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08:33 jboyer-isl Anyone around who can remind me (if we have) our policy on the pullrequest tag on LP? Wait for outside testing confirmation first, or apply when there's a branch ready to test?
08:36 Dyrcona jboyer-isl: Put it on when you have a branch ready to test.
08:36 jboyer-isl That's what I figured, thanks Dyrcona.
08:37 Dyrcona Branches sometimes get pushed without the bug ever being confirmed.
08:38 * Dyrcona deals with the aftermath of having changed his email password.
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08:38 Dyrcona A script failed last night, 'cause it tried my old password.
08:39 Dyrcona I always forget to change its configuration when I change my email password.... :(
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08:39 Dyrcona Thing I just have to send the email to the vendor.
08:39 Dyrcona s/Thing/Think/
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11:06 gmcharlt may be of interest: some vulnernabilities in the OpenSSH client were discovered: https://www.qualys.com/2016/01/14/​cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778/openss​h-cve-2016-0777-cve-2016-0778.txt
11:06 pinesol_green ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/c​vename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-0777)
11:06 pinesol_green ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem.  When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/c​vename.cgi?name=CVE-2016-0778)
11:08 Dyrcona Ubuntu updates both client and server. FreeBSD only updates the client. FWIW.
11:10 csharp ooh - I didn't know pinesol_green knew about those
11:13 Dyrcona I also thought they were published already, one is information leak from client to server.
11:17 Dyrcona @weather
11:17 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Methuen, MA :: Overcast :: 30F/-1C | Wind Chill: 26F/-3C | Friday: Considerable cloudiness. High 34F. Winds light and variable. Friday Night: Cloudy with occasional rain late. Areas of freezing rain possible. Low 31F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80%.
11:17 Dyrcona @weather 01845
11:17 pinesol_green Dyrcona: North Andover, MA :: Overcast :: 30F/-1C | Wind Chill: 26F/-3C | Friday: Considerable cloudiness. High 34F. Winds light and variable. Friday Night: Cloudy skies with periods of rain late. Low 31F. Winds NE at 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 70%.
11:17 Dyrcona There's a guy on the construction site wearing a t-shirt and no jacket.
11:18 Dyrcona It isn't as cold as I thought it was.
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12:41 * gmcharlt snort-laughs at something send to the feedback address
12:41 gmcharlt no, I'm pretty sure we don't need a "specialist finance company" to blog for the Evergreen project
12:43 Dyrcona heh
12:51 Dyrcona And now, NCIPServer can take care of shelf-expired holds in Evergreen.
13:00 jeff "take care of" in what way?
13:02 jeff (he asked, curiously)
13:02 Dyrcona Well, that works, but I broke regular checkins.
13:02 Dyrcona jeff: Clear them.
13:03 Dyrcona Missing a >....stupid.
13:03 jeff I'm trying to think of the scenario where NCIP is involved in shelf-expired holds. Probably just not something that would apply in our usage, but I'm still curious if you're willing to detail.
13:04 Dyrcona jeff: We get sent the copy information, it gets put on hold. Patron never picks it up. Library staff "return" it in ILL system without handling it in Evergreen first.
13:05 Dyrcona The ILL system sends us a CheckinItem message.
13:09 kmlussier miker++ #Assistance on bug 1482757
13:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1482757 in Evergreen "Loading records with located URIs should not delete and recreate call_numbers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482757
13:16 mmorgan miker++
13:18 miker "should does" ??? I should read what my finger spew before sending ;)
13:18 kmlussier miker: No worries. We all know you speaks english good
13:18 Dyrcona meh. we all do that from time to time.
13:18 Dyrcona miker++
13:18 Dyrcona english--
13:19 kmlussier mmorgan: If miker doen't have time to branchify it, I was thinking that could be something to branchify on git day.
13:19 mmorgan "should does" is better than "shouldn't does" ;-)
13:19 miker mmorgan: point! :)
13:20 kmlussier I often type 'not' in place of 'now' or vice versa. Totally changes the meaning of what I'm trying to say.
13:23 mmorgan kmlussier: Yes, it could be a good exercise for git day.
13:23 mmorgan Or maybe I should say "could does"
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13:38 dbwells kmlussier: I have the exact same issue.  So many times of typing in emails, "ok, everything should not be working".  I think I've generally caught them, but who knows :)
14:09 berick anyone know how to kill git bash tab completion?  I'v commented out the contents of /etc/bash_completion.d/git-prompt which had no effect.
14:09 berick getting real tired of:  git log O<tab> => ORIG_HEAD  (obviously, I want Open-ILS instead)
14:13 jeff git log -- O<tab>
14:13 tsbere berick: Also, you may need a new bash shell if you messed with bash_completion.d scripts (as they already are part of the shell beforehand)
14:14 berick tsbere: I rebooted :(
14:14 berick jeff: heh, that works, but ugh
14:16 tsbere berick: perhaps sudo apt-get remove git-completion git-completion git-completion:i386
14:17 tsbere oops, must have triple-pasted before adding the i386 instead of double. <_<
14:17 jeff on wheezy, the git package installs /etc/bash_completion.d/git
14:18 berick yeah, it's not a separate package on 14.04 either
14:19 jeff on jessie, i suspect /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/git is the primary "culprit"
14:20 berick jeff++ that looks promising
14:20 jeffdavis What I really want is tab-completion that reads my mind^W^W^Wintelligently guesses whether I am looking for a branch or a path.
14:20 * berick just wants to kill it with fire
14:20 tsbere jeffdavis: That is what the -- is for, I think. <_<
14:21 jeffdavis tsbere: but that's like three extra characters to type, and I am lazy and prefer to just complain about it :P
14:23 berick jeff: that was it.  thanks
14:24 berick just moved the file to somewhere else for safe keeping
14:34 Dyrcona jeffdavis: That's how git log works.
14:34 Dyrcona -- means end of special commands, everything else is a file.
14:42 * Dyrcona spends too much time with git.
14:43 * Dyrcona realizes he should have used more options when he rebased a branch from master to one of MVLC's customization branches.
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14:44 Dyrcona "And [s]he says... Help! I'm stepping into the twilight zone....Place is a madhouse....Feels like being cloned!"
14:46 kmlussier-clone ha ha
14:47 * kmlussier-clone always thinks it's a good idea to work from the library until she remembers that her usual IRC client doesn't work there.
14:50 kmlussier-clone OK, today is the deadline for conference proposals. In my notes from the hack-a-way, I see something that says I should submit a proposal to continue the search discussion at the conference.
14:50 kmlussier-clone With the idea that I would be doing some kind of online discussion through the lists / IRC between now and then. Still working on that.
14:51 kmlussier-clone Does anyone have a recollection of what the focus of the conference discussion should be?
14:52 * kmlussier-clone could always make up a description and wing it when she gets to the conference.
14:55 kmlussier-clone Nice! There are a few opac customization session proposals that I think could complement each other really well.
14:55 kmlussier-clone @monologue
14:55 pinesol_green kmlussier-clone: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.
15:00 kmlussier-clone akilsdonk_: I like your approach of tackling acquisitions in distinct sections to cover specific topics.
15:13 Dyrcona Always fun reading a query that you wrote over 2 years ago, and going, "Wha'?"
15:16 Bmagic When you need to take the servers down for upgrades and the database down for upgrades - Anyone have a solution that doesn't break SIP authentication for patrons getting access to electronic materials during the server outage?
15:16 Bmagic I suppose I could have a copy of the database running and point the SIP server to it for a short time? (risky though, they might want to make changes to the DB, which wouldn't be in production)
15:19 Dyrcona @dunno get 11
15:19 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Dunno #11: "Down time is a fact of business when you're a poor 501c3 corporation." (added by Dyrcona at 11:26 AM, August 07, 2012)
15:30 berick heh
15:31 berick Bmagic: authentication causes inserts to actor.usr_activity, so yeah, you'd be losing data if you did that.
15:32 jeff Bmagic: we have a solution for that, yeah. only works for ezproxy, since we don't abuse SIP for vendor auth. ;-)
15:32 * jeff ducks
15:32 jeff but yeah, we move remote electronic resource/service auth over to "offline" mode based on a snapshot of credentials taken just before downtime.
15:33 kmlussier-clone I think one of the MassLNC consortia has done SIP logins against a backup database during an upgrade, but I could be misremembering.
15:34 jeff a rapid fire STOP DOING THESE THINGS lightning talk probably wouldn't be appropriate.
15:35 jeff can we have evening lightning talks?
15:36 kmlussier-clone Ooh! I have a lightning talk that would fit under that category.
15:36 jeff or is that just up to interested parties to find a coffeeshop/bar with a whiteboard and/or projector? :-)
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15:40 akilsdonk_ kmlussier-clone: Thanks!  I think think it's easier to digest all that information in smaller pieces.  :)
16:05 * Dyrcona backs out of the rabbit hole, slowly.
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16:06 * Dyrcona scratches his head again at the query from Oct. 2013....
16:09 Dyrcona @dunno
16:09 pinesol_green Dyrcona: You probably want hard-boiled eggs.
16:09 Dyrcona pinesol_green: I do! Bring me some.
16:09 pinesol_green Dyrcona: http://images.cryhavok.org/​d/1291-1/Computer+Rage.gif
16:09 pinesol_green Dyrcona: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
16:11 berick still the finest gif on the internet
16:23 Dyrcona Hmmm.. I have a distinct in my array_agg() but I can I distinct on an array_agg()?
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16:40 Bmagic anyone else think that pinesol_green should be renamed to something else? I don't like the underscore lol
16:41 Bmagic What is the history on the name?
16:41 Dyrcona Originally, it was pinesol, but I think that name was taken by a bot in another channel.
16:41 Bmagic ah, that makes sense
16:42 * jeff can fix that
16:43 Bmagic how about egcool or everbot or... hmmmmm something short and awesome
16:45 berick we shall call it Shadowfax, the lord of all bots!
16:47 berick +1 to rename;  +1 to removing the "i am only a bot message", which totally kills the vibe
16:50 jeff okay, registered nickname pinesol and grouped pinesol_green to it.
16:51 jeff (neither nickname was registered)
16:51 berick jeff++
16:51 Dyrcona marvin is probably taken... ;)
16:52 Dyrcona jeff++
16:53 csharp @love postgresql
16:53 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp loves postgresql.
16:53 csharp replication slots & pg_basebackup are the bomb
16:53 jeff heh
17:04 miker csharp: handy, eh?
17:04 miker also, I think we shoul rename pinesol to turpentine
17:05 jlitrell Turps
17:05 berick hah
17:05 berick Lil' Turps
17:06 jlitrell He was such a good lad...
17:12 csharp @nick turpentine
17:12 pinesol_green csharp: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:13 csharp @reload
17:13 pinesol_green csharp: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:13 csharp @reload
17:13 pinesol_green csharp: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:13 csharp sorry for channel noise :-/
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17:16 csharp @nick turpentine
17:16 pinesol_temp csharp: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:16 csharp @nick turpentine
17:16 pinesol_temp csharp: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:16 csharp okay have it your way
17:18 jeff csharp: in a private message to the bot, see what @whoami returns.
17:20 csharp jeff: it's just my nick
17:20 * csharp has tried to get admin/owner powers before, but has never succeeded
17:21 jeff @nick pinesol_mauve
17:21 jeff @nick pinesol_green
17:21 jeff interesting. i'll look into it later.
17:22 jeff the csharp user appears to have the correct capabilities.
17:22 jeff and if whoami returns csharp...
17:29 Bmagic I like marvin
17:30 Bmagic any ready player one fans? how about parzival ?
17:34 csharp jeff: I added them to users.conf
17:35 csharp jeff: thanks for your assistance
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17:43 berick Bmagic: loved ready player one!
17:44 Bmagic berick: IKR!! Can't wait for Steven S. To get that movie done!
17:46 berick I hope they have a nice big budget :)
17:46 Bmagic yeah, just to pay all of the copyright holders alone!
17:47 berick hah, didn't think of that
17:47 berick yeah, i'm excited
17:47 Bmagic war games, monty python, ladyhawk, every video game ever made - just for starters
18:27 bshum Bmagic: Actually the original history is that it was named pinesol, but we named it pinesol_green when we migrated from one production web server to another and were temporarily running two separate bots
18:28 bshum OG pinesol went away, and we never ended up renaming the new one
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