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08:50 Dyrcona tsbere upgraded us to 2.9.2 + some bug fixes going into 2.9.3 last night.
08:50 Dyrcona So, we're up to date again. Yay!
08:52 mmorgan Dyrcona++
08:53 Dyrcona tsbere++ ;)
08:54 mmorgan tsbere++ :)
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08:58 Dyrcona Interesting tidbit from the upgrade....
08:58 Dyrcona tsbere also moved our database from regular HDD to SSD storage.
08:58 Dyrcona It took less than 15 minute to move over 100GB of data.
08:58 Dyrcona We both thought that would have taken longer.
08:59 Dyrcona ssd++
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09:30 jboyer berick: did you mention in the last couple of months that you couldn't disable some version of ssl because the XUL client could no longer connect? Google-ing the logs is letting me down if so.
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09:32 Dyrcona jboyer: That is true. berick did say that, and I confirmed it with a quick test on my development system.
09:32 Dyrcona You can, I believe disable SSL, but you can't disable certain versions of TLS.
09:33 * Dyrcona can't comma right.
09:34 jboyer Oh. That does sound more familiar. TLS 1.1 or 1.2 maybe. I was trying to look it up while I wait for my car to be repaired, this is how I stay entertained these days, I guess.
09:35 Dyrcona I believe TLS 1.1, or possibly even 1.0, is the best that the staff client can do.
09:36 jboyer And there are some reasons to disable those versions, correct? (Not as serious as old ssl, but still reasons I thought.)
09:38 jboyer Well I can look into that now that I know what I'm actually looking for. Hopefully I'll be out of here soon anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
09:40 Dyrcona jboyer will likely be back before too long.
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09:44 Dyrcona @later tell jboyer https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1547668
09:44 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
09:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1547668 in Evergreen "XUL staff client does not support TLS above 1.0" [Undecided,New]
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11:08 Bmagic bug 1437112 - was tested on bug squashing day and received sign offs. I noticed that it may* have introduced issues with the search screen
11:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1437112 in Evergreen "not possible to set workstation preferences in web staff client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437112
11:08 Bmagic https://sb1.missourievergreen.​org/eg/staff/cat/catalog/index
11:08 Bmagic gadmin/admin
11:09 Bmagic maybe it's a mistake on the setup of the box, but I wanted to see if anyone else has this code on their machine?
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12:09 kmlussier Bmagic: I believe Dyrcona loaded it on his dev server at one time along with several other branches. There were some issues, and he removed most of the branches because I had to focus my testing elsewhere. I never identified which branch was causing the problem.
12:10 kmlussier Bmagic: I'm pretty sure it was the same issue you're seeing now. I would say that branch isn't ready to go.
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12:15 kmlussier Bmagic: Hmmm...It looks like the weird behavior happens only if you don't set your workstation search preferences. Once you set them, the advanced search screens come up okay for m.
12:16 kmlussier Perhaps the tester started by setting the worsktation preferences and didn't notice that the search screen was messed up when the preferences weren't set.
12:19 Bmagic kmlussier: I registered my workstation, and I am still getting {{label}} all over that page
12:19 kmlussier Bmagic: That's the branch where you had to resolve conflicts, right? That should also be noted on the bug. Do you want to add a comment to the bug or should I?
12:19 kmlussier Bmagic: No, it's not the workstation registration that fixed the display. It was setting the default search preferences.
12:20 Bmagic I'll comment
12:20 kmlussier Bmagic++
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12:43 * Dyrcona wasn't sure about that one...so many branches....
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12:45 Dyrcona It has been very quiet for the first day after an upgrade.
12:45 kmlussier Dyrcona: That's a good thing, right?
12:45 Dyrcona kmlussier: Yes, it is.
12:45 kmlussier :)
12:57 * mmorgan knocks on wood.
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13:21 Arty-chan morning, does anyone know if incorrect character encoding in z39.50 import has anything to do with the settings on my end, or is it always an issue on the other library's end?
13:24 pinesol_green [evergreen|Terran McCanna] LP#1551451 Hide OPAC footer when viewed inside staff client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0c131c6>
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13:43 meme Just trying this out...Can someone respond to reassure me?
13:44 dbwells meme: hello!
13:44 meme Hello....I have a meeting here and I am trying things out..
13:45 meme Thanks...Now I am going to sit passively to see what happens..
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13:54 Dyrcona Arty-chan: Are you asking about lp 1346518? (Comment #6 is of particular note.)
13:54 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1346518 in Evergreen "remote z39.50 search returns no results for terms with diacritics" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346518
13:56 * kmlussier waves to meme
13:57 kmlussier meme: While you're waiting for the meeting to start, you can read through the IRC Quick Start guide at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start.
13:57 Arty-chan Dyrcona: no, I mean more if there are diacritics in the author's name and such in the results... the character encoding has clearly gone wrong somewhere, because they turn into symbols
13:58 sandbergja Heads up: we'll be talking about Docs Re-org in about 2 minutes
13:58 Dyrcona Arty-chan: The issues are probably related, but the answer is that I don't know the answer.
13:58 Arty-chan ah well, thanks for trying
14:00 sandbergja meme: glad you could join us!
14:00 meme Me too..
14:01 sandbergja #startmeeting docs re-org update meeting
14:01 pinesol_green Meeting started Mon Mar  7 14:01:16 2016 US/Eastern.  The chair is sandbergja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to 'docs_re_org_update_meeting'
14:01 sandbergja #chair yboston
14:01 pinesol_green Current chairs: sandbergja yboston
14:01 sandbergja Welcome, everyone!
14:01 sandbergja Here's the agenda for today's meeting
14:01 sandbergja #link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=e​vergreen-docs:reorg_2014:agenda_2016-03-07
14:02 sandbergja Let's get started with introductions
14:02 jihpringle #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka)
14:02 alynn26 #info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Anderson County Library, SCLENDS
14:02 sandbergja #info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College
14:02 meme #info meme is Meme Marlow, Worch Library Ohio
14:02 Christineb #info Christineb is Christine Burns - BC Libraries Cooperative / SItka
14:03 sandbergja Great; glad to have you all here
14:03 sandbergja #topic Updates from circulation re-org group
14:03 sandbergja I'm curious to hear about any progress or roadblock y'all have run into!
14:03 Bmagic #info Bmagic is Blake GH, MOBIUS
14:05 sandbergja It's also fine if there are no updates; I know we are all busy :-)
14:05 meme Since I was not at last one, what were we supposed to have done...
14:06 meme I am assuming you are talking about the updates from the groups?
14:06 sandbergja Yes, thanks for asking, meme.  We were going to start looking at what documentation already exists for front-line circ staff + client sysadmins
14:07 sandbergja And start putting together some tables of contents for what we'd want to see in a Front-line circ manual or a staff client sysadmin manual
14:07 meme Ok, thanks for the info...
14:08 meme I did not do that..
14:08 Christineb some links to existing documentation have been added for client sys admins
14:08 sandbergja Yeah, let's move on to looking at the client sys admin ToC
14:08 sandbergja #topic Updates from client sysadmin group
14:09 sandbergja #link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?i​d=evergreen-docs:reorg_2014:system_admin
14:09 sandbergja Here's what we've come up with so far
14:09 sandbergja All the links are to existing documentation that provides a basis for what we'd like to see in a client sysadmin manual
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14:10 sandbergja christineb++ jihpringle++ remingtron++ for all your help with this
14:11 jihpringle I haven't had much time to look at this so far, but looking at it today I wonder if the sys admin manual is the best place for info on building staff clients
14:12 sandbergja Good point!  Where would we like to see that information?
14:13 jihpringle in a manual aimed at sys admins outside of the staff client (not sure how to best word that)
14:13 jihpringle I just don't think that most people using the admin functions in the staff client are going to be the ones building the clients
14:14 sandbergja Good point
14:14 remingtron jihpringle: "command line" or "shell access" are keywords for server-level admin
14:15 sandbergja So maybe it should have a crosslink into the "command line" manual that says "if you are a Mac user, the instructions for building the client are here."
14:15 sandbergja or something along those lines?
14:15 alynn26 I was thinking more of the lines of Staff Client Administration, and then Server-Level Administration. To me there is the dividing fact of who has command line acess.
14:16 jihpringle agreed
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14:16 sandbergja That makes sense
14:16 jihpringle I think calling this one Staff Client Administration more clearly describes who it is intended for
14:17 sandbergja building a mac client does require a bunch of command line work
14:17 sandbergja although not on a server
14:18 jihpringle I suspect we will need a manual for everthing that is done outside of the staff client
14:19 sandbergja That makes sense
14:19 meme At the server level?
14:19 sandbergja So a "in-client" book and an "out-of-client" book?
14:19 sandbergja ^an "in-client"
14:19 alynn26 those would include things like installing the staff Client, Troubleshooting access, and etc.
14:19 krvmga #info krvmga = Jim Keenan, C/W MARS
14:20 krvmga sorry to be late :(
14:20 jihpringle alynn26 would you include those as in or out of client?
14:20 sandbergja krvmga: no worries
14:21 alynn26 install staff client - Out
14:21 jihpringle I'd put installing the staff client as in-client since staff with local system administrator perms can perform that function
14:21 alynn26 Troubleshooting access - both
14:22 meme But in some libraries the installation would be handled by a differnet person as the one setting up the permissions....
14:22 alynn26 maybe it should be in both locations.
14:22 jihpringle i'd vote for bothm or in one with a link to the other
14:22 krvmga it's all 1s and 0s; doesn't cost extra to do it in both places. :)
14:23 alynn26 Meme that is true.
14:23 sandbergja here's another complication: the developer tools in the staff client.  Yes, they are technically in the staff client, but they are weird stuff like consoles and stuff that most local sysadmins would rarely, if ever, use.
14:23 alynn26 :)
14:23 sandbergja would those be in the "in client" book or the "out of client" book?
14:24 sandbergja or both?
14:24 krvmga i'd have installed the client in the "out" book and troubleshooting the client in both
14:24 alynn26 I would mainly focus things on the admin menu items, the developer tools are in a whole different location.
14:24 krvmga i agree with alynn26 on that.
14:24 jihpringle agreed
14:24 meme I think both should be in out of client as in my library anyway, the tasks are handled by differnt people
14:24 meme Trouble shooting in both though.
14:25 krvmga three are two troubleshootings: troubleshooting the installation and figuring out problems with the interface while you're working with it.
14:25 krvmga three=there (fumble fingers)
14:26 meme I think both should be in both. That way if issues while setting up in staff client can determine if in installation or interface.
14:26 alynn26 Troubleshooting installation of the server, should be its own book.
14:27 krvmga alynn26++
14:27 sandbergja I guess it would be helpful to know -- as far as the client installs go -- who actually does that work in most libraries?
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14:27 alynn26 troubleshooting installing and connecting the staff client in both.
14:27 sandbergja Is it someone with shell access, someone who is an admin, or even just a regular person at the circ desk
14:28 krvmga i don't see a problem with having it in both places
14:28 sandbergja what about at the start of each book?
14:28 krvmga an appendix?
14:28 alynn26 here it is the IT department (Me) as staff don't have that access. In other places I help with it could be anyone.
14:28 sandbergja Since acq people will also need to know how to get started with the staff client and troubleshoot if it can't connect, as will circ, etc.
14:29 krvmga a prologue, then (as in something about hobbits)
14:29 alynn26 it's the registering the Workstation, that is usually done by only done by the local sys admins.
14:30 jihpringle or maybe we need a getting started book that is linked to at the beginning of all the other books
14:30 alynn26 That would be a good book.
14:30 krvmga a getting started book strikes me as a good idea
14:30 sandbergja good idea, jihpringle!
14:30 alynn26 jihpringle++
14:33 jihpringle I would also vote to move most, if not all, of the acq admin into the acq book (maintaining funds, providers etc.) otherwise you'll have acq staff who have to refer to two books for regular acq functions
14:34 krvmga +1
14:34 Christineb +1
14:34 sandbergja +1
14:34 meme +1
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14:34 alynn26 The goal I am thinking is to have it available in both locations.  We keep one set of documents, point the various locations to that same set of documents.
14:35 jihpringle we could have a page for acq admin in the staff client admin book that is just a link to the acq admin docs in the acq manual
14:35 alynn26 so, when we comple the acq docs the admin functions are there, and when we compile the admin docs they are there also.
14:36 sandbergja But the tone of the docs are really focused more toward acquisitions staff, not sysadmins?
14:38 alynn26 that is true, they should be as they would be the primary user of the docs.
14:38 jihpringle agreed
14:39 sandbergja Cool!  I think we are having a great discussion.
14:39 sandbergja I think we will probably have a lot of these conversations of which-book-does-it-go-in
14:39 sandbergja as this project progresses
14:40 sandbergja I did want to talk a bit about the survey; any more thoughts on the client sysadmin book, or should we move on?
14:40 alynn26 especially as we move into some of the other areas Circ and Cataloging.
14:40 sandbergja alynn26, very true!
14:41 sandbergja I have to say that most of my sysadmin work is troubleshooting circ issues
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14:41 alynn26 Mine too.
14:41 jihpringle do we have a date by which we'd like the table of contents to be complete (at least in a draft form)?
14:41 sandbergja but most of our circ supervisor's work is also troubleshooting circ issues...
14:41 alynn26 MeMe welcome back
14:42 sandbergja quick poll: does everyone think we could get a draft of the sysadmin book in the next month?
14:43 meme We can try...
14:43 jihpringle I think so
14:43 krvmga i think so
14:44 alynn26 +1
14:44 krvmga i don't think i'm being overly optimistic when i say that
14:44 sandbergja So, how does everyone feel about an early April deadline for the sysadmin book, and an early May deadline for the circ book?
14:44 jihpringle sounds good to me
14:44 krvmga we've got the evergreen conference in april
14:45 krvmga that will limit my participation a bit
14:45 sandbergja Oh, yes!  Good point.
14:45 sandbergja We should also figure out a time to meet up then
14:45 sandbergja Perhaps informally?
14:45 sandbergja at the EG conference, I mean
14:46 krvmga how many of us will be at the conference?
14:46 krvmga me
14:46 sandbergja I will
14:46 alynn26 me.
14:46 jihpringle I will
14:46 meme I will not be.. There will be others there from our consortium..
14:46 krvmga i think it would be great for us to get together
14:46 meme We are COOL , Consortium of Ohio Libraries
14:47 krvmga you ARE cool, meme
14:47 krvmga :)
14:47 krvmga could we get together informally one time after the official day is done?
14:48 alynn26 i think that would be a good idea.
14:48 jihpringle agreed
14:48 sandbergja I like that; perhaps one of us could research the local bars/etc to find a good (fun) place to meet?
14:49 krvmga as the time gets closer, we can firm up the details
14:49 sandbergja sounds good
14:49 sandbergja let's chat about the survey really quickly
14:49 sandbergja #topic Survey
14:49 jihpringle I think the questions look really good
14:49 sandbergja me too!
14:50 krvmga me, too. i sent a couple of suggestions separately.
14:50 sandbergja alynn26: are you still up for putting it on surveymonkey?
14:50 sandbergja #link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:reorg_2014:survey-questions
14:50 alynn26 Yep, have a draft done already.
14:50 sandbergja nice!
14:50 sandbergja alynn26++
14:50 krvmga alynn26++
14:50 alynn26 https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/GF7FFJT
14:51 sandbergja It's really pretty!
14:51 meme Wow..good job.
14:51 alynn26 Any additional questions, are changes
14:52 alynn26 or changes
14:52 sandbergja I think it looks great
14:52 Christineb looks great!!
14:52 Christineb alynn26++
14:52 jihpringle alynn26++
14:52 * krvmga opens survey
14:52 krvmga this looks really good.
14:52 meme Did you want to include the follow up comments at the end?
14:53 meme Anything else you want to say about evergreen documentation?
14:53 krvmga does #7 take care of that?
14:53 krvmga maybe it's not enough
14:53 sandbergja Not necessarily
14:53 meme I was just comparing to original..
14:54 krvmga i'm all in favor of comments
14:54 sandbergja They might have something really good to say about the docs, which they wouldn't really put in #7
14:54 alynn26 That i can add.
14:54 sandbergja Thanks!
14:54 krvmga i'd be happy to see an extra unrequired comment at the end.
14:54 sandbergja How long should we keep the survey open?  Until start of April?
14:54 * alynn26 edits survey quickly.
14:54 krvmga are we making #7 mandatory?
14:55 krvmga not against it; just asking
14:55 jihpringle I don't think #7 should be mandatory
14:55 meme If you did early april, then you can discuss at conference
14:56 sandbergja Just spotted one other potential change.  On #4, should they be allowed to choose only one answer?
14:56 krvmga in the event there is not a lot of response, can we be flexible and leave the survey open (i.e. to some promotion at the conference)?
14:57 meme Good thinking on promoting survey at conference.
14:57 jihpringle I'd be tempted to leave it open for longer, ie. post conference
14:57 krvmga since it says "go to first"; can't go to two people first :)
14:57 alynn26 I was thinking about #4 and looking at it, for me it depends on what I am looking for.
14:57 krvmga (unless they're sitting right by each other maybe :) )
14:57 alynn26 Is it something I know in the docs then the docs I head to first.
14:58 * krvmga thinks alynn26 makes a good point.
14:58 meme Can we switch to ratings, first, second and third?
14:58 alynn26 We can switch it. to ratings if you want.
14:58 jihpringle I like the idea of ratings
14:58 sandbergja +1
14:58 alynn26 I made #7 not Mandatory.
14:58 krvmga meme's idea is good, i think
14:58 krvmga +1
15:00 krvmga shall we vote to release the survey into the wild after that change?
15:00 sandbergja Let's do it!
15:00 jihpringle if we want to promote it at the conference do we want the end date to be something like June 1st?
15:00 meme +1
15:00 Christineb +1
15:00 alynn26 Ol, be looking for it in your email
15:00 krvmga sandbergja++
15:00 krvmga :)
15:00 sandbergja +1 to June 1st as deadline
15:01 meme +1
15:01 krvmga i'd put the end day in early May maybe
15:01 krvmga but maybe that's too soon
15:01 sandbergja Well, we can be sure to pester people to take it, and set it to early May
15:01 jihpringle if we want to promote it at the conference I think we need to give staff a few weeks after to get it out to libraries, especially in consortiu,
15:01 krvmga May 20?
15:02 krvmga that's about 4 weeks after the conference
15:02 jihpringle May 20 sounds good to me
15:02 sandbergja Any objections to May 20?
15:02 meme none..
15:02 sandbergja #agreed the survey will be due May 20
15:02 sandbergja Cool, thanks everyone for a great meeting!
15:02 krvmga thanks everyone!!
15:02 sandbergja and thanks for all your work on this project!
15:02 krvmga sandbergja++
15:02 krvmga meme++
15:02 meme Thanks...
15:03 krvmga jihpringle++
15:03 jihpringle sandbergja++
15:03 krvmga alynn26++
15:03 sandbergja #endmeeting
15:03 pinesol_green Meeting ended Mon Mar  7 15:03:12 2016 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:03 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2016/evergreen.2016-03-07-14.01.html
15:03 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2016/evergreen.2016-03-07-14.01.txt
15:03 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2016/evergreen.2016-03-07-14.01.log.html
15:03 krvmga Christineb++
15:03 sandbergja krvmga++ !
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16:00 Bmagic sandbergja++
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16:26 Dyrcona Do the numbers that acquisitions put in on order barcodes and call numbers mean anything? That is, do they relate to an id somewhere else in the database?
16:35 tsbere Dyrcona: acq.lineitem_detail ids, I think
16:35 tsbere I think it does the same thing for the call numbers too
16:37 rhamby That sounds right to me.  I looked at it a while back for a cleanup task.
16:38 tsbere Looks easier to go the other way. Copy id to the same id in said table.
16:38 tsbere But meh
16:39 * tsbere isn't sure what is being looked at, just that Dyrcona's office isn't large enough for him to join in to find out ;)
16:42 rhamby Is it a broom cupboard office?
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16:44 Dyrcona tsbere: That looks like it, but this lineitem_detail was deleted.
16:44 Dyrcona rhamby: It used to be a short hallway leading to stairs into another part of the building.
16:46 Dyrcona If the fund was over encumbered, it probably never created the lineitem_detail in the first place.
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