dbwells: that totally worked |
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Bmagic |
:) |
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Bmagic |
dbwells++ # super friggin sweet |
| 12:52 |
dbwells |
cool :) |
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dbwells |
Bmagic: do you want to open an LP ticket, or shall I? |
| 12:54 |
Bmagic |
dbwells: sure, I had to modify your patch to fit on top of 2.12.7 and I don't have an example to work with over a newer install of EG, so it might have been corrected with the code base from newer versions of stock |
| 12:55 |
Bmagic |
The line $flesh->{offset} = $offset if $offset; didn't exist in 2.12.7 |
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dbwells |
Ah, I think that is the pagination added for 3.0. |
| 12:57 |
Bmagic |
that sounds right |
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dbwells |
I was testing on 3.0 where "All" is still broken, but I suppose the need there is dimished since you can now page through things in most cases. |
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Bmagic |
dbwells: bug 1756142 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1756142 in Evergreen "Failure to display large report schedule/template folders" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756142 |
| 13:18 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic dbwells If that's what I think it is, we are seeing that in 2.12. |
| 13:19 |
Dyrcona |
I haven't figured it out enough to even open a bug. |
| 13:19 |
Bmagic |
oh good! Glad it's not just me |
| 13:19 |
Dyrcona |
We ended up splitting one of the template folders up. |
| 13:20 |
Bmagic |
dbwells has the patch already but I was going to let him post it to the bug. http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/dbwells/stream_reporter_retreive_by_folder |
| 13:20 |
Dyrcona |
I asked about it in IRC some months ago and at the time, I thought it was just us. |
| 13:20 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I'll give that patch a go. |
| 13:21 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
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jeffdavis |
Bmagic: does open-ils.reporter.folder_data.retrieve itself time out, or does it just take longer than the gateway timeout? |
| 13:23 |
Dyrcona |
What was really weird about it is it didn't happen on training, but in production and on a test vm. |
| 13:23 |
Bmagic |
a full trace http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/597 |
| 13:23 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: I tried messing with the gateway and other timeouts to no avail. |
| 13:23 |
Bmagic |
jeffdavis ^^ |
| 13:24 |
jeffdavis |
Thanks. Looks similar to bug 1754164 which has been puzzling me. |
| 13:24 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1754164 in Evergreen "Gateway timeout on retrieving many shelving locations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1754164 |
| 13:25 |
Bmagic |
jeffdavis: I bet a similar solution would apply to the shelving location code |
| 13:27 |
jeffdavis |
I hope so! I'll give it a try. |
| 13:28 |
Bmagic |
One of my theories was the time stamps being different. The line that reports how many it pulled: |
| 13:28 |
Bmagic |
[2018-03-12 14:07:24] open-ils.reporter [INFO:130291:CStoreEditor.pm:139:IDNUMBER] editor[0|1] open-ils.reporter-store.direct.reporter.template.search.atomic: returned 250 result(s) |
| 13:28 |
Bmagic |
contains a timestamp with a 4 hour difference |
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Dyrcona |
Bmagic: That's UTC versus current time zone. Some parts of the system do that since a number of the timezone fixes went in. |
| 13:33 |
Dyrcona |
I think it's mainly cosmetic. |
| 13:34 |
Dyrcona |
It could be a bug in this case, just the same. |
| 13:34 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: yeah, I agree, it was just a thought and a stretch to explain how in the world a 4 second delay is greater than the 60 second default timeout |
| 13:35 |
dbwells |
jeffdavis: Yes, at least in this case it isn't a real timeout. The message is just so large it can't get through, then the gateway times out waiting for it even though the reporter service thinks it already sent it. I feel like that sort of issue is supposed to mitigated, but maybe I am thinking of a different layer. |
| 13:35 |
dbwells |
In any case, the mitigation, if it exists, isn't working :) |
| 13:35 |
Dyrcona |
I thought the default timeout was 6 seconds, and I'm not saying the time offset isn't a problem. It's not the first place I would look, however. |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
dbwells: Interesting thing, though, is I never saw ejabberd dropping messages because they were too large. |
| 13:36 |
Bmagic |
I was basing it upon this http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=blob;f=src/gateway/osrf_json_gateway.c;h=a015e53844adac3a05bbe1c1d17a09762e7eaab3;hb=2bc1ff76ded6967ebc4a7e469d93ee4f614d736e |
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pinesol_green |
Bmagic: [opensrf|Galen Charlton] update ChangeLog for 2.5.2 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=2bc1ff7> |
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Bmagic |
on line 170 |
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berick |
i though Bmagic encountered a jabber error message along w/ all fo this too. |
| 13:37 |
dbwells |
jeffdavis: hmmm, actually looking at your bug now, the fact that upping the timeout fixes it for you might mean you have a different issue. |
| 13:37 |
berick |
as dbwells said, it's def not a "timeout" |
| 13:37 |
berick |
more like a delivery failure |
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Bmagic |
berick: I did but I think it was related to something else. I couldn't make it happen again |
| 13:37 |
berick |
Bmagic: ah, good to know |
| 13:39 |
dbwells |
At any rate, streaming is a helpful thing to do with large responses, and it fixes the reporter cases, at least :) |
| 13:40 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Looking through my comments on our local ticket, it looks like the exact same thing here. |
| 13:41 |
jeffdavis |
streaming seems to fix the copy location issue too, at least on my test server |
| 13:41 |
dbwells |
good deal! |
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Dyrcona |
Well, 'bout to find out if dbwells' patch fixes the issue with reports folders for me. |
| 13:47 |
dbwells |
Dyrcona: 2.12 version, if helpful to you: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/dbwells/stream_reporter_retrievals_2_12 |
| 13:47 |
Dyrcona |
Thanks, but I think I resolved the conflict OK. |
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* Dyrcona |
compares, just to make sure. |
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dbwells |
It was small. |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
yeah, I did the same thing around line 124. |
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Dyrcona |
dbwells++ |
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Dyrcona |
Bandwidth out from central site is so constrained right now that this is painful to test. |
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tspindler |
EOB will start in 5 Minutes |
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Dyrcona |
That, and botching the patch doesn't help: Method [open-ils.reporter.folder.visible.retrieve] not found for OpenILS::Application::Reporter |
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tspindler |
#startmeeting 2018-03-15 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting |
| 13:59 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Mar 15 13:59:35 2018 US/Eastern. The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 13:59 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2018_03_15___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting' |
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tspindler |
#topic roll call |
| 13:59 |
tspindler |
Use the #info command stating name and affiliation |
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tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, CW MARS |
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terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES |
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rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana |
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collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
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sherbertbc |
#info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, BCLC/Sitka |
| 14:00 |
ScottThomas |
#info ScottThomas is Scott Thomas, PaILS |
| 14:00 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
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hbrennan |
#info hbrennan is Holly Brennan, Homer Public Library Alaska |
| 14:01 |
tspindler |
#info Agenda |
| 14:01 |
tspindler |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2018-03-15 |
| 14:01 |
tspindler |
#info minutes of February 15, 2018 |
| 14:01 |
tspindler |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-02-15-14.02.html |
| 14:01 |
tspindler |
Any corrections/cchanges? |
| 14:02 |
rgagnon |
Move to approve minutes of 2/15 |
| 14:02 |
rfrasur |
second |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#info rgagnon moved to approve the minutes of 2/15 with second by rfrasur |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#startvote Accept minutes of 2-15-18? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Accept minutes of 2-15-18? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:02 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:03 |
collum |
#vote Yes |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
#vote Yes |
| 14:03 |
hbrennan |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
rgagnon |
#vote Yes |
| 14:03 |
rfrasur |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
ScottThomas |
#vote Yes |
| 14:03 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:03 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
#endvote |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Accept minutes of 2-15-18?" Results are |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (8): tspindler, rfrasur, rgagnon, collum, ScottThomas, terran, hbrennan, sherbertbc |
| 14:03 |
tspindler |
#topic Report of the Chair |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
#info I will report this here since I didn't have an item on the agenda but congrations to Scott Thomas and PaILS who will be hosting the 2019 conference in Valley Forge |
| 14:04 |
terran |
Yay! |
| 14:04 |
ScottThomas |
Thank you. We are all very excited. |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
I don't have anything else from the chair |
| 14:05 |
terran |
ScottThomas++ |
| 14:05 |
collum |
ScottThomas++ |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
ScottThomas++ |
| 14:05 |
rfrasur |
ScottThomas++ |
| 14:05 |
rgagnon |
ScottThomas++ |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
#topic Financial report |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2018_01_18 |
| 14:05 |
rfrasur |
Just think...PA NOT in the midst of winter (thanks ALA) |
| 14:05 |
ScottThomas |
April is usually safe. |
| 14:06 |
tspindler |
I don't think anything has changed with the financials unless gmcharlt has anything to add |
| 14:06 |
tspindler |
#topic SFC Updates (Amy Terlaga) |
| 14:06 |
afterl |
#info SFC Update: The SFC will soon be purchasing conference insurance for this year. The cost of this insurance will paid by any SFC Project that has a conference this year. |
| 14:06 |
afterl |
#info The total cost is $2,000. The Evergreen Project will split the cost with as many as three other projects. |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
Thanks Amy |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
Anything else to report? |
| 14:07 |
afterl |
No, that's it for today. |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
Any questions? |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
#topic Release Manager Update (Dan Wells - dbwells) |
| 14:08 |
dbwells |
Good afternoon, all. |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
Beta cutoff was March 2, here again is the record of what was included: |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
https://launchpad.net/evergreen/+milestone/3.1-beta |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
And here are the issues targeted at RC: |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
https://launchpad.net/evergreen/+milestone/3.1-rc |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
I'd hope to see some of that cleaned up, but no obvious blockers in my mind, particularly not anything I would see as a regression. |
| 14:09 |
dbwells |
RC cutoff is planned for next Wednesday, 3/21. |
| 14:10 |
dbwells |
Release cutoff is still set for 3/28, with actual release happening as soon after that as things can be built, final testing, etc. |
| 14:10 |
dbwells |
Ideally by 3/30. |
| 14:10 |
dbwells |
Any questions? |
| 14:10 |
hbrennan |
None here. Thanks dbwells++ |
| 14:10 |
terran |
dbwells++ |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
#info For inclusion in beta 3.1 https://launchpad.net/evergreen/+milestone/3.1-beta |
| 14:10 |
rgagnon |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
ScottThomas |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
collum |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
rfrasur |
dbwells++ |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
#info for RC targets https://launchpad.net/evergreen/+milestone/3.1-rc |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
#topic 2018 Conference Committee Report (Amy Terlaga) |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
#info Conference Update: Registrations have come in nicely and we are close to our budgeted goal of 150 attendees. With exhibitors, we have surpassed it. |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
#info Karen Sandler of the SFC has been a great help in providing payment at the various online supplies stores (tote bags, lanyards, etc.). |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
#info Terran McCanna is furiously working on the conference program. Maegan Bragg of MOBIUS is working out the food and A/V options with the venue. |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
#info I've contacted all exhibitors, making sure they have their info packets. We are in good shape! |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
Any questions for afterl? |
| 14:13 |
terran |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
collum |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
rgagnon |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
ScottThomas |
afterl++ |
| 14:13 |
hbrennan |
Thanks, Amy! afterl++ |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
Thanks for the thanks, all! |
| 14:14 |
tspindler |
#topic Outreach Committee (Kathy Lussier) |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2018-March/002025.html |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
I don't have anything to add to my report, but I'm happy to take any questions. |
| 14:15 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:15 |
rgagnon |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:16 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:16 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:16 |
collum |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:16 |
ScottThomas |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:16 |
tspindler |
#topic Old Business |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
I don't think we have any old business but we have a few new items. |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
#topic New Business |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
#info Election update |
| 14:18 |
tspindler |
#info We have 6 nominations for 3 open positions |
| 14:18 |
tspindler |
#info I think we have more then 70 people registered to vote |
| 14:19 |
tspindler |
#info nominations and voter registration closes on March 20 |
| 14:20 |
tspindler |
I think it is rfrasur, sherbert and myself will be ending our terms this year |
| 14:20 |
* rfrasur |
will be |
| 14:20 |
tspindler |
questions? |
| 14:21 |
terran |
You've all done excellent work, especially with the SFC to MOBIUS transition. |
| 14:21 |
tspindler |
Thanks and thats the next topic |
| 14:21 |
tspindler |
#info SFC to MOBIUS transition |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
Nice transition! |
| 14:21 |
hbrennan |
:) |
| 14:22 |
tspindler |
#info The Evergreen formation agreement has been signed by all on the board and sent to MOBIUS |
| 14:22 |
tspindler |
#info We need to think about legal representation in the long run |
| 14:22 |
tspindler |
Any thoughts or discussion? |
| 14:23 |
rfrasur |
I think identifying some representation possibilities is the next major order of business. |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
The legal representation at a minimum would review agreements between the new form Evergreen Non-profit and MOBIUS |
| 14:23 |
rgagnon |
Are there any geographical constraints? |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
Evergreen will be incorporating in Missouri |
| 14:24 |
ScottThomas |
I personally don't think so. MOBIUS attorney will be handling our incorporation which is the only state-specific thing I can think of |
| 14:24 |
ScottThomas |
After that I can't think of any constraints. |
| 14:24 |
tspindler |
The other thing to think about is that once incorporated, the board will no longer be able to hold official meetings in IRC |
| 14:25 |
hbrennan |
I still don't really understand that part |
| 14:25 |
* miker |
appears... |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
tspindler: when does the arrangement with the SFC formally end? Has that been established yet? We would need to notify them so that transition plans on their end could be made. |
| 14:25 |
terran |
I missed that before - why is IRC not ppossible? |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
after, we don't have a date but I think we need to look soon after the conference |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
It has to do with everyone being able to comment as they want... |
| 14:27 |
afterl |
tspindler: okay, keep me posted. |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
terran: legally we have to be able to have synchronous conversations, my understanding is that IRC does not legally count as synchronous |
| 14:27 |
terran |
oy vey |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
afterl: Donna Bacon has provided a timeline, I'll forward that |
| 14:27 |
afterl |
tspindler: Thank you! |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
If it's anything like Massachusetts law, there is something about being able to hear each other's voices. |
| 14:28 |
rhamby |
generally, and legally, irc is considered synchronous, though email is not |
| 14:28 |
tspindler |
Does anyone have attorneys they work with that we should think about retaining? I know we have ones in Massachusetts with NOBLE, CW MARS and MassLNC |
| 14:28 |
ScottThomas |
Regardless of the legal ramifications, I think the IRC issue needs to be talked about. I have issues with the venue and have heard it voiced by other community members as well. |
| 14:29 |
tspindler |
rhamby: thanks, the attorneys said we could not do that so I'm assuming their opinion is that it is not |
| 14:30 |
miker |
tspindler: that may be a Mass thing, because in GA, the bylaws can specify any syncronous method of communication (email's out, but irc is fine) |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
ScottThomas, I think we would have to use conferencing software |
| 14:30 |
miker |
so, a thing to ask a Missouri lawyer (as their rules would bind us) |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
miker: it must be a missouri thing also, the MOBIUS attorneys said the same thing |
| 14:30 |
hbrennan |
I would like to push the IRC issue further before we give it up. Changing meeting communications to phone for me will be disruptive |
| 14:30 |
ScottThomas |
PaILS has no relationships with an attorney (not sure if that is good or bad) so I cannot recommend one. |
| 14:31 |
terran |
PINES uses the state's attorneys so I cannot recommend anyone either. |
| 14:31 |
miker |
EOLI has an attorney (obv), and would recommend |
| 14:31 |
miker |
I'll confirm they have a partner in Missouri |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
EI also uses the state's attorneys |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
#action Miker will check with EOLI attorney |
| 14:32 |
miker |
nation-wide firm, works in most states |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
Thanks miker, that sounds like a good start |
| 14:33 |
tspindler |
Any other thoughts or comments on this process? |
| 14:34 |
tspindler |
Any other new items to discuss? |
| 14:34 |
terran |
Can someone refresh my memory as to who is responsible for creating the Evergreen Annual Report? Does the EOB or Outreach Committee do that? |
| 14:35 |
hbrennan |
I gave my info for report to rfrasur |
| 14:35 |
tspindler |
My understanding is the Outreach Committee has been doing that. They asked me to write an intro |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
Rogan and Kathy and I (vaguely) have been doing it. |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
As part of the outreach committee. |
| 14:35 |
terran |
rfrasur++ rhamby++ kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
Anything else? |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
totally rhamby++ and kmlussier++ and hbrennan++ |
| 14:36 |
rgagnon |
rfrasur++ rhamby++ kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
ScottThomas |
rfrasur++ rhamby++ kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
rfrasur++ rhamby++ kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
Is there a motion to adjourn? |
| 14:37 |
ScottThomas |
So moved |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
#ScottThomas moved to adjourn |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
#endmeeting |
| 14:38 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 14:38:00 2018 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:38 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-03-15-13.59.html |
| 14:38 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-03-15-13.59.txt |
| 14:38 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2018/evergreen.2018-03-15-13.59.log.html |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
miker |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
collum |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
rgagnon |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
ScottThomas |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
terran |
tspindler++ |
| 14:38 |
sherbertbc |
tspindler++ |
| 14:39 |
phasefx |
my two cents: cultures can change, but I think it would be a step in the wrong direction if we moved our meetings, official or otherwise, away from the Internet. For example, I wouldn't have been able to share this opinion in a timely manner had you guys been talking over the phone. Speaking of culture.. just lost a few :) so much for timely |
| 14:39 |
hbrennan |
phasefx++ |
| 14:39 |
berick |
heh |
| 14:40 |
phasefx |
open source roots are here |
| 14:40 |
terran |
I agree. |
| 14:40 |
hbrennan |
And I can't have an hour long conference call in my open office... |
| 14:40 |
berick |
as a lurker, i would not be calling in either. |
| 14:41 |
rhamby |
I suspect this may be a matter of limited understanding of technology, it would not be the first time in the modern age |
| 14:41 |
hbrennan |
rhamby: Agreed. They might not understand how it works |
| 14:41 |
hbrennan |
We can talk over each other here better than on a phone |
| 14:41 |
phasefx |
different dynamics |
| 14:41 |
terran |
Any other venue will present additional obstacles for both attending live and reviewing what happened. |
| 14:42 |
hbrennan |
"Oh, no, you go. So-" "Oh, sorry." "Bla-" "What?" |
| 14:42 |
terran |
Not to mention bad phone connections and errors in note taking. |
| 14:42 |
berick |
yes, logs! |
| 14:42 |
dbs |
+1 to concern about new 501(c)(3) removing transparency offered by IRC meetings :/ |
| 14:43 |
dbs |
Links also work better in IRC than via voice :) |
| 14:43 |
terran |
I think it's something we should push back on. There must be legal loopholes. |
| 14:43 |
hbrennan |
#resist |
| 14:43 |
terran |
:D |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
One possibility the attorney's suggested as have "informal" meetings in IRC . We could possibly have 1 or 2 formal meetings like at the hackfest and conference. |
| 14:44 |
terran |
That seems reasonable. |
| 14:44 |
hbrennan |
tspindler: Well only one annual in-person is required, yes? |
| 14:44 |
tspindler |
hbrennan: correct |
| 14:44 |
rhamby |
hbrennan++ |
| 14:44 |
hbrennan |
tspindler: It would be nice to try for two though, in case there isn't a quorum at one |
| 14:44 |
hbrennan |
Not sure what that number is |
| 14:45 |
tspindler |
I think we have simple majority now for a quorum. We will be reviewing by-laws drafted by the attorney soon which will define this. He is going to mimic our governing document in by-laws. |
| 14:46 |
hbrennan |
tspindler: Great. |
| 14:46 |
hbrennan |
Gotta hop away for a bit... |
| 14:46 |
terran |
We should also consider that we could have EOB members from non-North American countries at some point. |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
I just looked it up here - http://www.muridae.com/nporegulation/documents/teleconf_definitions.html#MO - and MO has similar language as MA. But the loophole might be "Unless the articles or bylaws provide otherwise" |
| 14:47 |
hbrennan |
terran: Good point. Being on the "far west" is already sometimes a hurdle |
| 14:47 |
hbrennan |
kmlussier++ Loopholes! |
| 14:47 |
* kmlussier |
also prefers IRC meetings, but encountered the same question when working on our own bylaws. |
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| 14:49 |
terran |
Not only the time zone, but adding other countries might restrict what video/phone conferencing options we'd have. |
| 14:49 |
miker |
yeah, that's how GA works. bylaws can overrule most things |
| 14:51 |
collum |
http://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.aspx?section=355.376&bid=19226&hl= |
| 14:51 |
collum |
1. may be the loophole |
| 14:52 |
terran |
1994! |
| 14:52 |
* dbs |
notes that the requirement for all directors to "simultaneously hear each other" is ableist |
| 14:52 |
rhamby |
yeah the hearing issue is a different matter than synchronicity but loopholes++ |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Yes, I was thinking the same thing. |
| 14:53 |
* kmlussier |
would prefer to see "simultaneously communicate with each other" |
| 14:53 |
terran |
The " Unless the articles or bylaws provide otherwise" sounds like a loophole to me. |
| 14:53 |
rhamby |
Simultaneous hearing would negate any latency in voice, a serious possibility in some cases. So technically we can strap recorders to pigeons.... |
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| 14:58 |
phasefx |
synchronicity is also an illusion ;) |
| 14:58 |
terran |
Watch out, phasefx is getting deep again! |
| 14:58 |
dbs |
@sing Police : Synchronicity II |
| 14:58 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: git diff origin/hamster Fleshing children complete |
| 14:59 |
phasefx |
well, simultaneity, at least |
| 14:59 |
Dyrcona |
"And he sees his family home, now, illumined in his headlights...And a pain upstairs that make his eyeballs ache....." |
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dbs |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
phasefx: The Matrix has you. |
| 15:00 |
* phasefx |
had no doubt :D |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
Actually, think I will play some Police. |
| 15:03 |
berick |
@band add Police Party |
| 15:03 |
pinesol_green |
berick: Band 'Police Party' added to list |
| 15:05 |
rhamby |
dbs: I was just thinking of loading up Synchronicity |
| 15:05 |
Dyrcona |
rhamby: I'm up to Walking in Your Footsteps, track 2. |
| 15:05 |
rhamby |
Dyrcona: I'm just starting it now :) |
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| 15:22 |
miker |
berick: the autogrid is hating me, and I think I must just be doing something wrong. I have an item that's a set nested json objects. using the console, I can inspect it inside the grid cell's scope and see that the item is all there. but a .-seperated path attribute on eg-grid-field is not digging through the objects to get the values stored at the end of the path... |
| 15:22 |
miker |
berick: am I just crazy in thinking that a dot-path should work on hashes like it does on FM object trees? |
| 15:24 |
berick |
thinking.. |
| 15:25 |
berick |
miker: yeah, it should be able to navgate a plain hash. |
| 15:25 |
berick |
*navigate |
| 15:26 |
miker |
ah... wait ... I'm using a template, do I need to say item? |
| 15:26 |
berick |
yes, inline templates need 'item' |
| 15:26 |
miker |
also, duh |
| 15:27 |
miker |
thanks |
| 15:27 |
berick |
;) |
| 15:52 |
StomproJosh |
Hmm, so overdrive is replacing ftp access for grabbing MARC records... with a web page. That is going to be harder to automate. sigh. |
| 15:55 |
rjackson_isl |
StomproJosh NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:55 |
StomproJosh |
rjackson_isl, did you get that email also? |
| 15:56 |
rjackson_isl |
not that I am aware - but that sounds lke a pita |
| 15:56 |
rjackson_isl |
it's bad enough that vandealy doesn't stick around and give a success msg any more when there are lots of records to import |
| 15:57 |
rjackson_isl |
oh well - that's why we make the big bucks her at the state! ;) |
| 15:57 |
rjackson_isl |
have a good day... |
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abowling |
just curious if anyone has encountered this: sip server stops authenticating while the service is running with no evident cause in the logs |
| 17:03 |
abowling |
subsequent authentication attempts go nowhere, but the server seems as if everything is fine |
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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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