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06:30 pinesol_green News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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07:14 JBoyer jeff, I think you're remembering a discussion because I also remember one but I don't remember any bugs about actually doing it.
07:15 JBoyer I found myself saying "Why am I saying this?" as I explained to our most recent library that you can have any username you like, but you have to always remember to enter it the same way every time.
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08:33 jeff JBoyer: heh, it failed the absurdity test. :-)
08:34 JBoyer Very much.
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09:10 Dyrcona csharp: Did you come to any consensus about number of fielder drones to run the other day?
09:11 * Dyrcona should just check logs....
09:17 Dyrcona And, answered my own question by checking my local logs, and seeing that csharp did say "72" as I thought I remembered. :)
09:18 Dyrcona IIRC, we have cstore set to 70, so I think I'll go with something in that area.
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09:19 Dyrcona Might be neat to configure all of my bricks to share routers. Really spread the load, but maybe I'll test that with a couple of vms, first.
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10:26 kipd Is there a relatively simple way to test out small changes to various perlmods without having to do a complete make; make install cycle for all of Evergreen?  For example, I want some additional information printed out with the email in ~/Evergreen-ILS-3.0.2/Open-ILS/src/perlmods​/lib/OpenILS/Application/Circ/HoldNotify.pm  Can I do this just from the Makefile in src/perlmods?
10:37 berick kipd: copy the Perl file into place and restart all (or affected) services
10:37 berick no need to 'make', etc.
10:38 berick on my ubuntu test vm for example they end up in /usr/local/share/perl/5.22.1/
10:39 kipd doh, I was looking in the wrong place.  Thank you!
10:44 Dyrcona kipd: If the file ends in .in, you will need to make it, first. There are very few modules like that, but many of the scripts do.
10:45 * Dyrcona modifies marc_export quite a bit. :)
10:46 Dyrcona BTW, same thing is true of the templates, just copy them into place, but I'd recommend setting up a customization directory for those.
10:47 kipd Learned the hard way on the templates bit, but otherwise good.
11:00 Dyrcona berick: I asked a question on Lp 1744341.
11:00 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1744341 in Evergreen "Long-frozen holds skew hold queue position calculation" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1744341 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick)
11:03 * berick looks
11:04 berick good question, i replied
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11:06 Dyrcona So, you imagine retargeting frozen holds once per day or something like that?
11:09 berick Dyrcona: we retarget once a day (at night) so I was thinking weekly for frozen.
11:10 Dyrcona berick: OK. We retarget twice an hour. I thought it was something along those lines.
11:10 Dyrcona berick++ # I'll be happy to test the changes.
11:11 berick Dyrcona: cool.  i'll have a patch shortly
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11:23 csharp Dyrcona: I set fielder to 72 max_children, but didn't see any further spikes after that
11:24 Dyrcona csharp: Cool. I haven't actually changed anything here, yet.
11:24 Dyrcona I'm looking ahead to 3.0 at this point.
11:25 Dyrcona csharp: What value do you have for cstore's max_children?
11:26 berick I read that as "csharp's max_children"
11:26 Dyrcona heh
11:26 Dyrcona I just want a sens of a ratio between fielder and cstore.
11:27 csharp *my* max_children is set to 2, but our prod servers are set to 128 at the moment (which I think could probably dial down to 72)
11:28 Dyrcona Thanks. :)
11:28 * csharp has a friend about the same age (early/mid 40s) with 7 children  - wondering if that was a config file error
11:28 Dyrcona I'm updating our test server to 3.0.3 and getting a branch ready for 3.0.
11:28 Dyrcona heh.
11:29 Dyrcona There's a family at my daughter's school with 9 kids.
11:31 csharp ok - we just hit bug 1736243 - and from what I can tell, it's another datatype issue (string vs. number)
11:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1736243 in Evergreen "Default SMS Carrier in Web Staff Client does not reflect reality" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736243
11:32 csharp setting not working: DB shows a opac.default_sms_carrier of "48", working shows 48 (no quotes)
11:34 csharp I feel pretty certain that a toString() or toInteger() is needed somewhere, but I'm again lost in the weeds of web client/angular :-/
11:45 Dyrcona I think numbers are suppsoed to be stored in settings without quotes.
11:45 Dyrcona The settings are JSON values.
11:47 berick usually it doesn't matter if they have quotes or not
11:51 csharp I may be drawing the wrong conclusion then :-/
11:51 berick no i mean in other contexts
11:51 csharp oh - ok
11:51 berick csharp: i think your conclusion is probably right
11:51 berick we need a str-to-int or int-to-str in the template somewhere
11:53 berick a la http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ever​green.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a787aebee4​b689a3fd4c5a54357da8db878ec5a#patch1
11:53 pinesol_green berick: [evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1741072: Global String<->Num Directives for ngModel - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3a787ae>
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11:59 * mmorgan just came across an item due in the year 4177 :-(
12:09 kmlussier mmorgan: I guess they don't need to rush back to the library to avoid the overdues.
12:09 berick Time Travel for Dummies
12:09 mmorgan Heh.
12:13 mmorgan Actually, the title was "The wonder weeks : how to  stimulate your baby's mental development and help him turn his 10  predictable, great, fussy, phases into magical leaps forward"
12:13 mmorgan Now that IS a magical leap forward!
12:22 kmlussier I don't think those patrons really need to keep that book for 2000+ years. If the baby's still fussy by then, there's not much they can do about it.
12:23 berick mmorgan++
12:47 terran Ha!
12:48 Dyrcona heh
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12:58 tspindler The EOB meeting will be starting in a couple of minutes.
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13:00 tspindler #startmeeting 2018-01-19 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting
13:00 pinesol_green Meeting started Fri Jan 19 13:00:47 2018 US/Eastern.  The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:00 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:00 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to '2018_01_19___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting'
13:01 tspindler #topic roll call
13:01 tspindler Use the #info command stating name and affiliation
13:01 rgagnon #info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE
13:01 tspindler #info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS
13:01 hbrennan #info hbrennan is Holly Brennan, Homer Public Library, Alaska
13:01 collum #info collum is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library
13:01 terran #info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES
13:01 miker #info miker == Mike Rylander, EOLI
13:02 tspindler i think that is everyone who is on today
13:02 tspindler #info Agenda
13:02 tspindler #link  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2018-01-19
13:02 tspindler #info minutes of December 21, 2017
13:02 tspindler #link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2017/evergreen.2017-12-21-14.02.html
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13:02 tspindler Is there anything to change from last months minutes?
13:03 tspindler Can I have a motion to approve the minutes?
13:03 rgagnon Move to accept December 2017 minutes
13:03 tspindler second?
13:04 miker seconded
13:04 tspindler #info rgagnon motioned to accept December 2017 minutes and seconded by miker
13:04 tspindler #startvote Accept minutes of 12-21-17? Yes, No, Abstain
13:04 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Accept minutes of 12-21-17? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
13:04 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
13:04 rgagnon #vote Yes
13:04 terran #vote Yes
13:04 tspindler #vote Yes
13:04 collum #vote yes
13:05 hbrennan #vote Yes
13:05 tspindler #endvote
13:05 pinesol_green Voted on "Accept minutes of 12-21-17?" Results are
13:05 pinesol_green Yes (5): tspindler, rgagnon, hbrennan, collum, terran
13:05 miker #vote yees
13:05 miker er
13:05 tspindler #topic Report of the Chair
13:06 tspindler I don't have anything new to report.  I'll leave the SFC stuff for later in the agenda.
13:06 tspindler #topic Financial report
13:06 tspindler #link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?i​d=governance:financials:update_2018_01_18
13:06 tspindler gmcharlt posted this earlier
13:06 tspindler Any question or comments?
13:07 tspindler #topic SFC Updates
13:07 tspindler Amy sent a report I'll past it in.
13:07 tspindler #info On January 2nd, we received word from Tony Sebro, SFC legal counsel and conference liaison, that he would be leaving in another two weeks to begin work at Wikimedia.  Before he left, I was able to talk with him and Karen Sandler about conference matters.  The notes from that call can be made available to the Board if interested.  Karen Sandler will be our conference liaison for now while they look for a replacement for
13:07 tspindler 've used Karen a few times already and she has been very helpful and responsive.
13:07 tspindler Any discussion?
13:08 tspindler #topic Release Manager (Dan Wells)
13:08 tspindler #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg​-oversight-board/2018-January/001953.html
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13:09 tspindler dbwells indicated he can't attend but he posted the above link with an update
13:09 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Public Library, Evergreen Indiana
13:09 tspindler Discussion?
13:10 hbrennan rfrasur: Hi! Glad you could make it
13:10 rfrasur hbrennan, hey!  I'm in another meeting, so juggling a little.
13:11 tspindler welcome rfrasur, haven't missed much yet, although we assigned you all the work for 2018
13:12 rfrasur I apologize in advance for the quality of that work.
13:12 tspindler #topic SFC Membership Review
13:13 tspindler Did everyone have a chance to review the options proposed by MOBIUS for transfering assets and the relations to them?
13:13 tspindler Ultimate, they are waiting for a decision from the EOB for the next step.
13:13 hbrennan Yes and I agree with the majority decision I believe (fumbling for the option numbers...)
13:14 hbrennan #1!
13:14 tspindler #info Option 1 -- (1)                  Form a non-profit             entity for Evergreen and apply for tax exemptions;                           (2)                  SFC assigns the             trademark and transfers any and all assets its holds for             Evergreen Project (including the deposit account) to the new             entity;                                      (3)                  SFC transfers th
13:14 tspindler to an account held in the name of Evergreen entity; and                           (4)                  The new entity and             MOBIUS enter into a contract for MOBIUS to perform certain             management services.
13:14 tspindler That didn't paste well.
13:15 rgagnon Yes, #1 looks like the way to go, with the understanding that everything can't be transferred immedately to Evergreeen until we get 501(c)(3) status.  MOBIUS will have to hold in the meantime.
13:15 hbrennan As long as that doesn't stop us from doing things in the limbo process
13:16 terran Agreed.
13:16 collum Also agreed.
13:16 miker hbrennan: what things were you thinking of?
13:16 tspindler I think we can work with MOBIUS on this.  Donna Bacon has indicated this.
13:16 hbrennan Primarily the ability to disburse/collect funds
13:16 miker (and, it doesn't barring something in the contract between EOB and MOBIUS, of course)
13:17 rfrasur To clarify, MOBIUS is a 501(c)3?
13:17 terran Does anyone have a feeling on how long it will take to form the non-profit? Is it feasible to get it done by the time we need to sign the contract for next year's venue?
13:17 tspindler rfrasur: yes
13:18 tspindler terran: 6-12 months
13:18 tspindler erring on the longer side
13:19 tspindler There are a couple of questions: if the EOB doesn't get non-profit status until say March 2019.  Will the SFC hold onto assets or will the transfer the assets understanding we have started the process?
13:19 rfrasur I'm for #1 as well.  It seems that that was the only workable one anyway.
13:20 tspindler Or, do we transfer everyhting to MOBIUS and then MOBIUS has to transfer things to the final Evergreen non-profit.
13:20 rfrasur Can we already transfer them to MOBIUS, into a holding fund, because of their 501(c)3 status?
13:20 tspindler Yes
13:21 tspindler Donna Bacon indicated they would keep all account separate so no funds would ever be mingled with MOBIUS funds
13:21 terran That sounds like a good solution.
13:22 hbrennan With the staff turnover at SFC, it would be nice to just get out of there
13:22 tspindler I think the biggest issue may be if a hotel contract has to be signed in June for the 2019 conference, who signs it.
13:23 tspindler I can negotiate and hammer out these details with MOBIUS if the board wants to move forward with option 1
13:24 hbrennan Yes
13:24 terran Do we need to vote?
13:24 tspindler I would share any agreement details with the board of course
13:24 rgagnon I move that we proceed with Option #1
13:24 tspindler yes i think we need a vote
13:24 terran Second
13:24 tspindler #info rgagnon moved to accept option 1 as proposed by MOBIUS and seconded by terran
13:25 tspindler #startvote The EOB will proceed with Option 1 to create an Evergreen non-profit contracting with MOBIUS for services? Yes, No, Abstain
13:25 pinesol_green Begin voting on: The EOB will proceed with Option 1 to create an Evergreen non-profit contracting with MOBIUS for services? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
13:25 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
13:25 terran #vote Yes
13:25 rfrasur #vote yes
13:25 tspindler #vote Yes
13:25 collum #vote Yes
13:25 rgagnon #vote Yes
13:25 miker #vote yes
13:26 tspindler #endvote
13:26 pinesol_green Voted on "The EOB will proceed with Option 1 to create an Evergreen non-profit contracting with MOBIUS for services?" Results are
13:26 hbrennan #vote yes
13:26 pinesol_green Yes (6): rfrasur, tspindler, miker, rgagnon, collum, terran
13:26 rfrasur Yay!!!
13:26 tspindler sorry hbreenan, i thought i caught everyone
13:26 hbrennan I was fast enough!
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13:26 hbrennan Sorry, it's morning here
13:26 hbrennan :)
13:26 tspindler #topic 2018 Conference Committee Report
13:27 tspindler Here is Amy's report.
13:27 tspindler #info We have received a few more sponsorships (EBSCO, Sitka, Bibliomation), but we have still not reached our goal.  I have been calling vendors and will continue to call.  Debbie Luchenbill's Programs Committee met earlier this week.  We should have the program schedule posted soon, if not by the end of today, then sometime next week.  The keynote speaker has been secured.
13:27 hbrennan I am eager to see the schedule
13:27 tspindler Debbie did secure their first choice for keynote.  I don't know who it is.  They told me at one point but I can't remember.
13:28 tspindler Any discussion?
13:29 tspindler Hopefully, they can pull in some more sponsors.
13:29 terran Yes, we got a few new sponsors this year, but some of the previous sponsors haven't been returning our calls.
13:30 tspindler #topic Outreach Committee (Kathy Lussier)
13:30 tspindler I don't know if kmlussier is around to report anything.
13:30 kmlussier I'm here
13:31 kmlussier Just quiet, for a change. :)
13:31 kmlussier #info The outreach committee has been busy pulling together the 2017 annual report. I just put out a reminder for Evergreen sites to fill out the annual survey.
13:31 kmlussier #link https://goo.gl/forms/1kuRHlWScS85sYwY2
13:31 kmlussier We'll also soon begin contacting individual consortia / libraries that have not yet filled out the survey.
13:31 kmlussier If anyone would like to help with that process, please let me know.
13:31 kmlussier #info Once again, we are planning an Evergreen session at ALA MidWinter
13:32 kmlussier #link https://www.eventscribe.com/2018/ALA-Midwinter/fs​Popup.asp?Mode=presInfo&amp;PresentationID=333551
13:32 kmlussier We'll be sending out press releases and promoting the program starting next week.
13:32 hbrennan I just emailed my Spotlight Library report to Ruth :)
13:32 kmlussier hbrennan++
13:32 kmlussier Finally...
13:32 kmlussier #info As I reported to the oversight-board list, we received first drafts of potential logos to refresh our current logo.
13:32 kmlussier #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg​-oversight-board/2018-January/001946.html
13:32 kmlussier I don't think this decision solely belongs to the Outreach Committee, and I would be interested in hearing if anyone has a different opinion. But I would say we didn't see anything that grabbed our attention enough to warrant switching logos.
13:33 kmlussier That's all I have for my report.
13:33 tspindler kmlussier++
13:33 collum kmlussier++
13:33 miker kmlussier: thanks, and that seems to be the broader consensus, re the logos delivered
13:33 terran Did the outreach committee discuss instead of replacing the logo, adding a secondary one that could be used in a square-ish format?
13:33 rgagnon kmlussier++
13:33 terran kmlussier++
13:34 hbrennan I didn't see anything WOW, WE NEED THAT, but I was impressed by the quantity and can tell the logo designer has skill
13:34 kmlussier terran: You know, I think we were mostly talking about replacing the logo. But, since most of the first drafts were squarish, that's a possibility.
13:34 kmlussier hbrennan: Yes, I think that was the general feeling on the committee.
13:35 rfrasur terran, I think if that's all we want to do, some of those options are good.  If it's a redo of the logo, not so much.
13:35 terran I wouldn't say there is a *need* for a square alternative, but it would be nice sometimes to have the option.
13:35 terran I agree that none are strong enough for a replacement.
13:35 hbrennan I think if a refresh is done, it should be a pair. Headline style and square
13:36 kmlussier We've mostly been using the leaf design, with some background color, as the squarish logo. But it's never been official.
13:36 tspindler I also agree that none seem strong enough to warrant a change
13:37 tspindler Any other questions for kmlussier?
13:38 kmlussier Does anyone want us to go forward with it as a squarish logo option without replacing the main logo?
13:38 tspindler I don't see a need myself
13:38 terran I'd like to, but my heart's not set on it.
13:39 hbrennan I agree with terran
13:41 tspindler When you say the square one, are you talking the standard frond with a square around it?
13:41 kmlussier Well, we could always do a survey with a selection of the draft logos alongside what we're currently using for the squarish option and see if the community gets behind one of the new ones.
13:41 terran There was one of the ones that had a circle that I liked - I think a survey might be nice to gauge further interest
13:41 kmlussier tspindler: Yes, that's typically what we use now when we need a square one. We also use that as a small round one.
13:42 hbrennan I could definitely pick some out of the bunch to be voted on
13:42 kmlussier OK, then, I think we could probably use the outreach list to come up with a shortlist and go from there.
13:42 tspindler I think presenting a few options and surveying might be a good way to move forward
13:42 terran Agreed
13:43 tspindler kmlussier: would you like a vote on this?
13:43 kmlussier tspindler: I don't think a vote's necessary at this point.
13:44 kmlussier Thanks all for your thoughts on the matter!
13:44 tspindler #action kmluss
13:44 tspindler #action outreach committee will survey the community with a few options to see which are preferred
13:45 tspindler I don't think we have any old business so I will skip to new
13:45 tspindler ##topic New Business
13:45 tspindler #topic New Business
13:46 tspindler I don't have any new business my self but does anyone have anything to bring up?
13:46 tspindler #info Next meeting will be in IRC on 2/15/18 2PM EST
13:46 tspindler Do we havea motion to adjourn?
13:47 rgagnon So moved.
13:47 collum second
13:47 tspindler #info rgagnon moved to adjourn with a second from collum
13:47 tspindler #endmeeting
13:47 pinesol_green Meeting ended Fri Jan 19 13:47:39 2018 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
13:47 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-01-19-13.00.html
13:47 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-01-19-13.00.txt
13:47 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2018/evergreen.2018-01-19-13.00.log.html
13:47 tspindler Thanks everyone for adjusting your schedule
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13:47 kmlussier tspindler++
13:47 terran tspindler++
13:48 rgagnon tspindler++
13:48 hbrennan tspindler++
13:49 terran Minutes are posted: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=governance:minutes#minutes
13:49 collum tspindler++
13:49 kmlussier terran++
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14:05 miker berick: you around?
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14:10 miker well, if you show up ... I'm building atop your "more display fields!" branch (rebased to master) and I thought there was a UI for controlling config.display_field_map ... but I'm not finding one. I'm I missing it, or is it just not there yet?
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14:29 phasefx probably minor, but some of tspindler's text got truncated :(  "look for a replacement for"<truncated>"'ve used"
14:31 * kmlussier guesses that it ended with 'look for a replacement for Tony Sebro.' But I don't know how you get that into the meeting logs.
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14:43 berick miker: hm, no, I never created a UI for the map table :(  just talked about it.
14:46 miker berick: ah, ok. thanks. I may create one linked off the cmf.display_field col in the MARC search/facet UI, then ... theoretically, one index def can be pointed at by multiple display fields
14:52 berick miker++
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15:22 jeff phasefx, kmlussier: I think those were two messages from tspindler. The first ending in "replacement for" was truncated (the client tried to send a message that was too long). The second message was either a new message or a failed attempt by tspindler's irc client to split a single long message into two small-enough messages.
15:24 * phasefx nods
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18:30 pinesol_green News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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