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04:31 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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09:55 kmlussier Good morning #evergreen!
09:55 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
09:55 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Guatemala Pandora Pacamara Medium-Light Roast, and sends it sliding down the bar to pastebot
09:56 * berick waves
09:56 kmlussier @tea [someone]
09:56 * pinesol_green brews and pours a pot of English Breakfast, and sends it sliding down the bar to remingtron_ (http://ratetea.com/tea/harn​ey/english-breakfast/3525/)
09:56 kmlussier It feels like a Monday.
09:57 gmcharlt just the special kind of Monday where in three days it's the weekend again!
09:57 mmorgan Three day work week :)
09:57 dbs hrm, webby seems to not be responding to a request to search the catalogue? https://webby.evergreencatalog.​com/eg/staff/cat/catalog/index
09:58 gmcharlt dbs: I'll kick it
09:58 gmcharlt and done
09:59 dbs gmcharlt++
10:00 Dyrcona I worked on Monday.
10:01 dbs gmcharlt: hmm, does that kick have a delayed impact?
10:02 dbs still getting "Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Request failed
10:02 dbs at <anonymous> upup.sw.min.js:sourcemap:1"
10:03 * dbs just wanted to try out conjoined item cataloguing in webby... heh
10:04 gmcharlt hmm, catalog search is working for me
10:05 * dbs will try a different browser
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10:40 dbs wonder if it's because I'm logging in as admin acct
10:40 remingtron_ kmlussier: thanks for the tea, a lovely start to the morning.
10:41 dbs ah, firefox is giving me "uncaught exception: Error: http://google.github.io/lovefield/error_lookup/sr​c/error_lookup.html?c=361&amp;p0=InvalidStateErro​r&amp;p1=A%20mutation%20operation%20was%20attempt​ed%20on%20a%20database%20that%20did%20not%20al"
10:42 dbs lovefield the persistent offline store
10:46 dbs I'm getting white screens below the menus and console errors on webby no matter which browser I use
10:48 Dyrcona dbs: To be clear, this is in cataloging, right?
10:49 berick i do get some scary 'maximum call stack size exceeded' console errors in webby embedded catalog, but so far things are working OK for me.  in chrome.
10:49 bshum dbs: Out of curiosity, what search params are you using?  (I tried webby's web client for catalog search in Firefox and Chrome a few moments ago and everything seemed fine)
10:50 dbs bshum: I can't even get to a search screen
10:51 dbs Tried "Cataloging -> Search the catalog" and "Search -> Search the catalog". Dunno.
10:52 bshum I just retested using a fresh incognito mode on Chrome and that seemed fine.
10:52 bshum I guess it doesn't like you, hmm...
10:53 dbs Seems like it
10:53 dbs bshum: using the "admin" account?
10:53 * berick was testing w/ admin
10:53 bshum dbs: Yep, admin user
10:53 dbs *sigh*
10:54 bshum Registered my workstation at a different spot, just in case too
10:55 dbs ahhh
10:56 Dyrcona dbs: Is your workstation registered at CONS?
10:56 dbs service worker had cached old versions of the files, apparently, and wasn't set up to invalidate & load new versions. had to disable network cache to poke the service worker
10:56 Dyrcona :)
10:57 dbs that's what upup.sw.min.js is - the service worker
10:57 miker dbs: service worker should reload the files every day... UpUp versioning based on tt2 date() :(
10:57 dbs and that's why it was loading a source map. but it looks like its implementation was flawed
10:58 dbs I might have had a very old version of the sw loaded (maybe before versioning was tweaked?), because I hadn't accessed webby for quite some time
10:58 miker that's possible (I'll hope so ;) )
11:00 dbs had not heard of https://www.talater.com/upup/ before
11:02 dbs one guy maintaining upup vs google web team for https://workboxjs.org/ (what sw-precache evolved into) - interesting!
11:05 dbs wth, search the catalog started failing again
11:07 dbs 4 "uncaught (in promise) TypeError: request failed" errors for the upup.sw.min.js service worker
11:07 * dbs moves on to something else
11:15 collum_ dbs: for what it's worth, I can duplicate your lovefield error using Tor.  But I don't know if that narrows it down any.  Opera and Google outside of Tor work fine.
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11:21 Freddy_Enrique Yo Guys! Still in Holiday?
11:22 rlefaive Help? We need to make direct links to our opac records, but our discovery layer insists on putting a ? between the base URL and the dynamic query string… it worked when we coudl use links like /opac/en-CA/skin/default/xm​l/rdetail.xml?r=[RECORD_ID] but those links have been thoroughly deprecated… is there another way to create a direct link using a query string?
11:27 abneiman rlefaive: will this work? https://<server>/eg/opac/record/<record_id>
11:27 rlefaive abneiman: I wish! But they insist on throwing a ‘?’ so it becomes <server>/eg/opac/record/?<record_id>
11:28 abneiman rlefaive: bummer, I was hoping that was just on the search string
11:30 Dyrcona rlefaive: So file a bug with the discovery layer developers. It's obviously broken.
11:30 rlefaive Dyrcona: I agree.
11:30 Dyrcona If it can't handle path_info, it's broken.
11:33 dbwells rlefaive: Dyrcona is right, but in the meantime, unAPI might be able to do the job for you.  Here is an example: http://ulysses.calvin.edu/opac/extras/unap​i?id=tag:open-ils.org,2016-11-01:biblio-re​cord_entry/136446/CALVIN&amp;format=opac   It would be a big "dynamic" chunk, but it might work out.
11:34 rlefaive dbwells: is there documentation on the unAPI?
11:35 yboston rlefaive http://docs.evergreen-ils.​org/dev/_using_unapi.html
11:36 dbwells Actually, that example had an unnecessary date in there.  This should also work: http://ulysses.calvin.edu/opac/extras/​unapi?id=tag:open-ils.org:biblio-recor​d_entry/136446/CALVIN&amp;format=opac
11:36 rlefaive yboston++ dbwells++ thank you!
11:38 dbwells rlefaive: It would essentially be http://{{ YOUR EG SERVER }}/opac/extras/unapi?id=tag:open​-ils.org:biblio-record_entry/{{ RECORD ID }}/{{ ORG UNIT SHORTNAME }}&format=opac   Hope it works out!
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11:43 yboston dbwells: for the record, I use the same EBSCO EDS system as rlefaive, and our syntax is http://catalog.berklee.edu/eg/opac/record/{ILSRecNo}
11:44 yboston dbwells: not sure how we are suppressing the question mark yet in the EBSCO set up
11:46 dbwells yboston: Yes, that is the better URL to use if it works, certainly.  Not sure how it is all configured, but if that is your literal setting, maybe it is a matter of putting the "RecNo" in the base URL, and not using the query string at all?  Just speculation.
11:47 yboston dbwells and rlefaive: I figured out how we fixed it. EBSCO provides two fields for settign up the direct links: “Base URL” & “Query String”
11:48 rlefaive yboston++
11:48 yboston dbwells and rlefaive: I just had to only use the “Base URL”  field and put  http://catalog.berklee.edu/eg/opac/record/{ILSRecNo}
11:48 yboston dbwells and rlefaive: then leave “Query String” blank
11:49 rlefaive dbwells yboston (facepalm) so obvious *now*
11:49 jeff There are very few things obvious about the EbscoAdmin interface, or even EDS in general.
11:49 yboston rlefaive: I feel stupid that it took me so long to figure it out
11:49 yboston jeff++
11:53 yboston BTW, a big ¡HOLA! to everyone here
11:53 Freddy_Enrique Buenos dias :)
11:54 dbwells yboston: Sounds like that confirms my speculation above.  Of course, I had the unfair advantage of having never seen the interface ;)  And good to see you!
11:56 rlefaive dbwells: good call, i had not thought you could put parameters in the base url, but you’re right! Also, thanks all for the unapi tips. :)
11:58 dbwells rlefaive: No problem.  Though it was just a possible workaround this time, unAPI can do quite a lot to pull bits of data out of Evergreen, so perhaps it will be useful in the future :)
12:03 yboston BTW, this reminds me. Is there a way to use a URL to pull EG search results but in XML format isntead of HTML?
12:03 yboston I know I can use, for exmaple, super cat to pass a bib number and get varous fromats. In this case I want to run a search and get XML in return
12:04 dbs yboston: something like opensearch?
12:04 yboston dbs: to be honest I don’t know what opensearch means
12:06 dbs check the <head> section of an evergreen catalog page and it will link to the opensearch description file (XML)
12:07 dbs it provides templates that browsers etc can use to get XML-formatted search results (so an easy way to add your Evergreen instance as a browser search option)
12:07 dbs e.g. https://laurentian.concat.ca/opac/ex​tras/opensearch/1.1/LUSYS/-/osd.xml
12:08 dbs includes URL templates like <Url type="application/rss+xml" template="https://laurentian.concat.ca/opac/extras/opense​arch/1.1/LUSYS/rss2-full/keyword/?searchTerms={searchTerms}&startPage={startPage​?}&startIndex={startIndex?}&count=​{count?}&searchLang={language?}"/>
12:08 dbs or <Url type="application/x-marcxml+xml" template="https://laurentian.concat.ca/opac/extras/opens​earch/1.1/LUSYS/marcxml/keyword/?searchTerms={searchTerms}&startPage={startPage​?}&startIndex={startIndex?}&count=​{count?}&searchLang={language?}"/>
12:08 yboston dbs: very cool. I will look into this
12:08 yboston dbs++
12:08 dbs miker++ # for implementing it >10 years ago :)
12:09 yboston miker++
12:09 * miker reads up ... "What'd I do?"
12:09 dbs hah, in my browser search history I have the example of https://laurentian.concat.ca/opac/e​xtras/opensearch/1.1/LUSYS/marcxml/​keyword/?searchTerms=apache+derby
12:15 miker btw, the opensearch stuff still lets you install any evergreen instance as a "search engine" in chrome ... and maybe firefox?
12:16 csharp miker: yep - firefox too
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12:40 Freddy_Enrique Guys, I configured /openils/var/templates_cus​tom/opac/parts/footer.tt2 with the name of my library, but when I make the translation on the OPAC it doesnt work
12:41 Freddy_Enrique The translation only works with Georgia
12:41 Freddy_Enrique So, how can I make the Opac translation with the name of my library?
12:43 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: You specified the templates_custom directory in your Apache configuration?
12:43 bshum So, translation works by comparing the string values in the template with what's contained in the PO
12:44 bshum So for example
12:44 bshum The string that's in footer.tt2 would be like:
12:44 bshum That thing in [% l('Copyright &copy; 2006-[_1] Georgia Public Library Service, and others', date.format(date.now, '%Y')) %]
12:45 bshum The matching string set in the es-ES.po file would have a msgid of "Copyright &copy; 2006-%1 Georgia Public Library Service, and others"
12:45 Dyrcona And, for legal reasons, you don't really want to change that string.
12:45 bshum with the corresponding msgstr entry
12:45 bshum Also, yes, what Dyrcona said
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12:46 Freddy_Enrique Oh.... I get it now
12:46 Freddy_Enrique So it should be there
12:46 Freddy_Enrique Dyrcona: yes, I edit the apache conf for the custom_template to work
12:46 bshum but anyways, the translation works by taking the literal text of what's contained in the l() --- string to be localized
12:46 Freddy_Enrique furthermore, I been doing some changes to the links
12:47 bshum And comparing that to find an msgid in the file and matching it with the msgstr message
12:47 bshum For the translation
12:47 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: OK. It's a step that's easy to miss.
12:48 bshum So like, if one were to edit the [% l('Link 1') %] in topnav_links.tt2
12:48 bshum You'd be looking to find the msgid "Link 1" in your PO file
12:48 bshum And making it reflect whatever you made it
12:48 Freddy_Enrique Bshum: what you said, I changed all the text and it worked, I was trying to find a way to make the OPAC language do the trick, like the Georgia case
12:49 bshum Like instead of "Link 1" you made it "Your Home Page", then you'd have to change that ID in the PO file, and then make the msgstr your spanish entry.
12:49 Freddy_Enrique BTW, I should only edit those files using vim? Can I use nano for that?
12:49 bshum Or add a new entry for msgid "Your Home Page" with msgstr "spanish"
12:49 bshum I use nano all the time.  :D
12:50 * bshum never learned to vim like the cool kids
12:50 bshum You can use any editor to work on the files in my experience
12:50 Freddy_Enrique If I knew... I was totally lost with vim
12:50 Freddy_Enrique At least thats what the manual told me to use
12:52 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: I like to use GNU Emacs. It can open files from a remote server if you can ssh to it.
12:54 Freddy_Enrique ssh.... putty :)?
12:54 Dyrcona Dunno if it can use putty on Windows, but probably.
12:54 Dyrcona I use Linux on my laptop.
12:55 * Dyrcona doesn't do Windows. :)
12:55 Freddy_Enrique T_T
12:56 Freddy_Enrique Ok, really considering change my main OS
12:56 Freddy_Enrique bshum++
12:57 Freddy_Enrique Dyrcona, in order to make my record appear on the OPAC, I must create an item first right?
12:58 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: Usually, yes.
12:58 Freddy_Enrique I made a clean instalation, I created the org units, created some users (with staff permissions) and then went directly with the records
12:58 Dyrcona Or a located URI, i.e. a URL in a 856 MARC tag with a subfield $9 and a couple of other conditions.
12:58 Freddy_Enrique i could see them in the xul
12:59 Freddy_Enrique but I could not visualize it on the opac
12:59 Freddy_Enrique !
13:00 Dyrcona Right. They show up in the staff client without items.
13:00 Dyrcona You can make them show up in the OPAC by changing the transcendant [sic] setting on the bib source to true.
13:02 Freddy_Enrique I need to configure then. When I used the concerto I did not have that particular case
13:03 Dyrcona Concerto includes copies.
13:03 Dyrcona copies = items
13:03 Freddy_Enrique Yes, its true
13:03 Freddy_Enrique Is that the only condition? Or do I need to do something else?
13:04 Freddy_Enrique because I'm working with my own data now
13:05 Dyrcona You might need to restart services after making the change.
13:05 Freddy_Enrique autogen?
13:05 Dyrcona No, shouldn't have to autogen.
13:05 Freddy_Enrique ok
13:05 Dyrcona osrf_control --restart-services
13:05 Dyrcona I'd make the change and see if it just works, first.
13:06 Dyrcona Best thing, in the long run, is to make the items when you import your own records.
13:07 Freddy_Enrique The import part is gonna be challenging
13:07 Freddy_Enrique Dyrcona++
13:08 Dyrcona There is some documentation.
13:09 Freddy_Enrique yeah... I looked into that. Kind of difficult, but I gonna re read it as many times as necessary.
13:09 Freddy_Enrique Marcedit software can help me with that
13:09 Dyrcona How are you importing your records?
13:10 Freddy_Enrique Well,  I had some experience with migration. But, the final format of my excel records ended with *mrc.
13:10 Dyrcona Assuming that you're coming from an old system, it would be good if you can get it to put the information you need into some non-standard MARC tag during the export.
13:11 Freddy_Enrique here if I'm not mistaken, is marcxml
13:12 Freddy_Enrique uhm.... what if the records are contained in csv? would be much easier?
13:12 Dyrcona Well, I don't know. That depends on what you're starting with.
13:13 Dyrcona Here's one way to do it: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.12/_mig​rating_your_bibliographic_records.html
13:13 Freddy_Enrique I have my records in many formats, just to clarify those doesnt go beyond the 1000
13:14 Dyrcona When I said "records" I meant the MARC records, and not other records.
13:14 Dyrcona I've done a migration or 4, and it depends a lot on what you're starting with and what access you have to the original system.
13:16 Freddy_Enrique Here there are maaany libraries that... have been working with just excel
13:17 Dyrcona So, they've been using Excel to track their patrons, items, and transactions?
13:17 Freddy_Enrique so, system is out of the question. There are just a few public libraries that have a ILS
13:17 Freddy_Enrique Nop, just for registering book records
13:17 Freddy_Enrique about track of patrons and anything else, on paper
13:18 Freddy_Enrique It's a hard reality for libraries here
13:18 Dyrcona Yes.
13:19 Dyrcona Good luck. (You'll need it.) ;)
13:19 Freddy_Enrique marc records then... I have also exported marc record with  *mrk  extension
13:20 Freddy_Enrique mrc and csv
13:20 Freddy_Enrique Thanks Dyrcona, I'll really need it
13:20 Dyrcona mrk is usually a special format called "MARC Breaker" format.
13:21 Dyrcona It is used by MARCEdit, MARC Breaker, and some other programs.
13:21 Freddy_Enrique With this format I can edit the marc records. The mrc is just for importing
13:21 Dyrcona Evergreen wants either standard MARC 21 (usually .mrc) or MARCXML (usually .xml).
13:22 Dyrcona Yes, that's right.
13:22 Freddy_Enrique Then...If I have the mrc file, I have most of the work done?
13:23 Dyrcona Well, if you can get the item information in the mrc file, it would be easier to import item and bibliographic information at once.
13:23 Dyrcona You can do that in the staff client import feature, called Vandelay.
13:24 Dyrcona How are you getting the MARC from the CSV? Are you looking the records up somewhere via ISBN?
13:25 Freddy_Enrique Nop, I use MarkEdit to convert my csv files to mrk files
13:26 Freddy_Enrique when I'm done polishing the marc records, I finally convert it to mrc
13:27 Dyrcona I don't use MARCEdit, so I didn't know it could convert csv to MARC, but I guess it wouldn't be too hard to make a rudimentary record.
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13:29 Freddy_Enrique It is possible, there I can also add a field for the copies/items. In other system, the field is 952
13:29 Freddy_Enrique Is it the same for Evergreen?
13:30 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: You can use 952, yes.
13:30 kmlussier Are we still planning to have a dev meeting today?
13:30 Dyrcona http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.12/_impo​rting_materials_in_the_staff_client.html
13:31 Dyrcona kmlussier: I was going to ask that same question earlier, but got distracted by... Ooh! Shiny!
13:31 Dyrcona :)
13:31 kmlussier Yeah, that's the story of my life. :)
13:31 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: That link above might be helpful.
13:32 Freddy_Enrique thanks Dyrcona :), ill be working on it
13:34 Dyrcona I don't think we have an agenda for this meeting, do we?
13:35 * Dyrcona is inclined to skip the meeting.
13:36 Freddy_Enrique one last questio, how can I quote someone here?
13:36 kmlussier I generally find the day after a major holiday is not a great day to hold a meeting because of vacations. People seem to be around, so I could go either way, but, yeah, not much time to pull together an agenda.
13:37 kmlussier If we cancel, the next question is whether we should reschedule for later in the month or plan our next meeting for August.
13:37 * kmlussier could send out an email to the dev list.
13:38 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: When I want to quote someone in an email or something, I usually copy the URL from the IRC logs for that particular line.
13:38 Freddy_Enrique will you be working tomorrow? I'm sure you are in holiday, or was it yesterday....
13:39 Freddy_Enrique Thnks
13:40 Dyrcona The holiday was yesterday, but many take off the whole week. I'll be here.
13:42 Freddy_Enrique Is it okay for you? either case thanks for all the help Dyrcona
13:57 Dyrcona Freddy_Enrique: You're welcome.
14:04 rjackson_isl Have a site that indicates they are having to go to offline mode due to slowness. In reviewing one of their check out transactions I see a 7 second delay and then a "fluching data from socket..." msg
14:05 rjackson_isl does this ring a bell to anyone? Here is example lines from log: https://pastebin.com/5cu53P6V
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14:06 rjackson_isl s/fluching/flushing :(
14:16 csharp rjackson_isl: I believe that means that the cstore drone timed out waiting for the db to finish whatever it was doing
14:17 rjackson_isl csharp++
14:17 berick 'flushing data from socket' is not necesarily a bad thing.  I would look for other issues in the logs before focusing on that
14:18 berick if there were a cstore timeout, you would see thing like "no response returned from.." or some such -- it would be obvious
14:18 rjackson_isl yeah - I was reviewing the one circ1 account and all related transactions with nothing really obvious showing :(
14:19 csharp I'm just thinking of the 7 second delay - default cstore timeout is 6 seconds
14:19 berick csharp: aha
14:19 csharp "keepalive" rather than timeout to be precise
14:25 rjackson_isl asking site about 3rd party security now to see if we are being blocked perhaps - had an update on the ticket indicating more than just circulation (tech services) impacted now as well.
14:25 gmcharlt tossing out a random documentation note: clicking on the datepicker used in webstaff changes whether you are selecting a day, or a month, or a year
14:25 gmcharlt er, clicking on the *title* element
14:26 berick thanks gmcharlt
14:27 csharp hmm - having an issue on my 2.12 test server: Method [open-ils.circ.copy_note.retrieve.all] not found for OpenILS::Application::Circ - but I can see that that method is indeed in that file :-/
14:28 Dyrcona csharp: Is the IDL OK? Ran autogen?
14:28 berick csharp: perl -c Circ.pm compiles OK?
14:28 Dyrcona I've got more, but I'll wait. :)
14:29 berick ugh, we need to remove HoldNotify.pm -- those warnings are nasty
14:29 berick and it's old and unused (i assume)
14:29 mmorgan rjackson_isl: I have seen those "flushing data from socket..." log entries also, since upgrading to 2.12.
14:30 rjackson_isl mmorgan: most related transactions showd the flushing at the same time as the rest of the log entries showing except for the one and that is why I brought it up
14:30 rjackson_isl it seemed to be a bit slow!
14:33 mmorgan We've encountered those entries when investigating timeouts when searching for isbn as identifier.
14:33 csharp berick: aside from "Unescaped left brace in regex is deprecated, passed through in regex; marked by <-- HERE" it compiles fine
14:33 berick csharp: k, one possible cause down
14:33 csharp (this is on ubuntu 16.04)
14:34 Dyrcona csharp: I'm running 2.12.3 on Ubuntu 16.04 just fine.
14:36 csharp autogen.sh just ran - same issue
14:36 csharp I don't understand why perl wouldn't see the method
14:37 JBoyer csharp, it's almost never that the actual sub is missing, but something tripped the interpreter up along the path to parsing it. Most commonly it can be a compilation issue like what berick had you check for, but when it's not that, ick... :/
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14:38 csharp maybe something with the template is borked
14:42 Dyrcona csharp: What does introspect open-ils.circ "open-ils.circ.copy_note.retrieve.all" in srfsh say?
14:43 kmlussier gmcharlt: Yes, I was making a mental note to myself earlier today that we should document that. I think I'll add it to the web client doc needs page.
14:45 csharp Dyrcona: huh - it shows fine
14:45 csharp Dyrcona: btw, where does the pingest.pl script live these days?
14:46 Dyrcona csharp: https://github.com/Dyrcona/evergreen_utilities
14:46 csharp Dyrcona++ # thanks
14:47 Dyrcona csharp: Try restarting Apache.
14:47 Dyrcona Could be something there has a bad copy of the IDL or something.
14:53 csharp nope - same error
14:53 csharp so weird
14:54 csharp gonna have to leave it alone for the moment though :-/
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16:31 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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17:21 kmlussier @quote random
17:21 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #167: "<berick> the morning sun is shining like one big.. ball of circs" (added by gmcharlt at 01:02 PM, June 01, 2017)
17:21 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] lp1702568 Copy Location fix for Hold Detail View - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ef5f78b>
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