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graced |
Happy St. Patrick's Day, Evergreen! |
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JBoyer |
Sláinte! |
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kmlussier |
@dessert add Shamrock Shakes |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
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kmlussier |
@dessert add Shamrock Shakes |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The operation succeeded. Dessert #43 added. |
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kmlussier |
@dessert 43 [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs some Shamrock Shakes for rhamby |
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rhamby |
top o the morning to you too |
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rhamby |
It occurs to me I'm not wearing green. |
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* csharp |
forgot to wear green today too |
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miker |
kmlussier: here's the metarecord lightning talk I've been looking for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSlJr8L8dpA&t=46m39s |
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rhamby |
miker: do you think metarecord displays should be the default in the catalog? |
| 09:10 |
miker |
rhamby: I think it could be, yes. or at least more useful than it is today |
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miker |
I'd like to see the reverse, too, where you can go from a record to a useful MR display |
| 09:11 |
miker |
that could come first as a POC, and have that display logic used to inform a rewrite of the MR result list |
| 09:15 |
rhamby |
I like the idea of a metarecord display being default search response. That brings a lot of issues up but I think it would be interesting to explore. |
| 09:16 |
kmlussier |
miker: Thanks! I'll take a look. |
| 09:17 |
kmlussier |
I would love to see MRs get to a point where it could be the default search. |
| 09:18 |
kmlussier |
@eightball will gmcharlt give the community a shiny new release as a St. Patrick's Day gift? |
| 09:18 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: It shall be. |
| 09:19 |
rhamby |
last thought before focusing on other things: if results are presented well I think it has the potential to address speed, not system speed but getting results they want to them faster speed because scrolling through results and opening multiple records can be a big slow down in user experience |
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kmlussier |
For those following along, the catalog higlighted in that presentation is at http://catalog.library.nashville.org/ |
| 09:29 |
dbs |
fwiw, the "group by link to external ID (such as oclc work entities)" suggestion I made for search yesterday was effectively meant as a more intentional metarecord approach |
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kmlussier |
dbs: Do you think we would see more accuracy in our grouping of records if we used the work entities? |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
they would be differently inaccurate. ;-) |
| 09:45 |
rhamby |
dbs: I assumed so. I don't think I said so but I like that idea as well. I think libraries will want options to use methods to controlled sets for matching as well as others that would be happy with the low effort approach of let the system guess based on bib data. |
| 10:00 |
jeff |
Occasionally I think to ask this, and I should probably ask it on the list: Does anyone have any SIP2 clients that require error correction be enabled? |
| 10:06 |
miker |
jeff: we've many that require the opposite... :) |
| 10:07 |
jeff |
This is good! |
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jeff |
:-) |
| 10:10 |
jeff |
SIP3 drafts remove error checking completely. Looking at bug 1542495 had me thinking "wouldn't it be nice to rip that out now?" again. :-) |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1542495 in Evergreen "OpenILS::SIP::clean_text() can crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1542495 |
| 10:36 |
Dyrcona |
My understanding is that SIPServer only turns on error checking if the client requests it. |
| 10:36 |
Dyrcona |
Not that that helps much. |
| 10:39 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: well, not exactly... but that's another bug. :-) |
| 10:40 |
jeff |
But whenever touching something that has potential to impact error checking, I'm increasingly tempted to just rip it out, rather than test it. |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
I'm pretty sure that we have clients that do error checking. Whether or not that can be turned off is a different question. |
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gmcharlt |
ditto |
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* Dyrcona |
just wishes there was a decent standard for this stuff, and no NCIP2 does not count! |
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tsbere |
I am not sure that I care about the standard being decent in general, but decently *defined* would be nice... |
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jeff |
oh hey. |
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jeff |
rhamby: congrats on the new position! |
| 11:15 |
jeff |
rhamby++ |
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* Dyrcona |
would just like the standard to be "standard." |
| 11:15 |
Dyrcona |
rhamby: Congrats! |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: the standard is not the implementation. ;-) |
| 11:16 |
rhamby |
jeff: thanks! |
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rhamby |
Dyrcona: thanks! |
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jeff |
rhamby: i almost asked about it when you joined IRC Tuesday morning. :-) |
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jwoodard |
@weather |
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pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Aubrey, TX :: Thunderstorm :: 48F/9C | Thursday: Thunderstorms, some locally heavy this morning, then cloudy this afternoon. A few storms may be severe. High 67F. Winds ENE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall possibly over one inch. Thursday Night: Cloudy skies this evening. A few showers developing late. Thunder possible. Low 54F. Winds ENE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message) |
| 11:20 |
rhamby |
jeff: that was my first day with ESI. :) It's been a good fit. I have plenty to learn but looking forward to it. |
| 11:20 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: A standard can go a long way to clarifying things so that different implementations are compatible. |
| 11:20 |
jwoodard |
You know it was 80F yesterday.... |
| 11:21 |
rhamby |
Dyrcona: I still believe happiness comes from blocking all SIP ports. I refuse to call it a standard. |
| 11:23 |
Dyrcona |
rhamby++ |
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kmlussier |
rhamby++ |
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kmlussier |
My karma was for the new position. I'm a little late |
| 11:29 |
tsbere |
rhamby: I have to disagree. As far as I can tell SIP is a decent standard....for telephony type things. SIP2, on the other hand... |
| 11:31 |
rhamby |
tsbere: fair |
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csharp |
Bug 1526547 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1526547 in Evergreen 2.8 "Overdues adjusted via lost (or long overdue) processing get an incorrect note ("VOIDED FOR BACKDATE")" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1526547 |
| 11:41 |
Dyrcona |
Speaking of SIP/SIP2 being different, we have to rename a server because of changes we're making to email and other services. |
| 11:41 |
Dyrcona |
They expect sip.domain.tld to be the telephony end point, so we're changing it to 3msip2.domain.tld. |
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Dyrcona |
It's fun contacting all of the vendors, particularly when you are not their customer. |
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* csharp |
saw another "SIP" mentioned during a Code4Lib presentation last week - I nearly choked |
| 11:43 |
csharp |
"another" = |
| 11:43 |
csharp |
not SIP2 and not telephony :-/ |
| 11:43 |
tsbere |
TLA Overload. |
| 11:45 |
jeff |
TLAOMUJN will solve everything. |
| 11:45 |
jeff |
Three Letter Acronym Overload Mitigation Using Java-like Namespaces |
| 11:45 |
jeff |
org.ietf.standards.sip |
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jeff |
com.mmm.standards.sip |
| 11:50 |
jeff |
those are just convenience aliases, though. the actual underlying namespaces are much larger, and typically require that you enable jumbo frames to avoid fragmentation across the wire. |
| 11:51 |
jeff |
csharp: i seem to recall recently having the "oh no, another 'SIP'" conversation recently, but I don't remember what it was regarding. Do you? |
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tsbere |
Off the top of my head I know about telephony SIP, 3M SIP, and "Sustainable in Practice" I think...and I seem to recall that there is something about physical connectors too. |
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tsbere |
The last one though may have the P doubled |
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jeff |
Heh. During World War II, some quantity of SIP Grenades were issued to Britain's Home Guard. Many caches were buried unrecorded. |
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jwoodard |
I have managed to forget how I got some numbers for a report. I have the spreadsheet as proof that I did it before. |
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jwoodard |
its one of those days... |
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JBoyer |
A quick sanity check: if I set the internal flag ingest.skip_search_indexing and the like, will all of that processing be completed by a later reingest of the bib (by using pingest.pl, for instance), or do more specific steps need to be taken? |
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JBoyer |
We're running into additional parallel load collisions. |
| 13:05 |
JBoyer |
Set them to true, that is. Then set them back to false after the load. |
| 13:06 |
miker |
JBoyer: a subsequent reingest will catch them |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Most likely. Are you running into collision with browse indexes, or do you know? |
| 13:07 |
JBoyer |
Certainly with the browse index, I'm just assuming that disabling them all is just a good idea if I have to disable one. |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Yes, it won't hurt, and it will speed things up during the load. |
| 13:07 |
JBoyer |
I know we've talked about this because you do something similar, but that's not one of the three flags we're switching off. I may have miscommunicated something at some point. (it's been a bit.) |
| 13:07 |
miker |
JBoyer: browse and attributes have unique constrains that can block others ... search and facet don't, so you shouldn't have to disable those |
| 13:08 |
miker |
constraints, even |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: The browse index didn't exist the last time that I did a parallel record load. |
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* Dyrcona |
makes note of that for future reference. |
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jeff |
bug 1066326 is probably useful background |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1066326 in Evergreen "Allow (in practice) parallel ingest again, post-browse-indexing" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066326 |
| 13:09 |
Dyrcona |
The parallel ingest script, does the browse in one process, but parallelizes the others. |
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csharp |
jeff: I'll have to look back at the c4l presentations to remember what it was |
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JBoyer |
Dyrcona: Oh, I think it was the metarecord mapping that we discussed last. |
| 13:09 |
jeff |
csharp: at your earliest convenience, please! |
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jeff |
csharp: *kidding* |
| 13:09 |
miker |
JBoyer: that's good to do after, with the separate sql script, indeed |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Yeah, I turn that flag off do the quick metarecord map script after, but like I said, it has been a while. |
| 13:10 |
JBoyer |
miker: Thanks for that about which index catches what, I might leave those on and then tell pingest to ignore them. |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
miker seems to suggest that attr ingest shouldn't be parallelized, but I've not encountered a problem with that. |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
I could be misunderstanding, too. |
| 13:11 |
miker |
well, if you have a lot of records, you may be safe |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 13:12 |
JBoyer |
several million :). But I assume the danger comes from needing to insert a "new" attribute value that could in theory collide? |
| 13:12 |
miker |
also, are you doing these inside a single transaction (or several large ones)? |
| 13:12 |
miker |
JBoyer: zackly |
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JBoyer |
I'm not too up to speed on the attribute tables. |
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miker |
it's only the uncontrolled attr table |
| 13:12 |
miker |
but with lots of records, you probably have all the strings you need already |
| 13:12 |
JBoyer |
miker: multiple concurrent transactions. That's why we're hitting it. This xact commits a new value, the next one blows up trying to do the same. |
| 13:13 |
JBoyer |
(to the browse index, that is) |
| 13:13 |
miker |
right |
| 13:13 |
miker |
that's often good to do in a separate pass later |
| 13:13 |
miker |
as you know ;) |
| 13:14 |
JBoyer |
Maybe I'll look at cleaning up and genericizing our approach for the 2017 conf, if I can keep all of the details straight. :) |
| 13:14 |
JBoyer |
By then I'll have likely asked in here enough that a cleanroom implementation wouldn't be that hard to throw together in a couple hours, heh. |
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csharp |
jeff: I can't find it, but I know it was during a presentation where a woman referred to something in their finding aid (or whatever it was) saying "we call these 'SIPs'" and I died a little inside :-) |
| 13:23 |
jeff |
ah |
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JBoyer |
miker: Out of curiosity, is the internal flag to disable uncontrolled attrs ingest.disable_metabib_rec_descriptor? I don't see anything that looks like it would apply. |
| 13:30 |
miker |
JBoyer: not specifically uncontrolled attrs. I /think/ you can disable all attrs? Maybe not, though. |
| 13:30 |
miker |
you can definitely reindex only attr data, though... so it's half way there if nothing else ;) |
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JBoyer |
attributes aren't referenced in any of the flags, I just thought I'd check before digging around in the stored procedures. :) |
| 13:41 |
JBoyer |
For those logging along at home: yes. The flag ingest.disable_metabib_rec_descriptor controls record attribute ingest. Minor drift in terminology over the years. :) |
| 13:45 |
miker |
JBoyer++ |
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graced |
EOB meeting in 2 minutes! |
| 14:00 |
bmills |
Dyrcona++ kmlussier++ for making the process of adding an index/reingest a little less painful with pingest and the great presentation slides from last years conference |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, March 17, 2016 |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Mar 17 14:01:17 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__march_17__2016' |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#link Agenda http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-3-17 |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
graced |
EOB members, please introduce yourself with #info |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
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montgoc1 |
#info montgoc1 is Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries |
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afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
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abneiman |
#info abneiman, Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
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yboston |
#info yboston - Yamil Suarez - Berklee Collge of Music EOB member |
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tanyap |
#info tanyap is Tanya Prokrym, NC Cardinal |
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sherbertbc |
#info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BC Libraries Co-op |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt is Galen Charlton, 2.10 release manager and observer |
| 14:03 |
graced |
We have a quorum, so let’s get started. |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#topic Minutes/Actions from last meeting |
| 14:03 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-18-14.01.html |
| 14:04 |
graced |
Any amendments to the minutes from the last meeting? |
| 14:05 |
graced |
Any objections to approving the minutes from the last meeting? |
| 14:05 |
montgoc1 |
No |
| 14:05 |
graced |
going once... goingtwice |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#agreed Minutes from the 2/18/16 EOB meeting are approved. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
Okay, there are a few pending actions from the last meeting. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#info Continue ongoing efforts for guidelines to Conference Committees |
| 14:06 |
graced |
We have a doc shared with all interested EOB members for collaboration… progress is being made. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
montgoc1 or afterl... any thoughts on that? |
| 14:07 |
graced |
csharp and tspindler can weigh in if/when they get here. |
| 14:07 |
afterl |
graced: no thoughts just yet - will review |
| 14:07 |
graced |
Overall, do y'all with whom the doc is shared think it's going in the right direction overall? |
| 14:07 |
montgoc1 |
Nothing to add. I think when it's finished it will be a great resource. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
It will certainly benefit from much trial and error |
| 14:08 |
graced |
Okay, we will continue to work on it and will start sharing drafts as it gets more complete. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#info Conference refund policy |
| 14:08 |
graced |
I sent a short email detailing the “standard” refund policy used for the past 3 years of conferences. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-March/001253.html |
| 14:09 |
graced |
Is there any discussion about the refund policy before we vote to adopt it as an official policy for management of the Evergreen Conference (with the caveat that the SFC reserves the right to override this policy in their duties as our fiscal sponsor)? |
| 14:09 |
graced |
Would anyone like to move to adopt it? |
| 14:10 |
afterl |
graced: I had no issues with the policy as outlined. Made good sense to me. |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
graced: to me too |
| 14:10 |
afterl |
I move we adopt the refund policy |
| 14:10 |
graced |
do I hear a second? |
| 14:10 |
montgoc1 |
I'll second. |
| 14:10 |
graced |
wonderful |
| 14:10 |
graced |
if there's no more discussion? |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board approve the language from the linked email as the official refund policy of the Evergreen Conference (with the caveat that the SFC reserves the right to override this policy in their duties as our fiscal sponsor)? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board approve the language from the linked email as the official refund policy of the Evergreen Conference (with the caveat that the SFC reserves the right to override this policy in their duties as our fiscal sponsor)? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
| 14:11 |
afterl |
#vote YES |
| 14:11 |
abneiman |
#vote yes |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
#vote yes |
| 14:11 |
montgoc1 |
#vote YES |
| 14:11 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board approve the language from the linked email as the official refund policy of the Evergreen Conference (with the caveat that the SFC reserves the right to override this policy in their duties as our fiscal sponsor)?" Results are |
| 14:11 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (6): afterl, abneiman, graced, montgoc1, sherbertbc, yboston |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#agreed The EOB approved the referenced refund policy which will be provided in the conference documentation. |
| 14:12 |
graced |
thanks everyone! That will also improve the conference process... |
| 14:12 |
graced |
moving on |
| 14:12 |
graced |
#info New EOB election process language |
| 14:12 |
graced |
This was on my plate and I did not get this done. I will send out something by Friday of this week, though. |
| 14:12 |
graced |
Any questions about it whiel we're all together? |
| 14:13 |
afterl |
None from me |
| 14:13 |
graced |
I'll take that as a no from everyone then |
| 14:13 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:13 |
abneiman |
nope |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#action graced to send email on EOB election processes by Friday, March 18 |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#info Outreachy discussion |
| 14:13 |
graced |
This was an unassigned action item to discuss via email. I suggest if someone has strong feelings about it they volunteer to take it as an action item... |
| 14:14 |
graced |
Does anyone want to volunteer to move this forward in an email discussion? |
| 14:15 |
graced |
Okay, shall we plan to add this to our in-person discussion at the Evergreen conference? |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
good idea |
| 14:15 |
afterl |
sure |
| 14:15 |
graced |
I think it's a good in-person kind of thing. |
| 14:16 |
abneiman |
agreed |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#agreed Discuss Outreachy and other outreach efforts at the Evergreen Conference |
| 14:16 |
graced |
wow... moving right along |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#topic New Business |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#info Financial Report |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-March/001258.html |
| 14:16 |
graced |
Yboston? gmcharlt? Who wants the mic? |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
I'll grab it |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
gmcharlt: thanks |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
upshot - we're in a typical lead-up-to-conference state |
| 14:17 |
gmcharlt |
no red flags I'm seeing with the finances |
| 14:18 |
gmcharlt |
I can take questions now if folks have any immediate questions about the report |
| 14:18 |
graced |
nor I |
| 14:18 |
graced |
gmcharlt++ for wrangling the report |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
gmcharlt++ |
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montgoc1 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
I wouldliek to volunteer to create documentation for the process of gettign financial data |
| 14:19 |
graced |
yboston++ |
| 14:19 |
afterl |
yboston++ |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
right as the meeting srated I was able to get soem of the data that gmcharlt grabbed |
| 14:19 |
montgoc1 |
yboston++ |
| 14:19 |
graced |
yboston: do you need assistance from gmcharlt to make that happen? |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
and he sent me the "spells" for the additional reports |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
I will ask him to review what I coem up with |
| 14:20 |
graced |
#action yboston to document arcane spells for getting Evergreen financial reports |
| 14:20 |
graced |
thank you for volunteering for that! |
| 14:20 |
montgoc1 |
Yes, and it's is nice to see financials. |
| 14:20 |
graced |
indeed |
| 14:21 |
csharp |
#info csharp is Chris Sharp, GPLS |
| 14:21 |
graced |
hi csharp! |
| 14:21 |
csharp |
sorry I'm late - in a meeting I couldn't leave :-/ |
| 14:21 |
graced |
no worries |
| 14:21 |
graced |
Okay, moving along |
| 14:21 |
graced |
#info Evergreen 2.10 Release Manager's Report |
| 14:21 |
graced |
Take it away gmcharlt |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
#info 2.10.0 will be released today, 17 March 2016 |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
#info 2.10 will fall into the category of a feature-ful release, with a fairly big chunk of additional webstaff preview functionality |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
#info during the maintenance period for 2.10.x, browser client bugfixes will be considered for backporting, particularity in the areas of patrons and circulation |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
#link https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/previews/RELEASE_NOTES_2_10_rc.html draft release notes |
| 14:24 |
gmcharlt |
questions? |
| 14:24 |
graced |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:24 |
graced |
Evergreen Developers++ |
| 14:24 |
afterl |
gmcharlt, Evergreen Developers++ |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:25 |
montgoc1 |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:25 |
graced |
If there are no questions for gmcharlt...? |
| 14:25 |
graced |
Okay, thank you and moving on... |
| 14:25 |
graced |
#info Evergreen Conference Report |
| 14:25 |
graced |
tanyap: anything exciting to report? |
| 14:25 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:26 |
graced |
tanyap... did we lose you? |
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| 14:27 |
tanyap_ |
sorry lost my internet for a bit. |
| 14:27 |
graced |
glad you're back, tanyap_ |
| 14:27 |
graced |
conference update? |
| 14:27 |
tanyap_ |
conference is in the black by about $3400; with another $1000 sponsorship coming in. headcount is 217 over all 3 days. |
| 14:28 |
tanyap_ |
thursday = 192; friday=210. |
| 14:28 |
graced |
great! |
| 14:28 |
graced |
uh oh, lost her again. |
| 14:28 |
graced |
Well, we'll move on and she can chime in if she reconnects. |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#info Update from the Outreach Committee |
| 14:29 |
graced |
kmlussier: what’s new? |
| 14:29 |
graced |
Also, Happy Birthday, kmlussier! |
| 14:29 |
kmlussier |
Thanks graced! |
| 14:29 |
tanyap_ |
i am looking into A/V recording and meeting with the Sheraton A/V people next week. I am also looking at substituting the dessert cost for the reception for a cake and applying the dessert cost ($1400) to morning coffee/tea breaks - now that we have some flexibility. |
| 14:29 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC. |
| 14:29 |
* kmlussier |
will wait |
| 14:29 |
tanyap_ |
sorry. working from home today. |
| 14:29 |
graced |
no, no, that was my bad - sorry |
| 14:29 |
tanyap_ |
and last, the conference brochure/programe is out for final review. |
| 14:30 |
graced |
tanyap_ I think that cake/coffee switch is a good idea now that we have flexibility in the budget |
| 14:31 |
tanyap_ |
me too -- i like my coffee and tea! |
| 14:31 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:31 |
graced |
Any questions for Tanya? |
| 14:31 |
kmlussier |
coffee++ |
| 14:31 |
afterl |
tea++ |
| 14:31 |
tanyap_ |
if you have suggestions on which day to record if we can, let me know. |
| 14:32 |
graced |
tanyap_++ thank you! |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
tanyap_:++ |
| 14:32 |
afterl |
tanyap_: good luck with this final push |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
tanyap++ |
| 14:32 |
montgoc1 |
tanyap_++ |
| 14:32 |
abneiman |
tanyap_++ |
| 14:33 |
tanyap_ |
thank you all~ |
| 14:33 |
graced |
okay, now back to kmlussier for outreach updates... |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
Thanks! |
| 14:33 |
afterl |
Happy Birthday, kmlussier! |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
The Outreach Committee met last month. |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
Yes, thank you graced for sharing my bday news with the Board. I'm forever grateful. |
| 14:34 |
graced |
We like celebrations. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
The Outreach Committee has submitted an application for meeting space at ALA. I requested Saturday afternoon. I'll post more information once we have a confirmed time slot. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
We talked about our activities for other conferences, particularly with the idea that we still may want to consider exhibiting at a conference at some point. rfrasur and rhamby volunteered to work on a conference kit with printables that can be used by Evergreeners who are attending conferences and want to promote Evergreen at those conferences. |
| 14:34 |
kmlussier |
However, this doesn't help with the funding question. |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
We're not sure a direct fundraiser, like the one we tried last year, is the most effective means for raising money for exhibits if we want to continue to show a presence at conferences. |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
During the Board meeting at last year's conference, there was some talk of possibly looking at membership fees for Evergreen to help support community activities. I don't think it needs to be talked about today, but it is an idea raised among the Outreach Committee members as one way to support promoting Evergreen at conferences. |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
We also talked about pulling together an annual report to be completed before this year's conference. We may have a survey going out to help us gather some statistics for that report. |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
lso, I plan to write up a press release this week (tomorrow?) on the 2.10 release. I'll share it with gmcharlt and the Board before sending it out. |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
Sorry, that last sentence was supposed to start with 'Also.' |
| 14:36 |
kmlussier |
That's our report. |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
montgoc1 |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
sherbertbc |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:36 |
afterl |
kmlussier++ (and happy birthday again) |
| 14:36 |
abneiman |
kmlussier++ and happy birthday! FB ratted you out, not graced :-) |
| 14:37 |
graced |
@dessert kmlussier |
| 14:37 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs some Shamrock Shakes for kmlussier |
| 14:37 |
kmlussier |
How timely! |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
Google Plus ratted you out too |
| 14:37 |
graced |
indded! |
| 14:37 |
graced |
or indeed even |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
Gotta get you that flan, seriously |
| 14:37 |
kmlussier |
Well, there are one or two people in this channel who aren't connected to me on FB or Google+. I think |
| 14:37 |
graced |
Okay, if there are no questions for kmlussier? |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
I would love it if the Board could take up a larger discussion on the funding questions at some point. |
| 14:38 |
graced |
#action kmlussier will write up a press release this week (tomorrow?) on the 2.10 release and share it with gmcharlt and the Board before sending it out. |
| 14:39 |
graced |
#action Board to add Outreach funding to possible EG conference meeting agenda |
| 14:39 |
kmlussier |
graced: Thank you! |
| 14:39 |
graced |
by the power of action items! |
| 14:39 |
graced |
;-) |
| 14:39 |
graced |
moving on then... |
| 14:40 |
graced |
#info Update from the Site Selection Committee for 2017 |
| 14:40 |
graced |
#link http://georgialibraries.markmail.org/thread/pi6y4qpxm4x7wf7g |
| 14:40 |
graced |
The site selection committee has closed the proposal period. We are evaluating the proposal and will be prepared to make a recommendation very soon! |
| 14:40 |
graced |
Are there any strong feelings on how site announcements should work? Should it be kept a big secret and announced at the current conference? Or just announced via email when the decision is made? |
| 14:41 |
abneiman |
I'd say email |
| 14:41 |
afterl |
I think email too |
| 14:42 |
montgoc1 |
I'm indifferent, although it could be a perk of being a conference attendee...you get to hear it first. |
| 14:42 |
afterl |
You know how secrets go though .... |
| 14:42 |
graced |
true |
| 14:42 |
abneiman |
But there could also be an announcement (by EOB or Conference Committee or whomever) at the conference. |
| 14:42 |
graced |
Yes we generally do announce it (again) at the conference during the EOB update |
| 14:42 |
afterl |
Yes, yes |
| 14:43 |
graced |
Okay, I think we should stick with the status quo then. I'll write it up in our best practices doc that will soon exist. |
| 14:43 |
yboston |
graced++ |
| 14:44 |
graced |
#action graced to write up best practices doc for site selection and include direction to ensure email and conference announcements. |
| 14:44 |
graced |
thanks to sherbertbc, afterl, and rfrasur for doing all the heavy lifting on site selection |
| 14:45 |
graced |
Okay, moving on |
| 14:45 |
graced |
#info EOB nominations & OpaVote |
| 14:45 |
graced |
As we did last year, we plan to use OpaVote for the EOB voting. I don’t believe we received any complaints about the service or about the “approval style” voting we used (as opposed to the STV we had used previously). |
| 14:45 |
sherbertbc |
I wasn't involved |
| 14:45 |
graced |
sherbertbc, sorry... I was thinking of the next agenda item |
| 14:45 |
graced |
my brain is getting ahead of me! |
| 14:45 |
sherbertbc |
graced: ;) |
| 14:46 |
graced |
So, EOB nominations and OpaVote. |
| 14:46 |
csharp |
last year was fine as I recall - I didn't have or hear any complaints |
| 14:46 |
abneiman |
likewise |
| 14:47 |
graced |
(thanks to the people named above for the work I credited them with for site selection when it was really for EOB nominations) |
| 14:47 |
graced |
Are there any questions about the voting process? |
| 14:47 |
graced |
jump in if you think of one... |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
none from me |
| 14:47 |
sherbertbc |
what is the closing date for folks to sign up to vote via the survey? |
| 14:48 |
montgoc1 |
None here. |
| 14:48 |
graced |
3/24 I think |
| 14:48 |
* graced |
checks |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
It's a standard vote this time, right? Where all of a person's votes get counted? |
| 14:48 |
graced |
kmlussier - yes, approval voting like last year |
| 14:49 |
kmlussier |
graced: Thanks for confirming. I couldn't remember which one was used last year. |
| 14:49 |
sherbertbc |
I ask because we have only 30 ppl signed up so, compared to 64 by closing last year |
| 14:49 |
graced |
sherbertbc: 3/25 5pm PT |
| 14:49 |
graced |
There will be a rush next week I bet. |
| 14:49 |
sherbertbc |
shall we send a wee reminder? |
| 14:50 |
afterl |
Yes, I would |
| 14:50 |
graced |
indeed |
| 14:50 |
graced |
sherbertbc: are you volunteering? |
| 14:50 |
sherbertbc |
will do! |
| 14:50 |
graced |
sherbertbc++ |
| 14:50 |
sherbertbc |
I will send Monday |
| 14:51 |
graced |
#action sherbertbc will send a reminder for voting registration and nominations for EOB on Monday |
| 14:51 |
graced |
#link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approval_voting |
| 14:51 |
graced |
For the record ^^ |
| 14:51 |
afterl |
thanks for that |
| 14:51 |
graced |
So, for OpaVote based on their pricing structure and we may incur up to $10.00 in costs. |
| 14:51 |
graced |
https://www.opavote.com/pricing |
| 14:52 |
graced |
If we don’t think $10 is too steep, I’d like to move that we vote to approve up to $10, if necessary, for the EOB elections to be held on the OpaVote platform. |
| 14:52 |
abneiman |
second |
| 14:52 |
graced |
Discussion? Questions? |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
none from me |
| 14:53 |
graced |
hearing none... |
| 14:53 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board approve up to $10, if necessary, for the EOB elections to be held on the OpaVote platform? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:53 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board approve up to $10, if necessary, for the EOB elections to be held on the OpaVote platform? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:53 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:53 |
csharp |
#vote Yes |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
| 14:53 |
afterl |
#vote YES |
| 14:53 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
abneiman |
#vote yes |
| 14:53 |
montgoc1 |
#vote YES |
| 14:54 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:54 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board approve up to $10, if necessary, for the EOB elections to be held on the OpaVote platform?" Results are |
| 14:54 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): afterl, abneiman, graced, montgoc1, csharp, sherbertbc, yboston |
| 14:54 |
graced |
#agreed The Board approved up to $10 to hold the EOB election via OpaVote. |
| 14:54 |
graced |
On other exciting news, it looks like we have a few submissions for the EOB. The deadline for nominations is the end of next week. Tell your friends! |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
should we send another reminder? |
| 14:54 |
graced |
Okay, I think that covers the agenda. |
| 14:55 |
graced |
sherbertbc: will you you include nomination reminders as well as voting registration reminders in your email monday? |
| 14:55 |
sherbertbc |
yes, done! |
| 14:55 |
graced |
excellent. |
| 14:56 |
graced |
Any other questions or comments? |
| 14:56 |
afterl |
One last question |
| 14:56 |
afterl |
Does anyone else hear the distinct voices of the players as they read their words? |
| 14:57 |
* graced |
does |
| 14:57 |
afterl |
:-D |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
are you referring to the nominations? |
| 14:57 |
abneiman |
yes, every one of you, LOL |
| 14:57 |
afterl |
No, no - like you! |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
LOL |
| 14:57 |
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* csharp |
totally missed the reference |
| 14:58 |
graced |
I read Yamil's words in his accent in my head... |
| 14:58 |
afterl |
Yes |
| 14:58 |
csharp |
ah ok |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
I always hear yboston's voice when he types. |
| 14:58 |
afterl |
Just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me |
| 14:58 |
graced |
Okay, now that we all know we share the crazy... |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
si |
| 14:58 |
graced |
Any other new business? |
| 14:59 |
csharp |
"on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog" |
| 14:59 |
* gmcharlt |
does not - I hear nothing but cats purring |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
csharp++ |
| 14:59 |
gmcharlt |
(oh wait, that's just my normal work-from-home day thing) |
| 14:59 |
csharp |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog#/media/File:Internet_dog.jpg for reference |
| 14:59 |
* kmlussier |
suspects that gmcharlt's cats are actually the ones typing right now. |
| 14:59 |
graced |
csharp++ |
| 14:59 |
graced |
Thanks everyone! |
| 15:00 |
graced |
Ending on time, again! Good job! |
| 15:00 |
yboston |
graced++ |
| 15:00 |
graced |
#endmeeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 15:00:11 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-17-14.01.html |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-17-14.01.txt |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-17-14.01.log.html |
| 15:00 |
abneiman |
graced++ damn, I totally want you to run every meeting I attend... |
| 15:00 |
montgoc1 |
graced++ |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: announcing, the new naming scheme for Evergreen releases! |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
The real question is what voice does pinesol_green speak with...? |
| 15:00 |
graced |
aw shucks |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
Evergreen Tuna! |
| 15:00 |
gmcharlt |
Evegreen Salmon! |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
@quote add <graced> by the power of action items! |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. Quote #146 added. |
| 15:00 |
csharp |
bshum: espeak! |
| 15:01 |
bshum |
Also, that :) |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt: if you were really cats, it would be Evergreen ChickenSalmon |
| 15:01 |
mmorgan |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
I'm now picturing green tuna and salmon. Ewww. |
| 15:01 |
bshum |
csharp++ # lol :) |
| 15:01 |
graced |
you people are weird ;-) |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
@blame cats |
| 15:02 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: cats forgot to give the gerbils their chocolate-frosted sugar bombs |
| 15:02 |
graced |
but you're my kind of weird |
| 15:02 |
afterl |
indeed |
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mmorgan |
Evergreen Catnip! |
| 15:13 |
Dyrcona |
<twaits> "You're the same kind of bad as me." |
| 15:13 |
Dyrcona |
;) |
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rhamby |
I saw my name flash a bit ago but was busy, did I get volunteered for something? |
| 15:28 |
kmlussier |
rhamby: You already volunteered. It flashed by during the Outreach report |
| 15:29 |
rhamby |
Ah, the thing I thought I would have plenty of time for and in fact found myself incredibly busy and haven't done yet? |
| 15:29 |
rhamby |
I will work on those things tonight. |
| 15:31 |
kmlussier |
rhamby: FWIW, I haven't done any of the things I volunteered for, with the exception of booking an ALA meeting room |
| 15:31 |
kmlussier |
And I will write a press release tonight, but that wasn't even on my list. Well, maybe not tonight. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] forward-port 2.10.0 release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3559cd9> |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: If you're around, even if you're not, I'm going to wrangle the bugs for 2.9.3. |
| 18:11 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: go for it |
| 18:11 |
Dyrcona |
Guess I'll get 2.8.7, too. |
| 18:16 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona++ |
| 18:29 |
Dyrcona |
I'll leave the 2.10.0 bugs to the release manager. :) |
| 18:29 |
gmcharlt |
:) |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
| 18:31 |
Dyrcona |
Oops.. Typo in my branch name.... |
| 18:32 |
Dyrcona |
Oh well. |
| 18:37 |
Dyrcona |
heh. made the typo when I pushed it. |
| 18:37 |
Dyrcona |
That's what I get for not copying and pasting. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] forward-port 2.9.3-2.10.0 monolithic DB update script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=dc88936> |
| 18:55 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] forward-port the 2.10.0 upgrade instructions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f36387f> |
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gmcharlt |
https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-2-10-0-released/ |
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jlitrell |
Awesome. :-D |
| 19:14 |
jlitrell |
gmcharlt++ |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
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csharp |
gmcharlt++ |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] Translation updates - po files - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6c23dd3> |
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