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IRC log for #evergreen, 2015-09-22

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08:39 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
08:39 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Hacienda La Esmeralda Special Mario Carnaval, and sends it sliding down the bar to ningalls
08:39 kmlussier @tea [someone]
08:39 * pinesol_green brews and pours a pot of Bao Zhong Oolong Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to ericar (http://ratetea.com/tea/ris​hi/bao-zhong-oolong/768/)
08:39 kmlussier Yay! It works!
08:39 kmlussier @dessert [someone]
08:39 * pinesol_green grabs some Coconut Cream Cake for jonadab
08:39 kmlussier Because it's never too early for dessert.
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09:06 csharp hmm - hitting an installation problem with OpenSRF 2.4.1 on a fresh Ubuntu 14.04 VM:
09:06 csharp ./configure: line 12776: syntax error near unexpected token `CHECK,'
09:06 csharp ./configure: line 12776: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(CHECK, check >= 0.9.0, enable_tests=yes,'
09:07 csharp I've run the Makefile.install and fwiw, 'check' is installed
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09:09 csharp in https://www.coffeecode.net/archives​/208-PKG_CHECK_MODULES-syntax-error​-near-unexpected-token-DEPS,.html dbs indicates that installing pkg-config solved his issue, but that's installed too :-/
09:10 csharp suspend
09:10 csharp oops wrong window ;-)
09:10 tsbere csharp: You installing from a tarball or git?
09:10 csharp git
09:11 tsbere maybe try autoreconf -i again?
09:11 Dyrcona yep. definitely.
09:11 Dyrcona I was about to suggest that after reading the logs.
09:11 csharp yeah - just did and that worked
09:12 csharp thanks
09:12 csharp I've not hit that before
09:13 jeff we could probably avoid by adjusting instructions, either with an explicit "now run autoreconf -i again" or just "install these pre-reqs first, then autoreconf -i, then Makefile.install for remaining pre-reqs"
09:14 tsbere I don't think you need to run autoreconf to run Makefile.install anyway
09:15 Dyrcona jeff: Always run Makefile.install before running anything else.
09:15 Dyrcona And, what tsbere said.
09:15 Dyrcona csharp's problem appears to be that either check or pkg-config were not installed when autoreconf was run.
09:16 Dyrcona I've hit that and similar issues before.
09:16 bshum I thought autoreconf was after make prereqs anyways?
09:16 * bshum checks the README
09:17 bshum Yeah, it's already written that way in the steps.
09:21 Dyrcona To be honest, I think I've mostly hit that when trying to build a package of my own that uses autoconf and pkg-config on a system where I forgot to install pkg-config before hand.
09:29 Dyrcona bshum++ #Hacking Python.
09:30 Dyrcona @tea
09:30 * pinesol_green brews and pours a pot of Huang Shan Mao Feng Green Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://ratetea.com/tea/teavivre/hu​ang-shan-mao-feng-green-tea/6041/)
09:30 Dyrcona Now, if he could just fix the tea at my local McDonald's.......
09:30 Dyrcona Yeah, 6 weeks and no tea. They need an electrician, and I think he was there this morning.
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09:35 Dyrcona bshum: Are the RSS feeds still broken in supybot on 2.7?
09:35 bshum Dyrcona: I don't think so
09:35 Dyrcona OK, then.
09:35 bshum They should work
09:35 bshum Once configured
09:36 bshum I only added one.
09:36 bshum *back
09:36 Dyrcona I see, so it was configuration and not code changes?
09:36 bshum Dyrcona: I did change the whole bot, and upgraded it to the new forked version of supybot called Limnoria
09:37 Dyrcona OK.
09:37 bshum The new version of RSS that came with that bot worked "better"
09:38 bshum Hmm, since it didn't say so, I wonder if there's a scheduler that came with the old RSS that I don't see in the new one :\
09:38 bshum @rss qatests
09:38 pinesol_green bshum: 09:38 AM, September 22, 2015: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
09:40 * bshum will have to test more later.
09:40 Dyrcona It's all good.
09:49 jeff is there a recommended order for starting apache vs the websockets instance of apache?
09:51 berick jeff: i always start WS second out of habit, but it should not matter.
09:51 bshum I do too.
09:51 bshum Second that is.
09:51 Dyrcona What berick said.
09:51 berick they don't communicate w/ each other, only w/ jabber
09:51 ericar kmlussier: I've never had such fancy tea. Thank You.
09:51 Dyrcona I also stop then start it instead of restart.
09:51 Dyrcona The websockets apache that is.
09:52 bshum Dyrcona: Yeah I never got to the bottom of that one either, but you're right that "restart" doesn't always work the same as a stop/start
09:52 bshum Or at least, not every time I tried it.
09:52 berick i've alos had problems using 'service' and /etc/init.d/.. stop/start for websockets
09:53 kmlussier ericar: Everyone deserves a fancy tea every once in a while. :)
09:53 berick apache2ctl-websockets always works, though
09:53 Dyrcona berick: I was about to say that the serve and init.d scripts don't seem to work on Ubuntu. I can't speak to Debian.
09:53 Dyrcona s/serve/service/
09:54 Dyrcona bshum: Yeah, same here. restart works sometimes but seems to fail more often than it works.
10:00 phasefx bshum++ re: pinesol_green
10:00 mmorgan bshum++
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10:51 csharp @love vimdiff
10:51 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp loves vimdiff.
10:58 jeff berick: good to know. i've not run into issues with the standard scripts, but good to know.
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11:18 phasefx csharp: the DirDiff plugin is useful too, especially for templates
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11:21 csharp phasefx: thanks! I'll check it out
11:22 csharp btw, speaking of templates, does anyone use any sort of "lint" tool for tt2?  I have an error in a template that I can't seem to pin down
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11:32 jwoodard Sooo...I took a week off for vacation only to find out yesterday about a family emergency that I have to leave for Thursday morning.
11:32 csharp jwoodard: yikes! sorry to hear that
11:33 jwoodard I guess it's one way to end your vacation. I am now rushing to catch up on work since I will be gone until next Wednesday.
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13:14 kmlussier We seem to have several job openings in the Evergreen community right now, but we have nothing here - http://evergreen-ils.org/jobs/
13:17 RoganH I haven't had any submitted but you're right.  At the least I know of the ESI ones.
13:18 Dyrcona Pines just sent a message to the general list for those who haven't caught up with their email.
13:18 Dyrcona With a job opening, duh, me.
13:20 RoganH I'll contact folks about adding their listed jobs.  Other than pines and esi who else is listing jobs?
13:20 kmlussier Those are the only two I know of. But since ESI has so many, I figured it qualified as several. :)
13:21 RoganH I'll check with the appropriate parties.  :)
13:22 kmlussier There's this one too, but it might be too late. http://markmail.org/message/rmse46r3b3t5y3nq
13:22 RoganH August 19th, probably still looking I would think.  I'll contact them too.
13:25 csharp RoganH++ kmlussier++
13:25 csharp I forgot about that site :-/
13:29 RoganH It requires an expiration date so I put it at the end of the calendar year and we can always go back and extend it.
13:30 csharp RoganH: thanks
13:31 RoganH I'm starting to hate acquisitions.
13:31 Dyrcona :)
13:31 csharp @hates
13:31 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out (1 more message)
13:32 csharp @more
13:32 pinesol_green csharp: when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; troubleshooting reports; money reports; marc; reports even more than before; the EDI ruby bits; acquisitions; <quote>fun<unquote>; and edi
13:32 csharp yep, I thought it was there
13:32 RoganH yeah ....
13:32 Dyrcona @hates
13:32 pinesol_green Dyrcona hates MARC; English orthography; Launchpad; RDA; typos; Launchpad Search; printing; NCIP; Launchpad_some_moar; billing even MOAR!; and billing
13:32 RoganH @hates
13:32 pinesol_green RoganH hates reports; reporter; SIP; more_sip; all_sip; sip_infinitely; and all_sip_the_children_of_sip_​and_the_grandchildren_of_sip
13:33 RoganH @hate acquisitions
13:33 pinesol_green RoganH: The operation succeeded.  RoganH hates acquisitions.
13:33 kmlussier RoganH: So tell me how you feel about SIP
13:33 Dyrcona hehe
13:33 csharp @whocares sip
13:33 pinesol_green csharp, bshum, Rogan_, tsbere and RoganH hate sip
13:33 bshum @whocares SIP2
13:33 pinesol_green bshum hates SIP2
13:33 Dyrcona "Well, the SIP, Egg, SIP, and SIP. That hasn't got much SIP in it."
13:33 csharp ooh - I get to @hate it again!
13:34 csharp @hate sip2
13:34 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates sip2.
13:34 bshum :)
13:36 RoganH kmlussier: how I feel?
13:36 RoganH https://i.imgur.com/mPkLxlD.jpg
13:37 kmlussier :)
13:37 RoganH @hate sip2
13:37 pinesol_green RoganH: The operation succeeded.  RoganH hates sip2.
13:38 csharp @hate sip too
13:38 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates sip too.
13:38 csharp @hate sip two
13:38 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates sip two.
13:39 kmlussier @love Evergreen, the whole kit and caboodle
13:39 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.  kmlussier loves Evergreen, the whole kit and caboodle.
13:41 RoganH So, the action trigger perl scripts run and it seems fine but the events don't complete. I can run run the trigger manually in srfsh and it completes.
13:41 bshum Hmm
13:41 bshum RoganH: maybe granularity issue?
13:41 tsbere RoganH: Did you use the run pending command line option?
13:41 RoganH maybe
13:43 RoganH tsbere: yep
13:44 RoganH I'm brain fried from other stuff going on which probably isn't helping.
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14:04 Bmagic Im brainstorming on this wishlist item I created in LP. bug 1496522 One conclusion that I might have is that I shouldn't put a filter condition in the environment? It seems that the only way to specify the "amount owed" threshold might be with action_trigger_fileters.json ?
14:04 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1496522 in Evergreen "Wishlist - Action Trigger for periodic billing statement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496522
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15:05 kmlussier RoganH++ #Posting jobs
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17:27 gsams Occam's Razor meet Murphy's Law.  That fix last week dealing with fines lead to another problem paying fines (because someone didn't explain checking the bills first before processing payment.)
17:28 gsams Simple solutions to make everything go wrong.
17:28 gsams At least there was a simple solution for that.
17:30 jeffdavis If simple solutions make everything go wrong, the simple solution would be to use a complex solution instead. But perhaps that solution is too simple.
17:31 jlitrell In theory, practice and theory are the same.  In practice, they're different.
17:31 gsams jeffdavis: In this case it was a simple solution, that should have been undone when the moment passed.
17:32 gsams jlitrell: Yes.
17:32 gsams jlitrell++
17:32 jeffdavis gsams: I hate those ones. My sympathies.
17:33 gsams jeffdavis++
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