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10:02 berick kmlussier: re: circ.format.history.csv.  good catch, thanks.  the upgrade script was modifying the core_type, but not the seed data file.  re: print/email, I don't think anything uses those today.
10:03 kmlussier berick: Thanks! I'm going to look at that branch again in a few minutes once I finish up on some other tasks.
10:03 berick awesome.  i pushed a fix to for the seed data.
10:03 kmlussier berick++
10:05 berick kmlussier: did I understand correctly that you all are testing bug 1333254 as well?
10:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1333254 in Evergreen "EDI invoices automatically expend debits" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333254
10:07 kmlussier berick: Yes, we have somebody looking at it now, and I also sent login information to some Sitka folks who were interested in looking at it.
10:07 berick kmlussier++
10:08 berick sitka++
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10:34 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] LP#1526546 Sort copies by part label in holdings maint. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=56cf5c5>
10:36 csharp so do "collab" branches allow anyone with access to the working repo to push to them?
10:37 csharp mrpeters and I are working on bug 1516104 and he's unable to push his changes
10:37 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1516104 in Evergreen "Wishlist: Additional Acq Toolbar Options" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516104 - Assigned to Chris Sharp (chrissharp123)
10:37 csharp collab/csharp/lp1516104_acq_search_icons is the branch in question
10:37 berick csharp: IIRC, yes, but only the creator can force-push.
10:37 csharp ah - ok
10:44 kmlussier @coffee {someone]
10:44 pinesol_green kmlussier: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
10:45 kmlussier heh
10:45 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
10:45 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Hamma Cooperative Yirgacheffe, Fair-Trade Organic, and sends it sliding down the bar to berick
10:46 berick nothing beats a hot cup of Yirgacheffe
10:46 csharp just like grandma used to brew
10:47 * kmlussier continues to sip her cup of Folgers
10:47 * csharp is just kidding about "grandma" - his grandmothers were "Mamo" and "Nunny"
10:48 berick heh
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10:48 berick my niece calls my dad "Grandy"
10:49 kmlussier Awww, that's sweet.
10:49 berick the best of course of is Fry calling his long-lost grandfather Shabadoo
10:49 csharp berick++
10:50 kmlussier I think I missed that episode
10:51 csharp futurama++
10:52 csharp anything_by_matt_groening++
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12:01 bshum @coffee kmlussier
12:01 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of NOBLE Coffee, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier
12:02 kmlussier bshum++
12:03 mmorgan NOBLE Coffee++
12:05 kmlussier @coffee
12:05 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Sumatra Lake Tawar, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier
12:07 jwoodard @praise gimp
12:07 * pinesol_green In days of old, it was prophesied that a hero would come and restore karmic balance to #evergreen. gimp is that hero.
12:08 bshum @redact [quote random]
12:08 pinesol_green bshum: Quote #69: "jeff: All the pain of RHEL, with ████ of the support." (added by Dyrcona at 08:57 AM, October 30, 2013)
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12:17 csharp I didn't know we had @redact in here
12:18 csharp @redact [tea [someone]]
12:18 * pinesol_green An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
12:18 csharp heh
12:18 csharp @redact quote random
12:18 pinesol_green csharp: quote random
12:18 bshum csharp: Neither did I till I looked at the assorted plugin we cobbled together.
12:18 csharp @redact [quote random]
12:18 pinesol_green csharp: Quote #19: "_bott_: I ████ I'd get what I ██████ ███████ of what I asked for" (█████ by Dyrcona at ██:██ AM, ████████ 15, 2011)
12:18 csharp there we go
12:18 csharp the quotes go from amusing to intriguing very quickly with that plugin
12:19 bshum @quote get 19
12:19 pinesol_green bshum: Quote #19: "_bott_: I wish I'd get what I wanted instead of what I asked for" (added by Dyrcona at 11:02 AM, November 15, 2011)
12:19 bshum Indeed :)
12:39 berick ... but if you try sometime, you find, you get what you asked for ♫
12:40 bshum berick++
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13:10 kmlussier Christineb / jihpringle: Are either of you testing acq on the MassLNC VM right now? I was planning to take it down for a few minutes to add an updated branch.
13:10 Christineb kmlussier: not right now
13:10 Christineb will be doing more testing this afternoon
13:11 Christineb kmlussier thanks for heads up :D
13:11 kmlussier It will be up again in 15 / 20 minutes.
13:11 Christineb perfect
13:28 * tsbere shakes his fist at *update installers* that ask you to change your homepage, default search engine, and install toolbars, defaulting to doing so and labeling it "RECOMMENDED"
13:31 berick for tsbere http://i46.tinypic.com/2q21qi8.jpg
13:31 jeff my computer isn't powerful enough to display the ads on that page without lagging.
13:32 jeff i feel that were i running a Windows operating system, i'd have a new toolbar already, just viewing the page.
13:34 jeff ads--
13:35 berick jeff: what page are you talking about?
13:37 tsbere berick: I have, at times, found *worse*. Back when I fixed computers for a living.
13:37 berick tsbere: i can only imagine
13:37 jeff berick: the tinypic page.
13:38 * tsbere once was sent out to fix a machine with over 200 toolbars set to show in IE
13:39 berick jeff: oh, duh, i thought you were being serious for some reason ;)
13:40 jeff berick: no, i was being serious.
13:40 jeffdavis Should we expect any significant increase in disk usage with the TT2 caching from bug 1449709?
13:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1449709 in Evergreen "support caching of compiled Template Toolkit templates" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1449709
13:40 jeff thought i was, at least.
13:40 berick jeff: you're computer isn't powerful enough to display a JPG? :)
13:41 * tsbere now shakes his fist at this horribly unresponsive Java applet
13:42 tsbere That, so far, doesn't load properly in Firefox, is horribly glitchy in IE, and I am not sure I want to see if Chrome plays nice with it...
13:42 jeff 725 requests over 3 minutes and 11.7 MB later, still no sign of the actual image you were trying to link. I think it was one of the 187 javascript errors early on. :-)
13:43 jeff berick: but don't worry, an earlier attempt (before i opened dev tools to see what the heck was going on) loaded enough for me to see which image it was, and it was one i was familiar with. :-)
13:44 jeff anyway, ads--
13:44 berick jeff: oh my
13:45 kmlussier Christineb: The test server is back up again.
13:45 berick the internet is a scary place
13:45 berick (which is kind of what I like about it)
13:45 Christineb kmlussier: awesome thank you,  I plan to finish testing by EOD
13:45 kmlussier Christineb: You'll need to download a new client too. Sorry.
13:46 csharp @blame The Internet
13:46 pinesol_green csharp: The Internet 's bugfix broke csharp's feature!
13:46 Christineb kmlussier: no problem, can you send me the link?
13:46 kmlussier Christineb: http://mlnc2.mvlcstaff.org​/updates/manualupdate.html
13:46 Christineb perfect Thank you
13:49 berick @redact [blame The Internet]
13:49 pinesol_green berick: It really IS The Internet's fault!
14:24 dbwells grabbing 0959
14:31 pinesol_green [evergreen|Chris Sharp] LP#1206936 - Fix wrong billing info in money.transaction_billing_summary - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6d24cb9>
14:31 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP#1206936 Stamping upgrade script; adding test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b4415fa>
14:46 mmorgan I have a number of mark lost trigger events that are stuck in state "collected". If I add a repeatability delay and run the trigger again, will new events be created and these "collected" ones just be ignored?
14:47 mmorgan Or will these collected ones cause me even more grief than triggers genrally do?
14:47 mmorgan /genrally/generally
14:48 berick mmorgan: the "collected" events will be stuck in collected until/unless you run a SQL query to reset/invalidate them.
14:48 berick (assuming they are actually stuck and not just mid-processing)
14:50 mmorgan berick: Thanks. They are definitely stuck. So best practice sould be to run a query to set the state to "invalid" if I want to start fresh?
14:50 * mmorgan can't type today.
14:52 berick mmorgan: if you just wan to get rid of them, yes, set the state to 'invalid' or 'error', whichever makes more sense to you.
14:52 berick if you want to re-process them, set the state to 'pending'
14:53 berick if you re-process, they will be re-validated by A/T.
14:54 mmorgan my interval between processing delay and max validity was too large, so I definitely don't want to reprocess them all at once. I suppose I could reset them to pending incrementally.
14:55 berick gotcha.  also, if they are old enough, beware subsequent notices occuring on the same items.  E.g a 14-day over notice occuring after a 7-day notice failed to send.
14:56 berick probably dont' want the 7-day notice in that case
14:57 mmorgan berick: Good point. This is a mark lost trigger, so that shouldn't be a problem.
14:57 csharp mmorgan: here's a bash script I used for batch processing longoverdue events in reasonably-sized chunks: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/pines.git;​a=blob;f=longoverdue/batch_process_longoverdue.sh;​h=343fa7bef5d55378036eea4a59f1d044a10fb295;hb=HEAD
14:58 csharp basically processes a month of circs at a time
14:58 csharp then counts down to whatever you want
14:59 mmorgan csharp: Thanks! That could certainly save me some time :)
15:00 csharp I hope so ;-)
15:00 * csharp hates having to reinvent the wheel for things that everyone eventually has to deal with, so likes to share this kind of thing ;-)
15:00 mmorgan A general question, if I did reset some to pending, I suspect I would need to run the  command again, and it would just pick up the existing events where they left off, now that they're pending?
15:02 csharp mmorgan: yes, if they fit the delay/max delay window
15:02 berick mmorgan: the next time action_trigger_runner.pl with --run-pending and either no --granularity (i.e. all granularities) or the --granularity of the event_def in question, it will pick them up and process them
15:03 berick csharp: in this case, the events already exist, so the delay window does not come into place
15:03 csharp mmorgan: for my script, I (re)set all of them to 'pending' and used delay/max delay to control which ones got picked up
15:04 mmorgan csharp: Ah, ok, and it looks like you found a month to be a reasonable size interval?
15:04 csharp berick: mmorgan: ok cool - don't mean to muddy the water!
15:04 berick IOW, an overdue event that was created a year ago will run just fine if reset to pending, regardless of the delay info on the event-def
15:04 csharp mmorgan: in our case it was a reasonable size
15:06 mmorgan I was working in month intervals, too, but I tend to sometimes be a little conservative. And then there was the typo thing :-(
15:08 * mmorgan returns to processing lost items with renewed enthusiasm.
15:08 mmorgan berick++ csharp++
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15:10 tsbere csharp: I just tweaked our settings for our utility box drones so that the entire block could actually be handled in the one call.
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15:14 csharp tsbere: oh yeah?  I guess that's in OpenSRF config?
15:15 tsbere csharp: Mainly messed with the, cstore only I think, keepalive there, yea. Because I did so in the hosts block for our utility vm there is no change to our non-utility machines.
15:15 miker jeffdavis: I didn't see an answer to your question ... no, I wouldn't expect a significant increase. certainly no more than, say, 2x the size of the templates themselves. it's basically just saving perl-ified templates. is /tmp getting really big all of a sudden? could be vandelay or offline uploads...
15:15 csharp tsbere: cool
15:15 tsbere csharp: I might have done the same to storage...
15:16 csharp I actually never investigated *why* they were dying, I just thought "oh well, I guess we need smaller batches"
15:16 tsbere csharp: so hosts->*hostname*->apps->o​pen-ils.cstore->keepalive, then the same for open-ils.storage
15:17 csharp tsbere: cool
15:17 * tsbere likely has a unix_config block there too to change the children counts
15:18 jeffdavis miker: awesome, thanks!
15:18 tsbere csharp: I went with an insane keepalive of something like 120 for the utility vm, which I don't recommend if apache may be involved at all, but we don't run apache there.
15:19 tsbere Or SIP, for that matter
15:25 kmlussier @coffee mmorgan
15:25 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Kenya Gichathaini, and sends it sliding down the bar to mmorgan
15:26 mmorgan Thank you! that's way better than the almost hot chocolate!
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18:33 bshum @dessert
18:33 * pinesol_green grabs some Pineapple Upside Down Cake for bshum
18:36 Christineb I want dessert
18:36 Christineb @dessert
18:36 * pinesol_green grabs some Chocolate Mousse for Christineb
18:36 Christineb mmm Chocolate
18:53 bshum Aw man, I love chocolate mousse...
18:53 bshum dbwells++ # parts happiness
18:54 bmills dbwells++ kmlussier++ speedy help on lp 1422802
18:54 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1422802 in Evergreen "Parts need to be more visible on the place holds screen" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422802
19:45 kmlussier dbwells++
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21:22 kmlussier @sortinghat
21:22 pinesol_green Hmm... kmlussier... Let me see now... SLYTHERIN!
21:22 kmlussier Yay!
23:42 kmlussier @librarian
23:42 pinesol_green kmlussier: Management:10, Cataloging:4, Acquisitions:17, Reference:7, Circulation:15, Systems:8, Research:11, Custodial:17
23:42 kmlussier Custodial 17. Sounds about right.
23:49 kmlussier bshum++
23:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|blake] LP1402770_column_picker_option_for_number_of_holds - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0bd362e>
23:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP1402770: Release notes entry for holds count column picker - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bdc60fc>
23:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP1402770: Do not show Holds Count by default in most item screens - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6687b1b>
23:59 bshum @weather
23:59 pinesol_green bshum: New Milford, CT :: Rain :: 62F/17C | Wednesday: Windy with thunderstorms likely. Lows overnight in the upper 40s. Wednesday Night: Windy...thunderstorms likely this evening, with occasional showers overnight. Low 49F. Winds S at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph.

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