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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen! |
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rhamby |
... |
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graced |
good morning, kmlussier |
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kmlussier |
graced: I owe you a report, don't I? |
| 07:56 |
graced |
or two |
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graced |
;) |
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rhamby |
I'm going for more coffee before I claim anything in the universe is good.... |
| 07:56 |
kmlussier |
graced: Yeah, I'll be happy when I back down to one report again. |
| 07:56 |
kmlussier |
@coffee rhamby |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Awassa Special, and sends it sliding down the bar to rhamby |
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graced |
kmlussier: I hear you |
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jeff |
mmorgan++ for the comments earlier this month on bug 1427392 |
| 10:07 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1427392 in Evergreen "Can't delete Hard Due Date Values" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1427392 |
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kmlussier |
heh...I think those comments were earlier this month two years ago. |
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mmorgan |
Time flies ;-) |
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* dbs |
is excited because he got to set the copy location call number prefix for someone today who had been manually adding the prefix to the call number, printing the label, and then removing the prefix for a _long_ time |
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mmorgan |
dbs++ # making staff members lives easier |
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mmorgan |
Has anyone added any format-type information to notifications? Trying to figure out the best place to pull that from. |
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jeff |
call number is probably there by default and may not be exactly what you seek. shelving location is often useful in most libraries. |
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jeff |
though that falls down a bit if you have lots of mixed-format shelving locations in your libraries. |
| 12:24 |
mmorgan |
jeff: that latter is often true |
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mmorgan |
We have a statistical category that roughly describes format, but I'm not having luck pulling that in. |
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csharp |
mmorgan: you might ask terran now that she's here :-) |
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csharp |
terran: mmorgan was asking about pulling stat cat into a notification template |
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mmorgan |
:) |
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terran |
I'll have to look at the field mapper, but it's probably doable |
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terran |
I have to do one other thing first... |
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mmorgan |
terran: Thanks, I've been wading through the fieldmapper, but can't quite find my way to the actual value :-/ |
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Dyrcona |
mmorgan: asset.stat_cat_entry_cop_map id="ascecm" |
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Dyrcona |
That'll get you the link from the copy to the stat cat entry. |
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goes back to vm building: start #4 for the day. |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona: Right, found that. I think my problem is looping through the stat cat entries in the template |
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Dyrcona |
mmorgan: That can be tricky. I'm not sure how much you do in action triggers. |
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Dyrcona |
There are ways to apply filters using cstore or other backend calls, but not sure how that works in action triggers. |
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Dyrcona |
Presumably you know the id of the stat cat that you want. |
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mmorgan |
A fair amount, but I always seem to get stuck in the loops |
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mmorgan |
That's easy: 1 |
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csharp |
@weather 30033 |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Decatur, GA :: Clear :: 44F/7C | Wind Chill: 41F/5C | Thursday: Abundant sunshine. High 53F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 34F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 13:30 |
kmlussier |
Hmmm...I sent an e-mail to open-ils-general about 2 1/2 hours ago, but I haven't seen it come through yet. |
| 13:32 |
kmlussier |
It was a response to the thread on FAST subject headings. |
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rhamby |
@weather 30046 |
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pinesol_green |
rhamby: Lawrenceville, GA :: Clear :: 44F/7C | Wind Chill: 41F/5C | Thursday: Mostly sunny. High 53F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 32F. Winds WNW at 5 to 10 mph. | Updated: 40m ago |
| 13:34 |
kmlussier |
@weather |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Clear :: 32F/0C | Wind Chill: 20F/-7C | Thursday: Sun and clouds mixed. Temps nearly steady in the low to mid 30s. Winds WNW at 10 to 20 mph. Thursday Night: Some clouds this evening will give way to mainly clear skies overnight. Low 19F. Winds WNW at 10 to 15 mph. |
| 13:34 |
rhamby |
csharp: why does Decatur get 'abnduant sunshine' and Lawrenceville only gets 'mostly sunny'? bah. |
| 13:35 |
kmlussier |
Which is more? Abundant or mostly? |
| 13:35 |
rhamby |
s/abnduant/abundant |
| 13:35 |
rhamby |
I would think abundant is more |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
abundant is abundant, more is more, and mostly is mostly. They all have different meanings. |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
abundant is an absolute statement meaning a large amount. |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
more is a comparative: "more of x than y" |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
mostly is weasel words meaning almost, but not quite the whole of |
| 13:40 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 13:42 |
rhamby |
Dyrcona: that is abundantly clear :) |
| 13:42 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona++ # Vocabulary lessons |
| 13:42 |
kmlussier |
rhamby / Dyrcona: Mostly, abundantly clear. |
| 13:42 |
kmlussier |
Actually, I should remove the comma from that last statement. |
| 13:42 |
Dyrcona |
Redundantly clear. ;) |
| 13:43 |
kmlussier |
This is what happens when you put a bunch of librarians in an IRC chat channel. |
| 13:44 |
Dyrcona |
I was being a bit obtuse and should have read more of the scrollback. :) |
| 13:45 |
Dyrcona |
But "mostly..." in a weather report is not much different from "partly [the other thing]" |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
hah! |
| 13:50 |
Dyrcona |
Because of the way that virsh numbers running vms, my current vms on this one host are 2,4,6,8. |
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graced |
EOB meeting in 10 |
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* kmlussier |
grabs popcorn. |
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* Dyrcona |
thinks popcorn sounds like a good idea. |
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graced |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, March 16, 2017 |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Mar 16 14:00:36 2017 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__march_16__2017' |
| 14:00 |
graced |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2017-3-16 Agenda |
| 14:00 |
graced |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:00 |
graced |
Oversight Board members, please introduce yourself with #info |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox OLI |
| 14:01 |
sherbertbc |
info sherbertbc = Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BC Libraries Co-op |
| 14:01 |
miker |
#info miker = Mike Rylander, Equinox OLI |
| 14:01 |
terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, Georgia PINES |
| 14:01 |
graced |
tspindler I know you're here |
| 14:02 |
graced |
you too rgagnon |
| 14:02 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS |
| 14:02 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| 14:02 |
graced |
anyone seen rfrasur? or collum? |
| 14:03 |
graced |
well, we have a quorum. |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#topic Approve Minutes from last meeting |
| 14:03 |
graced |
The minutes have been up for review since our last meeting. |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-02-16-14.01.html |
| 14:03 |
graced |
Are there any corrections? |
| 14:03 |
graced |
Hearing no requests for corrections... |
| 14:04 |
graced |
#agreed The EOB accepted the minutes from the February 16 meeting |
| 14:04 |
graced |
#topic Old Business and Action items |
| 14:04 |
graced |
All outstanding action items have been completed as noted on the agenda. |
| 14:04 |
graced |
In the interest of time, may we move directly to the committee updates? |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
fine by me |
| 14:04 |
rgagnon |
yes |
| 14:04 |
miker |
+1 |
| 14:04 |
sherbertbc |
+1 |
| 14:05 |
terran |
yes |
| 14:05 |
graced |
groovy - most updates were provided beforehand so we could move quickly |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#topic Financial Update |
| 14:05 |
miker |
(also, rhamby++ for helping with my update) |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2017-March/001680.html |
| 14:05 |
graced |
Questions? |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#topic Conference Committee |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#info Committee report delivered via email and includes two approval requests. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2017-March/001684.html |
| 14:06 |
graced |
Questions about anything conference related that isn't the two approval requests? |
| 14:07 |
graced |
Okay then. |
| 14:07 |
graced |
There is an email motion before the Board to approve the revised budget. |
| 14:07 |
miker |
seconded (if necessary) |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
I'll second if needed |
| 14:07 |
graced |
beautiful |
| 14:07 |
graced |
Discussion? Or shall we proceed to vote? |
| 14:08 |
graced |
hearing no discussion... |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to approve the budget revision for the Evergreen conference? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to approve the budget revision for the Evergreen conference? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:08 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
#vote Yes |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
terran |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to approve the budget revision for the Evergreen conference?" Results are |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): afterl, tspindler, miker, rgagnon, graced, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#agreed The Board approved the revised budget for the Evergreen Conference. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
There is an email motion before the Board to approve the expenditure for merchandise to be sold at the Evergreen conference. I would like to ask that the Board approve up to $4,000 as we don’t have final shipping costs on one order. |
| 14:09 |
miker |
seconded |
| 14:09 |
graced |
discussion? |
| 14:09 |
terran |
It all sounds reasonable to me. |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
have we always sold merchandise (don't remember) |
| 14:09 |
tspindler |
at the conference that is |
| 14:09 |
graced |
never |
| 14:09 |
graced |
This is a new thing |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
it's a good idea |
| 14:10 |
* graced |
plans to buy ALL the things |
| 14:10 |
graced |
Hopefully it will go well |
| 14:10 |
terran |
I'm optimistic |
| 14:10 |
graced |
Okay, voting now... |
| 14:10 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to approve up to $4,000 for the purchase of merchandise to be sold at the Evergreen conference? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:10 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to approve up to $4,000 for the purchase of merchandise to be sold at the Evergreen conference? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:10 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:10 |
afterl |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
terran |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
graced |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:11 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to approve up to $4,000 for the purchase of merchandise to be sold at the Evergreen conference?" Results are |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): afterl, rgagnon, miker, graced, tspindler, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#agreed The Board approved up to $4,000 to be spent on the purchase of merchandise to be sold at the Evergreen Conference. |
| 14:11 |
graced |
The conference and outreach committees thank you! |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#topic Outreach Committee Business and Release Manager's Report |
| 14:11 |
graced |
Both provided in the agenda and via email by kmlussier ^^ |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2017-March/001683.html |
| 14:12 |
graced |
In that email from Kathy there is an email motion before the Board to approve an expenditure of $1,200 for the printing of the Evergreen Annual Report. |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
second |
| 14:12 |
miker |
seconded |
| 14:12 |
graced |
discussion? |
| 14:12 |
miker |
tspindler: I feel like this is going to be a competitive thing... ;) |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $1,200 for the printing of the Evergreen Annual Report.? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:13 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $1,200 for the printing of the Evergreen Annual Report.? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:13 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
#vote yes |
| 14:13 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#vote yes |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:13 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:14 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:14 |
terran |
#vote yes |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:14 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $1,200 for the printing of the Evergreen Annual Report.?" Results are |
| 14:14 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): afterl, rgagnon, miker, graced, tspindler, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#agreed The Board approved the expenditure of $1,200 for the printing of the Evergreen Annual Report. |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#topic Old Business |
| 14:14 |
graced |
Thanks for coming prepared so we could spend time on this next thing, everyone. |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#info tspindler and his team provided a very good summary of the Project’s options at our last meeting |
| 14:15 |
graced |
#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fYw1-kgtaN5oM3s2cYTlETaRXMfddsVBecziujBp0sQ |
| 14:15 |
graced |
Has everyone had a chance to digest? |
| 14:15 |
graced |
Who has burning questions? |
| 14:15 |
afterl |
I just re-read |
| 14:16 |
afterl |
They have questions at the end. |
| 14:16 |
afterl |
At some point, I'd want us to review those as that will influence my input |
| 14:16 |
miker |
I have a smoldering question, re legal defense |
| 14:17 |
graced |
miker? |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
It would be an added expense in all instances other than SFC |
| 14:17 |
miker |
with the SFC, IIUC, they directly cover the cost of legal defense and the project's money is not used to pay an attorney, correct? |
| 14:17 |
miker |
because they have inside counsel |
| 14:17 |
graced |
miker: I don't think it's spelled out that clearly |
| 14:18 |
miker |
tspindler: well, not necessarily ... but def if we created a new NPO |
| 14:18 |
miker |
graced: ok, thanks. so that /may/ be a question for SFC? |
| 14:18 |
tspindler |
miker: i'm going on memory but I didn't think any of the others provided any legal counsel other than the SFC |
| 14:19 |
graced |
My interpretation is that the SFC will contribute legal time for filings,e tc. |
| 14:19 |
graced |
Not any other costs, and prehaps not attorney costs in teh case of actual litigation |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
So here's something from an email exchange with Tony Sebro |
| 14:20 |
tspindler |
in any case, if we had to hire our own legal counsel, my understanding is we pay an upfront amount to retain their services and then as the provide services the draw down that amount |
| 14:20 |
graced |
But I would need to review the agreement and ask the SFC for clarification |
| 14:20 |
graced |
tspindler: yes, that's generally the way it works. |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
Would there be additional legal costs if there was a lengthy and difficult defense of our trademark? (Hypothetically)As Evergreen's attorney, I will do what I can to defend Evergreen's trademark, at no additional cost to Evergreen. And, occasionally, Conservancy is able to retain outside pro bono counsel to provide additional legal support. So, if we can do it in-house and/or with pro bono help, Evergreen would not b |
| 14:20 |
afterl |
I should note that finding pro bono counsel willing to handle more time-intensive matters (e.g., litigation) is not easy. Any outside legalexpenses associated with project-specific trademark defense/enforcement would indeed be covered by the project. |
| 14:21 |
graced |
But with a registered trademark we shouldn't anticipate a legal battle, I think |
| 14:21 |
afterl |
It was the question asked of him. It could be broadened. |
| 14:21 |
miker |
right. we've had, I think, 2 instances that were handled with a simple letter |
| 14:22 |
tspindler |
It seems to me we have done well with just a gentle communication when infringement has occured and that has been enough |
| 14:22 |
graced |
indeed |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
i'm assuming there is low probability we would have to be engaged in any kind of expensive legal battle (but never say never) |
| 14:23 |
miker |
right, the risk certainly seems low |
| 14:23 |
graced |
so, with legal concerns maybe less of a concern what services are important to the project? |
| 14:23 |
rgagnon |
Sounds like it's largely our cost no matter who the fiscal agent is? |
| 14:24 |
rgagnon |
Timely and accurate bookkeeping. |
| 14:24 |
miker |
graced: timely fina... what rgagnon said :) |
| 14:25 |
graced |
the SFC is providing legal counsel now at no cost but most of the counsel revolves around them double checking our activities to ensure we're not jeopardizing the SFC's 501c3 status/rules |
| 14:25 |
graced |
Yes, bookkeeping. |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
How to determine that? |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
The book keeping right now are very simple. Is there any reason to expect that to change. |
| 14:26 |
graced |
Not in my eyes |
| 14:26 |
miker |
tspindler: no, just the timeliness :) |
| 14:26 |
miker |
IMO |
| 14:26 |
graced |
Our main revenue is the conference and merchandise (occasional donations) |
| 14:27 |
graced |
Our main costs are the conference and outreach activities |
| 14:27 |
miker |
graced: financial costs specifically, you mean? |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
I bring this up because ACRL New England operates as a separate non-profit and manages their finances and programs on their own with no problems. |
| 14:28 |
miker |
as opposed to volunteer time costs |
| 14:28 |
graced |
miker: yes, financial costs to track for accoutning |
| 14:29 |
miker |
(as in, chasing 50 invoices or cutting checks to vendors) |
| 14:29 |
graced |
tspindler: I agree that it's doable. |
| 14:29 |
tspindler |
Its possible we could have a more formalized structure with a treasurer to do this. |
| 14:30 |
graced |
miker: I think for this conference we have a total of about 10 invoices total thus far includingt he merchandise purchases |
| 14:30 |
miker |
graced: oh! that's good! SFC seemed to imply more |
| 14:30 |
miker |
from last year |
| 14:31 |
graced |
miker: I think we had around 30 last year |
| 14:31 |
graced |
Do we want to rule anything on the list out to make this easier to move forward with? For example, I don't think the DLF seems to be offering much and their costs would be equivalent to the SFC |
| 14:32 |
afterl |
Yes, I agree |
| 14:32 |
miker |
and ASF is out, IMO, because of the license issue |
| 14:32 |
terran |
Agreed |
| 14:33 |
rgagnon |
Agreed |
| 14:33 |
terran |
It doesn't sound like the Mozilla Foundation would offer us much either |
| 14:33 |
miker |
agreed |
| 14:33 |
tspindler |
I think the main options are stay with SFC, move to SPI, move to a non-profit in the community or create our own |
| 14:34 |
graced |
Unless the Linux Foundation gives us a GREAT deal |
| 14:34 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:34 |
rgagnon |
I agree. |
| 14:34 |
miker |
is FSF out due to no legal work, then? |
| 14:35 |
tspindler |
I don't remember who talked to the FSF but it seems they don't offer many services. |
| 14:35 |
graced |
Right - for $2,000 we'd be getting.... what services? |
| 14:35 |
miker |
so the event and financial management are "no"? |
| 14:35 |
miker |
or unknown? |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
unknown at this point |
| 14:36 |
tspindler |
did sharon or rhamby talk to them? are they here? |
| 14:36 |
miker |
ok, thanks |
| 14:37 |
graced |
Let's leave the FSF on the short list until we get a definitive answer on that then |
| 14:37 |
graced |
So, how would we like to go about soliciting interest from existing community non-profit? |
| 14:37 |
rhamby |
I looked at SPI and ASF. |
| 14:38 |
afterl |
SPI looked good on paper. |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
graced: i think we could just poll members to see who is even interested |
| 14:38 |
graced |
tspindler: would you mind polling prior to the conference? |
| 14:38 |
tspindler |
or capable of doing this |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
graced: yes I can do that |
| 14:39 |
graced |
#action tspindler to poll existing non-profit community to determine interest in sponsoring EG project |
| 14:40 |
graced |
tspindler++ |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
i will ask specifically what services they can provide also |
| 14:40 |
afterl |
tspindler++ |
| 14:40 |
terran |
tspindler++ |
| 14:40 |
graced |
tspindler: and whether there are dedicated staff/accountatns/legal team, etc. |
| 14:41 |
graced |
I'm most interested in their ability to be the fiscal agent on hotel contracts for the conference and their ability to keep EG business separate in an accounting program and provide timely work/updates. |
| 14:41 |
tspindler |
one approach is also for the EG to form a non-profit and contract with another non-profit to profvide these services |
| 14:41 |
graced |
And, of course, what they would charge. |
| 14:43 |
graced |
tspindler: I really hadn't thought about that option. What do you see as the benefit there? For us to be a non-profit and also contract with one? |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
it would be easier to move things around if we became disatisfied, would not have to do a full analysis |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
just contract with someone else or bring them inhouse |
| 14:44 |
tspindler |
shell corporaions ;) |
| 14:44 |
sherbertbc |
sorry folks, got pulled away FSF does not provide event or fin mgt |
| 14:44 |
miker |
sherbertbc: thanks! |
| 14:44 |
rgagnon |
But if we were a non-profit we would not necessarily be limited to contracting with non-profits. |
| 14:44 |
tspindler |
good point also |
| 14:45 |
graced |
all good points |
| 14:45 |
terran |
true |
| 14:45 |
miker |
my concern would be cost layering there ... but it's worth modeling, I agree |
| 14:46 |
graced |
miker: that was my first gut reaction concern, too |
| 14:46 |
afterl |
If we do it as a non-profit, we rely on volunteers - it's doable, but a little shaky at times, unless you pay someone to be the consistent body |
| 14:46 |
miker |
afterl: right, that's my concern, too. money or time, and time is not a sure thing :) |
| 14:46 |
tspindler |
afterl: succession of leadership is usually the problem here that causes isseus |
| 14:47 |
afterl |
I lived it |
| 14:47 |
afterl |
Was chair of Horizon users group |
| 14:47 |
terran |
Yes, that's my biggest concern as well - and most of us are already stretched pretty thin, I think |
| 14:48 |
collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
| 14:48 |
graced |
So, what I think I'm hearing is that whatever direction we move (even if we become our own non-profit) we still think we need to contract with a non-profit or other agency to provide some services |
| 14:48 |
graced |
hi collum! |
| 14:48 |
collum |
Sorry. I'm late. Life happened. |
| 14:49 |
graced |
does anyone disagree with that above statement? |
| 14:50 |
terran |
I agree |
| 14:50 |
miker |
graced: I do not disagree |
| 14:50 |
tspindler |
nope |
| 14:50 |
graced |
okay - how did I get it wrong? |
| 14:50 |
graced |
Oh, heck, I misread you miker |
| 14:50 |
miker |
heh |
| 14:50 |
afterl |
graced: better structure that way |
| 14:51 |
graced |
okay. that leaves us more paths still but also better options potentially |
| 14:51 |
graced |
I think we all know that this is something that will take 6-12 months, right? |
| 14:52 |
tspindler |
At least |
| 14:52 |
terran |
If we're lucky! |
| 14:52 |
tspindler |
6 months would be extremely fast I think |
| 14:53 |
graced |
Well, it depends on what path we take. Obviously, if we choose to stay with the SFC, that takes much less time. ;-) |
| 14:53 |
afterl |
Right - the whole setting up a non-profit will take longer |
| 14:53 |
graced |
Choosing to go with another org and not form our wonnon-profit would be about 6-8 months I would guess. |
| 14:53 |
tspindler |
correct grace, I was thinking setting up a non-profit |
| 14:53 |
afterl |
graced: that seems reasonable |
| 14:54 |
graced |
Going to full route of creating our own non-profit and securing the services of another would be the long one. |
| 14:54 |
graced |
Cool, just glad we're all on the same page. |
| 14:54 |
graced |
my bad typing aside... |
| 14:55 |
graced |
Okay, let's all plan to have a very detailed discussion at the EOB meeting in Covington. Tim and I will try to get as much info out prior to that meeting |
| 14:55 |
miker |
is there anything we should do in parallel with tspindler polling existing NPOs? clarify legal support from SFC in the worst case? |
| 14:55 |
graced |
miker: yes, I was going to ask afterl to clarify some things with them |
| 14:55 |
afterl |
yes, can do |
| 14:55 |
miker |
in order to be fully informed on the "stay with SFC" path, obv |
| 14:55 |
miker |
thanks! |
| 14:56 |
graced |
Also, I would like to remind everyone that EOB voting is still open through Monday. |
| 14:56 |
graced |
Please vote. |
| 14:56 |
miker |
vote early, vote often |
| 14:56 |
graced |
Any other discussion on the current actual topic? |
| 14:57 |
afterl |
none from me |
| 14:57 |
graced |
Any new business that can't wait 3 weeks? |
| 14:57 |
graced |
Reminder: Our next meeting will be at the Evergreen Conference at 9am on Wednesday. Location TBD. |
| 14:57 |
graced |
Thanks everyone! |
| 14:57 |
afterl |
Thank you! |
| 14:57 |
graced |
#endmeeting |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Mar 16 14:57:57 2017 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-03-16-14.00.html |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-03-16-14.00.txt |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2017/evergreen.2017-03-16-14.00.log.html |
| 14:58 |
miker |
graced++ |
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graced |
eob++ |
| 14:58 |
rgagnon |
See you in Covington! |
| 14:58 |
collum |
graced++ |
| 14:58 |
terran |
Bye everybody! |
| 14:58 |
terran |
See you soon! |
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tspindler |
graced++ |
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kmlussier |
graced++ |
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* kmlussier |
can't remember if she's voted in the EOB election yet. |
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afterl |
kmlussier: I'm voting right now! |
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* abneiman |
also just voted, thanks graced for the reminder.... |
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graced |
anytime |
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dbs |
wow, dojo 1.12! nice to see that toolkit is still plugging along (and working on a 2.0 release): https://dojotoolkit.org/blog/ |
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kmlussier |
Oh, good. My e-mails to the general list are posting very quickly now. |
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kmlussier |
@quote randome |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The horror... The horror... |
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kmlussier |
Sigh... |
| 17:00 |
kmlussier |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Quote #142: "csharp: do you want to be a sys admin or a fireman?" (added by mrpeters at 08:41 PM, March 03, 2016) |
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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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kmlussier |
hmmm...checkboxes on patron registration form seem to be out of alignment. |
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