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kmlussier |
Happy Monday #evergreen! |
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mmorgan |
kmlussier: Good Morning! |
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Bmagic |
GOOOOOOD mornin' |
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rfrasur |
Morning, bmagic :-) |
| 11:09 |
Bmagic |
Let the coffee commence! |
| 11:09 |
Bmagic |
@coffee |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya AA Mathareini, and sends it sliding down the bar to Bmagic |
| 11:09 |
rfrasur |
I'm workin' on a two day old Mountain Dew Code Red. I know. Battery acid. |
| 11:09 |
Bmagic |
OMG |
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rfrasur |
hmm, that coffee sounds better |
| 11:10 |
Bmagic |
@coffee rfrasur |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya Kirinyaga Kii Peaberry Espresso, and sends it sliding down the bar to rfrasur |
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rfrasur |
gracias mi amigo |
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Bmagic |
de nada |
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Bmagic |
So, I am considering creating a bug for this. Stop me if there already is something. We need a way for libraries to report bibs that had a copy attached but no longer does. AKA "cancels". I have spent some hours playing with views and clever queries. |
| 11:33 |
Bmagic |
It seems like I need to create a triggered materialized table for this. Otherwise the queries that I have come up with are just too slow |
| 11:35 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Is this regarding the OCLC stuff? |
| 11:35 |
Bmagic |
right |
| 11:36 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: I would recommend a nightly stored proc to update a table, personally. Too many things to look for with a trigger. |
| 11:36 |
Bmagic |
I see your script created some postgres structure |
| 11:37 |
tsbere |
Yea, though not library specific it could easily be adapted to include library IDs, at a specific depth or otherwise |
| 11:37 |
Bmagic |
for sure |
| 11:38 |
Bmagic |
I was just wondering if this deserves a bug/tracking |
| 11:43 |
JBoyer |
I imagine it's something that other consortia with OCLC members might like to see, putting it in LP doesn't mean you can't use a local version/alternative until it hits core (or doesn't). |
| 11:44 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic: Is there a reason you don't delete records when the last copy is removed? You could then get the oclc numbers from deleted bibs by date. |
| 11:45 |
Bmagic |
This isn't specific to OCLC. It's just getting the ability to get a list of bib records where you "used" to have copies and now you dont |
| 11:45 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan: other branches/systems might still have their copies attached |
| 11:46 |
Bmagic |
for a specified list of branches, we want a list of bibs where that group of branches HAD a copy and now have 0 copies between them |
| 11:47 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: That is very hard to do in all cases |
| 11:47 |
Bmagic |
it shouldnt be hard |
| 11:48 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Transfer the entire call number to another bib and you don't have a deleted call number or copies to look at, for example. |
| 11:49 |
tsbere |
I suppose just changing the call number owning lib would be enough to trigger that kind of situation as well |
| 11:49 |
Bmagic |
sure, we merge bibs all the time. The deleted bibs do not matter, just the final bib where the copies were moved, then deleted. |
| 11:49 |
tsbere |
Do all copy statuses count or just ones that made it to active? |
| 11:50 |
tsbere |
And I wasn't talking about deleting/merging a bib. I was talking "we moved these from non-deleted bib A to non-deleted bib B, and bib A still has stuff from other libraries" |
| 11:51 |
tsbere |
The OCLC stuff I came up with was also, in part, intended for dealing with "the same OCLC number is on multiple bibs, and while *one* was deleted there are still non-deleted ones there" which is why it is based on the OCLC number and not bib IDs. |
| 11:51 |
Bmagic |
tsbere: moving the volume doesn't matter. It's purely hinged ac.deleted |
| 11:52 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: To clarify: My point is that "flagged as deleted" is not the only way a library stops having copies on a bib. |
| 11:53 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Also, just as a basic question: Do you need to worry about located URIs coming/going? |
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Bmagic |
tsbere: We are not worried about located URI's. We are assuming that the library deletes the copy. The status isn't in the equation. But that is just us. The subject gets more complex as you try to catch all scenarios. Therefore, it might not be something adopted by the community? |
| 12:51 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: The number of scenarios is one of the reasons what I wrote for MVLC works the way it does. I don't have a generic "you had copies but now you don't" for a number of reasons, mainly because "*why* do you want that information?" becomes very important very quickly in my experience. |
| 12:51 |
Bmagic |
I am starting to agree |
| 12:51 |
tsbere |
Luckily the why usually eliminates a large number of things to keep track of |
| 12:52 |
Bmagic |
If I come up with a view, I might throw it up on LP and see what happens |
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krvmga |
i have template overrides set up according to the documentation but it seems the system sometimes doesn't honor the overrides. |
| 14:10 |
krvmga |
i have two sets of overrides: one for general opac template overrides and one for a specific institution's overrides |
| 14:11 |
krvmga |
it seems sometimes the specific institution's overrides are being ignored |
| 14:11 |
krvmga |
not sure what's happening :( |
| 14:14 |
krvmga |
has anyone run into issues with multiple levels of template overrides? |
| 14:31 |
tsbere |
krvmga: We don't use overrides for our customizations. I know how to, we just don't. But you could have things defined out of order, your paths could be wrong, or you may not have the institution's overrides defined in the right places. |
| 14:31 |
tsbere |
krvmga: Or, if you have multiple bricks, you may have out of sync configs |
| 14:42 |
krvmga |
tsbere: thanks. |
| 14:42 |
krvmga |
tsbere++ |
| 14:42 |
tsbere |
krvmga: I find myself wondering which of the possibilities I listed helped you. |
| 14:43 |
krvmga |
tsbere: it was a single server. when it was turned over to me, i was told it was all set to go (properly configured, etc.) |
| 14:43 |
tsbere |
That would explain things |
| 14:44 |
krvmga |
i just checked now and saw one variable line was omitted |
| 14:44 |
krvmga |
i added the line. problem solved. |
| 14:44 |
krvmga |
of course, it doesn't do anything for my trust level for the next time someone turns something over to me and tells me it's all set |
| 14:44 |
krvmga |
:) |
| 14:45 |
krvmga |
it was a missing PerlAddVar OILSWebTemplatePath line |
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krvmga |
in eg_vhost.conf |
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kmlussier |
@dessert [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs some Coconut Cream Cake for agoben |
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agoben |
:) Perfect for tea time! Thanks! |
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* berick |
installs @crumpets plugin |
| 15:44 |
jlitrell |
You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket! |
| 15:44 |
kmlussier |
I don't think I've ever tried a crumpet. |
| 15:44 |
kmlussier |
But now that I've searched Google for crumpets, it looks like they're just an English muffin. Somehow, I thought they would be more exciting. |
| 15:44 |
jlitrell |
They're the best. |
| 15:45 |
jlitrell |
wat no. Crumpets >>>> English muffins |
| 15:45 |
jlitrell |
The butter gets in all those little holes... mmmmmm |
| 15:46 |
kmlussier |
Well, with English muffins, the butter gets in all those nooks and crannies. Same thing, right? |
| 15:47 |
tsbere |
There are differences, though I have only had crumpets once or twice. |
| 15:47 |
jlitrell |
No, because when you toast it the stupid peaks get all sharp and hurt your mouth. |
| 15:47 |
jlitrell |
English muffins are good as hamburger buns, and that's it. |
| 15:48 |
kmlussier |
jlitrell: I can honestly say I have never hurt my mouth eating an English muffin. But I will withhold my judgment on a crumpet until I've actually tried one. |
| 15:48 |
tsbere |
jlitrell: I could argue that you are over-toasting your english muffins if they are able to hurt your mouth. |
| 15:48 |
kmlussier |
berick: See what you started? |
| 15:48 |
jlitrell |
pfft |
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mmorgan |
crumpets++ |
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JBoyer |
Also, |
| 15:48 |
JBoyer |
jlitrell++ |
| 15:49 |
JBoyer |
for that TMNT refernce. |
| 15:49 |
jlitrell |
Yay! I was wondering. :-D |
| 15:49 |
jlitrell |
English muffins are boring and stupid, and crumpets are basically nature's perfect food. |
| 15:50 |
berick |
hm, now I need to find some for real |
| 15:50 |
jeff |
okay, i missed the TMNT ref, but i'm happy to say that i picked the correct line once I knew to look for it. |
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