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News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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kmlussier |
I loaded the sprint 4 branch yesterday and it looks good so far. I'm going to poke at it a little more today before merging it. |
| 09:59 |
kmlussier |
miker / gmcharlt : Do you see any reasons why I should hold off on merging it? Do you expect there to be a lot of flux in the branch today? |
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miker |
kmlussier: some, I expect, actually. I think gmcharlt's attacking some things |
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kmlussier |
miker: OK, maybe I'll hold off until next week then. |
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phasefx |
kmlussier++ email collisions :) |
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kmlussier |
phasefx: I'm happy to see we didn't contradict each other. :) |
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kmlussier |
phasefx++ |
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phasefx |
haha |
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csharp |
@attack |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
| 10:36 |
phasefx |
zoinks |
| 10:48 |
Bmagic |
Anyone else have issues with diacritics in SIP? Or barcodes with plus signs? |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Yes, there are Launchpad bugs assigned to me about the diacritics. |
| 10:49 |
Bmagic |
ah, I thought there was something about this |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bugs?search=Search&field.assignee=jstephenson |
| 10:50 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure how plus signs cause a problem, but it's obvious how pipe would. |
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csharp |
hmm - I'm looking at bug 1286340 and it seems like a "deleted" column is what people probably want (for accountability purposes) on all the relevant acq objects (PO, lineitem, lineitem_detail, po_item, etc.) - is there a reason I wouldn't want to do it that way? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1286340 in Evergreen "Please add a feature that will allow end-users to delete Purchase Orders" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1286340 |
| 11:02 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Just checked with the NOBLE acq person, and that makes sense to use. It's a nice safeguard in case somebody accidentally deletes a PO. |
| 11:04 |
csharp |
kmlussier: thanks! |
| 11:11 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: I'm using http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/SIPServer.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/dyrcona/lp1463943_encoded_response in the meantime. |
| 11:11 |
Bmagic |
interesting |
| 11:12 |
Dyrcona |
Well, wait a minute.... That may be the wrong one. |
| 11:13 |
Dyrcona |
This ought to do it: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/SIPServer.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e2fe894b144862017b9722ca771a167ccf44190 |
| 11:13 |
Dyrcona |
That whole branch might work. |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
But, I'm actually using just the one commit. |
| 11:14 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: I am on the phone with a customer running a bibliotheca self check machine |
| 11:15 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: The problem has mainly manifested itself with call numbers(!) and the software used by the delivery company. They use SIP2 to look up destinations for barcoded items. |
| 11:15 |
Dyrcona |
At least for me (at MVLC and at C/W MARS). |
| 11:17 |
Bmagic |
When the machine asks SIP about an item where the title contains a diacritic. SIPServer simply doesnt respond |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: That sounds like another bug.... |
| 11:18 |
Bmagic |
I cherry-picked 2e2fe894b1448 and then 7810ae0993129e - still having an issue responding with diacritic titles |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: lp 1628995 |
| 11:19 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1628995 in SIPServer "SIPServer can incorrectly calculate output message length, which can lead to clients hanging" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1628995 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 11:24 |
Bmagic |
darn, that didnt fix it either |
| 11:25 |
Bmagic |
SIP doesnt have a response at all. The query is type "17" and the response should be "18" but I get zilch in the log |
| 11:26 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Do you see the request in the log? |
| 11:26 |
Bmagic |
yes, the request is there |
| 11:27 |
Dyrcona |
OK. And nothing about the response in the SIP log? |
| 11:27 |
Bmagic |
right |
| 11:27 |
Bmagic |
I am checking the other opensrf logs |
| 11:28 |
Bmagic |
I wonder if there is an issue with Encode.pm in 16.04? |
| 11:28 |
Dyrcona |
There is. |
| 11:28 |
Bmagic |
oh, lol |
| 11:28 |
Dyrcona |
That is mentioned in lp 1542495. |
| 11:28 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1542495 in SIPServer "OpenILS::SIP::clean_text() can crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1542495 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
| 11:29 |
Bmagic |
Do I have a bigger issue running my DB server on 16.04 ? |
| 11:30 |
Dyrcona |
No, I don't think so. |
| 11:31 |
Dyrcona |
Pg 9.5 should be OK at this point. |
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Bmagic |
Dyrcona: alright, so, it's just the SIP code then. I cherry-picked those two branches with no luck. Is there some Evergreen code required as well? I get this in oils_sip.log |
| 11:52 |
Bmagic |
Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.22/Encode.pm line 241. |
| 11:53 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: You can try jeff's branch: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/SIPServer.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/jeff/lp1628995_fix_output_message_length_calculation |
| 11:53 |
Dyrcona |
That should work in the iterim. |
| 11:54 |
Bmagic |
I cherry-picked that one too :) |
| 11:54 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, yeah.... |
| 11:54 |
Bmagic |
maybe I can't do both? |
| 11:55 |
Dyrcona |
Nah. There's no branch to fix the decode issue. |
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| 11:56 |
Dyrcona |
I don't know if anyone besides you is running 16.04 in production... |
| 11:56 |
Dyrcona |
Go through the OpenILS::SIP::* modules and remove the decode calls. |
| 11:57 |
Bmagic |
k, ill try that |
| 11:57 |
Dyrcona |
It appears that recent versions of Encode don't like calling decode on already decoded strings. Allowing that was considered a bug. |
| 11:57 |
Bmagic |
I could always install a vm on 14.04 just for sip |
| 11:57 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, that would work, too. |
| 11:57 |
Bmagic |
of course, Evergreen code is running on 16.04 as well.... |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
Right, but I've exercised much of the rest of Evergreen on 16.04, and haven't found any double decode issues. |
| 11:58 |
Bmagic |
that is a relief |
| 11:59 |
Dyrcona |
My understanding is the strings are being decoded by Evergreen backend calls and handed to the SIP module, which tries to decode it again. |
| 12:00 |
Bmagic |
for example this line? $text = NFD(decode_utf8($text)); |
| 12:01 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, that decode_utf8 is part of the problem. |
| 12:02 |
Bmagic |
so, blanket the whole thing, removing all calls to decode_utf8. got it |
| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
I'd try that. You might find you need to put some back, but I don't know for sure. |
| 12:05 |
Dyrcona |
I've not tested SIP extensively on 16.04, but I suppose that I should. |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
Trouble is, my day job has me doing other things, and I'm not that motivated to continue working on Evergreen in all of my free time. :) |
| 12:06 |
dbs |
Bmagic: I can tell you where we have clean_text for our many french users and items - although we're on ubuntu 14.04, there were clean_text() calls we had to add, not take away |
| 12:06 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
| 12:06 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Yeah, but that won't help with decode on Perl 5.20+. |
| 12:07 |
Dyrcona |
Adding clean_text to the AUTOLOAD functions is a good idea. |
| 12:08 |
Bmagic |
I wonder if this Encode.pm issue is part of another problem we are getting reports about. Merging records |
| 12:09 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: yeah, I really don't know about Perl 5.20. |
| 12:09 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: It is worth looking into. |
| 12:09 |
Dyrcona |
Merging records is one thing that I know I did not do on 16.04. |
| 12:10 |
dbs |
is it clear that the same problem does not impact perl 5.18? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1542495 mentions testing with 16.04 and Jessie, nothing about ubuntu 14.04 |
| 12:10 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1542495 in SIPServer "OpenILS::SIP::clean_text() can crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
| 12:11 |
Bmagic |
well, I removed that single call to decode in Sip.pm and boom, it's working |
| 12:12 |
Bmagic |
All of the other modules have no mention of decode |
| 12:13 |
dbs |
well that's good! |
| 12:13 |
Bmagic |
yep, on the right track |
| 12:13 |
Bmagic |
it would be great if I didnt have to install all of this on 14.04 |
| 12:13 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ |
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* Dyrcona |
gets something to eat. |
| 12:15 |
Bmagic |
I am concerned about some issues lurking in Evergreen code though. We are getting reports about errors when merging records. Error in bibs_abreast.js, merge_records(): TypeError:robj is null |
| 12:33 |
berick |
'robj is null' usually translates to 'something died on the server' |
| 12:58 |
kmlussier |
'something died on the server' would be a more useful message. |
| 12:58 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: The client code isn't that smart. It just knows that robj is null. It has no idea why. |
| 12:59 |
Dyrcona |
But yeah... |
| 12:59 |
Dyrcona |
Useful error messages are not our strong point. |
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Bmagic |
ok, here we go. The merging issue is a timeout. The database is still working on it asset.merge_record_assets ran for as many as 158 seconds |
| 13:08 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Yeah, that can happen with lots of copies and so on. |
| 13:13 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: Exlain analyze gives me "Index Only Scan using record_entry_pkey on record_entry bre (cost=0.43..8.70 rows=1 width=8) (actual time=135911.461..135911.505 rows=1 loops=1)" |
| 13:14 |
Bmagic |
This seems to affect DVDs more.... |
| 13:15 |
Dyrcona |
Are they trying to merge 158 records into 1? |
| 13:17 |
Bmagic |
just two bibs |
| 13:17 |
Bmagic |
that is the result of SELECT asset.merge_record_assets("bre".id,'1257328' ) AS "count" FROM biblio.record_entry AS "bre" WHERE "bre".id = '1932036'; |
| 13:19 |
Dyrcona |
Dunno. I've not looked at that much. |
| 13:20 |
Bmagic |
but I merge two other "books" and it finishes in a split second |
| 13:20 |
Dyrcona |
I really think it has to do with number of copies and/or parts. |
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* Dyrcona |
isn't finding much useful on Lp. |
| 13:28 |
Bmagic |
thanks for your time Dyrcona. It helps to bounce ideas around |
| 13:28 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
| 13:29 |
Bmagic |
I am going through each query in the merge sql function to find one that would be slow |
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Bmagic |
asset merge - moving the title holds takes 6443.882 ms per hold |
| 13:39 |
jeff |
well that's just unfortunate. OpenSRF Router used a source TCP port that Apache then wanted to use. |
| 13:40 |
dbs |
jeff: oh that's interesting |
| 13:41 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Sounds like a TCP stack issue...Race condition? |
| 13:41 |
jeff |
The port in question is fairly fixed externally, but that terminates at nginx. |
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Bmagic |
Dyrcona: it's the reporter_hold_request_record_trigger that is hogging the time! Which was changed/new in 2.11. I see it in 2.10.7-2.110 |
| 13:45 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ |
| 13:45 |
Bmagic |
that table used to be a view |
| 13:45 |
Bmagic |
now it's a table with triggered updates |
| 13:47 |
jeff |
I can change the port that Apache listens on to a less problematic port. |
| 13:48 |
jeff |
And have the nginx<->apache traffic go on that port, while the external<->nginx traffic stays on the "problematic" port. |
| 13:49 |
jeff |
"problematic" port is above 50000 |
| 13:50 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Guess I misunderstood. Thought this was an automatically allocated outgoing port. |
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jeff |
I could play with net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range also, but I think changing the port as bound by Apache is going to be the lower-impact change. |
| 13:53 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: This was the OpenSRF Router making an XMPP connection to ejabberd using an ephemeral source TCP port that happened to then conflict with the port that Apache was trying to Listen on for a special-purpose virtualhost. |
| 13:53 |
Dyrcona |
I see. |
| 13:54 |
dbs |
Bmagic: sounds like that table needs some indexes |
| 13:55 |
Bmagic |
maybe.... ah, yeah, probably at the very least an index on id lol |
| 13:57 |
Bmagic |
oh, wait, sorry, target |
| 13:58 |
graced |
Two minute warning to the EOB meeting |
| 13:58 |
Bmagic |
dbs: Dyrcona: the update trigger references the row by target |
| 13:58 |
rfrasur |
Just a reminder that the EOB meeting starts in two minutes. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
Oh, graced...we're on it. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
(on something) |
| 13:59 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, November 17, 2016 |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Nov 17 14:01:46 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__november_17__2016' |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-11-17 Agenda |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-meetbot Meetbot command cheatshee |
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graced |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:02 |
graced |
Oversight Board members, please introduce yourself with #info |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
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collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
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tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS |
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terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, Georgia PINES |
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rfrasur_ |
#info rfrasur_ is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:02 |
rfrasur_ |
#info rfrasur is also Ruth Frasur etc. |
| 14:02 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
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rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 14:03 |
graced |
We have a quorum. |
| 14:04 |
graced |
miker informed me he would be late and we're missing sherbertbc but I think we can continue |
| 14:04 |
graced |
#topic Approve Minutes/Actions from last meeting |
| 14:04 |
graced |
The minutes have been up for review since our last meeting. |
| 14:04 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-10-20-14.01.html |
| 14:04 |
graced |
Are there any corrections? |
| 14:05 |
graced |
Hearing no requests for corrections... |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#agreed The EOB accepted the minutes from the October 20 meeting |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#topic Old Business and Action items |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#info miker was to update the html format of the ROG changes for the governance page. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/governance/ |
| 14:06 |
graced |
It looks like this was done. |
| 14:06 |
miker |
#info miker is Mike Rylander, Equinox |
| 14:06 |
graced |
just in the nick of time! |
| 14:06 |
miker |
:) |
| 14:06 |
graced |
miker: you completed your action item then? ^ |
| 14:07 |
miker |
aye |
| 14:07 |
graced |
Clearly, then, gmcharlt completed his action item of, “Give Mike perms to edit governance page.” |
| 14:07 |
miker |
with a little help from my friends |
| 14:07 |
graced |
looks good, thanks |
| 14:07 |
miker |
well... rhamby changed the page for me |
| 14:07 |
miker |
IIRC |
| 14:07 |
miker |
rhamby++ |
| 14:07 |
graced |
rhamby++ |
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graced |
It really is a community effort sometimes. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
moving on. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#info afterl and graced were to follow up with the SFC on the NC check issue. |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
graced: I did not. Yet. Ver sorry. |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
Very. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
I did not follow up either. |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
Will follow up today. |
| 14:09 |
graced |
afterl++ thank you |
| 14:09 |
graced |
#action afterl to follow up with the SFC on the NC check issue |
| 14:09 |
graced |
As far as I know there are no other outstanding action items that weren’t completed or moved to the mailing list for discussion |
| 14:10 |
graced |
Other old business… |
| 14:10 |
graced |
#topic Revise wording on the Electing Officers |
| 14:10 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-November/001616.html for the discussion via the mailing list. |
| 14:10 |
graced |
#info We had some great discussion on that thread this week - thanks especially to Dan for his insight on the proposed changes. |
| 14:10 |
graced |
It just goes to show you never truly leave the EOB… dbs++ |
| 14:11 |
graced |
and thanks to all of you for your input on that thread |
| 14:11 |
graced |
Unless there’s more discussion to be had, I’ll try to synthesize and tidy up the input into something we can vote on via the mailing list. |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
+1 from me |
| 14:12 |
afterl |
+1 |
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terran |
+1 |
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rgagnon |
+1 |
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tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
miker |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
graced |
groovy |
| 14:12 |
graced |
#action graced to propose Officer Elections revisions for vote via mailing list |
| 14:12 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:12 |
graced |
#topic Size of the current Board |
| 14:12 |
graced |
#info general feedback is that our size is good for now |
| 14:12 |
graced |
Comments or dissent? |
| 14:13 |
terran |
I agree that the current size is good. |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
I think it is a a good size as is |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
Me, too |
| 14:13 |
rgagnon |
Seems like a good balance. |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
Yes to the current size |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
representative of the community but not overly large |
| 14:13 |
collum |
Me, too |
| 14:13 |
graced |
Cool. Always good to get a gut check, though. |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
Yep |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#topic Refund for EOB meeting travel |
| 14:14 |
graced |
Did everyone get afterl's email? |
| 14:14 |
rfrasur |
Did we get more takers beside Amy? |
| 14:15 |
graced |
No, Amy was the only one. |
| 14:15 |
graced |
The reimburesement amount is $403.88 |
| 14:15 |
graced |
Unless there are questions, shall we vote to proceed with her reimbursement? |
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terran |
Do you need a motion for that? |
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terran |
If so, I move to reimburse Amy. |
| 14:16 |
graced |
Yes, thank you for catching that. |
| 14:16 |
rgagnon |
Second |
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rfrasur_ |
+1 |
| 14:17 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to refund Amy Terlaga for travel expenses related to the Oversight Board Meeting at the Hackaway in accordance with our Rules of Governance? Yes, No, Abstain |
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pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to refund Amy Terlaga for travel expenses related to the Oversight Board Meeting at the Hackaway in accordance with our Rules of Governance? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:17 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
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rfrasur_ |
Yes |
| 14:17 |
miker |
yes |
| 14:17 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
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tspindler |
#vote Yes |
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terran |
#vote Yes |
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rfrasur_ |
#vote yes |
| 14:17 |
collum |
#vote yes |
| 14:17 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:17 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
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graced |
afterl are you abstaining? |
| 14:18 |
afterl |
#vote Abstain |
| 14:18 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:18 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to refund Amy Terlaga for travel expenses related to the Oversight Board Meeting at the Hackaway in accordance with our Rules of Governance?" Results are |
| 14:18 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): tspindler, rgagnon, rfrasur_, miker, graced, collum, terran |
| 14:18 |
pinesol_green |
Abstain (1): afterl |
| 14:18 |
graced |
#agreed The Board will refund afterl for her Hackaway expenses of $403.88 |
| 14:18 |
graced |
#action graced to request refund from the SFC for afterl |
| 14:18 |
afterl |
Thank you all. Very worthwhile trip |
| 14:19 |
terran |
I'm glad you are able to attend, Amy! |
| 14:19 |
terran |
*were* |
| 14:19 |
rfrasur_ |
agree |
| 14:19 |
graced |
note that normally the representative to the SFC would request reimbursement... but since the rep is the person being reimbursed, I thought it would be cleaner for me to do it. |
| 14:19 |
afterl |
Thanks, terran |
| 14:19 |
afterl |
Thanks, graced |
| 14:20 |
graced |
Is there is any further old business? |
| 14:20 |
graced |
Okay, moving on. |
| 14:20 |
graced |
#info Financial Update |
| 14:20 |
graced |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_10_19 |
| 14:20 |
graced |
wrong link |
| 14:21 |
graced |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_11_17 |
| 14:21 |
graced |
right link |
| 14:21 |
graced |
no change to the bottom line since the October report; our balance with Conservancy is $28,718.15 |
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| 14:21 |
rfrasur |
pardon |
| 14:22 |
graced |
rfrasur? did you have something to say? Or just pardoning because you keep getting booted from irc? |
| 14:22 |
rfrasur |
And Galen, you mentioned there was no change |
| 14:22 |
rfrasur |
the booting |
| 14:22 |
graced |
yes, no change to the bottom line |
| 14:23 |
graced |
comments/questions? |
| 14:23 |
rfrasur |
not from me |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
none here |
| 14:23 |
afterl |
No |
| 14:24 |
terran |
No |
| 14:24 |
collum |
no |
| 14:24 |
rgagnon |
No |
| 14:24 |
graced |
#topic Committee Reports |
| 14:24 |
graced |
#topic Conference Committee |
| 14:24 |
graced |
#info calls went out for preconference and regular session programs |
| 14:24 |
graced |
collum++ thank you |
| 14:25 |
graced |
#info the SFC has approved the sponsorship packet and logo |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
Excellent |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
Good news |
| 14:25 |
terran |
graced++ |
| 14:25 |
graced |
#info the hotel registration should be up next week (with any luck) |
| 14:25 |
afterl |
graced++ |
| 14:25 |
collum |
graced++ |
| 14:25 |
graced |
conference team++ |
| 14:26 |
graced |
We'll be doing a lot of work on the conference in the next 6 weeks, so stay tuned! |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
Yes, and thanks to Chauncey's staff for the logo |
| 14:26 |
terran |
Yes, they did a great job! |
| 14:26 |
graced |
Yes, in fact, I was going to propose a free registration to compensate Chauncey's staff member who made the logo. Thoughts? |
| 14:27 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
terran |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, I'm not against it. |
| 14:27 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
miker |
+1 |
| 14:27 |
graced |
That sounds like general agreement to me. |
| 14:28 |
graced |
Thank you, I'll add that to the conference notes. |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#agreed extend a free registration to the staff member who created the conference logo |
| 14:29 |
graced |
any questions about the conference before we move on? |
| 14:30 |
afterl |
None right now |
| 14:30 |
graced |
#topic Outreach Committee Business |
| 14:30 |
graced |
kmlussier: are you around? |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
I'm here |
| 14:31 |
kmlussier |
I added the Outreach Committee report to the agenda. |
| 14:31 |
kmlussier |
#info The Outreach Committee's main focus right now is developing a central message that can be used in materials, on the web site, etc. |
| 14:32 |
graced |
kmlussier: "I am Evergreen." :-) |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
We had some good feedback on this topic during the hack-a-way, but we need some time to gather the notes together. |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
Yes! 'I am Evergreen' was something we thought we could run with. |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
graced: Remind me, whose idea was that? |
| 14:33 |
graced |
uh... |
| 14:33 |
graced |
not mine? |
| 14:33 |
graced |
Does anyone else remember? |
| 14:34 |
graced |
I'll take that as a no. |
| 14:34 |
rhamby |
Someone else said it in an unrelated context and several of us in outreach independently thought of it for outreach when we heard it. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
Anyway, the other activity we'll need to start working on soon is the annual report. rhamby is looking for photos now that can be used for the report. If anybody has any, please share them with him. |
| 14:34 |
graced |
rhamby++ |
| 14:34 |
rhamby |
I can't remember who said it though the context was explaining to someone that Evergreen wasn't the name of a vendor. |
| 14:35 |
graced |
Oh right... I think it was Jason? |
| 14:35 |
afterl |
Which? |
| 14:35 |
graced |
S? |
| 14:35 |
afterl |
We have like 17 of them |
| 14:35 |
rhamby |
graced: that seems right |
| 14:35 |
graced |
It's true! |
| 14:35 |
rhamby |
Dyrcona = this Jason |
| 14:35 |
rhamby |
But JBoyer Jason was there too |
| 14:35 |
graced |
Well, regardless, Dyrcona will now get the blame |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
That's all I have for Outreach. |
| 14:36 |
graced |
and phasefx: the other Jason was also there. But I do think it was Dyrcona |
| 14:36 |
graced |
Any questions/comments for Outreach? |
| 14:36 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
afterl |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
collum |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
rgagnon |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:37 |
graced |
#topic Release Manager's Report |
| 14:37 |
graced |
miker? kmlussier? |
| 14:37 |
kmlussier |
graced: Who do you want to go first? |
| 14:38 |
graced |
kmlussier you go ahead |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
Not much to say about release 2.12 yet. I do have a proposed schedule |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
#link http://markmail.org/message/4jmxknraen6k7nqr |
| 14:39 |
kmlussier |
I'm putting my thoughts together over the next week about what needs to be done to get the web client ready for some production use in the 2.12 release. |
| 14:40 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
Not that I want to open a can of worms, is it definitely 2.12 just for my own notes, I don't want to argue about version numbers |
| 14:40 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:40 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:40 |
kmlussier |
tspindler: Yes, it's definitely 2.12. We settled that question at the hack-a-way. |
| 14:40 |
JBoyer |
tspindler, fear not, we had that argument at the hackaway. 2.12 it .s |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
yesitis212wewantnodebateitisdefintely212 |
| 14:40 |
gmcharlt |
*cough* |
| 14:40 |
graced |
well, that woke some people up ;) |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
We're looking at a fall 2017 release for 3.0. :) |
| 14:41 |
terran |
See what you missed, tspindler? :D |
| 14:41 |
graced |
miker: your release mgr update? |
| 14:41 |
tspindler |
it sounds good to have missed it |
| 14:41 |
tspindler |
like another event that shall remain nameless |
| 14:41 |
miker |
for my part, gmcharlt cut the build (as buildmaster) yesterday |
| 14:42 |
gmcharlt |
(and dbwells) |
| 14:42 |
miker |
a few bugs fixed since .0, so, go us |
| 14:42 |
terran |
gmcharlt++ dbwells++ miker++ |
| 14:42 |
miker |
sorry, yes, I'm crossing streams |
| 14:42 |
miker |
dbwells cut my 2.11.1 |
| 14:42 |
miker |
dbwells++ |
| 14:43 |
graced |
any questions for miker? |
| 14:43 |
miker |
not much else to say... :) |
| 14:44 |
graced |
all y'all++ |
| 14:44 |
graced |
moving on then |
| 14:44 |
graced |
#topic New Business |
| 14:45 |
graced |
#topic EOB Hack-a-way meetings |
| 14:45 |
graced |
I see value in continuing to meet mid-cycle, and at the Hackaway seems convenient for most. I think planning for a 1-day session with better a/v support for those who can’t come due to obligations or distance would be enough. Thoughts? |
| 14:45 |
miker |
big +1 |
| 14:45 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:45 |
miker |
I think it's very useful |
| 14:45 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:46 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:46 |
terran |
I'd prefer if it didn't conflict with dedicated Hack-a-way time. Perhaps the day before, or an evening, or Friday afternoon. |
| 14:46 |
graced |
terran: yes, I think the day before when most folks are travelling is ideal. |
| 14:47 |
graced |
Then those who need to/want to stay for the Hackaway or part of it can do so |
| 14:47 |
rgagnon |
Better a/v would be helpful, it was sometimes hard to hear the proceedings. |
| 14:47 |
collum |
better_av_than_collums_laptop++ |
| 14:48 |
graced |
better planning overall :) |
| 14:48 |
rfrasur |
agree with terran about not conflicting |
| 14:48 |
rfrasur |
and, of course, the AV. |
| 14:48 |
graced |
Okay, let's take that idea and plan with it. |
| 14:48 |
terran |
+1 |
| 14:48 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:48 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
collum |
The day before sounds perfect. |
| 14:49 |
graced |
#agreed Continuing mid-cycle meetings coinciding with the Hackaway is a good thing - just not during the hackaway time. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
+1 |
| 14:50 |
graced |
Which reminds me - does anyone object to the EOB meeting at the Evergreen Conference being held on Wed morning? |
| 14:50 |
rfrasur |
what constitutes morning? |
| 14:50 |
afterl |
Fine with me |
| 14:50 |
tspindler |
None as long as I know in advance. |
| 14:50 |
graced |
It's just about the only relatively conflict free time we'll get for a few hours of meeting. |
| 14:50 |
graced |
Morning being "before the developers really get going in the Hackfest" so 8-10am? |
| 14:50 |
rgagnon |
Advance notice for arrangements, please. |
| 14:50 |
graced |
9-11? |
| 14:51 |
afterl |
9-11 |
| 14:51 |
terran |
That's fine with me |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
9-11 |
| 14:51 |
afterl |
8-10, ha! |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
afterl++ |
| 14:51 |
* graced |
is an early bird |
| 14:52 |
graced |
okay, I'll make a note to the local conference committee that we'll need some space to meet that morning. |
| 14:52 |
rfrasur |
well, it's more of a "if one is traveling" thing |
| 14:52 |
graced |
#agreed plan for the EOB meeting at the Evergreen conference to be Wed am. exact time TBD |
| 14:53 |
graced |
Any other new business? |
| 14:54 |
graced |
hearing none... |
| 14:54 |
graced |
Our next meeting is 12/15 - see you all then! |
| 14:54 |
afterl |
bye! |
| 14:54 |
graced |
#end meeting |
| 14:55 |
graced |
#endmeeting |
| 14:55 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 14:55:00 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:55 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-11-17-14.01.html |
| 14:55 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-11-17-14.01.txt |
| 14:55 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-11-17-14.01.log.html |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
graced++ |
| 14:55 |
terran |
Happy thanksgiving! |
| 14:55 |
collum |
graced++ |
| 14:55 |
tspindler |
Happy Thankgiving also |
| 14:55 |
afterl |
graced++ |
| 14:55 |
tspindler |
graced++ |
| 14:55 |
rgagnon |
graced++ |
| 14:55 |
afterl |
Yes, to you all! |
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| 14:55 |
JBoyer |
If there aren't a dozen nametags at Covington that just say "Jason, no, the other one." we will have failed somewhere. |
| 14:55 |
terran |
JBoyer++ |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
Truth |
| 14:55 |
afterl |
funny |
| 14:56 |
kmlussier |
graced++ |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
I see that the Outreach Committee's "Recruit Jason" project was a smashing success! |
| 14:56 |
terran |
Ha! |
| 14:56 |
kmlussier |
I think we have just as many Dans. |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, it could be a competition |
| 14:56 |
miker |
graced++ |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
and a free round of beer for the team with the most representatives in attendance |
| 14:57 |
terran |
Can we get opposing team shirts? |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
Free beer? I wonder how hard it would be to recruit a bunch of Kathys. |
| 14:57 |
* gmcharlt |
waits for the submarine Recruit (K/C)athy Project to win it all |
| 14:57 |
gmcharlt |
*snap* |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:57 |
terran |
Pretty sure we'll have trouble finding a lot of Terrans or Galens. |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
Would Cathy count? |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier, I'm thinking no |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Wow! You're hard core. |
| 14:58 |
* rfrasur |
shrugs |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
it's a thing |
| 14:59 |
collum |
Hmm. The death of the name Gary. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/10/high-noon-for-gary-why-is-the-once-popular-name-on-the-verge-of-extinction |
| 15:00 |
terran |
collum: wow, sorry to hear about your loss |
| 15:01 |
graced |
collum: you are the last of your kind |
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| 15:12 |
berick |
miker: any objection to me removing the statusbar code (as part of my hatch work)? I don't imagine it will return in any form like what's there now. |
| 15:12 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: bug 1642721 |
| 15:12 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1642721 in Evergreen "SIP Ubuntu 16.04 Encode issue decode_utf8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642721 |
| 15:14 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: dbs: bug 1642715 |
| 15:14 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1642715 in Evergreen "EG 2.11 Merging records will time out with large amounts of holds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642715 |
| 15:14 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: OK. |
| 15:15 |
Dyrcona |
You're fist one is technically a duplicate. |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
right on |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
I get confused |
| 15:29 |
jeff |
Bmagic++ duplicates (within reason) are better than unreported bugs. :-) |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
It's not just Ubuntu 16.04, either. IIRC, Debian Jesssie is also affected. |
| 15:35 |
jeff |
correct. |
| 15:46 |
berick |
miker: nevermind, I just found bug 1564508 |
| 15:46 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1564508 in Evergreen "webstaff: remove statusbar, move Hatch connection indicator to hamburger menu" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564508 |
| 15:48 |
miker |
berick: sorry, yes, that :) |
| 15:48 |
berick |
no worries |
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berick |
@band add Hamburger Hatch |
| 16:43 |
pinesol_green |
berick: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jane Sandberg] Docs: documenting new authority features - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f0de98b> |
| 20:20 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kyle Huckins] LP#1528916 Patron Holds Ready/Total - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8defb7f> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Billy Horn] LP#1621799: disable checkout for inactive patrons - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2652801> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jane Sandberg] Docs: Incorporating overlay/merge profiles documentation from Evergreen in Action + new 2.11 feature - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4c1146f> |
