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jeff |
according to Twitter, the |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
2011 Evergreen International Conference |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
is looking for presentation proposal submissions. :-) |
| 12:56 |
bshum |
jeff: I definitely already submitted something for that :) |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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bshum |
With you jeff as a matter of fact ;) |
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jeff |
hah! |
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bshum |
That was the year we did reports :D |
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jeff |
ah yes! |
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jeff |
and i had page after page of terrible code and IDL. |
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jeff |
s/page/slide/ |
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jeff |
s/page/slide/g |
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jonadab |
All code looks terrible several years after you wrote it, though. |
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bshum |
I think we can blame that on the projector though, doing a regular 4x3 instead of 16:10 |
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Dyrcona |
My favorite reaction reading code... "Whose the dummy who wrote this?"... git blame .... "Oh, I'm the dummy." :) |
| 13:08 |
Dyrcona |
Wrong who's... but whatevs. |
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jonadab |
Yes, I have had that reaction even when looking through a codebase for which I am the sole author. |
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jonadab |
@blame old code |
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pinesol_green |
jonadab: old code musta been an Apple employee. |
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kmlussier |
jeff: I've deleted the tweet along with the other tweet with conference planning survey results (same conference). |
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Dyrcona |
@blame old tweet |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: I know it was you, old tweet. You broke Dyrcona's heart. You broke Dyrcona's heart. |
| 13:58 |
bshum |
Haha |
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bshum |
That's a funny blame :) |
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kmlussier |
I'm not sure why it showed up. Usually, it's because of an old post suddenly being re-posted on Planet Evergreen, but I don't see anything there. |
| 14:11 |
* kmlussier |
chuckles at the "Translate from Dutch" link on this tweet - https://twitter.com/EvergreenILS/status/866744111176470528 |
| 14:12 |
kmlussier |
Was it NCIPServer or OpenSRF that triggered the offer of translation services? |
| 14:12 |
jeff |
dunno. i son't see any such offer. |
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jeff |
don't, even. |
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jeff |
but i do see a suggested set of related hashtags, including -- nope, nevermind. they went away. |
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jeff |
ah. it was simply a list of "trending" tags and one ended in eg. |
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* jonadab |
steadfastly refuses to use the Twitter web interface and continues receiving Twitter feeds via Twirssi only. |
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gmcharlt |
evergreen dev meeting in 2 minutes |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Evergreen Develpment Meeting, 7 June 2017 |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Wed Jun 7 15:00:31 2017 US/Eastern. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_develpment_meeting__7_june_2017' |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
#info Agenda is https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2017-06-07 |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Introductions |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
please introduce yourselves... |
| 15:00 |
DPearl |
DPearl = Dan Pearl, C/W MARS Inc. |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
berick |
#info berick Bill Erickson, KCLS |
| 15:01 |
DPearl |
#info DPearl = Dan Pearl, C/W MARS Inc. |
| 15:01 |
dbwells |
#info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 15:01 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, IN State Library |
| 15:01 |
miker |
#info miker = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 15:03 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson C/W MARS |
| 15:03 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Action items from previous meeting |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt sent an email to open-ils-dev requesting feedback on the copy tags / digital bookplates feature |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt sent a note to open-ils-general giving a heads-up on the potential project to replace LP |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
both of which resulted in... not much (or any) feedback :) |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
but JBoyer++ for raising his discovery regarding Angular scoping to open-ils-dev |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
so... there's that |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
on the other hand, in the latter case I suppose it means we can just proceed and ask for feedback once we have something to show, I suppose |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
so, any questions re those updates before I move on? |
| 15:06 |
* phasefx |
has pitchfork and torch if you want something destructive re: launchpad :) |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
so moving on |
| 15:07 |
JBoyer |
I'm working on an OpenSRF bug re: the fork() bug that jeffdavis and I keep running into, but I haven't had time to write it up yet. |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
#topic OpenSRF update |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
so, speaking of that bug, I know berick has been looking at it as well |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
any insight so far? |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
also, request to jeffdavis and/or JBoyer: could one of you go ahead and write up an LP? |
| 15:08 |
gmcharlt |
if it turns out to be an Evergreen bug proper rather than an OpenSRF one, it's easy enough to move it |
| 15:09 |
miker |
this is the fork failure turning listener into drone bug, yes? |
| 15:09 |
JBoyer |
No insight, but I have (had for a couple days...) an LP tab open in my browser for it. |
| 15:09 |
berick |
miker: no, it's not clear if fork() is related. |
| 15:09 |
berick |
just one of a few theories |
| 15:09 |
berick |
we need some logging from affected systems |
| 15:09 |
JBoyer |
miker, no. This is undefined values making it into calls to syswrite. |
| 15:10 |
dbs |
#info dbs = Dan Scott, Laurentian University |
| 15:10 |
miker |
ah, ok, thanks |
| 15:10 |
JBoyer |
(IRC Log search for Server.pm and 307 should pull up a short list of hits) |
| 15:10 |
gmcharlt |
JBoyer: would you accept an action item to pull together a writeup for LP? |
| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
Consider my judo-chop-action-button pressed, |
| 15:11 |
gmcharlt |
whee! |
| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
er, yes. |
| 15:11 |
* berick |
can add a logging patch if that would be helpful |
| 15:11 |
JBoyer |
berick++ |
| 15:11 |
gmcharlt |
#action JBoyer will write up known details of the syswrite-to-oblivion issue for LP |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
so, unless there's more, sounds like that's it for OpenSRF; needless to say, this seems like something that woujdl warrant a 2.5.1 when it gets tracked down |
| 15:12 |
JBoyer |
My primary concern is that I've only ever seen this in production, where logs are already xbox-hueg. |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen update |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
#info Evergreen 2.10.12, 2.11.5, 2.12.2, all security releases, came out on 24 May |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
#link https://evergreen-ils.org/security-releases-evergreen-2-10-12-evergreen-2-11-5-and-evergreen-2-12-2/ |
| 15:14 |
gmcharlt |
#info Evergreen 3.0 keeps chugging along; flurry of bugfix work going on at the moemnt |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
any other updates regarding the releases? |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
if not... moving on |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Feedback regarding the feedback fest |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
#info First feedback fest concluded on 5/19 |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
#info Results at https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-3-0-development-update-6-feedback-fest-results/ |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
so, my questions to folks: |
| 15:16 |
gmcharlt |
did you find this a useful exercise? |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
are there things we could do to do it better, giving that there's a second one slated to occur in August? |
| 15:17 |
miker |
I found it useful ... I don't have suggestions for improvement ATM |
| 15:18 |
berick |
ditto |
| 15:18 |
JBoyer |
Same |
| 15:19 |
miker |
or, not any that we collectively have time for (build a tool! :) ) |
| 15:19 |
phasefx |
I found it useful; I liked you just throwing stuff my way. Maybe we could benefit from a bug dispenser to make random suggestions :) I know one community that did with getting folks to judge works during a competition where you couldn't possibly look at everything |
| 15:20 |
gmcharlt |
phasefx: interesting - do you recall details of that / have a link? |
| 15:20 |
* gmcharlt |
also notes that one of the features of the Koha dashboard is a link to a random bug |
| 15:21 |
phasefx |
gmcharlt: it was Interactive Fiction community, a piece of software had a list of all the contestants, and a would-be judge would pull a lever and get a handful to look at |
| 15:22 |
JBoyer |
@oprah bugs |
| 15:22 |
pinesol_green |
JBoyer: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=6&url=evergreen-ils.org |
| 15:22 |
* gmcharlt |
blinks |
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gmcharlt |
MOVING ON... :) |
| 15:22 |
gmcharlt |
thanks for the feedback folks |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Update on project to investigate alternatives to Launchapd and Gitolite |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:2017_new_tools |
| 15:23 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: how are your experiments with gitlab coming along? |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
dbs: did you mention another possible translation management tool recently? if so, what was it? |
| 15:24 |
dbs |
weblate |
| 15:24 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I can confirm that after you make a configuration change, gitlab will accept pushes of the Evergreen repo. |
| 15:24 |
dbs |
I'll add it to the wiki page and organize a new "translation tools" section |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
dbs++ |
| 15:25 |
Dyrcona |
I've not had much time to experiment, but we appear to lose some of the fine-grained control over repositories, so we may need to revisit how we manage branches at the moment. |
| 15:28 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 15:29 |
gmcharlt |
are we at a point where it would make sense to stand up a VM on the community's server, put gitlab there, and open up for more testing? |
| 15:30 |
miker |
I don't see a reason not to mirror our current git setup over to gitlab, if that can be done |
| 15:31 |
gmcharlt |
indeed |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
It's more like reflected in a pond than mirrored. |
| 15:31 |
miker |
:) |
| 15:32 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 15:32 |
gmcharlt |
I won't set a formal action item just now (unless somebody is raring to go), but something to keep in mind over the next few weeks |
| 15:32 |
gmcharlt |
any other discussion on tool replacement? |
| 15:33 |
gmcharlt |
moving on |
| 15:33 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Proposal to create a development dashboard |
| 15:33 |
gmcharlt |
#link https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-3-0-development-update-8/ |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
#info Koha dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
so, any thoughts about whether it would be useful to pursue this, and if so, what we want want displayed in a dashboard? |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
Should it wait until we've decided on a bug tracker? |
| 15:37 |
* berick |
was going to say that |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
If we're planning to ditch Lp, that is. |
| 15:37 |
berick |
i like the idea of dashboard, though |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I like the idea, too. |
| 15:37 |
dbs |
Yep, like a friendly front end to a bug tracker |
| 15:38 |
gmcharlt |
yeah, writting an interface to a bug tracker twice seems inefficient :) |
| 15:38 |
phasefx |
and i like the idea of snapshots exposed as periodic blog posts/newsletters |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
thanks for the feedback |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
any other topics to discuss or bug feedback before we close the meeting? |
| 15:42 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 15:42 |
gmcharlt |
thanks, everybody! |
| 15:42 |
gmcharlt |
#endmettings |
| 15:42 |
gmcharlt |
er |
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gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 15:42:35 2017 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-06-07-15.00.html |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-06-07-15.00.txt |
| 15:42 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-06-07-15.00.log.html |
| 15:42 |
miker |
gmcharlt++ |
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phasefx |
gmcharlt++ |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
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JBoyer |
gmcharlt++ |
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DPearl |
gmcharlt++ |
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dbwells |
gmcharlt++ |
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* csharp |
shows up HEY GUYZ WAS THERE SOME KIND OF MEETING? |
| 15:43 |
csharp |
sorry I missed it :-/ |
| 15:43 |
JBoyer |
YUP, YOU VOLUNTOLD FOR A BUNCH OF NEAT STUFF. |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
:-) |
| 15:44 |
phasefx |
csharp: need a random bug dispenser for pinesol :) |
| 15:44 |
* berick |
was mostly distracted from meeting, will reread notes |
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News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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