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Dyrcona |
Whee! alum.rpi.edu backscatter! |
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Dyrcona |
And another kernel update.... |
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Dyrcona |
BBIAB! |
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kmlussier |
good morning #evergreen! |
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kmlussier |
@coffee [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Rusty's Hawaiian Red Caturra Natural, and sends it sliding down the bar to gmcharlt |
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kmlussier |
@tea [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Huang Shan Mao Feng Green Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to artunit (http://ratetea.com/tea/teavivre/huang-shan-mao-feng-green-tea/6041/) |
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gmcharlt |
yay! |
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gmcharlt |
kmlussier++ |
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kmlussier |
gmcharlt: I'm happy to see that pinesol_green handed out to somebody who truly appreciates a good cup of coffee. |
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lualaba |
Hello could anyone have suggestion on evergreen 2.8 why web client not working (sign in button not workik also workstation field is empty) desctop staff client working without any problem |
| 09:58 |
lualaba |
hostname/eg/staff/login?route_to=%2Feg%2Fstaff%2Fhome same is for eg/staff/home |
| 10:03 |
kmlussier |
lualaba: I can't help you with the login problems, but I just wanted to let you now that the empty workstation is expected if you haven't previously logged into the web client. |
| 10:04 |
kmlussier |
You need to log into the web client first before you can register the workstation, so the first login usually shows an empty workstation. |
| 10:05 |
lualaba |
but i can't login also i not able find log files with error (may be there is specific location)? |
| 10:05 |
berick |
lualaba: check your browser's javascript console. |
| 10:06 |
lualaba |
already checked enabled |
| 10:06 |
berick |
what does it say when you try to log in? |
| 10:07 |
lualaba |
nothing sign in button not working, also not try to do anything |
| 10:08 |
berick |
does it say anything after reloading the page? |
| 10:08 |
berick |
there should at least be some logs or an error |
| 10:11 |
lualaba |
this is way i am wondering no errors no logs |
| 10:11 |
berick |
what browser? |
| 10:11 |
lualaba |
chrome |
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* bshum |
has a gut feeling that it's probably websockets issue. (like not installed / started, or firewall blocked) |
| 10:12 |
csharp |
or ssl cert setup |
| 10:12 |
berick |
bshum: likely, but that would show as an error in the JS console |
| 10:12 |
berick |
there's always *something* in the js console |
| 10:12 |
bshum |
Well there should always be an error for no hatch. |
| 10:12 |
bshum |
So that seems suspicious, yeah. |
| 10:13 |
lualaba |
same in explorer no errors |
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berick |
IE won't work |
| 10:13 |
berick |
has to be chrome or FF |
| 10:13 |
lualaba |
http://92.241.95.30/eg/staff/login?route_to=%2Feg%2Fstaff%2Fhome |
| 10:13 |
lualaba |
you can check |
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berick |
lualaba: https |
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lualaba |
https same think |
| 10:14 |
kmlussier |
I get errors in the javascript console |
| 10:14 |
berick |
lualaba: I'm getting JS console errors |
| 10:14 |
bshum |
csharp: I consider SSL setup issues to be part of websockets installation/startup problems :) but it does tend to be the common problem. |
| 10:14 |
berick |
lualaba: the port is not open |
| 10:14 |
berick |
lualaba: i can't connect to 92.241.95.30 on port 7682 |
| 10:14 |
berick |
which is required for websockets |
| 10:14 |
lualaba |
which port? 443 is opened |
| 10:15 |
lualaba |
7682 ok i will try open it thank you. and what java error? and why i dont see |
| 10:15 |
berick |
lualaba: javascript |
| 10:15 |
berick |
in chrome, control-shift-j to open the JS console |
| 10:16 |
bshum |
berick++ |
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lualaba |
a ok thank you i will try |
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* berick |
wonders if any progress was made on the nginx proxy |
| 10:18 |
gmcharlt |
berick: some; expect some patch droppage in the next couple weeks |
| 10:19 |
berick |
gmcharlt++ # seeing the bat signal |
| 10:21 |
Dyrcona |
Best decision we've made at MVLC: Completely separate staff and patron bricks. |
| 10:21 |
* bshum |
really wants to do that. Someday. |
| 10:22 |
gmcharlt |
berick: also, yesterday miker and I did some blue-sky spitballing, along the lines of moving most of the mod_perl handlers for TPAC and kin to new open-ils.opac and open-ils.template services, and replacing them with a small shim written in C that knows how to grab parameters and pass off requests |
| 10:22 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: huh - that's a thought - I may follow up with you on that |
| 10:23 |
gmcharlt |
do that, and do somthing similar for supercat... and we might make the Apache backends slim enough that folding the websockets config back into it might make since |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
We had a problem on the public side yesterday that would have taken everything down had they been connected. |
| 10:23 |
gmcharlt |
like I said... just spitballnin' at the moment |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: That sounds cool. |
| 10:25 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Is the RFC at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=feature:academic_reserves what eventually became Syrup? |
| 10:29 |
lualaba |
i will return with answer tomorrow helped or not opening of ports (Thank you again) |
| 10:32 |
berick |
gmcharlt: interesing, so apache receives the tpac request, passes it off (via C apache handler) to open-ils.template/opac which ultimatel returns the HTML? |
| 10:32 |
berick |
*ultimately |
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gmcharlt |
berick: yes |
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jeff |
hrm. |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org |
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* dbs |
won't be able to make it to the dev meeting today; he has a conflicting appointment to bring the kids to the local public library makerspace for a GeekOut hour |
| 14:48 |
dbs |
Squishy Circuits was week one; Makey Makey week two; what will this week bring? :) |
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jeff |
littleBits? |
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berick |
battlebots |
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rjackson_isl |
seeing an issue within staff client (2.7.2) where search performed by keword (title) and limitied to a specific branch - the bib has no holdings and source is set to one that is transcendant of false |
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rjackson_isl |
any clue as to what causes this? |
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jeff |
rjackson_isl: if a bib has zero holdings it will show in staff searches regardless of location. |
| 14:57 |
jeff |
in jspac, these used to be "grey" records. |
| 14:57 |
rjackson_isl |
jeff: OK - local cataloger indicated if selecting a branch/system they don't show - but I thought what you said! |
| 14:58 |
tsbere |
rjackson_isl: I think, to clarify, that should be "zero holdings and no located URIs", or probably from a DB POV more accurately as "no non-deleted call numbers". |
| 14:58 |
rjackson_isl |
there are no call number deleted or otherwise4 |
| 14:58 |
jeff |
i think the intent was so that staff could more easily find new bibs to attach physical holdings, but i'm uncertain. |
| 14:58 |
rjackson_isl |
yeah - that was my vague recollection as well |
| 14:59 |
jeff |
i'd support the idea of changing the behavior so that they only appear for top-of-tree or with another modifier used by staff cataloging/processing items. :-) |
| 14:59 |
rjackson_isl |
jeff++ tsbere++ |
| 14:59 |
tsbere |
jeff: Perhaps add a #empty to go along with the existing #staff? |
| 15:00 |
jeff |
right. along those lines. maybe even give users a pref to toggle that would make all of their searches #empty by default. |
| 15:01 |
tsbere |
Question is, should #empty require that #staff be set as well, or should they be split entirely? |
| 15:02 |
jeff |
#empty should be restricted to staff. #empty might imply #staff. |
| 15:03 |
jeff |
#deleted might be closely related. |
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tsbere |
Technically #deleted doesn't require #staff....in fact, I don't think #staff has any effect on #deleted, #deleted kindof overrides some of that. |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
Yeah, I think I was thinking (incorrectly?) that #staff was also permission locked somewhere. |
| 15:05 |
tsbere |
nah |
| 15:06 |
tsbere |
Drop #staff into a public search and you get the base results. Not all the staff details if not in the staff client, but the results will be there. |
| 15:06 |
tsbere |
Staff client searches just add it by default ;) |
| 15:06 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 15:07 |
* tsbere |
has at times wanted a #public modifier that overrode #staff so that staff could see bibs by the "would show up for the public" limitation in the staff client |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
hmm - since, ostensibly, the dev meeting should have started a few minutes ago, but nobody's yet volunteered to run it, and since there's no agenda... shall we skip it until January? |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
to be clear, if there are things folks want discuss, I'm game |
| 15:08 |
tsbere |
I'm game either way, but the only topic I have in my head right now to discuss is this search modifier thing, which isn't really fleshed out enough for a full on meeting topic. |
| 15:08 |
berick |
hm, yeah, +1 to skipping / informal meeting |
| 15:11 |
RoganH |
I'm always game to skip a meeting even if I'm unlikely to chime in... on principal. |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
sounds good |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
tsbere: at first blush, a #public modifier makes since; at the very least, I agree on the usefulness of adding support for that use case |
| 15:13 |
tsbere |
gmcharlt: I could also see just adding a way to *not* add the automatic #staff. Say, making it *not* automatic but add a checkbox for it that only shows up for staff? |
| 15:14 |
* tsbere |
could also see a dropdown containing "Public" (add nothing), "Staff" (add #staff), and "Deleted" (add #deleted) entries |
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kmlussier |
Belatedly, I'm okay with skipping the meeting, especially if we have nothing to discuss. |
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Bmagic |
meetings are annoying. Unless they are about Evergreen! Then, they are fun! |
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| 15:24 |
kmlussier |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:26 |
kmlussier |
All my meetings are about Evergreen, ergo all my meetings are fun. |
| 15:27 |
berick |
QED, mic drop |
| 15:28 |
berick |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:37 |
phasefx |
nothing you can say can take me away from my MARC, my MARC |
| 15:37 |
bshum |
@quote add <phasefx> Nothing you can say can take me away from my MARC, my MARC |
| 15:37 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The operation succeeded. Quote #130 added. |
| 15:37 |
18WABA428 |
bshum: The operation succeeded. Quote #130 added. |
| 15:38 |
bshum |
Well that's funny, two bots.... |
| 15:38 |
gmcharlt |
bshum++ # beat me to it |
| 15:39 |
jeff |
erk. |
| 15:39 |
jeff |
@quote get 130 |
| 15:39 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Quote #130: "<phasefx> Nothing you can say can take me away from my MARC, my MARC" (added by bshum at 03:37 PM, December 02, 2015) |
| 15:39 |
jeff |
@quote get 131 |
| 15:39 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Error: There is no Quote with id #131 in my database for #evergreen. |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
@quote add <kmlussier> All my meetings are about Evergreen, ergo all my meetings are fun. |
| 15:40 |
pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #131 added. |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
@quote get random |
| 15:40 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
oops. |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
@quote random |
| 15:40 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Quote #54: "csharp gobbles up commit bits ᗧ - - - - - - - - -" (added by gmcharlt at 11:36 AM, April 19, 2013) |
| 15:40 |
jeff |
@quote random |
| 15:40 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Quote #114: "<Dyrcona> If TCP/IP were standardized like most library standards, we'd all be using AOL/CompuServe." (added by berick at 02:43 PM, May 04, 2015) |
| 15:42 |
* berick |
has no memory of this place |
| 15:43 |
Dyrcona |
berick if you like we can manufacture the memories for you and implant them into your brain. |
| 15:43 |
jboyer-isl |
wholesale! |
| 15:44 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 15:44 |
jeff |
When sending mail from CompuServe to an Internet user, format their address in the following way: >INTERNET:user example.com |
| 15:45 |
* Dyrcona |
misses bang paths...... |
| 15:45 |
jboyer-isl |
(title reference is all I've got, I've never actually read any PKD. :/ ) |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
NOT! |
| 15:45 |
* phasefx |
is glad he missed bang paths |
| 15:45 |
berick |
Dyrcona: that'd be great,thanks |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I mostly missed them, too, actually. |
| 15:45 |
phasefx |
of course, now everyone uses Facebook for email |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
phasefx: oh? |
| 15:46 |
phasefx |
jeff: feels like it :) |
| 15:46 |
Dyrcona |
Bookface! |
| 15:46 |
jboyer-isl |
millelialmail |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
phasefx: oh, you mean the "write it on the whiteboard attached to their door" style "wall" posts some people do? |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
Or pronouced with a French accent: Fesse-bouc. Look the parts up at your favorite translator/French-English dictionary. |
| 15:47 |
* phasefx |
means, he doesn't receive letters, or long emails, but maybe a paragraph or two of Facebook priv msgs from folks |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, Google Translate, you're too polite! |
| 15:48 |
phasefx |
I also get more text messages than phone calls (but I'm actually happy about that) |
| 15:49 |
* phasefx |
misses usenet |
| 15:51 |
Dyrcona |
alt.evergreen.discuss? |
| 15:51 |
Dyrcona |
followed up by alt.evergreen-ils.discuss |
| 15:52 |
Dyrcona |
then alt.evergreen-ils.discuss.its.library.software.damnit |
| 15:52 |
* Dyrcona |
probably still has a few com.*.faqs hanging around on a backup somewhere. |
| 15:52 |
phasefx |
alt.pendantic.not_part_usenet.but_i_liked_alt_anyway |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
comp.*.faqs |
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* Dyrcona |
thinks we ought to go back to something like Fidonet. Watch 'em try to track that. |
| 15:54 |
phasefx |
woof |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Ad-hoc wireless networks on cell phones.... Maybe Kim Dotcom is onto something after all.... |
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Dyrcona |
Speaking of "woof." I have to remember to pickup my dog at my in-laws on the way home from work. |
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kmlussier |
Good night #evergreen! |
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Bmagic |
laters |
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