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pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Failure <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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| 10:49 |
Bmagic |
so with 2.11 do we need to create a new cron for badge_score_generator.pl ? |
| 10:52 |
Bmagic |
Also, oils_web.xml - what is that for? |
| 10:57 |
dbs |
http://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/install/README_2_1_1.html says "Many administration interfaces, such as acquisitions, bookings, and various configuration screens, depend on the correct configuration of HTML templates." |
| 10:58 |
dbs |
But it might have been removed ages ago |
| 10:58 |
dbs |
It's not in our 2.10 system for example |
| 10:59 |
dbs |
4fc8fa24f1 |
| 10:59 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: [evergreen|Dan Scott] Move templates out of a web-served directory - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4fc8fa2> |
| 10:59 |
dbs |
93182fe142 |
| 10:59 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: [evergreen|Bill Erickson] Removed sample oils_web.xml; removed from README - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=93182fe> |
| 11:15 |
Bmagic |
I have oils_web.xml in my openils/conf directory |
| 11:16 |
Bmagic |
So I guess it's not used anymore and we have just been carrying it forward |
| 11:16 |
bshum |
That happens all the time. |
| 11:16 |
Bmagic |
well, the buck stops here |
| 11:17 |
Bmagic |
and the file is not making it's way to the next version... making the world a beter place, one xml file at a time |
| 11:19 |
bshum |
Bmagic: For me, I found it entertaining to parse which files we could safely get rid of from jspac. I don't think I ever finished that project actually... hmm. |
| 11:19 |
bshum |
Oh well. |
| 11:19 |
bshum |
:D |
| 11:20 |
Bmagic |
In Evergreen, are we supposed to be able to search for "hart, j" and get author results for hart, john? |
| 11:35 |
bshum |
Bmagic: Maybe if it was "Hart, J*" ? |
| 11:36 |
bshum |
To hit all the words that start with J |
| 11:36 |
bshum |
Including John |
| 11:37 |
* bshum |
doesn't know enough about that stemming stuff that everybody always talks about |
| 11:37 |
bshum |
But I don't think J would be enough |
| 12:01 |
csharp |
@blame J |
| 12:01 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: J WILL PERISH UNDER MAXIMUM DELETION! DELETE. DELETE. DELETE! |
| 12:19 |
bshum |
"But in the Latin alphabet, Jehovah beings with an I..." |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
title holds on deleted temporary ncip bibs... metarecord hold on a metarecord that doesn't exist... "Processing of hold failed" is right. |
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| 13:21 |
hbrennan |
We're upgrading from EVG 2.9.0 to 2.11.0 today, and swore we needed to upgrade PostgreSQL... but notes don't indicate that. Can we stay on 9.1? |
| 13:27 |
dbs |
hbrennan: http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/dev/_evergreen_2_10_0_upgrade_notes.html says "In the next major release following 2.10.0, Evergreen will no longer officially support PostgreSQL 9.1." |
| 13:28 |
dbs |
I guess we should have added that to the upgrade notes for 2.11! |
| 13:28 |
hbrennan |
Yeah, a little confusing because the release notes say min supported is 9.1 |
| 13:28 |
dbs |
(aside, Evergreen master docs only show the 2.10 release notes, not the 2.11 ones.. hrm) |
| 13:28 |
hbrennan |
https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/install/README_2_11.html |
| 13:29 |
hbrennan |
sorry, install instructions |
| 13:29 |
hbrennan |
not release notes |
| 13:29 |
dbs |
yikes, those same install instructions mention Fedora 19 and 20 which are long dead themselves |
| 13:30 |
hbrennan |
hmm, so no good |
| 13:31 |
dbs |
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.11/_installing_prerequisites.html mentions a minimum of 9.1 as well. maybe it got a reprieve. |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
Well |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
That's cause I never finished my branch to make all those references say PG 9.3 |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
And also cause we didn't figure out what to do about Wheezy |
| 13:32 |
bshum |
Presumably 9.1 will still operate, based on what I know so far. I don't think we're using anything that explicitedly requires 9.3 or better |
| 13:32 |
bshum |
But I still recommend using 9.3 anyways |
| 13:32 |
hbrennan |
I'm going to sound real smart now because Nick's taking over my keyboard |
| 13:32 |
bshum |
If for no other reason cause PG 9.1 support ended back in September 2016 |
| 13:32 |
bshum |
So PostgreSQL community no longer supports it |
| 13:33 |
hbrennan |
trying to decide if pulling in the postgres ppa for 9.3 or staying with the 9.1.20 that is with ubuntu 12.04.05 is the better plan for the next 6 months |
| 13:33 |
bshum |
Technically, Ubuntu 12.04 is also unsupported too :) |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
Evergreen 2.11 removes Ubuntu 12.04 as a make target. |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
Although OpenSRF 2.4 doesn't support 16.04 and still has 12.04 as a make target. |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
So really Evergreen 2.11 should have shipped with min OpenSRF 2.5 to match that up |
| 13:34 |
hbrennan |
missed that one completely |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
But let's say that's a... quibble |
| 13:36 |
* bshum |
is only saying things that occur in his head aloud right now, but may or may not be representative of the actual intents by the developers at large |
| 13:36 |
bshum |
But yeah, Ubuntu 14.04 is the min Ubuntu version supported on 2.11.0 |
| 13:37 |
hbrennan |
so maybe just going up to 2.10.7 is the "better" choice |
| 13:37 |
hbrennan |
for the the conservative definition of better |
| 13:37 |
bshum |
Maybe, if you're not quite ready to upgrade the rest of your infrastructures. Though hey Ubuntu 12.04 support ends too in April 2017 I think. |
| 13:37 |
bshum |
So you don't have much time to get off it either. |
| 13:38 |
bshum |
14.04 is conservatively best choice, just cause I don't think anyone is using 16.04 in production. But I am out of touch lately. |
| 13:39 |
hbrennan |
yeah systemd in 16.04 is my hold up on production there |
| 13:39 |
bshum |
Fair enough, I only helped to test the installation procedures for 16.04; I haven't used it :) |
| 13:40 |
bshum |
at least not outside playtesting and developments |
| 13:41 |
hbrennan |
okay holly is sounding fine with feature upgrades in 2.10 train so that's the plan 2.10.7 and hit another maintinace window in Jan/Feb |
| 13:41 |
bshum |
For the conservatives, let's say Debian is your best bet. If you're a little more edgy, go with Ubuntu. And if you're crazy like dbs or csharp, there's always Fedora. |
| 13:41 |
hbrennan |
fedora isn't around long enough for production |
| 13:42 |
bshum |
Certainly not. But like I said, "crazy" |
| 13:42 |
bshum |
:D |
| 13:42 |
hbrennan |
and centos/rhel is mess |
| 13:42 |
hbrennan |
y too |
| 13:42 |
hbrennan |
unless you pay for rhel and even then..... |
| 13:43 |
bshum |
Let those KCLS guys tell you about RHEL and Evergreen. Right berick? :) |
| 13:43 |
bshum |
(no, don't let them, you want to sleep at night) |
| 13:43 |
dbs |
hey hey, I only run Fedora on my laptop, we're ubuntu 14.04 in production |
| 13:43 |
hbrennan |
okay thanks, I should have tracked this better |
| 13:43 |
bshum |
dbs++ # only half crazy :) |
| 13:43 |
dbs |
it's, uh, hard to track |
| 13:44 |
bshum |
Agreed, it's not well explained. |
| 13:44 |
hbrennan |
I'll turn the keyboard back over to holly and pull down 2.10.7 and openSRF 2.4.1 |
| 13:44 |
bshum |
ooooh, pretty, just installed and playing with pgAdmin 4 v 1.1! |
| 13:46 |
bshum |
Oh, right, today is a holiday for some people. No wonder it's quiet up in here... |
| 13:51 |
hbrennan |
Yep, some of us have to keep the world running |
| 13:51 |
hbrennan |
:P |
| 13:52 |
bshum |
We're finishing packing our old office today cause it's our last day before moving to a new building. I will miss my single office... going to be in a cubicle on open floor soon :\ |
| 13:53 |
* bshum |
goes back to playing with bubble wrap |
| 13:54 |
hbrennan |
Good luck with that! |
| 14:23 |
Bmagic |
hbrennan: we are upgrading to 2.11 tomorrow as well. We are moving to PG9.5/ubuntu 16.04 for what it's worth |
| 14:24 |
hbrennan |
Bmagic: We're feeling less than spunky today so we've decided to just go for 2.10.7 |
| 14:24 |
Bmagic |
that sounds good |
| 14:25 |
hbrennan |
We wanted someone else to jump first |
| 14:25 |
Bmagic |
usually I spend a few weeks going over everything before upgrading :) |
| 14:26 |
hbrennan |
You are the perfect candidate |
| 14:26 |
hbrennan |
Look forward to following you in the next few months |
| 14:26 |
Bmagic |
lol, I'll let you know Monday. Between disgruntled library calls.... |
| 14:26 |
hbrennan |
hehe |
| 14:27 |
Bmagic |
Along these same lines, we are excited that we are moving the services to the cloud tomorro! |
| 14:27 |
hbrennan |
ooooOOOOOhhhh |
| 14:28 |
hbrennan |
the clooooud\ |
| 14:28 |
Bmagic |
docker containers |
| 14:38 |
dbs |
docker, huh |
| 14:41 |
dbs |
doc the docker, I know others will be interested |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
bshum: have you set up pgadmin4 to use the web interface? that's the most exciting feature I've heard about (but not yet used) |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
hbrennan: if you're using ubuntu LTS, it's not much different than using Debian - and it has the advantage of being on a set support cycle whereas Debian's model is "release when ready" |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
(though the release cycles are super slow, more like CentOS/RHEL |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
) |
| 15:03 |
hbrennan |
csharp: Thanks! |
| 15:53 |
jeff |
1067 holds with multiple entries in action.hold_transit_copy for a total of 2181 rows. |
| 15:53 |
jeff |
(excluding self-transits) |
| 15:54 |
jeff |
some of these are likely "uncancelled" holds. |
| 15:56 |
jeff |
but some are cases where an item transited to fill a hold, but didn't make it to the holdshelf, and was placed back in a transit bin. by the time the patron comes in to pick up the item, it's gone already... sometimes still showing as "on hold shelf", sometimes showing as "in transit" again. |
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jeff |
(being "in transit" again if it made it to wherever it was sent, and was scanned there) |
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Bmagic |
so, do we have ruby edi working on 16.04? |
| 16:57 |
csharp |
Bmagic: I've not attempted it yet - I would probably start with the script I altered for trusty |
| 16:58 |
Bmagic |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/edi_translator/install-ubuntu-xenial.sh;h=6223070d3cbb0919918c3ff2ef3c8dc82d68735e;hb=HEAD |
| 16:58 |
Bmagic |
is what I am working from |
| 16:58 |
csharp |
ah cool |
| 16:59 |
Bmagic |
but sudo cp lib/openils/mapper.rb /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/openils-mapper-0.9.9/lib/openils/mapper.rb doesnt work because it looks like it should be /var/lib/gems/2.3.0/gems/openils-mapper-0.9.9/lib/edi/mapper.rb |
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csharp |
ah |
| 17:00 |
csharp |
yeah - it was kindof a brittle one-off that I didn't think much about forward porting |
| 17:00 |
csharp |
probably worth grabbing a ruby version string somehow so that won't break |
| 17:01 |
pinesol_green |
News from qatests: Test Failure <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
| 17:01 |
csharp |
pinesol_green: no, you're the failure |
| 17:01 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: have you tried local mean solar time for the named city as the reference point? |
| 17:01 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) |
| 17:01 |
csharp |
~bot |
| 17:01 |
pinesol_green |
Hi, I'm pinesol_green, the #evergreen channel bot. I do several useful things like log the channel (see http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/), track @karma, save messages for @later, and have several useful factoids like this one (factoid usage: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Using). |
| 17:03 |
csharp |
~no bot is <reply> Hi, I'm pinesol_green, the #evergreen channel bot. I do several useful things like log the channel (see http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/), track @karma, save messages for @later, and have several useful factoids like this one (factoid usage: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Using). |
| 17:03 |
pinesol_green |
I'll remember that csharp |
| 17:05 |
jeff |
I'm not sure that pinesol_green has any role in logging the channel. |
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* jeff |
points at serflog |
| 17:06 |
csharp |
ah - right - I was forgetting that |
| 17:06 |
csharp |
that factoid was added pre-serflog |
| 17:06 |
jeff |
heh |
| 17:07 |
csharp |
~no bot is <reply> Hi, I'm pinesol_green, the #evergreen channel bot. I do several useful things like track @karma, save messages for @later, and have several useful factoids like this one (factoid usage: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Using). |
| 17:07 |
pinesol_green |
I'll remember that csharp |
| 17:07 |
csharp |
~log |
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pinesol_green |
Factoid 'log' not found |
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bshum |
Technically pinesol is still logging too. We just don't publicize those logs as the forward facing point |
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