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09:10 kmlussier miker++ #The fix for bug 1516707 is working great!
09:10 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1516707 in Evergreen "Relevance ranking deteriorates when phrases are added to search" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516707
09:10 kmlussier Dyrcona++ #Loading the fix on his VM
09:11 Dyrcona kmlussier: Should we target that for 2.8 and 2.9? It could make it into today's releases, unless we think it needs more testing.
09:12 kmlussier Dyrcona: I think it's good to go. I can merge it in a minute. Yes, I think it should be backported.
09:14 Dyrcona I've targeted it for 2.8.5 and 2.9.1. I think we should let berick decide if it goes into 2.8, though.
09:17 kmlussier OK, I'll hold off until I get the ok (or not ok) from berick then.
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09:44 Dyrcona Hmm... Wonder if we should be backporting stuff with strings changes that would affect translations?
09:44 Dyrcona This is unrelated to the branch that kmlussier and I were talking about a few minutes ago.
09:44 kmlussier Dyrcona: Which branch?
09:45 Dyrcona lp 1197636
09:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1197636 in Evergreen "Email record detail does not check for email" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197636
09:45 Dyrcona There have probably been others already.
09:46 Dyrcona When I looked at that one this morning, there was some vague reason that I felt tempted to remove the 2.8 and 2.9 series targets.
09:51 * Dyrcona is not sure if we update translations at bugfix releases, but thinks not.
09:51 kmlussier Yeah. I don't feel as strongly about not backporting string changes as other people do, especially when the bug is particularly troublesome, but I could see just merging this one to master.
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10:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1516707: Phrase search ignores CD modifiers - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c7e2d9d>
10:03 bshum Dyrcona: We usually do not do any i18n work during maintenance releases.
10:03 bshum Since LP translation only gets one file for master.
10:04 bshum And that could lead to string creep in backports
10:05 bshum I think the idea is to avoid situations where if a language does end up well translated, they don't upgrade to a point release and find themselves with random english strings unexpectedly.
10:06 Dyrcona bshum: That is what I thought. I'm going to drop the 2.9 and 2.8 targets from the bug.
10:07 bshum That said, I wonder how local admins actually handle things.
10:07 bshum They might have better grip on things than we realize.
10:07 bshum But that is the current practice.
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10:21 jboyer-isl Whoo, achievement unlocked. Managed to rebase all of our local changes from 2.7.2 to rel_2_9 with only 1 conflict and 1 “empty” commit. Moving from 2.5.2 to 2.7.2 (just noticed we went from one .2 to another, weird.) was miserable in comparison.
10:22 bshum jboyer-isl++ # cool!
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10:23 bshum That tells me either master is becoming more like you, or.... It's quiet. Too quiet.
10:23 * bshum looks over his shoulder...
10:24 jboyer-isl bshum: We’ve always been at war with eurasia, and evergreen indiana == master.
10:25 jboyer-isl Seriously though, the only local changes I want in-tree long term is our CC processing code. (I keep out OPAC templates in a separate repo, so they don’t cause any trouble,
10:25 bshum Also the .2 is probably a good safe place.
10:26 bshum The .0 is just for crazy people (like me, heh)
10:27 jboyer-isl I’m trying something else this time, we’re just tracking the release rather than a point. so long as nothing needs changing in the XUL client, our version number will be uh, smear-y.
10:28 jboyer-isl (lots of git fetch —all followed by git pull —rebase)
10:28 bshum For the most part, that works reasonably well now actually.
10:28 bshum Mostly cause XUL work is generally frozen
10:28 bshum We haven't had to change our clients between major releases.
10:29 bshum For the past year or so anyways.
10:29 Dyrcona I rebased our customizations onto rel_2_9 recently, but since they're based on master that was easy-peasy.
10:29 bshum :)
10:31 jboyer-isl Dyrcona: It’s probably not a great plan, but after our upgrades I stop looking at upstream (aside from security) until the next upgrade approaches, when I have to dust off a bunch of knowledge and start over.
10:31 jboyer-isl Though that makes me wonder, why rebase to 2.9, I thought you stayed on master for the most part?
10:31 Dyrcona I build new development/test branches almost weekly, sometimes more often, sometimes less.
10:31 Dyrcona I typically include our customization branches unless I'm build for concerto.
10:32 Dyrcona So they get rebased with some frequency.
10:32 jboyer-isl That makes sense.
10:32 Dyrcona We do have a couple of branches that have not needed a rebase in four years, though.
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10:37 Dyrcona kmlussier++ # for release notes
10:37 Dyrcona Head's up: I've decided to roll 2.9.1 early in the day.
10:38 Dyrcona Most of the fixes are in, and we'll have a few left for 2.9.2.
10:38 Dyrcona Most of the ones that haven't made it are not things that I think I can test easily, i.e. would take me more than one day or we don't normally use that feature.
10:39 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Adding bug fixes and acknowledgements to 2.9.1. Release Notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ada78de>
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11:09 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Docs: 2.8.5 point release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f14e164>
11:10 berick kmlussier++
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11:11 Dyrcona berick: Did you want the QP fix branch in 2.8? kmlussier and I weren't sure if you wanted to test it before or not.
11:11 kmlussier berick: For reference bug 1516707
11:11 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1516707 in Evergreen 2.8 "Relevance ranking deteriorates when phrases are added to search" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516707
11:12 Dyrcona heh. I was just looking the bug# up.
11:12 kmlussier I had it in an open tab
11:12 berick Dyrcona: yes, i do want it.
11:13 berick did we ever find a suitable concerto test for that?
11:13 berick (not that worried about it, really, if it works in 2.9)
11:13 Dyrcona I don't think so, but kmlussier would know better than i.
11:13 kmlussier berick: No, I don't think it's something you can test in concerto. I tested it with production data.
11:13 Dyrcona It works on my production data.
11:14 berick k
11:14 berick i'll just make sure it doesn't blow up
11:14 kmlussier berick: Actually, "violin concerto" might be a good test.
11:15 Dyrcona :)
11:16 berick i'll try that
11:16 berick thanks
11:17 Bmagic I'm attempting to create a vandelay merge profile that doesn't overlay ANYTHING. I told it to "Add Specification" 049. The results are - it added the 049 like it was supposed to but it replaced all of the other marc, and removed tags from EG in favor of the incoming marc
11:18 kmlussier Bmagic: There is a stock profile that does that. It involves the 901c
11:19 Bmagic yeah, I saw metion of that in the docs. I looked it up in the stock inserts. It just creates VALUES (1, 1, oils_i18n_gettext(1, 'Match-Only Merge', 'vmp', 'name'), '901c');
11:19 Bmagic is that right?
11:20 kmlussier yeah, 901c gets put in the replace specification field. That's the one we use for our acq imports.
11:21 kmlussier And if you put 901c in the preserve specification field, everything gets overlaid.
11:33 Bmagic I see
11:33 Bmagic A little trick
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12:03 jeff @weather ktvc
12:03 pinesol_green jeff: Cherry Capital, MI :: Overcast :: 60F/16C | Wednesday: Rain showers along with windy conditions. High 61F. Winds SSE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. Wednesday Night: Partly cloudy and windy this evening. Cloudy with diminishing winds late. Low 46F. Winds SSW at 20 to 30 mph. Winds could occasionally gust over 40 mph. | Updated: 10m (1 more message)
12:03 jeff windy. :P
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12:12 dbwells new server just showed up \o/
12:15 jeff dbwells: congrats :-)
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12:40 Dyrcona Yay for new server(s)!
12:42 csharp are there currently test suites for javascript in EG?
12:42 csharp we're looking at karma/jasmine and it's very simple to use
12:43 csharp (in the angularjs bootcamp)
12:43 csharp https://jasmine.github.io/2.3/introduction.html & https://github.com/karma-runner/karma
12:45 * csharp has a stack of new dells sitting on the cage floor waiting for power which is waiting for contract stuff :-/
12:47 Dyrcona kmlussier and anyone else: Head's up that I am shutting down my normal vm to test the 2.9.0 to 2.9.1 upgrade.
12:48 Dyrcona csharp: I'm not aware of any JS tests, but I've not looked into the Angular staff client code much.
12:48 Dyrcona I know that Angular is supposed to be easy to write tests for.
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13:07 gmcharlt webstaff does have some tests for the Angular code
13:08 Dyrcona I thought it might, but wasn't sure.
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13:10 berick csharp: we use karma/jasmine now for the angular stuff
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13:16 hopkinsju Who's presenting the half-day preconference session called "Mashcat in Evergreen"? I'm curious what it's really about.
13:17 * berick guesses gmcharlt
13:18 gmcharlt fuller description here - https://evergreen-ils.org/conference/eg16/2​016-conference-schedule-and-presentations/
13:18 gmcharlt and more details to come over the next few weeks - I'm sure as heck not planning on monologing about this :)
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13:46 * berick builds 2.8.5
13:47 berick doh, after i merge 1516707
13:47 kmlussier berick: I was just about to ask about that. :)
13:48 kmlussier berick: Also, I don't think I have that fix in my 2.8.5 release notes. I can add that quickly right now if you need it before building the release.
13:48 berick kmlussier: that would be awesome
13:48 berick thanks
13:50 Dyrcona bshum++ # for updating my ssh key on the community server
13:54 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Docs: Addition to 2.8.5 point release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eec399e>
13:54 csharp berick: excellent (re: karma/jasmine)
14:02 berick dbwells: eyeballs on my last comment to bug #1468422 appreciated.
14:02 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1468422 in Evergreen "Improve Password Management and Authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468422
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14:28 kmlussier Is there a way to delete a patron account client-side in the web client? I don't see it in the Other dropdown in the patron record, but I didn't know if it was moved and I'm just missing it.
14:31 * mmorgan does not see a delete patron option anywhere either.
14:32 kmlussier mmorgan: Do staff use that button in your libraries or is deleting patrons mostly done via the database?
14:32 tsbere kmlussier: Given how delete-happy some people are I wonder if that is a good thing. ;)
14:33 Dyrcona berick: Files for 2.9.1 are in place, let me know when 2.8.5 has been uploaded and I'll take care of the wordpress changes all at once.
14:33 kmlussier I don't know. For some reason I think C/W MARS removed that permission from most staff a while ago, but I could be confusing it with something else.
14:33 mmorgan kmlussier: Staff members do use that function quite frequently.
14:40 kmlussier Merge patrons seems to be missing too. I guess those would be two distinct bugs.
14:42 * csharp would love to see those appear only for those who have the relevant perms
14:44 kmlussier csharp: Sounds good to me. Want to add that comment to bug 1517596 and bug 1517595?
14:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1517596 in Evergreen "webclient: merge patrons missing" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517596
14:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1517595 in Evergreen "webclient: delete patron action is missing" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517595
14:45 csharp kmlussier: will do
14:45 kmlussier I would have added that comment when I submitted them, but I didn't see it until it was too late.
14:46 kmlussier Despite many, many hours of us of the web staff client, I sometimes feel as if I've only scratched the surface of testing it. There's just so much there.
14:46 kmlussier s/us/use
14:49 Dyrcona Oh, speaking of web client testing. My dev vm should be back to "normal."
14:50 csharp kmlussier: I agree - PINES is about to dive into testing it on 2.9.X, so we'll have more data to work with
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14:58 Dyrcona berick: So, never mind, I apparently don't have the necessary permissions to do that.
15:00 berick Dyrcona: *nod*  may have to bring the big guns (bshum)
15:00 bshum Already done.
15:00 bshum and page updated
15:00 berick :)
15:00 berick my files will be ready in moments
15:00 bshum Also changed the statement to say people should use 2.9.  Not 2.8.
15:00 bshum berick: No problem, it'll be there waiting, one hopes
15:01 bshum I'm going to add the link to the 2.9 upgrade instructions too
15:01 bshum Though we may have to wait for the docs site to update on that front
15:01 bshum Depending on what's in git for those rel_ branches
15:02 csharp @who is the Big Guns?
15:02 pinesol_green pastebot is the Big Guns.
15:02 csharp @who *has* the Big Guns?
15:02 pinesol_green bmills *has* the Big Guns.
15:03 csharp we're about to talk about Angular2
15:05 * bshum will do some doc commits to fixup the upgrade instructions for the relevant branches
15:12 berick anyone else having problems running 'make check' on ubuntu 14.04?  "//lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: error adding symbols: DSO missing from command line"
15:13 berick actually, just before that libcheck.a(check.o): undefined reference to symbol 'floor@@GLIBC_2.2.5'
15:14 Dyrcona berick: Yep.
15:15 bshum I forward ported the version of the changes for server_upgrade to master, since 2.9.1 is the latest and best all around.
15:15 bshum And we should push that version up in the main master docs
15:15 csharp takeways so far: 1) angularjs 1.X will be around for a long time 2) the transition is being likened to the Python 2 to 3 transition (basically, a lot of sites probably won't upgrade right away but slowly transition) 3) if we move to component-based development in angular 1, the transition to 2 will be greatly eased
15:16 csharp also, corollary to 3), there will be more interoperability between angular 1 & 2 if we use a component-based approach
15:17 Dyrcona berick: Looks like it may be caused by the order of libraries on the command line, specifically, libm.
15:17 berick Dyrcona: got it working...
15:17 berick yeah
15:17 berick had to add -lm -lpthread and -lrt
15:17 berick following along with https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=713616
15:17 pinesol_green Debian bug 713616 in src:netcfg "netcfg: FTBFS: ld: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.8/../../​../x86_64-linux-gnu/libcheck.a(check.o): undefined reference to symbol 'floor@@GLIBC_2.2.5'" [Serious,Fixed]
15:17 berick yay, tests pass
15:18 berick that is, add it to Open-ILS/src/c-apps/tests/Makefile LIBS =
15:18 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] Docs: Change references to release 2.9.1 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=26d08db>
15:18 * berick makes a note to open an LP
15:20 berick kmlussier: I def. notice a difference in the "violin concerto" query after applying the QP patch
15:21 Bmagic Is there still and issue with the Ruby EDI business for 14.04 ?
15:22 berick Bmagic: there's a workaround
15:22 csharp Bmagic: not really
15:22 Bmagic I remember this being a reason that we didnt go to 14.04
15:23 csharp Bmagic: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergree​n.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/edi_translat​or/install-ubuntu-trusty.sh;h=6223070d3c​bb0919918c3ff2ef3c8dc82d68735e;hb=HEAD
15:23 csharp (sorry for biguglylink)
15:23 Bmagic http://docs.evergreen-ils.​org/2.9/_installation.html  works for 14.04?
15:24 bshum csharp: Hmm..... that should go into the install instructions for acq in the main docs
15:24 bshum If it hasn't already
15:24 Bmagic oh I see csharp's link - what is going on with getting rid of Ruby?
15:24 berick bshum: files uploaded
15:24 bshum berick++
15:24 csharp Bmagic: berick's working on it ;-)
15:24 berick Bmagic: every hackaway I get a little closer
15:25 berick but I just expanded the scope to clean up the templates
15:25 berick so, yeah
15:25 Bmagic berick++  - I remember working on it with you at the last conference
15:26 berick Bmagic: i may need your (and csharp's) help again before we're done
15:26 berick not sure when that will be, though
15:26 Bmagic no problem!
15:27 berick this is the result of the latest hackaway https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1513872
15:27 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1513872 in Evergreen "Move EDI toggles into DB" [Wishlist,New]
15:28 kmlussier berick: I'm not surprised about the "violin concerto" query. the results were quite remarkable in my testing on Dyrcona's database. I'm surprised I never noticed the problem before.
15:29 kmlussier Pre-patch we have these results for "the blue":
15:29 kmlussier http://catalog.mvlc.org/eg/opac/result​s?query=%22the+blue%22&amp;qtype=keywo​rd&amp;fi%3Asearch_format=&amp;locg=1
15:30 kmlussier And post-patch we have:
15:30 csharp berick: happy to test whatever you need
15:30 kmlussier https://jasondev.mvlcstaff.org/eg/opac/r​esults?query=%22the+blue%22&amp;qtype=ke​yword&amp;fi%3Asearch_format=&amp;locg=1
15:30 csharp (or otherwise help) ;-)
15:30 berick kmlussier: makes all the difference
15:30 Bmagic kmlussier: that is sweet
15:32 csharp kmlussier: that's awesome
15:32 kmlussier miker++
15:36 Bmagic kmlussier: so, which patch is that?
15:36 kmlussier bug 1516707
15:36 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1516707 in Evergreen 2.9 "Relevance ranking deteriorates when phrases are added to search" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516707
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15:51 csharp another angular 2 takeaway - it's still very much in alpha
15:52 jeffdavis Is anyone here restricting access to staff-only parts of EG using firewall rules or similar? e.g. only allowing access when connecting from certain IP ranges
15:52 csharp jeffdavis: we use a firewall to restrict SIP2 access, but nothing more than that
15:55 gmcharlt jeffdavis: we've got at least one customer IP-restricting staff client access via Apache config
15:56 jeff permitting API calls for some things but not other things is likely to require development.
15:56 jeff or logins for certain classes of users but not others, etc.
15:57 jeff depends on your ingress points, mostly.
15:57 jeff if you say "the gateway is for staff only, patrons use the tpac or nothing", that's easier. that closes a lot of doors, though.
15:57 jeff I'm interested in the ability to have more controls there.
15:58 Dyrcona I believe the http_translator is intended for broader use, and the gateway is unofficially deprecated, but I could be mistaken.
15:59 Dyrcona jeffdavis: We have split the staff and public onto separate bricks, and only things required for the public side run on that brick.
16:00 Dyrcona That said, you can still access most APIs through the gateway, translator, xml-rpc, etc. from the public brick.
16:00 jeffdavis huh, interesting approach
16:01 Dyrcona You can also restrict what is available through the configuration.
16:01 * Dyrcona looks it up.
16:02 Dyrcona In opensrf.xml, there is a section for allowed services for xml-rpc.
16:03 Dyrcona There is a similar configuration for the gateway in opensrf_core.xml.
16:04 Dyrcona I believe you can also put those in <host> sections at the bottom so that different hosts can share 1 file and get different configurations.
16:08 jeffdavis thanks all, that is helpful
16:09 gmcharlt Dyrcona: spoke with miker to dredge up from his memory - and yeah, the HTTP translator and WebSockets binding are newer and more featureful
16:09 gmcharlt the JSON gateway is not deprecated per se, just likely to be increasingly less used
16:10 jeffdavis I like that conify is described in eg_vhost.conf as the "next-generation Evergreen administration interface" :)
16:10 gmcharlt (although as a wrinkle: there are two versions of the JSON gateway, and it might not be a bad idea to consider deprecating the oldest)
16:10 berick beware the core value/purpose of the translater (streaming via multpart mixed/replace) is itself deprecated
16:10 gmcharlt jeffdavis: well, at the time... :)
16:10 gmcharlt berick: indeed, in favor of WS
16:10 berick so the translater is in fact no better than the json gateway, except that it returns osrf messages instead of arrays of results.
16:11 berick (which is good, of course)
16:11 jeff berick: though it still remains as the only way of having a remote stateful opensrf session other than websockets, yes?
16:11 berick jeff: ah!  good point
16:11 berick yes
16:11 jeff (since the gateway (both versions) are stateless)
16:11 berick that is a distinct advantage of the translator
16:11 berick forgot about that
16:13 berick the gateway is a great debugging tool
16:13 gmcharlt yeah - to be clear, I'm certainly not pushing towards deprecating anything
16:14 gmcharlt just more thinking of "here, random developer trying to talk to Evergreen: look at this, and ignore this!"
16:14 dbwells berick: re: the auth bug comment, yes that's exactly what we discussed.  Thanks for summarizing, and sorry for not following up more quickly on that.
16:14 berick gmcharlt: right
16:14 berick thanks dbwells
16:15 berick dbwells: i'm considering diving into that so that we can push for a 2.9 release of the password changes.
16:15 * Dyrcona makes a note to use websockets in the future.
16:16 Dyrcona Maybe downloading "Java Websockets" from Safari online would be a good idea? :p
16:17 gmcharlt Dyrcona: Forth, surely?
16:17 dbwells berick: That would be awesome.  I'm ready to jump in with updating the AuthProxy bits, but I'd be in the way trying to split the c service, I think.
16:17 Dyrcona gmcharlt++
16:17 berick dbwells: k.  i'll keep you (and lp) posted on that
16:18 Dyrcona PostScript, and then I can authenticate from my printer, make a couple of calls and print a pretty report. ;)
16:18 berick ... after I pull my head out of this authority linking trough
16:19 dbwells berick: I've been running the existing branch in a few places now, and still no issues outside of the one we're talking about.  I think it's a really great improvement!
16:20 berick dbwells: yay!
16:26 jeff I shouldn't be surprised that we have bibs without a 245.
16:26 jeff Not sure why I was just now.
16:28 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Docs: Missed some acknowledgements in the 2.9.1 point release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=98848b9>
16:40 bshum Dyrcona++ # finding my overzealous typos
16:40 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] Docs: fix typo for version upgrade 2.8.4-2.9.0 in server upgrade - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d3dd07c>
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