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| 10:01 |
miker |
@later tell bmills to provide some background on what jeff was saying, stock switched from naco_normalize to search_normalize at some point in the long past, and the main change was apostrophe handling. if you upgraded across that boundary and have not since reingested, you'd see what you're seeing. |
| 10:01 |
pinesol_green |
miker: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:20 |
mmorgan |
miker: (or anyone) A related question. Will any entry in config.metabib field that's not explicitly referenced in metabib_field_index_norm_map use search_normalize by default? |
| 10:39 |
JBoyer |
Today = (start_servers * app_server_count > db_max_connections) ? EXCITEMENT : Boredom ; |
| 10:40 |
jeff |
miker++ thanks for the background. i had blocked or forgotten some of the specifics. :-) |
| 10:41 |
miker |
mmorgan: nope, must be explicit |
| 10:42 |
jeff |
JBoyer: from curses.apocryphal import MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes |
| 10:44 |
mmorgan |
Ok, thanks! |
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* mmorgan |
goes to check the normalization maps. |
| 10:46 |
mmorgan |
miker++ |
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| 11:31 |
jvwoolf |
Hi folks! I'm curious anybody is using this OUS: Target copies for a hold even if copy's circ lib is closed IF the circ lib is the hold's pickup lib |
| 11:32 |
jvwoolf |
We have tested it with two libraries, they haven't noticed much of a difference. |
| 11:36 |
mmorgan |
jvwoolf: We have this set to true for all of our libraries. |
| 11:37 |
mmorgan |
We still have situations where the hold gets retargeted before the library can act on it. |
| 11:38 |
jvwoolf |
mmorgan: Does that happen often? |
| 11:39 |
mmorgan |
If a hold is placed at 8pm on a Saturday and the library is closed on Sunday, the owning library gets targeted initially, but the hold gets retargeted at 8pm on Sunday, so it's not on their pull list on Monday morning. |
| 11:40 |
jvwoolf |
That makes sense |
| 11:40 |
mmorgan |
Not sure exactly how often it happens, but I would suspect frequently. |
| 11:42 |
tsbere |
We get that kind of situation frequently |
| 11:43 |
tsbere |
And then questions about "it was on our shelf! why weren't *we* told to pull it?" |
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* mmorgan |
remembers a recent irc discussion, tries to locate. |
| 11:45 |
jvwoolf |
tsbere: That's the sort of this we're hoping to mitigate. |
| 11:45 |
jvwoolf |
It will be harder over the summer, when most libraries are closed on Sundays. |
| 11:46 |
JBoyer |
What's the hold soft stalling time set to? |
| 11:46 |
tsbere |
jvwoolf: We also get that every so often with a library that was open on the day they would have had the item on their pull list....but for whatever reason, they don't run a pull list on that day of the week |
| 11:47 |
jvwoolf |
JBoyer: 3 days |
| 11:48 |
JBoyer |
Also, I just looked that setting up and it's not what I thought it was. Oops. |
| 11:48 |
JBoyer |
(It's for opportunistic captures, not pull lists.) |
| 11:48 |
jvwoolf |
Oh yeah. I always get that confused, too. |
| 11:48 |
mmorgan |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2016-05-11#i_247279 |
| 11:51 |
jvwoolf |
mmorgan++ Interesting conversation |
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| 13:17 |
terran |
Has anybody here tried to use two added content sources in Evergreen at once? (For example, Syndetics and Content Cafe?) |
| 13:18 |
tsbere |
terran: I know people have talked about it, but the way the system is built I don't believe there is any way to right now |
| 13:19 |
tsbere |
terran: Well, beyond "local override and outside service" anyway |
| 13:21 |
terran |
tsbere: I suspected that was probably the case. There'd probably need to be additional logic built in to tell the system which one should take precedence in different situations or for different types of data. |
| 13:22 |
tsbere |
terran: A new "multiple" module could, in theory, handle most of that. "Ask this one, if it doesn't have the data, ask that one" though how detailed you want that would vary. But I don't know if anyone has considered writing one. |
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terran |
tsbere++ |
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* jeff |
digs into recent billing changes |
| 13:50 |
jeff |
if i'm not back in a few days, send help. |
| 13:51 |
tsbere |
jeff: At least ensure you have a shovel to dig yourself out. ;) |
| 14:42 |
jeff |
billing_type vs btype: we meet again. |
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StomproJ |
hostedexchange-- |
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* Dyrcona |
tries vmbuilder on his personal laptop. |
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* Dyrcona |
guesses at the network configuration. |
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| 15:26 |
csharp |
@decide billing_type or btype |
| 15:26 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: go with btype |
| 15:27 |
csharp |
pinesol_green: okay - as long as there's just one |
| 15:27 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: You probably want hard-boiled eggs. |
| 15:27 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) |
| 15:27 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 15:27 |
* csharp |
went a little crosseyed earlier looking for payment type in the DB, still don't know where it is anymore, but I don't have the time to look at the mo |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: It's determined mostly by which child table of money.payment it ends up in. |
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| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
Well, my vm started, let's see if I can connect via ssh or if I need to fix it with virt-manager. |
| 15:31 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: ah - okay - that was where I had left it and was going to follow up |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
"No route to host." |
| 15:32 |
csharp |
@excuse |
| 15:32 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: You probably want hard-boiled eggs. |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
heh. Dylan's getting a workout today. |
| 15:32 |
jlitrell |
Who doesn't, really? |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
jlitrell: SPY! |
| 15:33 |
jlitrell |
VIVA LA RESISTANCE! |
| 15:33 |
tsbere |
csharp: There are views that provide you with some of that. money.payment_view is the least specific, I think. |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
I LOOOOVE the Resistance! |
| 15:33 |
hbrennan |
ha |
| 15:33 |
jlitrell |
Lies and fabrications, and prevarications. |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
tsbere: cool - got it |
| 15:33 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe I need to configure vnet0 on the host, but networking always ends up a little messed on xenial with vmbuilder. |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
"Lies and propaganda....Walk it down, talk it down...." ;) |
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* jlitrell |
stares into Dyrcona's eyes |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
What's up with the updates on Ubuntu today? Third time it's telling me there are updates. |
| 15:35 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: Maybe the updates are a lie. ;) |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
Nope.... |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
bzr liboxide-qt and more. |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
"How bizarre...." :) |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, it works after fixing eth0 to ens3. |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
Timezone is UTC despite the config saying America/New_York, but I'll leave it to test some branches. |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Getting to the vm from the laptop works, but getting to the internet from the vm, not so much. |
| 15:44 |
JBoyer |
I wish the installer "choose a timezone" screen listed the same options as dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, because Ubuntu defaults to HAST or some other strangeness for Indiana even though we gave up and went regular EST/EDT years ago. :-/ |
| 15:44 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: Sounds like you don't have NAT for the bridge interface working |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, that's what it is looking like. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: In this case, it appears to be a vmbuilder with xenial thing. |
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| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
It configures the wrong network device and does not set the timezone. |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
Everything else seems to work. |
| 15:49 |
JBoyer |
I didn't figure that was the issue you were seeing, I was just grousing in general. :) |
| 15:49 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that's nice, I can't find the configuration for virbr0.... |
| 15:50 |
tsbere |
Is it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:51 |
tsbere |
Or maybe something finally decided to use /etc/network/interfaces.d/? |
| 15:52 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: Neither. |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
wlan0 isn't there, either. |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
I'm suspecting systemd changes..... |
| 15:53 |
* tsbere |
isn't up to speed on how the GUI interfaces configure things |
| 15:53 |
tsbere |
Mainly because I never use them |
| 15:54 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, Is the host Xenial also, or are you having trouble finding the config inside the VM? |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
The host is xenial also, and this is the host. |
| 15:55 |
Dyrcona |
Stuff was where I expected on the vm. |
| 15:55 |
JBoyer |
Sounds like this will be a fun upgrade. |
| 15:58 |
Dyrcona |
I upgraded vhost4 at MVLC with no problem. |
| 15:58 |
Dyrcona |
This is my first time setting up a vm from scratch on xenial. |
| 15:59 |
Dyrcona |
I'm mildly surprised it is going this well. :) |
| 15:59 |
tsbere |
And I think he is on "Desktop" xenial and not "Server" xenial. |
| 15:59 |
tsbere |
Which changes a lot :P |
| 16:00 |
jlitrell |
Qt give it away? :) |
| 16:00 |
tsbere |
jlitrell: Knowing his plans in advance, and the fact he said he was doing this on his laptop earlier. |
| 16:00 |
jlitrell |
Oh. Cheater. |
| 16:00 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 16:00 |
jlitrell |
Gentoo just stabilized plasma5 and it's a friggin' mess. |
| 16:01 |
jlitrell |
The one disadvantage of running the same install since 2002. :-D |
| 16:01 |
JBoyer |
tsbere, ah, that makes sense. I know there's a lot of "Here let us help you" that I don't want any part of on a server that comes along. |
| 16:02 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: I found it, and virbr0 says Forwarding: NAT. :( |
| 16:04 |
Dyrcona |
jlitrell: mir isn't quite ready for pime time. It has issues with font rendering at times, to the point where windows are "blank." |
| 16:07 |
csharp |
I see in Fedora is planning to make wayland the default in F25 |
| 16:07 |
csharp |
s/in Fedora/that Fedora/ |
| 16:10 |
jlitrell |
Dyrcona, sounds about right. Why piggyback on somebody else's work when you can make your own? |
| 16:10 |
* jlitrell |
shakes his fist at fancy picture-drawing code |
| 16:12 |
jlitrell |
Wayland to me now feels like Perl 6. If they ship it by default though, that'll help a bunch. |
| 16:13 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. I can see that. |
| 16:13 |
jlitrell |
And then F26 they go back to X. :-D |
| 16:13 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 16:14 |
Dyrcona |
So, I'm missing something.... |
| 16:14 |
Dyrcona |
virbr0 on my laptop is configured the same as on vhost4. |
| 16:14 |
Dyrcona |
I must need to add another interface? |
| 16:19 |
JBoyer |
Oh, laptop. Have you gotten this to work in the past, or is this the first time you've tried to host a vm on a laptop? |
| 16:20 |
JBoyer |
I don't know about on Linux, but in Windows I've not had any luck bridging the wireless in a way that actually lets things communicate. Very frustrating. :-/ |
| 16:20 |
JBoyer |
(specifically because it's wireless. wired always works fine.) |
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Dyrcona |
First time trying on a laptop. |
| 16:22 |
Dyrcona |
I think I know what it is. |
| 16:22 |
Dyrcona |
Everything looks right, but I bet the bridge goes to eth0 and not wlan0. |
| 16:26 |
Dyrcona |
Siince I haven't found where that configuration is stored, yet, I'm going to go plug into my LAN port on my router. |
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| 16:39 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that made a mess of things. :) |
| 16:57 |
Dyrcona |
@later tell JBoyer This laptop was upgraded from 14.04 to 16.04. It has the same old device names. I never did learn where NetworkManager stores its data. |
| 16:57 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:57 |
Dyrcona |
So, I'm going to have to set up my own bridge it looks like.... |
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| 17:15 |
Dyrcona |
Um, ok.... |
| 17:15 |
Dyrcona |
Just change my DNS server and it is working, apparently. |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: nmcli provides *some* insight about what's what |
| 17:20 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Yeah, but looks like networking was working, but DNS was not. |
| 17:20 |
csharp |
ah, I see |
| 17:21 |
csharp |
network bridging on a laptop is when I revert to good ol' virtualbox (despite its many downsides) |
| 17:24 |
Dyrcona |
Telling it to use the virbr0 address for the dns server works because dnsmasq. |
| 17:25 |
Dyrcona |
Helps not to typo the DNS nameserver in the first place. :( |
| 17:25 |
Dyrcona |
*embarrassed emoji* |
| 17:25 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, well. Wouldn't be me without typos. :) |
| 17:25 |
csharp |
:-D |
| 17:26 |
Dyrcona |
Anyway, it's working, now. |
| 17:26 |
Dyrcona |
So, I'll wait and install Evergreen tomorrow. |
| 17:34 |
Dyrcona |
Don't think I'll be making many more VMs for the laptop, though, but who knows? |
| 17:34 |
Dyrcona |
And I realize it is after 5:00 on the East Coast... |
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