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04:32 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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07:47 kmlussier I don't work much with permissions, but I suspect the Staff level having a lower depth shouldn't be the cause of Jennifer Walz's problem.
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08:37 jeff you know it's an interesting ticket when you resort to using Alice and Bob.
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09:08 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] Change all docs filenames to .adoc - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2ed1a8b>
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09:40 kmlussier For bug 1685974, is this a case where the action trigger opt-in settings could be used?
09:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1685974 in Evergreen "In-app messages are not configurable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685974
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09:58 mmorgan1 kmlussier: re 1685974, my impression was that the message center message is applied as part of the same trigger as the text or email notification. If they were separate triggers, the message center one could be opt in.
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10:01 kmlussier mmorgan1: Ah, ok. I didn't see that they were the same trigger.
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10:02 kmlussier It's probably a good reason to configure separate triggers, then, until a more elegant solution presents itself.
10:27 berick i thinkg the .adoc changes broke our README/INSTALL symlinks
10:28 berick you wouldn't like autoreconf when it gets angry
10:28 * berick pushes a working branch
10:29 Dyrcona The extension isn't technically necessary, anyway.
10:35 berick pushed a fix to bug #1682447
10:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1682447 in Evergreen "Docs: Change all docs filenames to end with .adoc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682447
10:36 * jeff looks
10:36 berick just added a note about backporting all the way to 2.11
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10:40 jeff got it.
10:42 berick jeff++
10:42 kmlussier berick++ jeff++
10:43 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1682447 Fix README symlink for server_installation.adoc - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ad823c9>
10:46 jeff remingtron: mentioned it in my comment, but do you know if the "update the docs build script" task mentioned in the description of bug 1682447 has been taken care of?
10:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1682447 in Evergreen "Docs: Change all docs filenames to end with .adoc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682447 - Assigned to Remington Steed (rjs7)
10:48 kmlussier jeff: According to the email remingtron sent out earlier, it's scheduled to happen at 1 p.m. today.
10:48 kmlussier Well, the next build is at 1 p.m. He said that rsoulliere is changing the scripts.
10:48 remingtron jeff: yes, I coordinated with Robert Soulliere, and he already made the change and ran the docs build script manually
10:49 remingtron I'll update the LP about that
10:49 jeff kmlussier: ah! thanks! i missed the email. :-)
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11:01 berick EG conf hotel overcharged me by 1 day.  they refunded it.  just, you know, check your credit cards
11:12 * kmlussier doesn't appear to be receiving Launchpad emails today.
11:14 Dyrcona My last one was at 2:34 am from a project other than Evergreen.
11:14 kmlussier My last bug mail was last night when wsmoak submitted her bug.
11:14 kmlussier I've added a comment to a bug this morning and there are also the comments added to bug 1682447
11:14 Dyrcona That's the last one that I received from Evergreen, yes.
11:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1682447 in Evergreen "Docs: Change all docs filenames to end with .adoc" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682447
11:16 Dyrcona My last notification was at 2:34 am from Anatoli on bug 1380702
11:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1380702 in Canonical System Image "No keyboards shortcuts in QT apps" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380702 - Assigned to Łukasz Zemczak (sil2100)
11:20 Dyrcona Guess we sound like patrons complaining that they only get about 95% of their email notifications. :)
11:24 * Dyrcona dons his asbestos suit and jumps into #launchpad to ask about emails.
11:26 kmlussier Dyrcona++
11:29 Dyrcona I don't expect to get an answer, but we'll see.
11:30 JBoyer Dyrcona, I remember you having strong opinions re: systemd, were you working on systemd service files for Evergreen or trying to get one of the backward compat measures to use an existing startup method?
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11:31 Dyrcona JBoyer: Neither. I'm just trying to use systemd.
11:32 Dyrcona I am looking into moving to a distro that doesn't have systemd, but lack of time...
11:33 jeff JBoyer: i threw together unit files for a test system here. it seemed to do the trick.
11:33 JBoyer I see. There was a bit of a curve, yeah. :/ I've got an opensrf.service and clark-kent.service that work as expected on my laptop if anyone is interested in them.
11:33 jeff and by "seemed to do the trick", i mean "i could reboot the single-VM test instance and end up with a running evergreen instance"
11:34 Dyrcona JBoyer: I am opposed to systemd as it not being the "UNIX way."
11:34 JBoyer If Evergreen is going to continue to prefer Debian based systems then I guess it would be a good idea to get a set of service / unit / whatevs in there.
11:34 Dyrcona I've also had to reboot far more often with systemd than in the past.
11:35 Dyrcona Re Launchpad emails: (11:32:59 AM) cjwatson: Dyrcona: One of our script servers has been down for a firmware upgrade which took a bit longer than expected
11:35 JBoyer Dyrcona, I get that, but unless a lot of effort goes into the RedHat / Fedora / CentOS / ports,
11:35 JBoyer I've got other windmills to tilt at. :)
11:35 Dyrcona JBoyer: RedHat uses systemd. Their employee developed it. ;)
11:36 kmlussier Dyrcona: Thanks! I'll stop worrying about all of the insightful bug comments I'm probably missing at the moment.
11:36 Dyrcona But, that said, I think service files would be a good idea.
11:36 JBoyer Oops. I didn't hear about it until it hit Debian I guess.
11:38 Dyrcona kmlussier: cjwatson says "It's hopefully back now, so we'll see if things catch up soon"
11:38 * kmlussier waits with bated breath
11:39 Dyrcona JBoyer: You know that I'd like to fix a lot of thing about the build system to make it easier to make distro packages and to port Evergreen to other distros/operating systems.
11:39 Dyrcona Like you said, other windmills...
11:45 Dyrcona I just got a bug email from this about an hour ago, so looks like it is catching up.
11:45 Dyrcona heh... "this [morning] about an hour ago"...because I changed my mind what I wanted to say mid sentence. :)
11:46 JBoyer Indeed, and my intention wasn't at all negative. I'll see about putting one together for SIPServer too and maybe putting a branch together. Time to learn how the build system works, heh.
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12:18 dbs jeff++ JBoyer++
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12:30 gmcharlt miker++ # using createdb --template src_eg_database works a treat for standing up a test DB quickly
12:33 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I've been doing that for quite a while. It's a lot faster than doing a pg_restore. :)
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13:14 Dyrcona gmcharlt | rhamby: Any reason not to push Lp 1545115 at this time?
13:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1545115 in Evergreen "config.circ_matrix_matchpoint and config.hold_matrix_matchpoint need a description field" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545115 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson)
13:15 Dyrcona I'm looking at it and all the tests pass, and it just works in the web staff client.
13:15 rhamby Dyrcona: I hadn't tested it in ages but since you and gmcharlt have I have no objection
13:17 Dyrcona It just shows up in the xul client, too. Same dojo interface. :)
13:19 Dyrcona rhamby: It looks good to me. The description shows up in the client and the database and that's all anyone could ask for. :)
13:20 rhamby Dyrcona: well, there's the autofill input from the telepathy API that I'm working on but so far all it does it put in random strings from H.P. Lovecraft short stories.  No idea why.
13:20 Dyrcona Hehe
13:22 * kmlussier feels bad because she suspects she never loaded that code on a Sandbox for sandbergja to test. :(
13:24 Dyrcona I guess since gmcharlt signed off, it's OK to push.
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13:25 rhamby kmlussier: busy people who volunteer for lots of things shouldn't feel bad when the prove occasionally human
13:26 kmlussier rhamby: Yeah, but only occasionally. ;)
13:27 Dyrcona Calling 1034.
13:29 jeff probably should come with a warning about the field contents not being non-normative :-)
13:36 Dyrcona I could have used that field some time ago to differentiate telescopes from cake pans. :)
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Rogan Hamby] LP#1545115: add description field for policy matrix tables - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=16b9983>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1545115: consolidate schema update scripts into one - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=53aacfa>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1545115: add release notes entry - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=539fb4d>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#1545115: Stamping upgrade script for description field in matrix tables - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8e763e3>
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14:04 dbs I'm now running # 1685840 in production. whee!
14:04 dbs err, bug 1685840 that is
14:04 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1685840 in Evergreen "Google Books Preview should not require Dojo or any other framework" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1685840
14:27 kmlussier @coin
14:27 pinesol_green kmlussier: heads
14:30 kmlussier @hate pollen
14:30 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.  kmlussier hates pollen.
14:45 Dyrcona @dessert 22 kmlussier
14:45 * pinesol_green grabs some Key Lime Pie for kmlussier
14:48 * kmlussier might be better off with some Claritin Pie
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15:14 bshum gmcharlt: I'm going to try putting together a branch with all the i18n fixes out there and then running things through POT / PO sync for master.  Right now, master is busted due to a new table that was added to the fieldmapper but is not part of the PO template.
15:15 bshum Well, try running the sync using a Trusty server, so that we don't muck up the XUL stuff.
15:15 gmcharlt bshum: sounds good
15:15 bshum If the branch tests okay, then I'll put it somewhere and just request to get the whole thing merged for master to get us back up to date and working
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15:59 bshum dbs: An i18n question or thought... do we want to run the make install for a specific locale and update the POs in git with the latest id data for things like db.seed?
16:00 bshum Right now, we're not changing the final PO files in git with that data, but I wonder if we should sync that up at some point.
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16:15 dbs bshum: hmm, probably?
16:16 dbs I know, that's not particularly helpful
16:16 bshum dbs: I guess the only reason I'd want to see it included in git is so that we can get towards a clean repo
16:16 bshum Where changes are actually meaningful
16:17 bshum Not just generated file differences
16:17 bshum Though, speaking on that, I still have to go back and figure out what should or shouldn't be added to .gitignore
16:17 bshum At first I thought everything, then I decided maybe nothing, now I'm thinking maybe a few new things
16:18 bshum dbs: Either way, if you don't have a strong preference against it, I'd be inclined to add a commit to my new branch to test adding those into history then.  Thanks :D
16:18 * bshum will keep experimenting
16:27 dbs You are talking about the PO files and not the generated .sql files, etc, right?
16:28 bshum dbs: Correct, the PO files themselves have a bunch of IDs and stuff already in them
16:29 dbs okay, yeah that sounds sane
16:29 bshum And so far, my test with pocommentclean seems to be handling fixing them okay
16:29 dbs yayz
16:30 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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16:48 * mmorgan notices that in Checkout in the xul client, spaces are trimmed from the beginning and end of barcodes, so if a leading or trailing space is entered by mistake, it will be ignored and the checkout will proceed.
16:48 mmorgan I don't see that the same trimming is happening at checkin.
16:49 mmorgan I also don't see that it's happening in the web client checkout function.
16:49 bshum That trimming was a "new feature" awhile back
16:50 mmorgan bshum: Just in checkout? Seems like if it happens there, it should also happen at checkin, and IMO item status.
16:50 kmlussier Hmmmm...how many releases does it take for a 'new feature' to become just a feature? ;)
16:50 kmlussier That was code form DPearl IIRC
16:50 mmorgan kmlussier: Depends on who knows about it ;-)
16:51 kmlussier There is an existing bug for item status. bug 1334689
16:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1334689 in Evergreen "trailing spaces not trimmed from barcode pastes in item status" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334689
16:52 bshum Oh, only since 2013.
16:52 kmlussier I was wrong. It was paxed
16:52 bshum Yup
16:53 Dyrcona Seems to me you'd get more copy and paste in item status, so that bug report makes sense.
16:53 bshum kmlussier: I think Dpearl added it for other areas, like the login for TPAC, right?
16:53 kmlussier There's also bug 1332651
16:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1332651 in Evergreen "Screens are inconsistent when there is a space within the barcode of items or patrons" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1332651
16:53 kmlussier bshum: Yeah, I think you're right.
16:54 bshum Either way, seems like an unmatched feature to me then for web client if it's not there
16:55 mmorgan So there's the issue with trimming leading and trailing spaces, but also stripping them out from within the barcode :-/
16:56 mmorgan And it seems to me that if checkout is trimming leading and trailing spaces, shouldn't checkin do it also?
16:56 bshum That said, I truly enjoyed the one library we had where "space" was an actual validly encoded barcode character.
16:56 bshum I hope they've since finished rebarcoding
16:56 bshum That was many eons ago
16:56 Dyrcona mmorgan: That makes too much sense.
16:56 Dyrcona :)
16:56 mmorgan Sorry!
16:57 kmlussier mmorgan: I think it should be consistent across all barcode entry boxes, whether it be item or patron.
16:57 * mmorgan agrees
16:58 * kmlussier declares that if a feature didn't exist when she started using Evergreen 7 years ago, it shall always be known as a new feature.
16:58 mmorgan :)
16:58 Dyrcona :)
16:58 mmorgan And Evergreen shall always be the "new" system :)
16:58 kmlussier Also, get off my lawn!
16:59 kmlussier mmorgan: Yes!
17:00 kmlussier mmorgan: That is, until you move to your next new system.
17:00 mmorgan Never! :)
17:01 * mmorgan will dream of barcodes with spaces and pay a visit to various spacey lp bugs tomorrow.
17:01 phasefx random aside, I've seen spaces as calculated checkdigits :-/
17:02 phasefx I should quote "digit"
17:02 Dyrcona 32!
17:02 Dyrcona 3M seemed to think that space was a valid replacement for 0 at the beginning of a hexadecimal number.
17:05 kmlussier Have a nice night everyone!
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17:15 jonadab That is terrible.  3M should stick to making Post-It notes.
17:15 * jonadab should probably not be so grumpy.
17:19 Dyrcona heh
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