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rhamby |
good morning |
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* tsbere |
appears to have what he thinks may be a supposed court summons of some kind in his email....maybe? It happens to be in a language he doesn't actually speak, so... |
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Dyrcona |
heh. |
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tsbere |
Dyrcona: For that matter, your old email account has one too. |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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Dyrcona |
Speaking of email: I broke authentication with dovecot yesterday by installing updates and not restarting the daemon. |
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tsbere |
Yea, that can happen |
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Dyrcona |
I didn't notice there was a dovecot update, and the child being spawned for authentication refused to authenticate anyone because its version did not match that of the parent. |
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dbwells |
Has anyone here developed a query/report for unfillable holds? I mean holds where every copy on the record has become lost/missing/discarded/etc.. |
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Dyrcona |
I think MVLC has something like that. |
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* Dyrcona |
dashes off to another meeting. |
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dbwells |
I see that jeff and tsbere talked about recently here: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2016-01-13 |
| 11:01 |
tsbere |
dbwells: I have queries and reports for that |
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tsbere |
dbwells: For "fully unfillable" I generally just link to the hold copy map table and filter on said table having zero rows for the hold (assuming the hold is not frozen) |
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tsbere |
dbwells: But my more complicated report also covers "only one system can fill the hold" in case that system is not currently able to fill them (say, closed for some reason) |
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dbwells |
tsbere: I'll try the hold_copy_map route and see how that goes. Thanks for the tip. |
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tsbere |
dbwells: If you want my more complicated query I can pull it out of the report file |
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dbwells |
tsbere: Thanks for the offer, I'll let you know if I get stuck. |
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* dbwells |
hasn't had to worry too much about holds in the past |
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tspindler |
The Rules of Governance Taskforce will be meeting in 5 minutes. I have put up a google doc with the agenda (see https://docs.google.com/document/d/11mobHbfZMQIWIXV70QlbM7ZEL8CKO0SbOT3eJuOfmDI/edit?usp=sharing) |
| 14:57 |
terran |
rfrasur: did you finish your meetings? |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
terran, just. getting stuff together for this one. my brain is fried though. |
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jeff |
tspindler: got it -- or should i say, "roger"! |
| 14:58 |
terran |
jeff: groan |
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* jeff |
grins |
| 14:58 |
terran |
rfrasur: me too - somehow I have at least 3 more large projects on my plate now |
| 14:59 |
rfrasur |
I'm just not looking anymore. This is the one. Hopefully there are some fresher brains than us to lead this. |
| 15:01 |
terran |
tspindler++ for wrangling |
| 15:03 |
rfrasur |
It's 3:03. Ready to go? |
| 15:03 |
miker |
+1 |
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rfrasur |
I'm gonna go ahead and post the text from the git repo that miker sent through the email for the conflict of interest. |
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rfrasur |
167 Conflicts of Interest |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
168 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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rfrasur |
169 |
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rfrasur |
170 Any Board member who has a financial, personal, or official interest in, or |
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rfrasur |
171 conflict with any matter pending before the board, of such nature that it may |
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rfrasur |
172 prevent that member from acting on the matter in an impartial manner, shall |
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rfrasur |
173 voluntarily refrain from voting on said matter. |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
That's what's there now. |
| 15:04 |
tspindler |
yes I'm her |
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tspindler |
here |
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tspindler |
#startmeeting Rules of Governance Taskforce |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jul 7 15:05:53 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is tspindler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:05 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'rules_of_governance_taskforce' |
| 15:06 |
tspindler |
Please announce your attendance with info |
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tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, C/W MARS |
| 15:06 |
miker |
#info miker is Mike Rylander |
| 15:06 |
collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 15:06 |
terran |
#info Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:06 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana, Hagerstown |
| 15:06 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 15:06 |
terran |
sorry... |
| 15:07 |
terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:07 |
tspindler |
here is the agenda again if you didn't see above note |
| 15:07 |
tspindler |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11mobHbfZMQIWIXV70QlbM7ZEL8CKO0SbOT3eJuOfmDI/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:08 |
tspindler |
#topic Conflict of Interest Policy |
| 15:08 |
tspindler |
I thought we might begin but considering what should be considerd in a policy. Did others read what terran and/or I posted? |
| 15:09 |
miker |
I did |
| 15:09 |
tspindler |
One clear area for me is financial interest |
| 15:10 |
rgagnon |
Yes (or most of it) and I think there are some good models there. |
| 15:10 |
collum |
Yes |
| 15:11 |
tspindler |
would you rather looking at copying an existing example or create a new one? |
| 15:11 |
rgagnon |
Does the Conservancy have any requirements of us? They must have one also -- do we need to use theirs? |
| 15:11 |
terran |
There were a few concepts that I kept running across 1) disclosure of relationships, 2) board rather than individual determines potential conflict of interest, 3) inclusion of both financial and non-financial conflicts / 'perceived' conflicts |
| 15:11 |
miker |
tspindler: to that point, the OSGeo one looks like good models for financial conflict identification |
| 15:12 |
miker |
s/models/model/ |
| 15:12 |
tspindler |
rgagnon: i'm not sure if there is anything in addition to what is in the bylaws which rfrasur posted above |
| 15:13 |
miker |
my understanding is that the SFC is intentionally hands-off, as long as there is something in place |
| 15:13 |
tspindler |
#info OSGEO Policy https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conflict_Of_Interest_Policy |
| 15:13 |
rgagnon |
I liked that OSGeo said, not "impartial" like we have now, but "always act in the best interest of the organization". |
| 15:14 |
tspindler |
I like the OSGEO policy because it is fairly simple and straightforward and not overly complex |
| 15:14 |
collum |
I just looked through the SFC agreement. I didn't see anything. |
| 15:15 |
rfrasur |
I agree with that - fairly simple and straightforward. As well as the comment that "impartial" is not the best wording. |
| 15:15 |
terran |
The SFC has one for their own staff: https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies/commits/ac5f0f5c7a7dd7ccd48fcbc6f36c83aefaa61f5e?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob;f=Conflicts/conflict-of-interest-policy.txt;h=5e7b220ac803f3c674835a57e16b326a2e9f54ec;hb=HEAD |
| 15:16 |
tspindler |
What does everyone think about cribbing and exisitng policy or pulling in pieces from multiple policies? |
| 15:17 |
rfrasur |
I think I do that on a daily basis. |
| 15:17 |
terran |
+1 |
| 15:17 |
tspindler |
The SFC policy looks pretty comprehensive |
| 15:17 |
rfrasur |
I like the SFC policy a lot, honestly. More than OSGEO. It'd need tweaking, obviously. |
| 15:18 |
terran |
Reading through the SFC one now - I like it so far |
| 15:18 |
rgagnon |
The SFC is more complicated than I expected. |
| 15:19 |
terran |
We could probably simplify some of it. But the types of conflicts they would face are probably very similar to ours. |
| 15:19 |
miker |
I like the allowed-abstension to establish quarum in OSGeo, which is prohibited in the SFC one |
| 15:19 |
rfrasur |
miker, I was just going to ask about that. |
| 15:19 |
miker |
because our board is 1) small 2) from a small community |
| 15:19 |
terran |
Yes, I agree |
| 15:19 |
collum |
Me, too. |
| 15:21 |
tspindler |
would it it make sense then for a couple people to whittle the SFC one down into something more appropriate for our board? |
| 15:21 |
terran |
+1 |
| 15:21 |
rfrasur |
+1 |
| 15:21 |
miker |
the SFC one has a lot we don't need (PLC stuff) |
| 15:21 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 15:21 |
collum |
+1 |
| 15:21 |
rfrasur |
miker, yep. It does. There shall be many shavings from the whittling. |
| 15:22 |
miker |
+1 # I think I'll end up comparing the whittled version to the OSGeo one, and a couple other streamlined ones, to see if we need ALL THE WORDS ;) |
| 15:22 |
tspindler |
I can work on this and I would suggest the goal be to retain certain components and shed others. |
| 15:22 |
terran |
tspindler++ |
| 15:22 |
rfrasur |
tspindler++ |
| 15:23 |
rgagnon |
tspindler++ |
| 15:23 |
collum |
I have a feeling if I did the whittling, it would look a lot like the OSGeo model. |
| 15:23 |
miker |
what they said |
| 15:23 |
collum |
tspindler++ |
| 15:23 |
tspindler |
My intent would be to bring back a draft for review by this taskforce. However, would someone want to work with me on this. |
| 15:23 |
miker |
tspindler: happy to |
| 15:24 |
rgagnon |
I'd be willing to look it over, also |
| 15:24 |
tspindler |
#action tspindler, miker, and rgagnon will review the SFC conflict of interest policy editing it down for use by the Evergreen board |
| 15:25 |
tspindler |
#action tspindler will present revised draft to the taskforce at the next meeting |
| 15:25 |
terran |
One part that I think should be different is the disclosure portion - they have their members filling out a disclosure form every 6 months, but I think it might be more useful to address disclosure at the beginning of a pertinent discussion rather than trying to track that ever-changing list |
| 15:25 |
miker |
one point I'd like to address before we move on |
| 15:25 |
miker |
heh ... yes, htat |
| 15:26 |
miker |
does anyone want the EOB to maintain a standing conflict list? |
| 15:26 |
tspindler |
#info SFC Policy at https://gitorious.org/conservancy/policies/commits/ac5f0f5c7a7dd7ccd48fcbc6f36c83aefaa61f5e?p=conservancy:policies.git;a=blob;f=Conflicts/conflict-of-interest-policy.txt;h=5e7b220ac803f3c674835a57e16b326a2e9f54ec;hb=HEAD |
| 15:27 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, miker, I don't. I agree with terran about having it at the beginning of a pertinent discussion. I suspect having a standing conflict list would be one more thing to maintain. |
| 15:27 |
tspindler |
I wonder if the board would signoff on agreeing to the policy at the beginning of each new year? The C/W MARS board signs off on a conflict of interest policy at the start of the fiscal year |
| 15:27 |
terran |
I wouldn't want to maintain it, that's for sure. |
| 15:28 |
terran |
tspindler: I think that's a good idea. |
| 15:28 |
rfrasur |
tspindler, that's a good idea. If nothing else, it's either an affirmation that the existing policy is good or a reminder to do some more tweaking. |
| 15:28 |
terran |
Another reason for disclosure at the beginning of discussions would be to have a record of it in the meeting notes. |
| 15:28 |
collum |
terran++ |
| 15:29 |
tspindler |
our attorney suggested to be sure all members are aware of a policy |
| 15:29 |
miker |
sure. signoff should follow the election, obv. |
| 15:29 |
rgagnon |
We do the annual signing as well, recommended by our auditor. It's a question on non-profit IRS Form 990 filings. |
| 15:29 |
terran |
Perhaps sign-off at the annual meeting each year? |
| 15:29 |
tspindler |
signoff is different than disclosures though |
| 15:29 |
miker |
terran: if we continue with the pre-meeting elections, +1 |
| 15:29 |
miker |
from me |
| 15:30 |
rgagnon |
Annual meeting makes sense to me. |
| 15:30 |
terran |
tspindler: yes, was speaking of the policy sign-off |
| 15:30 |
rfrasur |
tspindler, it is. But I think there's the potential for conflicts to rise and fall depending on what type of discussion is being had. |
| 15:30 |
tspindler |
ok, when we look at editing the policy we will look at one signoff a year |
| 15:30 |
terran |
Yes - policy signoff once per year, disclosure at the start of each discussion topic |
| 15:31 |
rfrasur |
+1 |
| 15:31 |
tspindler |
terran: got it |
| 15:31 |
miker |
should we add a standing disclosure entry to the front of every discussion item, to remind us? once we have a policy, obv |
| 15:31 |
miker |
as in, on the agenda |
| 15:32 |
miker |
just a reminder for the meeting manager to say "any conflicts to disclose?" |
| 15:32 |
tspindler |
miker: it sounds a bit overly bureaucratic but I'm open to it |
| 15:32 |
collum |
Disclosure before a discussion or vote, or when the person feels that there is a conflict? |
| 15:32 |
terran |
that would be a good reminder - many topics won't have anything to disclose, but it'd be a good habit to get into |
| 15:32 |
rfrasur |
It's an important thing to the community. I think it's a good reminder. |
| 15:32 |
collum |
The policy right now is to refrain from voting. |
| 15:33 |
tspindler |
ok, so do we include the reminder language as part of the policy? |
| 15:34 |
tspindler |
or is it going to be recommeded for the board chair? |
| 15:34 |
miker |
tspindler: I don't think so ... |
| 15:34 |
miker |
the latter, IMO |
| 15:34 |
rfrasur |
I don't think so either. Just add it to the agenda. |
| 15:35 |
rfrasur |
Or have the board chair add it to the agenda. |
| 15:35 |
tspindler |
#agree rfrasur |
| 15:35 |
tspindler |
anything more than on the conflict of interest policy? |
| 15:36 |
miker |
target date for getting a draft out to this committee? just "next meeting of this committee"? |
| 15:36 |
rfrasur |
I think, from my standpoint, that's a really good starting point, and we'll need to wait to see the whittled and glued together draft to see if there's more work to be done on it. |
| 15:36 |
terran |
I am happy to allow tspindler and miker to take a crack at it first |
| 15:37 |
tspindler |
miker: i would leave it open but I think I can start looking at it in the next couple of weeks and then send a copy to you and rgagnon |
| 15:37 |
miker |
+1 |
| 15:37 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 15:38 |
terran |
tspindler++ miker++ rgagnon++ |
| 15:38 |
tspindler |
ok next topic |
| 15:38 |
tspindler |
#topic Rules of Governance |
| 15:38 |
tspindler |
I did not have a good plan of what we wanted to do with this. Any suggestions? |
| 15:39 |
tspindler |
Is there anything anyone has seen in the rules that should be changed? |
| 15:40 |
rfrasur |
Not really. I think the biggest thing was the Conflict of Interest policy. |
| 15:40 |
terran |
I haven't looked at it that closely yet, but there are few things that are out of date - list of board cohorts, date of next election date, date of certification |
| 15:41 |
tspindler |
terran: would you mind going through it and identifying those areas that need updating? |
| 15:41 |
tspindler |
at least with specifics like this? |
| 15:41 |
rfrasur |
The only other thing would be, still, language about executive sessions, but that's something the EOB is working on. |
| 15:41 |
terran |
tspindler: I can do that |
| 15:42 |
tspindler |
#action terran will review rules of governance looking for things that were out of date including the list of board cohorts, date of next election, date of certification |
| 15:42 |
tspindler |
#info official rules of governance version to use is http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=blob;f=governance.txt |
| 15:43 |
tspindler |
since the EOB is looking at executive session issues we don't need to touch that |
| 15:43 |
tspindler |
anything else? |
| 15:44 |
rfrasur |
not from me. |
| 15:45 |
terran |
good to me - I will read through the other sections more closely before the next meeting. |
| 15:45 |
terran |
Sounds |
| 15:45 |
collum |
nothing from me. |
| 15:45 |
tspindler |
ok would you like me to send a doodle poll for the next meeting? I would aim for about a month from now? |
| 15:45 |
miker |
+1 |
| 15:45 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
Yup, if you wouldn't mind |
| 15:45 |
rfrasur |
+1 |
| 15:45 |
terran |
+1 |
| 15:46 |
collum |
+1 |
| 15:46 |
tspindler |
ok it looks like we can adjourn then. |
| 15:46 |
terran |
Cheers! |
| 15:46 |
tspindler |
#endmeeting |
| 15:46 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jul 7 15:46:47 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-07-07-15.05.html |
| 15:46 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-07-07-15.05.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-07-07-15.05.log.html |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
y'all are awesome. |
| 15:46 |
miker |
tspindler++ |
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tspindler |
first time using meetbot |
| 15:47 |
collum |
tspindler++ |
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rfrasur |
tspindler++ |
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rgagnon |
tspindler++ |
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terran |
tspindler++ for taming meetbot |
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jeff |
git rebase reality/master |
| 16:23 |
bshum |
fatal: Needed a single revision |
| 16:23 |
bshum |
invalid upstream reality/master |
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* Dyrcona |
read the scroll back of the meeting. |
| 16:34 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: git fetch reality |
| 16:34 |
Dyrcona |
fatal: 'reality' does not appear to be a git repository |
| 16:35 |
bshum |
Haha Dyrcona++ :) |
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jeff |
huh. "adjust to zero" isn't in the web staff client that i can see. |
| 16:57 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. I never looked for it there. |
| 16:58 |
Dyrcona |
Is this on your regular installation or a concerto test instance? |
| 16:58 |
Dyrcona |
I ask because in the xul staff client whether or not the option displays is based on permissions. |
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* jeff |
nods |
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jeff |
i have the permission, i don't see the option in the web staff client, i do see the option in the xul client. |
| 16:59 |
jeff |
i'll dig further. |
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Dyrcona |
OK. |
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* Dyrcona |
disappears in a puff of reality. |
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kmlussier |
jeff: I think you're right. I've been meaning to check into it and file a bug report, but it keeps getting buried in my to-do list. |
| 17:02 |
kmlussier |
I say that as if I had an actual to-do list rather than a running mental tally of all the things I want to do. |
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jwoodard |
@weather |
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pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Aubrey, TX :: Clear :: 95F/35C | Heat Index: 103F/40C | Thursday: Partly cloudy and windy. Lows overnight in the upper 70s. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy. Windy this evening. Low 77F. Winds S at 20 to 30 mph. |
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kmlussier |
@weather |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Rain :: 76F/24C | Thursday: Scattered thunderstorms. Lows overnight in the upper 60s. Thursday Night: Thunderstorms likely, especially this evening. Low 67F. Winds S at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%. |
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kmlussier |
Ooh! Maybe I can turn off the a/c tonight. |
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