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mt-dev |
Looking to help my school library deploy Evergreen. Are there any drawbacks or things that might prevent them from switching? They are currently using Destiny. |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
| 08:46 |
kmlussier |
@coffee [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Nectar, and sends it sliding down the bar to pinesol_green |
| 08:46 |
kmlussier |
@tea [someone] |
| 08:46 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Huang Shan Mao Feng Green Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to egbuilder (http://ratetea.com/tea/teavivre/huang-shan-mao-feng-green-tea/6041/) |
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kmlussier |
I guess the bots need a little caffeine too. |
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jeff_ |
morning, kmlussier |
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| 09:27 |
mt-dev |
Looking to help my school library deploy Evergreen. Are there any drawbacks or things that might prevent them from switching? They are currently using Destiny. |
| 09:28 |
Dyrcona |
mt-dev: How big of a school library are you talking about? |
| 09:30 |
mt-dev |
600 students, not sure how many books: https://dccs.follettdestiny.com/cataloging/servlet/presentadvancedsearchredirectorform.do?l2m=Library%20Search&tm=TopLevelCatalog&l2m=Library+Search |
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| 09:35 |
csharp |
mt-dev: do you have much in the way of Linux expertise on the school IT staff? |
| 09:35 |
csharp |
(particularly Linux server expertise/experience) |
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| 09:38 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: Excellent question... I'll remember to ask that first. :) |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: :-) |
| 10:01 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: good morning. I wanted to let you now I live somewhat close to Boston's Logan airport. You can stay at my place on Friday the 6th |
| 10:04 |
jboyer-isl |
yboston: I appreciate the offer! I’ve already got the room through the 7th, but I’ll definitely consider it since I don’t necessarily want to make kmlussier go all that way at WHAT o’clock. |
| 10:05 |
kmlussier |
jboyer-isl / yboston: I should know by the end of the week how things are looking for Saturday transportation. |
| 10:05 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 10:05 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: you should be able to change the hotel reservations without penalty. BTW, I live a subway stop away from where we had the Boston/Cambridge conference |
| 10:06 |
yboston |
kmlussier: are you coordinating the rides from Logan? |
| 10:06 |
kmlussier |
Yes |
| 10:07 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I was hoping to hitch a ride from Logan on Tuesday, but if it creates more work I can go with the ride you arranged for me on Wednesday morning |
| 10:07 |
yboston |
kmlussier: what makes your life easier? |
| 10:08 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I woudl prefer to be there Tuesday night/afternoon, but not if it makes mroe work for others |
| 10:08 |
kmlussier |
yboston: DPearl is the one making the Tuesday afternoon airport runs. He has a minivan with a lot of space. I would recommend joining the late afternoon shuttle run. The early afternoon one has a lot of people. |
| 10:09 |
kmlussier |
yboston: They all make my life easy. It turns out I'm transporting nobody so far. :) |
| 10:09 |
yboston |
kmlussier: yes, I was thinking that the late afternoon ride would be less packed |
| 10:10 |
kmlussier |
yboston: Do you have DPearl's contact information? |
| 10:10 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: let me know if you want me to email you my address, as well as taxi or subway transportiation options and costs |
| 10:10 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I should eb able to track down hi email |
| 10:10 |
yboston |
*his email |
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| 10:16 |
jboyer-isl |
yboston: If I’m the only one leaving that early I think I will take you up on that so long as it’s not an imposition. If it turns out that one or two more people have to be there that early I may leave things as they are. So I know, is it possible to make it to BOS through the subway or will you need to drive me there/part way? |
| 10:17 |
jboyer-isl |
(I don’t want to put out anyone, but if I can make it there via subway and you don’t have to be driving around at 5-6 AM that’s even better) |
| 10:17 |
kmlussier |
jboyer-isl: Unless there are people attending who haven't identified themselves on the wiki yet, I think everyone who has to fly in has already put their travel plans in the spreadsheet. |
| 10:18 |
jboyer-isl |
I was just about to ask about that. |
| 10:18 |
kmlussier |
jboyer-isl: You can make it to the airport on the subway. You have to make one stop on the way to change trains. |
| 10:18 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: I live very close to the hotel where we had the cofnerence, just one more stop. So the same transportation instrucitons apply to get to Logan from my apt |
| 10:19 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: the subway (the "T") starts running at 5:30 AM, and the stop is a 10 minute walk from my apt. A cab ride woudl be around $35 |
| 10:19 |
kmlussier |
#announcement: If anyone is planning to attend the hack-a-way and hasn't put their name here - http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=hack-a-way-2015-agenda - please add your name, even if your plans are still up in the air. |
| 10:19 |
jboyer-isl |
That sounds great. I think I’ll take you up on that yboston, thanks a lot. I have to talk to the hotel tomorrow anyway to get the travel card stuff squared away anyway. |
| 10:20 |
jboyer-isl |
a 10 minute walk is a good excuse to eat junk food when I get to the airport. ;) |
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| 10:20 |
yboston |
jboyer-isl: BTW, I don't have a car but we will have options |
| 10:20 |
kmlussier |
heh |
| 10:20 |
kmlussier |
Anything is a good excuse to eat junk food IMO |
| 10:20 |
mt-dev |
Dyrcona, csharp: I'm in the 9th grade at the school :D The librarian doesn't like what we have now and was going to see if I can set it up myself on a VPS. And if I could figure it out for myself, I feel like I could probably set up a server for the school. The IT staff we have aren't the greatest. I've been using Linux for 3 years now. Am running |
| 10:20 |
mt-dev |
two servers now. (one Homeserver running LAMP stack, Plex, Transmission, one VPS on Digital Ocean https://flexstart.me) I can set up web servers, do cron jobs, bash scripting, etc. I've set up many applications before that require databases, creating users, and modifying permissions (Wordpress, ownCloud, TinyTinyRSS, Transmission, Piwik, Piwigo, et |
| 10:20 |
mt-dev |
c). Do you think I could install and maintain Evergreen by following the installation tutorial and documentation on the Evergreen site? |
| 10:20 |
jboyer-isl |
I’m going to have to put some reminders in my phone though so I don’t forget and have my bags ejected from the room, heh. |
| 10:22 |
kmlussier |
yboston / jboyer-isl: We will also make sure you have a way to get back to Boston on Friday. I could probably drive you on my way home. |
| 10:22 |
yboston |
kmlussier: thanks |
| 10:23 |
jboyer-isl |
kmlussier: that sounds much better than picking me up at the hotel at ~5 the next day. ;) |
| 10:23 |
jboyer-isl |
kmlussier++ |
| 10:23 |
jboyer-isl |
yboston++ |
| 10:23 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 10:23 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
mt-dev: It really helps to have installed other software from source code on Linux beforehand, i.e. using configure, make, etc. |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
Just getting it installed is step 1. |
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| 10:27 |
kmlussier |
mt-dev: Given your experience, you probably could install and maintain Evergreen if you follow the README, but one thing I would be concerned about is who will maintain it in a few years if the IT staff isn't strong. |
| 10:27 |
yboston |
mt-dev: I agree with Dyrcona, after installation you need to spend time configuring EG. |
| 10:28 |
yboston |
mt-dev: to give you a rough and slightly outdated idea of what configuration work that has to be done after isntalation, the EG community created a now somewhat outdated online manual of some of the configuration steps that have to be done after instalation http://flossmanuals.net/evergreen-in-action/ |
| 10:30 |
kmlussier |
Sorry, I meant to say you might be able to install and maintain, not probably. Basically, EG requires a lot of ongoing care and maintenance. |
| 10:33 |
Bmagic |
mt-dev++ |
| 10:34 |
Bmagic |
mt-dev: There are definatly concerns in the long run. I'm excited of the prospect you taking on such a big project though! Have you thought about getting the MARC out of the old system? |
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| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
Whee! Fun with parameters! |
| 10:43 |
Bmagic |
parameters++ |
| 10:44 |
Bmagic |
spanish for "for meters" |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ |
| 10:44 |
kmlussier |
heh |
| 10:44 |
Bmagic |
:) |
| 10:45 |
kmlussier |
I think that would be parametros :) |
| 10:45 |
Dyrcona |
Sic vis itinere para meters. |
| 10:49 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. Should probably Sic vis iter... but anyway. |
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| 11:03 |
csharp |
@eightball is "El Niño" Spanish for "The Niño"? |
| 11:03 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. |
| 11:06 |
Dyrcona |
Hah.. Sounds about right.... :) |
| 11:08 |
mt-dev |
Dyrcona: I have installed some software from source before |
| 11:09 |
mt-dev |
What kind of configuration/maintenance does it require? |
| 11:10 |
mt-dev |
Bmagic: haven't got the database from the old system yet. |
| 11:11 |
mt-dev |
Are there companies that set up/maintain Evergreen for schools? |
| 11:11 |
mt-dev |
They're paying Destiny now, so |
| 11:12 |
miker |
mt-dev: there are several (disclaimer: I with one of them, Equinox) |
| 11:13 |
kmlussier |
mt-dev: There is a list available here http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_companies |
| 11:13 |
mt-dev |
Thanks kmlussier |
| 11:15 |
mt-dev |
They wouldn't have to do anything on-premise, would they (Does it matter if they aren't anywhere near the school in Indiana?) |
| 11:16 |
csharp |
mt-dev: some of the vendors on that list do off-site hosting, yes |
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| 11:26 |
krvmga |
i find it can be frustrating trying to figure out why something is considered more relevant in an opac search |
| 11:26 |
krvmga |
for instance, i'm doing a search for Title, All Books (regular print), in the library HCC for the word cooked |
| 11:27 |
krvmga |
this record http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/record/1614306?query=cooked;qtype=title;fi%3Asearch_format=book;locg=217;page=5;expand=marchtml#marchtml |
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krvmga |
appears before this one http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/record/3085313?query=cooked;qtype=title;fi%3Asearch_format=book;locg=217;page=5;expand=marchtml#marchtml |
| 11:28 |
krvmga |
but looks to be to be less relevant for the search term in a title field |
| 11:28 |
krvmga |
it is a puzzlement to me |
| 11:28 |
miker |
krvmga: which location is 217 |
| 11:28 |
krvmga |
Holyoke Community College - HCC |
| 11:28 |
miker |
nm, I'll just change the URL ;) |
| 11:28 |
miker |
ah, thanks |
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| 11:45 |
miker |
krvmga: in a naive test that does not even come close to approximating all that evergreen does to generate a rank based on your config, they end up with the same relevance score. I wonder if you need to adjust the class weights. (unfortunately, I'm about to turn into a pumpkin, though ... POOF) |
| 11:46 |
krvmga |
miker: thanks for looking at this. is there anything you can share about the test you did? (however naive) |
| 11:49 |
miker |
select ts_rank_cd(index_vector,to_tsquery('cooked')),* from test_table; ... test_ contains the id and output of to_tsvector() for the 245 from each record in a index_vector column. they both have 0.2 |
| 11:49 |
miker |
so, other factors (up to and including the numerical order of the ids) are deciding the final sort order. but, there are knobs ... :) |
| 11:50 |
* miker |
runs away |
| 11:50 |
kmlussier |
I'm confused. I'm looking at the xml output for those records, and, in both cases, the only time cooked (or cooking) appears in the title index is in the title proper index. |
| 11:51 |
kmlussier |
I don't see how adjusting class weights could help with that problem. |
| 11:51 |
* kmlussier |
doesn't expect to get an answer now since miker has turned into a pumpkin. :) |
| 11:59 |
Bmagic |
We recently ran out of workers on our utility server. I've asked myself: can I setup another utility server and have all the same things running (hold targeter, clark, action trigger) simultaneously? How do you handle it? |
| 12:00 |
jboyer-isl |
Bmagic: That will make you very sad. |
| 12:00 |
Bmagic |
ok, that's what I thought |
| 12:00 |
Bmagic |
hehe |
| 12:01 |
jboyer-isl |
Unless you split them up so that machine 1 does all of the holds, and the other one does all of the A/T work, etc. |
| 12:01 |
Bmagic |
so, I am considering putting some of the bigger worker consumers on another machine |
| 12:01 |
jboyer-isl |
You can also increase the worker limit, unless you’re running out of RAM/SPU/ETC. |
| 12:01 |
jboyer-isl |
SPU? CPU. |
| 12:01 |
Bmagic |
What is up with the fine generator rolling back constantly! |
| 12:02 |
jboyer-isl |
I think it tests and then discards some things. It’s been an age since I’ve looked at it. |
| 12:02 |
Bmagic |
we have it set to <max_children>45 <min_spare_children>1 <max_spare_children>5 on 4GB memory and 12 cpu |
| 12:03 |
Bmagic |
At some point, I remember someone saying that once you get to a certain point, you just need to spin up another app server |
| 12:06 |
jboyer-isl |
We have a 4 CPU, 16GB VM with most services set to a max of 75 children and it never causes us any trouble. |
| 12:07 |
Bmagic |
interesting |
| 12:07 |
Bmagic |
maybe I should increase the Memory and decrease the brick count |
| 12:07 |
jboyer-isl |
(I know I could add more than 75 to some and take some away from others to make this better, but it has yet to be urgent.) |
| 12:08 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: You set up another server to run drones, but only run the cron jobs on one of them. |
| 12:08 |
Dyrcona |
Althought jboyer-isl basically said that in different words. |
| 12:08 |
jboyer-isl |
Bmagic: yeah, you probably don’t have as many concurrent processes as you do mem-heavy processes (which then get backed up until they’re bumping into each other, etc.) |
| 12:08 |
Bmagic |
There isn't a hypothetical limit to the number of children? |
| 12:09 |
jboyer-isl |
INT_MAX. |
| 12:09 |
jboyer-isl |
Theory, practice, etc. |
| 12:09 |
Bmagic |
so, we run 8 app servers at 4GB each, with 45 children. Perhaps we could go back to 4 app servers, with 8GB and 90 children? |
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jboyer-isl |
That may work. How many CPUs in that situaiton? |
| 12:18 |
Bmagic |
12 CPUs each which are hardly used |
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| 12:26 |
jboyer-isl |
Oh yeah, we don’t have more than 4 on anything here, but 12GB on every app server. |
| 12:27 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl | Bmagic: The O/S has a limit on max children and max processes. |
| 12:27 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: where is that limit? Or how do I find out? |
| 12:28 |
Dyrcona |
Off the top of my head, I don't remember because I use several variations of *NIX and its different on some of them. |
| 12:29 |
Dyrcona |
I always have to look it up, so I recommend Google. |
| 12:29 |
Dyrcona |
They're both likely to be in the tens of thousands by default on GNU/Linux. |
| 12:29 |
Bmagic |
right now ps aux|grep OpenSRF|wc -l yeilds numbers like 120 |
| 12:30 |
Bmagic |
and that is with 45 children |
| 12:30 |
Dyrcona |
I know OpenBSD sets a rather low number (2048) as a default for max processes. |
| 12:34 |
Bmagic |
cat /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max ? |
| 12:34 |
jboyer-isl |
Bmagic: that 120 includes the listener for each service (not doing anything but listening for requests) and drones for every service you have turned on, whether they’re used or not. (depending on min_spare_children and some other things) |
| 12:34 |
jboyer-isl |
Bmagic: ulimit -a |
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| 12:35 |
jboyer-isl |
max user processes is 128221 on one of my vms. (I only touch it on the DB servers) |
| 12:35 |
Bmagic |
7719 on a dev machine. What an odd number |
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| 12:36 |
Bmagic |
production machine reports 31412, going up to 90 children - I dont think im going to hit 31k processes. Considering that the total right now is less than 400 for ALL ps aux |
| 12:46 |
Dyrcona |
GNU/Linux may try to calculate something reasonable given the available hardware. |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
On most *NIXen it is hard coded and can by modified with sysctl or a similar mechanism. |
| 12:47 |
Dyrcona |
s/by/be/ |
| 12:47 |
* Dyrcona |
grumbles about cold fingers. |
| 12:49 |
Dyrcona |
you also likely want something other than ulimit, as that applies to your user's totals. |
| 12:52 |
csharp |
Bmagic: I would definitely up the RAM to at least 8 if you can |
| 12:52 |
Dyrcona |
Oh don't mind that previous statement, that is the same value returned by sysconf CHILD_MAX or _POSIX_CHILD_MAX. |
| 12:52 |
* Dyrcona |
agrees with csharp. |
| 12:53 |
* Dyrcona |
listens to the sounds of demolition happening behind him. |
| 12:55 |
Dyrcona |
Told you, I have to look this stuff up every time. |
| 12:57 |
Dyrcona |
hmmm... |
| 12:59 |
Dyrcona |
So, I am getting unmet dependencies from running OpenSRF/src/extras/Makefile.install ubuntu-trusty just now. |
| 12:59 |
Dyrcona |
This is OpenSRF master, btw. |
| 13:00 |
Dyrcona |
AFAIK, nothing changed on the OpenSRF side since this succeeded for me the last time, so I blame Ubuntu. |
| 13:00 |
csharp |
what's it saying? |
| 13:00 |
csharp |
@blame Ubuntu |
| 13:00 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Ubuntu 's bugfix broke csharp's feature! |
| 13:03 |
pastebot |
"Dyrcona" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "unmet dependencies" (36 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/18 |
| 13:04 |
Dyrcona |
Looks like apache2 and friends are broken, or my sources.lst is. |
| 13:05 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: I'm cloning a stock trusty VM - I'll test momentarily |
| 13:05 |
Dyrcona |
My sources.list looks good, no local mirrors. |
| 13:06 |
Dyrcona |
If I try and install the missing packages by hand, I get a similar message about uuid-dev. |
| 13:07 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe apt-get follow options (or whatever) changed recently? |
| 13:08 |
* csharp |
waits for dist-upgrade to complete |
| 13:09 |
Dyrcona |
Could be my VM is hosed, but I just made it. |
| 13:10 |
Dyrcona |
Something is not right here. |
| 13:11 |
csharp |
so far so good on my fresh trusty vm |
| 13:11 |
Dyrcona |
libaprutil1-dev (Apache2) says it depends on libpq-dev (PostgreSQL), and that can't be right. |
| 13:12 |
Dyrcona |
heh. I feel dumb. |
| 13:12 |
Dyrcona |
apt-get update seems to have resolved it for me. |
| 13:12 |
Dyrcona |
Don't usually have to do that. |
| 13:12 |
csharp |
I wondered about that |
| 13:13 |
csharp |
out-of-date package cache |
| 13:13 |
Dyrcona |
Well, the strange dependency was the clue. |
| 13:13 |
Dyrcona |
Probably corrupted. |
| 13:13 |
csharp |
yep - I've seen that |
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| 13:13 |
Dyrcona |
Makes me wonder... I should probably build a new VM. |
| 13:14 |
Dyrcona |
Don't think I can trust this one. |
| 13:14 |
jeff_ |
for trusty, libaprutil1-dev does depend on libpq-dev: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/libaprutil1-dev |
| 13:15 |
csharp |
we just build stock images of different RAM/storage configurations and have a bash wrapper around virt-clone to clone from there |
| 13:16 |
Dyrcona |
jeff_: Ok, but that seems off. |
| 13:16 |
Dyrcona |
I use vmbuilder to build fresh vms from "scratch." |
| 13:16 |
csharp |
(assuming KVM/qemu as opposed to other virtualization possiblities) |
| 13:16 |
csharp |
ah |
| 13:16 |
Dyrcona |
yeah, it's kvm/qemu, also. |
| 13:17 |
jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: I’ve looked at vmbuilder recently, but it looks like it’s been set aside for years. Is everything ok with it and Trusty? |
| 13:17 |
jboyer-isl |
(haven’t had time to test it yet, sadly) |
| 13:17 |
csharp |
@eightball is it time for the Evergreen project to finally give in to the public pressure to support Linux From Scratch? |
| 13:17 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: No. |
| 13:17 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: I got it working after applying a patch. I believe it may also be used with OpenStack. |
| 13:19 |
jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: good to know. I’ll try to make the time to do some real research soon. |
| 13:19 |
Dyrcona |
The patch may no longer be needed. |
| 13:20 |
Dyrcona |
Ok. Now I smell the dust from the demolition in the office. |
| 13:20 |
jboyer-isl |
I’ll start with the vmbuilder package in trusty and see if/where it falls over. If that doesn’t work, it’s going to get some serious side-eye from me. |
| 13:22 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: Here's the patch that I mentioned: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/120169451/usr_share_pyshared_VMBuilder_plugins_ubuntu_dapper.py.diff |
| 13:23 |
csharp |
wow - Dapper |
| 13:24 |
jboyer-isl |
Most of the vmbuilder conversations I’ve seen revolve around issues with Karmic, that’s why I was suspect of it’s continued viability. I am reminded that I have a trusty vm on this mac, I could figure this out in a few short minutes. |
| 13:26 |
Dyrcona |
It is attached to bug 1037607 |
| 13:26 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1037607 in vm-builder (Ubuntu) "vmbuilder completely fails on Quantal due to kernel pae detection failure" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037607 |
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jeff |
I use https://github.com/andsens/bootstrap-vz for building images. Probably doesn't help Ubuntu users. |
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Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: There's a work around to avoid the patch if you add linux-image-generic explicitly to the list of packages to install. |
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Dyrcona |
I tried that, too, and it works. |
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jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: thanks, I’ll make some notes. |
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Dyrcona |
On an unrelated note, it will be fun when I upgrade my OpenBSD gateway to 5.8 and sudo becomes doas. |
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jboyer-isl |
Ugh, is that an OpenBSD specific utility, or is something changing further upstream? |
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Dyrcona |
It's OpenBSD specific, they've moved sudo from the base to ports. |
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* csharp |
just googled 'sudo vs. doas' and found http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/doas |
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jboyer-isl |
Heh, I do tend to lazysearch IRC quite a lot. |
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jboyer-isl |
But the natural language recognition is even better than Google |
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jboyer-isl |
's! |
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csharp |
@lazysearch doas |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: <shaggy>We're, like, doomed.</shaggy> |
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plux_ |
starting to put together a mac staff client for 2.9 …..just wondering if I should stay with xulrunner 14.0.1 or if I can pull down a newer version of xulrunner…any thoughts? |
| 13:39 |
jboyer-isl |
plux_: I’d stick specfically with the version mentioned, some xulrunner features we absolutely require were removed not long after that. |
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Dyrcona |
plux_: You can try, but it won't work. |
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plux_ |
thanks….sticking with 14 |
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plux_ |
the last few I did had issues with the infamous spine label printers but that’s not probably associated |
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Dyrcona |
I've always had some funkiness with XulRunner on Mac OS X, but I don't use Mac OS X any more. |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: BTW, a fresh VM is working fine. I occasionally get a corrupted VM, typically they refuse to start. |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: awesome |
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Dyrcona |
I guess we're not doing monthly maintenance releases today.... |
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Dyrcona |
AFAIK only 1 bug was fixed in 2.9, and it is not a biggy. |
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* mmorgan |
is looking at credit card processing and was sure there was a variable in one of the tt2 files where a minimum amount could be set below which the pay option wouldn't appear. |
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mmorgan |
Did I dream this? |
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kmlussier |
mmorgan: We did see something that looked like it would do so. Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can find it. |
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kmlussier |
miker: I don't know if you've changed back into a coach again, but I just realized what you meant when you suggested adjusting the class weights. A reingest isn't required after you adjust those weights, is it? |
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mmorgan |
Ok, thanks. I've been scouring the tt2 files and can't put my finger on it. |
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mmorgan |
Maybe the bit is in main_payment_form.tt2? [% IF ctx.fines.balance_owed <= 0 %] |
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mmorgan |
I thought I remembered something different, though. |
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* mmorgan |
had notes on a flash drive that, apparently, is toast :-( |
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kmlussier |
mmorgan: Yes, that's what I remember. Up that number from 0 to 5 and see what happens. |
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mmorgan |
kmlussier: Ok, will give that a try. Thanks! |
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csharp |
mmorgan: the apparent lack of a minimum payment is one of our concerns too - I'll be interested in what you discover |
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mmorgan |
kmlussier: Ok, changing 0 to something higher, does make the payment not possible, but the message "You either have no fines to pay or you have selected fines whose total is non-positive. We cannot process non-positive amounts" needs a little tweaking (for our case, anyway). |
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kmlussier |
Yeah, that should be tweakable |
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kmlussier |
Ideally, it would be a setting. But it sounds like this will work in the meantime. |
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mmorgan |
csharp: I set [% IF ctx.fines.balance_owed <= 1 %], which is the limit we're planning to use. On the Account Summary, I deselected everything but $.42. When I clicked Pay Selected Fines, I got that message instead of the form to fill in the cc info. |
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mmorgan |
Yes, I think changing it will be easier than coming up with the exact words to put there ;-) |
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* kmlussier |
checks something |
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mmorgan |
Interesting that the message says "Either you have no fines to pay..." since I don't think a patron can even get to that page if nothing is owed. |
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kmlussier |
Well, sometimes people arrive at strange places by means we never anticipated they would use. |
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kmlussier |
mmorgan: With that in mind, you might want to keep the code there as is, and then add a new one to account for fines from .01 to .99 with different language saying they haven't reached the fine minimum. |
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kmlussier |
Actually, scratch that idea. That wasn't one of my good ones. |
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mmorgan |
We'll probably opt for a message that says something like "The minimum amount for credit card payments is $1.00" but I agree that an option would be best. |
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jeff |
"Thank you for your successful authorization of $0.15. Since it would cost the library more than $0.15 to accept your payment, we are forgiving the $0.15 and will not capture the transaction for settlement. Have a nice day!" |
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miker |
kmlussier: a class A exact match (no stemming) on cooked (he says 3 hours later) (also, still a pumpkin...) |
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mmorgan |
"Congratulations! You have been randomly selected to have your fine of less than $1.00 forgiven!" |
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kmlussier |
miker: Yes, so it took me some time, but I got there. krvmga increased the class A weight to 5, but didn't see in a change in the order of results. |
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kmlussier |
I wasn't sure if something else needed to be done to make the change go into effect. He did your little track of adding a -ajlfjlsa type word so that it wouldn't rely on cached results. |
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kmlussier |
Sigh...search. Why do you have to be so difficult? |
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* miker |
catches up on scrollback ... kmlussier: no reingest required |
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kmlussier |
miker: You're not doing a very good job of staying in pumpkin mode. |
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* miker |
thinks "round!" |
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kmlussier |
krvmga: We talked about this a bit in our meeting earlier this week, but the more I think about it, the more I think a separate title and keyword index for just the 245a would be a good thing for relevance. |
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kmlussier |
My one concern is that you already have a lot of indexes. I don't know how much it will affect performance if you add even lots more rows to your metabib tables. |
| 14:53 |
krvmga |
we have got SO many indexes right now |
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kmlussier |
Yes. As does NOBLE. |
| 14:54 |
krvmga |
just for community interest, anyone ever want to see someone with lots of indexes, i'll be happy to share. |
| 14:55 |
krvmga |
yes, but we have two more letters in our acronym than they do. so there. |
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krvmga |
:) |
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krvmga |
i was always bad at math. |
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kmlussier |
krvmga: Ha ha. You could say you have two more characters. |
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Dyrcona |
krvmga: Oddly enough, so are computers. :) |
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krvmga |
lol |
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* mmorgan |
scrambles for a few more letters to add to acronym. ;-) |
| 14:57 |
mmorgan |
SNOWBLE would have been quite appropriate last year. |
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kmlussier |
krvmga: OK, so let's look at it this way, It's possible that a 245a index for the keyword/title class may do even more for relevance than some of the other indexes you've created to help with relevance. Maybe we can make some tradeoffs and get rid of some of the others. |
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kmlussier |
Of course, the ones that are less important for relevance are probably the same ones that don't generate a ton of metabib entries. |
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krvmga |
mmorgan: rofl |
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csharp |
@marc 590 |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: unknown tag 590 |
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jboyer-isl |
csharp: local notes! we just blew them all away here. |
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jboyer-isl |
(not that “local notes!” helps, I think there’s a lot of those.) |
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Dyrcona |
We use that to differentiate "on order" or "brief" records from "regular" MARC records. |
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Dyrcona |
My local version of the Backstage software does not export records with a date or an o/o, or similar note in any 590 subfield. |
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Dyrcona |
So, it has uses.... |
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jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: sure. We mostly had a ton of migration 590s. (and forgotten on order notes, I suspect.) |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl: yeah - they're actually desired in my current project (Georgia Governor's Mansion) |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: You can pretty much put what you want into it. |
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Dyrcona |
You might have to do some work to make it display in the catalog if desired. |
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csharp |
Dyrcona: yeah - I just had to add it to /openils/var/templates/opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 and it showed up fine ;-) |
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csharp |
(for the logs ^^) |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: Cool. |
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kmlussier |
I have a question about the estimated search results count on the search results page. My recollection is that the result counts start to get inaccurate once you hit the 1,000 records threshold for records retrieved. |
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kmlussier |
Because 1,000 that's the default superpage size in Evergreen. And that count includes both opac-visible and non-visible records that are retrieved in the search. |
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kmlussier |
However, in this search, we are retrieving fewer than 100 records, and getting inaccurate result counts: http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/results?bool=and&qtype=keyword&contains=contains&query=ireland&bool=and&qtype=title&contains=contains&query=&bool=and&qtype=author&contains=contains&query=&_adv=1&fi%3Alocations=1602&fi%3Alocations=2640&fi%3Alocations=2639&locg=247&pubdate=is&date1=&date2=&sort= |
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kmlussier |
I'm wondering if it's related to the copy location limiters. Without those limiters, I would get more than 1000 results when searching that particular OU. |
| 16:55 |
kmlussier |
Is that why I don't get an accurate records even though this particular search retrieves just a handful of records? Because the non-copy-location-limited search hits that 1000-record threshold? |
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* kmlussier |
notes that the estimate seems to be accurate when limiting by format instead of copy location. |
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miker |
kmlussier: assuming stock settings, the first superpage had exactly 10 visible records after trimming for that filter. that filter happens after the core search select, like site and available filters do |
| 19:13 |
miker |
so the second page of results triggered (at least) one more superpage search |
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miker |
I'll just leave this right here: http://blog.pgaddict.com/posts/performance-since-postgresql-7-4-to-9-4-fulltext |
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miker |
tl;dr: pg 9.4 = faster search, esp on worst case searches ("the", "history", your state name, etc) |
