| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 05:00 |
pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
| 07:11 |
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| 08:23 |
kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen! Happy National Doughnut Day! |
| 08:23 |
kmlussier |
@dessert 36 all of the Evergreeners |
| 08:23 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs some Boston Cream doughnuts for all of the Evergreeners |
| 08:26 |
rjackson_isl |
agoben++ for bringing doughnuts in to office today on this glorious holiday ;) |
| 08:29 |
kmlussier |
Nice! agoben++ |
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| 08:46 |
jeff |
@decide donut or doughnut |
| 08:46 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: That's a tough one... |
| 08:46 |
jeff |
indeed. |
| 08:47 |
mmorgan |
jeff: One of each! |
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| 09:07 |
JBoyer |
I know not if 'tis donut or doughknot, but even as I do trot I know it best that I do naught. |
| 09:09 |
kmlussier |
JBoyer++ |
| 09:21 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 09:21 |
Dyrcona |
Speaking of doughnut... |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
When I got breakfast at the local donut shop, they said it was national doughknot day and offered up a freebie. :) |
| 09:25 |
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| 09:26 |
Dyrcona |
I took a bavarian cream. :) |
| 09:31 |
JBoyer |
Truly, the king of donuts. Icing filled are pretenders to the throne. |
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| 09:38 |
dbs_mozilla |
Happy date picker news! https://twitter.com/hsinyi71/status/870436875214782464 |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
hah! dbs++ |
| 09:46 |
kmlussier |
Finally! |
| 10:00 |
csharp |
both Dunkin Donuts (with a drink) and Krispy Kreme (no purchase required) give you one free today |
| 10:03 |
berick |
dbs++ |
| 10:04 |
berick |
better than national donut day |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 10:07 |
Dyrcona |
Oy! Good NVME drives start at $2,000! |
| 10:07 |
Dyrcona |
I guess that's outside my current budget. :( |
| 10:08 |
Dyrcona |
Just picking up a motherboard/chassis that can support them starts at $9,600. |
| 10:08 |
csharp |
@decide new car or new computer |
| 10:08 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: go with new computer |
| 10:09 |
Dyrcona |
True dat! |
| 10:10 |
Dyrcona |
I got to $30,000 without adding the NVME drives. My budget is around $25,000. |
| 10:10 |
Dyrcona |
"Dude, you're NOT getting that Dell." ;) |
| 10:10 |
kmlussier |
Better than national donut day? berick, that may be a bit of a stretch. ;) |
| 10:11 |
kmlussier |
The only thing that would be better than national donut day is national ice cream day. |
| 10:13 |
berick |
kmlussier: better yet, 'milky bun' day https://www.foodbeast.com/news/a-milky-bun-is-what-happens-when-a-warm-donut-is-stuffed-with-cool-ice-cream/ |
| 10:13 |
kmlussier |
Oh my! |
| 10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, and that price is so far with an alleged $15,000 off. |
| 10:14 |
mmorgan |
@decide ice cream or doughnut |
| 10:14 |
pinesol_green |
mmorgan: go with doughnut |
| 10:14 |
berick |
kmlussier: i trust you'll find space in the EG budget to have those at the conference. |
| 10:14 |
mmorgan |
Hmm, I would have gone the other way. |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
So much for dreams of ZFS on NVME and blazing performance.... |
| 10:15 |
kmlussier |
I don't think I'll let my kids know that milky buns exist. |
| 10:15 |
berick |
heh |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 10:15 |
jeff |
"better than notional donut day" |
| 10:23 |
csharp |
gplay music's "Jazz for Working" station is just the ticket this morning |
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| 10:24 |
csharp |
@band add National Donut Day |
| 10:24 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Band 'National Donut Day' added to list |
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| 11:54 |
berick |
why am i not surprised outlook.office.com uses 800M+ RAM for one Chrome tab. |
| 11:57 |
berick |
webby hovering between 150 and 200 for me. similar to gmail. |
| 11:57 |
JBoyer |
The charitable explanation is that they try to cache up a bunch of messages to make things zippy. The un-charitable explanation is that it takes a lot of JS to re-implement the Win32 API. |
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| 12:14 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Should I be worried? "ComCat Community – we will be updating the ComCat software" |
| 12:17 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, I assumed because of the way some of those announcements have gone out that all customers get updated at or around the same time. If that's not the case I don't think you should have more trouble than usual so long as you get Dancer in line before your 2.12 upgrade. |
| 12:18 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: OK. When I read that, I had a "flashback" to you saying some upgrade on the Autographics side caused issues, but I guess that must have been a dream. :) |
| 12:20 |
JBoyer |
I think we both upgraded (and we added a lot of new libraries) around the same time, so I didn't know the Dancer problem was the root of it for a while. (They also had issues where they weren't sending LookupUser requests correctly for some libs, but that was something else) |
| 12:23 |
jeff |
oh, we had fun with a recent "maintenance" which presumably involved an upgrade. |
| 12:23 |
jeff |
you might be remembering that. :-) |
| 12:23 |
jeff |
(with regard to NCIP) |
| 12:25 |
jeff |
undisclosed and undocumented changes -- at least, they seem undocumented because the current "implementer profiles" are behind a subscription now |
| 12:25 |
JBoyer |
I do remember some talk about duplicate messages. |
| 12:26 |
JBoyer |
Fortunately we're using a different vendor, not that anyone's NCIP usage is what I'd call enjoyable to work with. |
| 12:37 |
dbs |
rebased bug 1681095 to keep it fresh |
| 12:37 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1681095 in Evergreen "Extend browser cache-busting support for all stylesheets, JavaScript, and images in default public catalogue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1681095 |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
I missed it earlier, but another, less expensive, Dell model has NVMe. |
| 13:32 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm.. Mixed Use, Read Intensive, or Write Intensive SSDs for an Evergreen DB server? |
| 13:37 |
JBoyer |
How much RAM? |
| 13:38 |
JBoyer |
(i.e. how much reading will they be doing) |
| 13:41 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: I'd like to get 768GB of RAM, but I may have to drop back to 521GB. |
| 13:42 |
JBoyer |
I'd probably aim for Mixed use in that case. |
| 13:42 |
Dyrcona |
The current DB server shows 504GB with 500GB used: 484GB in cache, 96MB in buffers, 4.7GB free. |
| 13:43 |
Dyrcona |
That's partly why I want to get 768GB.... We're getting close to using it all. |
| 13:43 |
Dyrcona |
Also, 84MB of swap used, but I don't worry about such a low number. :) |
| 13:43 |
Dyrcona |
JBoywer: Thanks! |
| 13:43 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer, even. :) |
| 13:44 |
Dyrcona |
Well, guess I'll do my fourth or fifth code installation on my test vm this week, and I haven't even really started testing it. |
| 13:44 |
Dyrcona |
Looks like that won't happen until next week. |
| 13:45 |
* Dyrcona |
is getting tired of looking at server specs and selecting options. |
| 13:45 |
JBoyer |
Though when I've seen that in the past it was just a controller setting that could be changed whenever, are there really different disks for these types? (I've not dealt with NVMe yet) |
| 13:45 |
Dyrcona |
Well, this is for regular SATA SSDs. |
| 13:46 |
Dyrcona |
Intel S series, mainly. |
| 13:46 |
Dyrcona |
S35xx S36xx and S37xx. |
| 13:46 |
JBoyer |
Huh. I didn't realize they tuned them that way. |
| 13:46 |
* JBoyer |
is still a spinning rust dinosaur. |
| 13:46 |
Dyrcona |
Apparently, they do. |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
The NVMe SSDs and Flash don't mention being tuned. |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
They are expensive, too. "Cheap" ones start around $2,200. |
| 13:50 |
Dyrcona |
Guess I don't have to do the web browser steps again if none of that changed... |
| 13:51 |
Dyrcona |
Think I'll just start with make install see what happens. It should call configure again if it has to. |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
Well, the new file got installed properly, so looks like all is well. |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
or good. |
| 13:57 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona++ |
| 13:58 |
Dyrcona |
Did anyone else get an email from HackerEarth to participate in some hackathon? |
| 13:59 |
JBoyer |
I guess the rest of us just have to click on the pi symbol on Mozart's Ghost like it's the 90's. |
| 14:00 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it looked legit, and I was just curious if anyone else got it, i.e. why did I get one? |
| 14:02 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: We had a ticket about the download history just this morning, so I'll use that patron to test. |
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| 14:11 |
abneiman |
JBoyer++ # investigations :) |
| 14:12 |
dbs |
JBoyer++ |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
I say, JBoyer++ |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 14:14 |
JBoyer |
I like to learn things. :) |
| 14:14 |
dbs |
(I'll be totally honest, I really don't want to immerse myself in AngularJS weirdness given Angular 4 has been stable since March) |
| 14:14 |
dbs |
so thank you and major karma to everyone who is! |
| 14:16 |
berick |
JBoyer: ugh, didn't realize ng-if did that. thought it was just nested controllers. |
| 14:17 |
csharp |
JBoyer++ |
| 14:17 |
JBoyer |
berick, I got the impression that it might not always have acted that way, I'm not sure now. |
| 14:19 |
Dyrcona |
Bleh..... |
| 14:19 |
JBoyer |
That's why I called it a "semi-official" best practice too, references to this and other things are spread around on a github wiki, youtube, and prettymuch everywhere except the actual docs themselves. (there's an oblique reference to using "." in model names with a link OUT of the docs to the wiki...) |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
JBoyer++ |
| 14:19 |
Dyrcona |
Trying to find a decent article about the difference between Angular and AngularJS, and so far, it's all a lot of gibberish. |
| 14:20 |
Dyrcona |
Most of it apparently written by non-native speakers of English. |
| 14:21 |
Dyrcona |
Or did they just drop the JS when they upped the framework version? |
| 14:22 |
Dyrcona |
This is why I hate web development.... Always, always the framework du jour. |
| 14:22 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, I can't say for certain but I think I've gotten the impression it was just a branding change from X.Y to W.Z. |
| 14:22 |
JBoyer |
My research done, my week has finally ended. Time to grab another donut on my way out the door. |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
"License number X1WZ" |
| 14:23 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: they majorly revised the framework from AngularJS (1.x) to Angular (2.x and up) |
| 14:23 |
dbs |
pretty much a complete rewrite |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
OK. Thanks. I was gleaning that from all the mumbo jumbo. |
| 14:24 |
dbs |
angularjs.org vs angular.io |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
I think every just assumed you knew that already. |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
s/(every)/\1one/ |
| 14:24 |
dbs |
(doesn't help that they vacillated on the renaming a few times!) |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
Uh-huh....Web framework du jour.... :) |
| 14:25 |
gmcharlt |
du heure, surely? |
| 14:25 |
gmcharlt |
;) |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
Ben... oui! De l'heure.... |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
Du moment.... |
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dbwells |
JBoyer++ # he earned that donut |
| 15:06 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
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| 15:20 |
Freddy_Enrique |
Hi world |
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| 15:22 |
kmlussier |
Freddy_Enrique: Hello! |
| 15:23 |
Freddy_Enrique |
Trump is making news these days |
| 15:23 |
Freddy_Enrique |
In my country, news normally put in the cover local stuff |
| 15:24 |
Freddy_Enrique |
Now he is being mentioned a lot |
| 15:29 |
jonadab |
A major politician making the news, what will they think of next? |
| 15:30 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, we try not to talk politics too much in here because we like things to be peaceful. :) |
| 15:32 |
Freddy_Enrique |
You are right, politics is normally the first one in the list when it comes to death battle. Sorry guys |
| 15:32 |
jonadab |
I don't mind discussing abstract political theory, from an historical perspective, but yeah, I don't want to argue current political hot topics. |
| 15:35 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, politics and the doughnuts vs. ice cream question. They all have that death battle potential. |
| 15:35 |
Freddy_Enrique |
doughnuts vs ice cream what the ..... jajajaja |
| 15:36 |
hbrennan |
I'm setting up patron self password reset, and don't really see a reason to require both barcode ID and username to get an email for the reset (since they are one in the same for 99% of our patrons) |
| 15:37 |
kmlussier |
I was ready to start fighting pinesol_green today when it picked doughnuts. |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
hbrennan: it's an either/or thing, not both. the default templates are very unclear there. |
| 15:37 |
hbrennan |
jeff: Oh, ok |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
hbrennan: we tweaked ours heavily, but i think we then made those obsolete. |
| 15:37 |
hbrennan |
Can I remove the chunk in request-form.tt2 about username? |
| 15:38 |
hbrennan |
jeff: This is inspired after your Protecting Patron Privacy session! |
| 15:38 |
hbrennan |
Or, I guess I could just change the language to say enter one or the other |
| 15:38 |
jonadab |
kmlussier: donuts _and_ ice cream, that one's easy. |
| 15:39 |
jonadab |
With hot fudge sauce. |
| 15:39 |
bshum |
And some sprinkles |
| 15:39 |
bshum |
Don't forget the sprinkles |
| 15:40 |
hbrennan |
*sigh* Must be late afternoon on the East Coast... :) |
| 15:40 |
jeff |
hbrennan: should be safe to remove the username input, yes. if that doesn't work for some reason i'd fall back to setting it to type="hidden" |
| 15:40 |
kmlussier |
hbrennan: We've been talking about doughnuts all day today. It doesn't need to be late afternoon. :) |
| 15:40 |
hbrennan |
kmlussier: Ha |
| 15:40 |
jonadab |
hbrennan: mid-to-late, but it's late in the week. |
| 15:40 |
hbrennan |
kmlussier: Glad I missed most of it, as I still have 2 hours until lunch |
| 15:41 |
Freddy_Enrique |
You guys...must really love donuts |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
jonadab: hbrennan isn't THAT far West... :-) |
| 15:41 |
kmlussier |
It's National Doughnut Day! |
| 15:41 |
Freddy_Enrique |
really? |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
That's what they said when they gave me a free donut this morning. |
| 15:42 |
kmlussier |
Freddy_Enrique: Yes, it's a real thing and it's today. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Doughnut_Day |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
Offer not valid in Canada, alas. |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
OTOH, on our provincial election day last month there was a local donut shop giving free donuts to people who voted... |
| 15:47 |
Freddy_Enrique |
hey! good for you. No donuts here :( |
| 15:50 |
jvwoolf |
Hey, is there any interest in a secondary message for the catalog, like an additional maintenance message in a different color? |
| 15:52 |
jvwoolf |
We had a need for one in our catalog and I just added it. Just trying to gauge if that would be something useful to contribute to the community. |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
jvwoolf: What is the purpose of this secondary message and why a different color? |
| 15:54 |
jvwoolf |
Our state delivery service is shutting down for a little while over the summer. Our libraries wanted an easy way to let the patrons know. |
| 15:55 |
jvwoolf |
(We're also doing some stuff with holds but that's a different story...) |
| 15:55 |
Dyrcona |
I see. We use the normal maintenance notice for our own, and don't usually put up a notice about other service down times. |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
I think it could be useful, just the same. |
| 15:56 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona: Thanks for the feedback. :) |
| 16:37 |
berick |
aww, concerto has a patron street address "Cheerful Animal Valley" |
| 16:37 |
berick |
so much better than "Spotty Chemical Stravenue" |
| 17:00 |
pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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csharp |
@band add Cheerful Animal Valley |
| 17:08 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Band 'Cheerful Animal Valley' added to list |
| 17:08 |
csharp |
berick++ |
| 18:12 |
Dyrcona |
@ana Cheerful Animal Valley |
| 18:12 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Carefully halve menial |
| 18:12 |
Dyrcona |
@ana Spotty Chemical Stravenue |
| 18:12 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Violent, scratchy amputees |
| 18:12 |
Dyrcona |
Well.... |
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hbrennan |
@band add Violent Scratchy Amputees |
| 20:06 |
pinesol_green |
hbrennan: Band 'Violent Scratchy Amputees' added to list |
| 20:21 |
jonadab |
I don't even want to know what genre of music that would be. |
| 20:26 |
hbrennan |
jonadab: It's gotta be grunge or heavy metal |
| 20:29 |
hbrennan |
jonadab: Or a bluegrass band with a sense of humor |
| 21:13 |
gmcharlt_ |
https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-3-0-development-update-8/ |
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