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05:01 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:07 Guest62509 @coffee [coffee jeff]
08:07 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Hawaii Isla Kona Mauka, and sends it sliding down the bar to brews and pours a cup of Sumatra Danau Toba, and sends it sliding down the bar to jeff
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08:08 jeff let's try that again.
08:08 jeff @coffee [coffee [coffee jeff]]
08:08 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Colombia Cauca, Special Micro-Lot Selection Juvenal Penna, and sends it sliding down the bar to brews and pours a cup of Guatemala El Injerto Pacamara, and sends it sliding down the bar to brews and pours a cup of Kenya AA Nyeri Tatu, and sends it sliding down the bar to jeff
08:12 kmlussier jeff: There may be better ways of getting  lots of caffeine into your system.
08:12 kmlussier @weather
08:12 pinesol_green kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Snow :: 37F/3C | Wind Chill: 29F/-2C | Thursday: Periods of snow, heavy at times, along with gusty winds. Morning high of 36F with temps falling to near 20. Winds N at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of snow 100%. 8 to 12 inches of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Thursday Night: Windy with snow showers this evening. Winds diminishing (1 more message)
08:13 kmlussier @more
08:13 pinesol_green kmlussier: later. Low near 10F. Winds NW at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow 50%. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
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08:18 jeff @weather ktvc
08:18 pinesol_green jeff: Cherry Capital, MI :: Overcast :: 14F/-10C | Wind Chill: -1F/-19C | Thursday: Generally cloudy. A few flurries or snow showers possible. High 16F. Winds WNW at 15 to 25 mph. Thursday Night: Mainly cloudy. Low 12F. Winds SW at 5 to 10 mph. | Updated: 23m ago
08:18 jeff cold this morning.
08:18 jeff @weather --astronomy KSEA
08:18 pinesol_green jeff: Astronomy: :: Moon illum: 97%   Moon age: 13d   Sunrise: 7:23  Sunset: 17:24  Length of Day: 10h1m
08:18 * jeff mutters something about SEATAC astronomy
08:20 Dyrcona @weather
08:20 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Methuen, MA :: Snow :: 31F/-1C | Wind Chill: 19F/-7C | Thursday: Windy with snow, heavy at times. Morning high of 31F with temps falling to near 15. Winds N at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow 100%. A foot or more of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Thursday Night: Windy with on and off snow showers this evening. Then some clearing later. Low 8F. (1 more message)
08:20 Dyrcona @more
08:20 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Winds WNW at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow 60%. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.
08:22 kmlussier No snow yet here.
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09:07 rhamby @weather 30046
09:07 pinesol_green rhamby: Lawrenceville, GA :: Partly Cloudy :: 43F/6C | Wind Chill: 34F/1C | Thursday: Mostly sunny and windy. High 49F. Winds NW at 20 to 30 mph. Thursday Night: Clear skies. Low 28F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph. | Updated: 12m ago
09:08 rhamby kmlussier: not today and probably not tomorrow but next week I'm going to force myself to deal with some outreach stuff.  how is next week looking for me bothering you?
09:17 kmlussier rhamby: Well, it is feature freeze at the end of next week, so I'll be doing a lot of testing. But I should be around.
09:18 rhamby kmlussier: I don't know how much I'll need to bug you but I'll probably at least want to bounce a few ideas off you
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09:21 kmlussier Dyrcona: So I should hold off on bug 1005040 until the issue you mentioned in comment 11 is addressed?
09:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1005040 in Evergreen "TPAC: eliminate advanced search filters from subsequent basic search box" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005040
09:21 Dyrcona kmlussier: I'm not sure it's a functional issue.
09:22 kmlussier rhamby: Yes, and I'll probably have some thoughts I want to share too. Any chance we can commit to a specific day/time to make sure we touch base? That will also ensure I put my outreach hat one before you run things by me.
09:23 rhamby kmlussier: sure.  Tuesday onward would be good for me.  I need to look at some stuff first as well.
09:23 Dyrcona I think it would be nice if we had the discipline to prevent those kinds of messages. In many other languages, that would be a crash.
09:28 Dyrcona kmlussier: So, I guess it is not a show stopper for me.
09:28 kmlussier Dyrcona: Thanks for the feedback.
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10:00 csharp jeff++ # TOO MANY SECRETS
10:01 bshum Setec doesn't mean anything.
10:01 * csharp loves that movie
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10:21 dbs Dyrcona kmlussier: having seen messages like that fill up logs, depending on the frequency it could lead to a DoS on reasonably busy systems with limited disk space
10:21 dbs (naive setup, etc, but still... better to stomp warnings like that out)
10:26 Dyrcona I didn't look into why the message occurred, so it could be indicative of a bug.
10:27 Dyrcona I'm pretty sure that changing the line in OpenSRF::AppSession will make the warnings disappear.
10:33 miker Dyrcona: I believe your log message issue is fixed by 38f6cb09b0da58d8c06761b5b629f6c55d71617b from https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/1655449
10:33 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1655449 in OpenSRF "SubRequests need to inherit chunking/bundling values from parent Request" [High,New]
10:38 Dyrcona ok, I'll add that and give it another shot
10:41 pinesol_green [opensrf|Galen Charlton] LP#1652122: fix infinite recursion in opensrf.system.method.all - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=bd5fc63>
10:42 Dyrcona And, I'll pickup that one, too. :)
10:48 Dyrcona miker: Yep. Looks like that one fixes that.
10:48 miker cool, thanks for testing. have time to sign off, etc?
10:50 Dyrcona Yeah, I was just looking at the code before signing off. Should I just push it to master?
10:56 miker let me make sure of that...
10:57 miker yes, I think so for now
10:59 pinesol_green [opensrf|Mike Rylander] LP#1655449: Bundling/chunking limits for SubRquests - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=e71d790>
10:59 Dyrcona Well, I went and pushed it. :)
10:59 miker thanks!
11:00 miker (and, def only master. it includes changes to dispatch mode, which is not in 2.4)
11:00 Dyrcona Right.
11:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP 1656547: Add XML directive to oils_sip.xml.example. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=879a495>
11:18 Dyrcona Funny thing about that one: I noticed the example z39.50 files could use that same addition.
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Chris Sharp] LP#1639782 - Add Active Date to Item Status Column Picker - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5fcf1e8>
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1639782: Release note entry for Active Date Column Picker Option - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e4d84ed>
11:25 * kmlussier proceeds to merge bug 1005040 then.
11:25 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1005040 in Evergreen "TPAC: eliminate advanced search filters from subsequent basic search box" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005040
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11:35 * kmlussier can't Assign herself to bugs or add tags on LP right now.
11:36 kmlussier nm - fixed itself
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12:09 * csharp builds a Windows 10 workstation to start testing hatch
12:18 berick csharp++ # i'm around if hit any snags.  since so few have tread there, i'm guessing you will.
12:19 * berick is reminded of a docs change he meant to make after kmlussier's testing last week..
12:19 berick oh right the permission granting
12:22 * berick pushed the doc update
12:23 csharp berick: thanks
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12:29 kmlussier berick: I'll check that out as soon as I get back to testing hatch. Thanks!
12:30 berick kmlussier: cool, i believe your past that step, btw, so my doc change probably won't have any effect your testing.
12:30 berick unless you start over
12:30 kmlussier berick: I was thinking of starting over.
12:31 * berick nods
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12:52 graced Holy cow, y'all - we have TWELVE exhibitors lines up already for the Evergreen conference
12:52 graced *lined that is
12:52 * graced is so excited she can't type
12:52 Dyrcona :)
12:52 Dyrcona nice!
12:53 graced exhibitors and sponsors keep our registration costs down and our bacon of higher quality
12:54 bmills mmm… quality bacon
12:54 graced now I'm thinking about that Hood River bacon...
12:55 graced collum: has anyone vetted the bacon at the Covington Marriott yet?
12:55 kmlussier graced: Are you starting to run out of exhibit space yet?
12:55 graced kmlussier: thankfully no because we chose to put it in the gazebo area
12:56 graced But I remember telling the local committee - we never get more than 10 exhibitors.
12:56 graced nice to be wrong
13:04 jeff is a list of exhibitors usually made available ahead of time? i don't recall from past years, but now i'm curious!
13:06 dbs random thought for publicity committee types: the Koha sticker I picked up from Bywater's booth at the OLA Superconference last week says "Koha Open Source Library System", whereas the old Evergreen sticker I have just says "Evergreen"
13:06 dbs I like the "Open Source Library System" explanatory line :)
13:12 * kmlussier thought we got 12 exhibitors in Camrbidge, but could be misremembering.
13:14 kmlussier jeff: I know we posted a list of exhibitors back in 2014, but I don't remember if it was done for other conferences. Sponsors usually are listed at some point because it's often part of the package benefits.
13:19 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1649180: Add translator make target - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=361938c>
13:19 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1649180: Update README to reflect translator make target - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4c93dbf>
13:19 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1649180: Add release note for translator make target - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=47a6251>
13:19 graced jeff: I'm adding their logos to the conference page on the Evergreen site - but I'm a little behind.
13:34 kmlussier miker / gmcharlt_: In writing up the release note entry for bug 1005040 I was reading the tech specs and noticed a mention of the record bucket interface. How does the code affect record buckets?
13:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1005040 in Evergreen "TPAC: eliminate advanced search filters from subsequent basic search box" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1005040 - Assigned to Kathy Lussier (klussier)
13:34 kmlussier No obvious changed jumped out at me.
13:35 kmlussier s/changed/changes
13:37 kmlussier Also, dbs / miker: let me know if you want me to remove that one comment when I merge the code.
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13:37 kmlussier Or I guess it would be two comments.
13:38 * kmlussier didn't expect to see mmorgan today. :)
13:39 miker kmlussier: it's just that the record bucket search uses the underlying code, and so is "effected". no UI changes there
13:40 kmlussier miker: Gotcha. Thanks!
13:41 * mmorgan is waiting for snow to stop.
13:41 miker for the supercat code, I think we should remove the code that turns apos into space, and both comment lines
13:41 mmorgan Going to be a while, I guess.
13:43 kmlussier miker: Yeah, I just couldn't tell from dbs' latest comment if he was suggesting that we do all that in the new bug, or remove the comments now and address the other issues in the new bug.
14:16 mmorgan @weather 01945
14:16 pinesol_green mmorgan: Marblehead, MA :: Snow :: 21F/-6C | Wind Chill: 5F/-15C | Thursday: Snow will be heavy at times along with gusty winds. High 23F. Winds NNW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of snow 100%. 8 to 12 inches of snow expected. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Thursday Night: Snow ending and winds diminishing this evening followed by clearing late. Low 11F. Winds WNW at 25 to (1 more message)
14:41 miker well, the comment's not wrong. I added it as a marker for later work while working on the supercat code for the relevant bug.  I can certainly push a comment fix to clarify it in master. I'd personally be fine just pushing the code change, but won't impose that
14:50 miker kmlussier: branch updated with clarified code comments (that doesn't accuse another comment of being bad and wrong ;) )
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15:27 kmlussier miker: Thanks!
15:43 Dyrcona hmm. just built master and nothing happens when I try to login with the webstaff client.
15:44 Dyrcona Firefox can’t establish a connection to the server at wss://192.168.122.7:7682/o​srf-websocket-translator.
15:44 Dyrcona But the vm says websockets are running.
15:45 berick dummy ssl cert?
15:45 berick in FF, open https://192.168.122.7:7682 and click through the cert warning
15:46 Dyrcona berick++ At least now, I get login failed. :)
15:47 berick what more can anyone ask
15:47 Dyrcona :) Had the usrname wrong.
15:53 kmlussier Calling 1007
15:54 Dyrcona The name is Bug...James Bug.
15:55 Dyrcona Ok. This'll sound dumb, but how do I renew something in the webstaff client?
15:55 Dyrcona Ooh.. Right-click.... :)
15:56 berick Dyrcona: indeed, and the Actions drop-down above the grid
15:57 Dyrcona Oh. Missed the Actions drop down, 'cause I think it is all the way to the left in XUL, but I might be wrong.
16:02 Dyrcona So, I have half of a fix. More work required.
16:04 pinesol_green Showing latest 5 of 17 commits to Evergreen...
16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP1281280: Allow test script to run without a full installation - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9a03ed4>
16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1005040: Styling cleanup for filter display - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f12cc28>
16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1005040: Release notes entry for advanced search limiter improvements - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=32d9fd0>
16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] Adjust comment about apostrophes in opensearch code.  This is a marker for future work. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=38ca8cc>
16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1005040: Stamping upgrade script for realign search layers - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c9afb45>
16:16 Dyrcona Right click is now acting weird on me. It's taking me to Item Status as if I'd left clicked.
16:16 Dyrcona The menu pops up and then I end up at Item Status.
16:17 * Dyrcona blames low RAM and/or Firefox.
16:48 kmlussier It might be too late in the day to ask this question, but I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on the question Bmagic posted here regarding sibling record links https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/1573734/comments/8
16:48 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1573734 in Evergreen "Link to sibling metarecord bibs in record detail page" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Blake GH (blake-j)
16:49 kmlussier Under the current implementation, Bmagic used icon_format to create the list of sibling formats on the record. But clicking the link, right now, is utilizing search_format.
16:50 kmlussier We know we want the two to match, but we weren't sure it would be desirable to use icon_format as a search filter.
16:51 JBoyer Having just dealt with both icon and search formats recently, I would say there are definite benefits to them being defined differently. (i.e. you may want an item to appear under more than one search format but not have multiple icons), so I'd really recommend using search_filter for this.
16:51 JBoyer It's right there in the name. :)
16:52 JBoyer search_format, even, better to use one that actually exists...
16:54 kmlussier JBoyer: Yes, but I'm not sure search_format is the best method for listing the alternate formats on the record page. Because you'll be listing a lot more formats that way.
16:55 * kmlussier wishes she had the code loaded somewhere so she could explain this better.
16:56 * JBoyer actually bothers to read the bug, assuming that much learning will take place.
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16:58 kmlussier Ok, so if I'm on the Harry Potter record, it will provide a link to any editions that match particular formats. When it lists the 'book' format, it's based on the icon_format definition.
16:59 kmlussier But when you click the link, it's limiting to search_format='book', which is defined entirely differently from the icon format, so you get a different number of results than you expected.
17:01 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
17:01 kmlussier We know both need to be based on the same record attribute so that the counts match up correctly, but we were just looking for direction on which one should be used.
17:02 kmlussier I think Bmagic saw a benefit to re-using the code that was being used for icon formats, but then that means we would be filtering by icon_format when clicking the link. This works, but some might find it strange to limit based on icon format.
17:04 Dyrcona icon_format makes sense because it often corresponds to what people think of as item types.
17:05 JBoyer I didn't think icon_format had Filter set to True, but it does so I suppose that should work out fine.
17:10 kmlussier Yes, I did some testing with icon_format and had no trouble filtering the results that way.
17:10 * miker reads up
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17:15 miker is it too much to have a new YAOUS that defines how a site wants to divide up their MR types?
17:17 miker mr_hold_format seems "best" to me, as a default. and any missing icon files can be added to cover differences between that an icon_format
17:17 miker but, I don't really have a problem with icon_format, tbh, and we reliably get images for free using the existing YAOUS
17:19 miker I guess my point is ... if Bmagic wants to do the extra work of creating a set of mr_hold_format images (assuming that's the one we use as the default) and adding a new YAOUS to point at it, that seems like the most complete solution
17:19 miker but, in practice, icon_format is probably /really/ close to that
17:20 kmlussier Yeah, I agree that mr_hold_format seems "best". I personally don't see why we would need to use YAOUS for this. In this case, I think most people will go with the default.
17:20 Dyrcona Anyway, I'm signing out now. Snow days are great, 'cause I can catch up on some community work.
17:20 kmlussier Also, I don't think we need to create images. I think the latest iteration of that branch don't display images with the formats that are listed on the record.
17:21 kmlussier Dyrcona++
17:21 kmlussier Ah, too late for him to see it.
17:21 miker oh, they almost certainly will never touch it. it's just my preference: if a knob has a good default, I think having the knob is better.
17:23 * kmlussier suddenly feels odd finding herself in a position where she argued against YAOUS. Checks for fever.
17:23 miker also, there should be nothing special about the string "mr_hold_format" ... there may be today, if someone renames it, deletes it, wants to create a different one, I think they should be able to if it's as simple as a YAOUS. of course, I don't have to deal with managing YAOUS's on a regular basis personally, so I'm totally fine with adding more all the time ;)
17:24 miker heh
17:25 miker I left out some words there...
17:26 miker by "nothing special" I mean, because it's a dynamic filter (as opposed to say, site, which is hard coded), we should really avoid stock code that would break if that string changed ... and a YAOUS lets us absolve ourselves of that risk (as long as we document the need for and purpose of the YAOUS)
17:26 kmlussier Yeah, I don't manage YAOUS directly either, but I have friends who do and they seem perfectly happy with more knobs too.
17:28 kmlussier When I said I didn't see a need for more YAOUS, I had forgotten that there are settings to do the same for icons and metarecord holds. Now I'm seeing your point more clearly.
17:30 kmlussier Thanks for the feedback!
17:30 kmlussier Dyrcona++ JBoyer++ miker++
17:33 miker kmlussier: oh, well, if we have a YAOUS that points at mr_hold_format already, I think we could use that and just add any missing icons to stock (which I doubt there'd be) ... or did I misunderstand "settings to do the same for icons and metarecord holds"?
17:37 kmlussier miker: We have a global flag that defines which record attribute should be used for icons and one that defines which record attribute should be used for metarecord holds formats.
17:37 miker ah!
17:37 miker not a YAOUS, a flag
17:37 kmlussier And then another one for search formats.
17:37 miker that makes perfect sense
17:37 miker so ... we can just use the mr hold flag?
17:37 * kmlussier nods
17:38 miker sweet
17:38 kmlussier Well, I nod conditionally, not having run this by the developer. :)
17:38 miker heh
17:38 miker kmlussier++
17:38 * miker runs away
17:38 kmlussier miker: Thanks again!
18:12 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1541801: add angular-order-object-by dependency - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bccc71f>
18:12 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1541801: order search fields in Z39.50 alphabetically - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b5e60e1>
18:12 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1541801: grab search field code correctly - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5a2c497>
18:26 kmlussier Calling 1008
18:32 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Pearl] LP#1613341 - Patron name search should be punctuation-insensitive - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adee741>
18:32 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1613341: Stamping upgrade script for punctuation-insensitive patron search - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c6dc037>
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18:46 kenstir Where is the right place to discuss a potential EG security issue?
18:52 phasefx kenstir: I would file a security bug on launchpad, that'll keep the conversation to a limited number of people
18:53 kenstir phasefx: OK thanks
18:54 phasefx kenstir: the bug report page will have a line that says "This bug contains information that is:"  with Public below it.  That's changeable to Private Security
20:17 kenstir phasefx: Thanks, I followed your advice
20:20 kenstir Does anybody have a quick way (via OSRF) to find out which libraries are hold pickup libraries?  I know that open-ils.actor.org_unit_setting.values.ranged returns "opac.holds.org_unit_not_pickup_lib":true.  It seems tedious to make 192 calls to retrieve that setting for every CW/MARS org unit.
20:39 kmlussier kenstir: I'm not sure. I know the setting in question is usually unset unless a library is actively trying to remove it from the pickup library list.
21:04 kenstir kmlussier: I wonder if there is a heuristic that might apply here? E.g. if the org has children, it is not a pickup lib.
21:06 kmlussier kenstir: Oh, maybe this makes itself available in OpenSRF in some format. There's a setting for each level of the org unit hierarchy that determines whether that level can have users.
21:07 kmlussier If that level can have users, by default, it shows up as a pickup library. If it can't have users, it's not a pickup library.
21:08 kmlussier Sometimes, an org unit with a child be a pickup library. It's that setting that determines where those if it should be available as a pickup library.
21:10 kmlussier It's the org unit type that has the can have users flag.
21:12 kenstir kmlussier: Excellent, I already have the org type from calling open-ils.actor.org_tree.retrieve
21:12 kenstir and I know how to query the org unit types
21:13 kenstir kmlussier++
21:22 * kmlussier re-reads here sentence from 21:08 and decides she really shouldn't be trying to type this late at night.
21:34 kenstir it's only 5:34pm somewhere
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23:06 kmlussier Darn! kenstir left. I just realized I pointed him in the wrong direction earlier.
23:06 * kmlussier always forgets whether it's the can have users or can have volumes/copies flag.

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