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05:01 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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08:12 miker so, that test failure is due to a postgres bug fix which, by the way, we desperately want: http://git.postgresql.org/gitweb/?p=​postgresql.git;a=commitdiff;h=79af9a​1d2668c9edc8171f03c39e7fed571eeb98
08:12 miker I'll adjust the test to match modern PG, because everyone should upgrade to the most recent minor version in any case :)
08:25 dbwells miker: Thanks for the commit link, I've been wondering about the history behind the change.  Do you think it's going to cause problems for some of our uses?  It seems like in some cases we actually just want an XML fragment, since we're going to insert into another record or whatnot.
08:25 miker no, the fix is going to allow us to simplify all /sorts/ of xpath-using code
08:27 dbwells Ah, I wasn't really thinking that direction.  There are a bunch of places where we have to dance around not having a proper namespace.
08:27 miker before that fix we have to write things like [local-name()="subfield"] because sometimes there's a namespace bound to the node (if we're looking at a full marcxml doc) and sometimes not (if we're looking at the result of an xpath expr)
08:27 miker right
08:28 miker current code will always work, but we can make it more correct and self-documenting, and much easier to read, in addition to that
08:29 miker it's never wrong to have a redundant namespace declaration (if it's the same and simply redundant), but it's always wrong to "forget" the namespace of an element that you get from an xpath expr
08:29 dbwells yes, that's great.  Thanks for opening my eyes a bit.
08:30 miker (being over-explain-y for the room and history ;) )
08:30 dbwells I still worry a bit about seeing manipulated records with a bunch of extra namespaces cluttering things, but like you say, that's cosmetic if it happens, and probably pretty easy to fix-up if it becomes an issue.
08:32 miker I look at it like this: it's just space, which is cheap ... and, while I've certainly been known to do it, and it's currently much faster, munging xml via regex is still wrong and shameful
08:33 dbwells but it's so fast!  ;)
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08:35 miker Dyrcona: sorry to pounce immediately, but I have a fix for the test failure, and as RM[aintainer] I'll just ask you: shall I wait for launchpad to load, create a bug, push a branch, and update the bug, or just push the test fix to master? :)
08:36 Dyrcona That's what has typically been done with test fixes so far, so I'd say yes.
08:36 miker you mean push to master?
08:36 Dyrcona No, I mean create a bug on launchpad, etc.
08:37 miker k
08:38 dbwells miker: I'm happy to sign off based on what I already know about the situation, so the bug report can be pretty "lite" :)
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08:40 dbwells Maybe a small consolation.
08:40 Dyrcona Well, I don't think we need much for fixing tests. Something like "test [blah] is broken, this should fix it."
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08:43 miker dbwells: bug 1496837 at ya', and thanks!
08:43 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1496837 in Evergreen "xml-related test is invalid" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496837
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08:47 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1496837: Postgres fixed a bug and broke our test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b06b541>
08:47 dbwells dang, forgot the -s to sign-off.
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09:08 miker dbwells++
09:09 dbwells Dyrcona: bshum: berick: I went ahead and created LP milestones for 2.7.9, 2.8.5, and 2.9.1, because I needed them, but I left the other active ones as-is.  Just a heads up.
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09:15 jeff hrm. there was at least one time recently where i had to use local-name in xpath and thought i had come to the conclusion that it was unavoidable in some (otherwise correct) context.
09:16 jeff though i could be mistaken -- it was a very quick-and-dirty script to begin with.
09:20 Dyrcona dbwells: Thanks. I was going to get around to moving bugs as the bug maintainer later.
09:22 kmlussier miker++ dbwells++
09:35 Dyrcona kmlussier: I am going to build a new development vm and I will add berick's latest branch for "Angularize the Patron Editor."
09:36 Dyrcona Now that 2.9.0 is out the door, I don't feel compelled to stick to just master and our local customizations.
09:36 kmlussier Dyrcona++ Thanks!
09:36 Dyrcona Is today supposed to be Angular day?
09:38 kmlussier Looks like it!
09:39 kmlussier Dyrcona: Speaking of special days, since I never scheduled a bug squashing day before the .0 release I was thinking it might be good to shoot for one before the next point release. So that 2.9.1. can be even better.
09:39 Dyrcona That would be nice.
09:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] Docs: Apache config includes examples for "no image" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=729a4b2>
09:50 bshum dbwells++ # milestone wrangling.
09:50 bshum I think we can close all the last round.
09:59 gmcharlt Dyrcona: it sure is, and I fell down on the ball actually preparing for it
10:00 gmcharlt I'll be available and willing to pitch in and answer questions... but I'll also doing a bigger-actually-prepared-for-it day in October
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10:16 * dbwells can't decide if "fell down on the ball" is a mixed metaphor or a more extreme sports-related idiom of some kind :)
10:17 * dbwells also generally loves mixed metaphors
10:19 berick i'm a pro at extreme falling
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11:00 Dyrcona Dunno what is going on exactly at the moment, but I got a 503 when trying to download the access handler for nsis from nsis.sourceforge.net.
11:00 Dyrcona This is probably temporary.
11:01 Dyrcona It will affect anyone trying to build a Windows client with updates or with the permachine configuration options.
11:02 gmcharlt dbwells: it's the literal truth in my case :)
11:05 jeff some kind of sports-related office ball chair injury has prevented gmcharlt from preparing? :-)
11:06 gmcharlt just recovering from a case of extreme punnery inflicted by miker earlier this week ;)
11:10 berick get thee to a punnery
11:10 phasefx let's not get into that habit
11:11 * berick chuckles
11:11 phasefx we'll be nun too happy
11:16 kmlussier csharp: Can I remvoe you as the assignee from https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1402018?
11:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1402018 in Evergreen "Acq Copy location UI scoped to registered workstation" (affected: 2, heat: 16) [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Chris Sharp (chrissharp123)
11:17 kmlussier Would somebody be able to update the 2.8 release notes page at http://evergreen-ils.org/documentat​ion/release/RELEASE_NOTES_2_8.html with the changes I committed yesterday.
11:18 kmlussier I feel bad about the acknowledgements I omitted, plus the weird issue with the top header is driving me batty.
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11:22 kmlussier @seen csharp
11:22 pinesol_green kmlussier: csharp was last seen in #evergreen 1 day, 21 hours, 14 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <csharp> in my case, it's vastly overestimating the number of rows
11:24 berick kmlussier: i can do that
11:24 kmlussier berick++ Thanks!
11:25 gsams Anyone ever had an issue with the patron bills screen freezing?
11:25 berick gsams: sounds vaguely familiar, maybe patron has 100's of bills?
11:25 gsams berick: 53 overdue items, likely 53+ bills
11:26 bshum Yeah, every time there's lots of bills or lots of things to be summed together, it can crash with the js taking too long.
11:26 bshum I think we mitigated some of that by using the library setting to not autoselect all the bills on launch
11:27 bshum "Lots" is relative, depending on the available memory, etc.
11:27 mmorgan gsams: We don't get freezing, but do get an error when there are lots of individual bills.
11:27 mmorgan lp 1185985
11:27 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1185985 in Evergreen 2.4 "Error in bill2.js, tally_all(); TypeErrorL bill.transaction is undefined" (affected: 9, heat: 42) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1185985
11:27 bshum And we've found that actually using Linux workstations we can retrieve patrons with crazy billings, much better than Windows workstations.
11:28 bshum So 90% of the time, they ask me or mceraso to fix a user via Linux workstations and clear fines, etc. so that they're usable again.
11:28 bshum But that's a bad workaround, not a solution.
11:29 berick browser client is paged.  if it's installed, you could potentially fix them there, too.
11:29 gsams I believe in this situation, if the setting works for this, that will be the solution for us for the time being.
11:29 gsams berick: Unfortunately, not an option.  I am looking forward to it though!
11:30 bshum berick: ooooh, interesting thought!
11:30 kmlussier @eightball will the browser client fix all things?
11:30 pinesol_green kmlussier: The answer is certainly yes.
11:30 bshum I'll have to try that next time around.
11:30 bshum berick++
11:30 bshum kmlussier++ # haha, funny :P
11:30 gsams berick++ bshum++ kmlussier++
11:30 kmlussier I have never seen @eightball give such a definitive answer before.
11:30 gsams kmlussier: perfect timing.
11:30 berick kmlussier: me either.  spooky
11:31 Dyrcona bshum++ # bug wrangling
11:31 bshum Dyrcona: I'm almost done!
11:31 bshum I think
11:32 bshum I need to get back on top of wrangling
11:32 bshum But maybe I'll wait till bug day
11:32 bshum And score some points on kmlussier's charts :)
11:32 Dyrcona To corroborate what bshum says, we see a lot less client freezing with Linux workstations, but it can still happen.
11:33 bshum kmlussier: I was thinking, maybe an early October, before the maintenance release scheduled date, eh?
11:33 berick kmlussier: rel. notes updated
11:35 kmlussier berick: Thank you.
11:35 berick thank you
11:35 gsams Dyrcona: I've setup a few linux workstations at my library (in the past when we needed them on the fly) and they seemed snappier in general.  Though we rarely run into this sort of issue, so that may just be bias or something.
11:35 kmlussier Yay! The header is much better. I was cringing every time I pulled up the page.
11:42 gsams well, the setting does seem to work.  The screen is at least still technically responding at least
11:42 gsams I need to slip at least another at least into that sentence.
11:44 gsams 113 billings, wow.
11:45 bshum I think I've seen worse.
11:46 bshum My favorites are the users with lots of billings and a partial payment applied to everything.
11:46 * mmorgan has seen at least that many, too.
11:46 mmorgan Children's books with very small fine amounts - but a LOT of them.
11:49 gsams From what I can see, the billings never properly loaded unfortunately.
11:51 bshum "Our cruisers can't repel firepower of that magnitude!"
11:51 mmorgan gsams: I seem to remember seeing that a few times. Maybe clear the cache and retrieve the patron again?
11:51 berick The ion cannon will fire....
11:52 gsams mmorgan: that did indeed work for me
11:52 gsams mmorgan++
11:53 gsams 113 fines for a total of $29.30
11:55 jeff we used to have a lot of fun because we had circulations with thousands of zero amount billing line items.
11:55 bshum Oh, those were the days.
11:55 mmorgan That sounds messy! Was that an old bug?
11:57 jeff it was a migration pitfall. this would have been in the 1.2 days. i don't recall for certain, but i think changes since then have made it no longer an issue, or less of an issue.
11:57 mmorgan Glad it's not something we've seen! :)
11:57 berick it's def. fixed
11:57 Dyrcona Yep.
11:58 jeff but when the fine generator saw a bunch of newly-migrated overdue circs with no billings, daily fine of 0 and max fines of 0, it would "catch up" and generate one fine per day until the current day, THEN set a stop fines of MAXFINES.
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11:59 jeff the conversation on irc went something like "should the fine generator be running right now?" "probably not. what's it doing?" "looks like making a lot of $0 fines" :-)
12:01 Dyrcona yep. I recall a branch going in that had is skip tallying overdues when the fine rate is 0.
12:03 bshum Oh good times.
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12:48 Dyrcona Just to followup on the nsis problem that I mentioned earlier, no Windows installer was built for my development system as a result.
12:48 Dyrcona I have not tried it again, but I might in a few minutes.
12:53 Dyrcona And, yes, make win-updates-client appears to be working, now.
12:54 Dyrcona Just "one of those things."
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13:00 Dyrcona Hmm...
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13:50 bshum 10 minutes or so till EOB meeting.
13:51 * rfrasur is stoked.
13:52 kmlussier rfrasur: I don't think 'stoked' is a word I've ever considered using for EOB meetings.
13:52 bshum rfrasur++
13:52 rfrasur Well...it's maybe a little excessive...but I am happy to "see" everyone.
13:52 bshum "Oh, your strength gives me strength..."
13:52 rfrasur bshum++
13:53 rfrasur I have but little strength to offer right now and am particularly glad and humbled by the fortitude and enthusiasm of our library staff.
13:54 * rfrasur has a fountain Coke though.
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14:00 bshum #startmeeting 2015-09-17 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting
14:00 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu Sep 17 14:00:02 2015 US/Eastern.  The chair is bshum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
14:00 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to '2015_09_17___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting'
14:00 bshum #link agenda http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-​oversight-board/2015-September/001116.html
14:00 bshum I didn't get to formally put it to wiki, but I'll link to the reminder email for now.
14:00 bshum Let's see who's here.
14:00 bshum #topic Introductions
14:00 bshum #info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation
14:00 yboston #info yboston - Berklee college of music - EOB
14:00 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Public Library, Evergreen Indiana, EOB member
14:01 tanyap #tanyap is Tanya Prokrym, SLNC, NC Cardinal
14:01 montgoc1 #info montgoc1 is Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries
14:01 tanyap #info tanyap is Tanya Prokrym SLNC
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14:02 bshum csharp told me he had a conflict with another meeting, so he probably won't make it.
14:03 rfrasur I saw tspindler log in.
14:03 yboston BTW, I'll need to  leave early
14:03 bshum And sherbertbc too
14:03 bshum So we probably have enough for quorum anyways.
14:03 * tspindler Tim Spindler (CW MARS)
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14:03 tspindler sorry talking budgets and lost track of time
14:03 bshum yboston: gotcha
14:03 bshum tspindler: No problemo
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14:04 bshum yboston: We'll probably keep this relatively short.
14:04 yboston OK
14:04 sherbertbc_ #info sherbertbc = Sharon Herbert, BC Libraries Cooperative
14:04 tspindler #info Tim Spindler - C/W MARS
14:04 abneiman #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library
14:04 bshum I'll keep us going for now then.
14:04 sherbertbc_ having connection problems, sorry
14:04 bshum #topic Minutes/actions from last meeting - http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-07-16-14.00.html
14:05 bshum 1) tspindler will announce a test meeting in the next 2 months to
14:05 bshum use our GoToWebinar so we can test it and invite other members of the
14:05 bshum Evergreen community to join if they want.
14:05 bshum tspindler++ for putting that together
14:05 bshum And thanks to all of you who participated
14:05 rfrasur What was the verdict?
14:05 bshum #info tspindler to test GoToWebinar with other EOB members
14:06 bshum #info tspindler's results: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-​oversight-board/2015-September/001114.html
14:06 tspindler I think it worked well over all.  Gives us some different options if you  want to use it
14:06 yboston I thought it worked well. Might want to test it with more people at once to be safe
14:06 montgoc1 I agree.  Seemed like it would be fine.
14:07 yboston I bet it would be fine
14:07 abneiman I'm on record before but I like the audio convo better than IRC, I'm more comfortable speaking extemporaneously than typing.  Agree on testing with more members.
14:07 rfrasur And, was the idea that it supports voice and it's recordable?
14:07 tspindler rfrasur: yes
14:08 * rfrasur is just restating for the log.
14:08 bshum Okay, well maybe as the next experiment we could schedule our October meeting with the tool and see how it works out.  The biggest question I'll have is how it handles if more than just EOB members sit in (like if more community members wanted to listen in / participate)
14:08 montgoc1 abneiman: same here.
14:08 tspindler it records the onscreen display and voice but not video images of participants
14:08 yboston though it made me think about IRC meetings, that when I lead a meeting I need to continue to give folks a chance to write out reponses, since not everyone is a fast typicst
14:08 yboston (of course I have gotten faster as my grammar and spelling has gotten worse)
14:09 tspindler bshum:  if we use GoToWebinar, I think make the board panelists and the community members attendees
14:09 rfrasur Will there be an issue with hosting what I'd assume are significantly larger files for the recorded meetings?
14:09 yboston rfrasur: excelent question
14:09 rfrasur And is there a way to transcribe the audio other than and stenographer?
14:09 tspindler good point, it does create some large files
14:09 rfrasur s/and/an
14:10 bshum tspindler: Seems logical to me.
14:10 sherbertbc_ assume we'd still need to keep minutes to summarize discussions, track actions
14:10 rfrasur Just things to think about.  I'm in no way opposed.
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14:10 rfrasur sherbertbc_, absolutely.
14:10 yboston if we don't record video the files will be smaller, but we might have to take time to intruduce our names during the meeting
14:10 montgoc1 Yes. IRC does make it easy to search for information since it includes all conversation and not summaries.
14:10 rfrasur As it stands right now, however, a bot takes the minutes.
14:11 graced_ #info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox
14:11 graced_ sorry I'm late!
14:11 rfrasur welcome, Grace.  All is well.
14:11 bshum Well csharp isn't here to speak in his role as board secretary, but I imagine he would be willing to help curate notes for the meeting trial.
14:11 yboston bshum: I agree
14:11 rfrasur We're discussing the GoToMeeting trial...and the implications to using it for meetings from time to time.
14:12 bshum I just noticed that I didn't mark an actual date for the next meeting, but according to the calendar it's October 15.
14:12 bshum Do we have general interest in making that a trial date to host an audio meeting?
14:12 graced_ thanks rfrasur!
14:12 tspindler That date works for me
14:12 rfrasur Let's shoot for October if all are amenable.
14:12 montgoc1 Sure.
14:13 sherbertbc_ I'm n/a Oct 15, our annual all staff, but go ahead w/o me!
14:13 bshum tspindler: Along the way, for those of us who weren't part of the original trial (me, for example, I'm such a slacker), I wonder if we could ask you to help set up another test in between now and then.
14:13 abneiman 10/15 should be OK with me
14:13 yboston that date works for me
14:13 bshum And we can do a dry run so to speak of the board procedures.
14:14 bshum #agreed Next EOB meeting October 15 to try as audio meeting via GoToWebinar.
14:14 tspindler bshum: i think i could squeeze a date in, I may just have to schedule it and hope it works
14:14 rfrasur +1
14:14 bshum tspindler: That'd be fine, and I will hopefully find myself available this time around.
14:14 tspindler how is the week of October 5 for a test run?
14:15 bshum tspindler: Depends on the day of the week for me.
14:15 rfrasur That Monday, Thursday, or Friday are fine.
14:15 tspindler I could set up for Thursday, October 8 at 2PM EST if that works for a test for anyone
14:15 bshum Thursday or Friday afternoon work for me
14:15 bshum I think there's an academics meeting on that Thursday
14:15 sherbertbc_ Mon or Fri
14:15 bshum For Evergreen academics interest group
14:15 abneiman I'm hit or miss (getting a new circ desk that week) but pick a day/time and I'll try to work it in
14:16 tspindler 4PM EST on October 8?
14:16 bshum Alternatively, maybe we allott an extra 20 minutes or so before the 2 pm regular time on October 15 to work out initial technical setup/issues
14:17 tspindler bshum: that might make more sense.
14:17 rfrasur I like that idea.
14:17 montgoc1 Me too.
14:17 bshum You know, practice before we hit "record"
14:17 bshum "EOB meeting, take 1..."
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14:17 bshum If that's a better idea, let's try to pencil that into the schedule.
14:17 abneiman I'm more in favor of practicing pre-meeting on the 15th
14:18 rfrasur So...maybe 1:30 p.m. with the meeting to begin at regular time?
14:18 bshum rfrasur: +1
14:18 abneiman rfrasur: +1
14:18 tspindler rfrasur: +1
14:18 montgoc1 rfrasur: +1
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14:19 bshum #info Pre-meeting practice for GoToWebinar to occur at 1:30 pm Eastern on October 15 prior to the regular EOB meeting.
14:19 bshum Cool deal, thanks all, and hopefully we get some good feedback on how that next meeting's test goes via audio.
14:19 bshum Anything further on that for now?
14:19 rfrasur And tspindler, you send out the join link?
14:19 tspindler rfrasur: yes, I'll do that
14:19 rfrasur tspindler++
14:20 bshum tspindler++ indeed.
14:20 bshum Okay, 2) past action item
14:20 bshum yboston will follow up with bshum and gmcharlt to review what commnads are being used to get reports from cli-ledger and ask if the SFS has any recommendations for different commands
14:20 bshum Presumably Conservancy, not SFS :)
14:21 yboston I did not work on this, would need to defer to newxt meeting
14:21 rfrasur Again, tspindler++ for putting that into an xlsx
14:21 bshum I'd like to table this action item because there'll be something we're bringing up in New Business regarding the ledger reading
14:21 rfrasur bshum +1
14:21 yboston that is fine by me
14:21 bshum #info yboston's action item for cli-ledger is deferred to later in the meeting.
14:21 bshum #topic EG 2016 Conference Update
14:21 bshum tanyap: Thanks for coming!
14:22 tanyap we are working on several categories right now;
14:22 rfrasur tanyap, can you confirm the dates?
14:22 tanyap we just finished the sponsorship packet and grace reviewed it so we are ready to go 'a sponsoring'.
14:22 tanyap conference is april 20 - 23, 2016.
14:23 tanyap we are waiting on Eventbrite for registration (Tony from SFC is working on this).
14:23 tanyap We have our call for proposals written but are working on our pre-conference descriptions.
14:24 tanyap We are waiting to hear from our keynote speaker request.
14:24 tanyap We hope to open registration and call for proposals by end of sept.
14:24 bshum Excellent!
14:25 graced_ tanyap++
14:25 tanyap i have two questions.
14:25 tanyap 1. should we wait for the call for proposals until registration is ready?
14:26 rfrasur Nope.
14:26 bshum No, I think you can go ahead with proposal call as soon as you're ready.
14:26 graced_ I would say no, as well.
14:26 abneiman no strong opinion on that one
14:26 montgoc1 I personally think having proposals first helps build excitement about the conference.
14:26 rfrasur and tanyap++, btw.  Y'all are on top of things.
14:26 * bshum agrees with montgoc1
14:26 bshum But sometimes time doesn't afford us all that
14:27 tanyap thank you!
14:27 sherbertbc_ montgoc1: agreed, many will wait to register until they see program
14:27 bshum And some of us are bad at submitting program ideas :)
14:27 graced_ And many of us will be there no matter what.  :)
14:27 rfrasur Yeah, I think the earlier you can get out the call for proposals, the better.
14:27 tanyap hah!
14:27 rfrasur graced_++ too true
14:28 bshum tanyap: What's your second question?  :)
14:28 tanyap my second question was about exhibitors but i can ask grace later if necessary. i didn't know when they set up/ broke down.
14:29 graced_ tanyap: I can help you figure that out based on your space and the times.
14:29 graced_ No one should need more than a few hours.
14:29 tanyap ok. thanks.
14:29 bshum Cool, cool.  graced++ # experience!
14:30 bshum anything else for this topic?  Or questions?
14:30 tanyap just fyi - we are looking at keynote speakers that can talk about the next decade because of our theme. and I think that is it unless you have questions.
14:30 graced_ tanyap++ (it bears repeating)
14:30 rfrasur agreed tanyap++
14:30 bshum tanyap++
14:30 montgoc1 tanyap++
14:31 * rfrasur will be plugging the conference tomorrow...and am now more confident.
14:31 abneiman tanyap++ great job you & the rest of the committee! I'm looking forward to it.
14:31 tanyap thank you. i have a great group of people behind me.
14:32 sherbertbc_ tanyap++
14:32 yboston tanyap++
14:32 bshum Okay, moving on for now
14:32 bshum #topic Financial Report
14:32 yboston BTW, I need to leave early and work on a server migration and a meeting
14:32 bshum #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-​oversight-board/2015-September/001117.html
14:33 bshum yboston: Thanks for coming, and I'll make sure to volunteer you for everything once you're gone ;)
14:33 rfrasur yboston++ thank you for the time you could be here.
14:33 bshum Mostly as I noted in the email, between last time and now were just updates to the ledger for final expenses.
14:34 bshum Unless there's a specific question on that, I'll move us along in the agenda because we're going to talk more about the ledger later in new business.
14:34 tspindler bshum: maybe this was answered at the last meeting but at the top there is Evergreen Expenses: 202,000
14:34 tspindler I'm assuming that is not a total of all expenses but something else?
14:35 bshum tspindler: Okay, well
14:35 bshum That is total expenses listed in the ledger, yes.
14:35 bshum So you add Expenses + Income + Unearned Income to get the final tally
14:35 tspindler because the column from banking fees to tradmark adds up to 456,180
14:36 bshum tspindler: Right, you can't straight add all the sub entries.
14:36 bshum You have to look at how the indents work in the summary
14:36 bshum For example, under Expenses, Sales Tax, there's CA and MA
14:36 bshum You add CA + MA = the total line by Sales Tax
14:37 tspindler i see, it was not clear to me, I understand now.
14:37 bshum Yeah, the indents dont' display as nicely in certain email clients.
14:37 tspindler not in gmail, which is what I looked at it in
14:37 rfrasur It doesn't look much different than it did in August.  And, just to clarify..a negative is actually income
14:37 bshum The linked page has a better breakdown based on the space indents
14:38 bshum rfrasur: Yeah that gets me every time that negative is a good thing :)
14:38 rfrasur It's worth repeating in case someone new is reading the financials.
14:38 bshum rfrasur++
14:39 bshum Okay
14:39 bshum #topic Evergreen 2.9 Release Manager Report
14:39 rfrasur I'm not sure about the historic numbers, but it seems like all is in good stead.
14:39 bshum Dyrcona++ # 2.9.0!
14:40 rfrasur Dyrcona++
14:40 tspindler Dyrcona++
14:40 montgoc1 Dyrcona++
14:40 graced_ Dyrcona++
14:40 bshum #link 2.9.0 release announcement blog post: http://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-2-9-0-released/
14:40 abneiman Dyrcona++
14:40 bshum I'm not sure Dyrcona is here actually.  But I'll link to the blog post for the notes.
14:41 bshum Maybe we'll ask him to write up a summary from his viewpoint of 2.9 release process later.
14:41 * bshum waits another beat
14:42 bshum #topic New Business
14:43 bshum #info kmlussier forwarded an email by interested parties to develop a web-based view of the ledger data for Conservancy projects.
14:43 bshum kmlussier: You got two seconds to give folks some background?
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14:44 * rfrasur listens
14:44 kmlussier bshum: I don't have much more background than you do. There is a person from the Sandstorm project who is interested in doing a web-based view of the ledger software the Conservancy works with.
14:45 kmlussier bkuhn thought the Evergreen project would be a good fit for the project. Several of the other Conservancy projects don't pay as much attention to the financials as we do, I guess.
14:45 graced_ So... they want money?  development time?  or what?
14:45 rfrasur I think this sounds very intriguing.
14:46 kmlussier graced_: They  don't want anything from us. They have a volunteer who wants to do the development.
14:46 kmlussier They just want to use us a guinea pigs.
14:46 bshum Feedback I gathered.
14:46 kmlussier *as* guinea pigs
14:46 graced_ kmlussier: how would the data be protected/available?
14:47 graced_ Or do we not have those details yet?
14:47 kmlussier graced_: I've pretty much reported all I know.
14:47 kmlussier I'm not on the EOB anymore, so I forwarded it to responsible parties. :)
14:47 graced_ fair enough - it's worth talking to them to find out some more info
14:47 bshum graced_: I think that's an important question, I just wanted to bring it to the attention that we got tapped to participate.
14:47 bshum *attention of EOB
14:47 graced_ If they include a toggle to turn the negatives into positives and vice versa I might get giddy.  ;-)
14:48 rfrasur agree with graced_.  I think it's definitely worth finding more information.
14:48 abneiman graced_++ agreed, need those questions answered.  And on the neg-to-pos, drives me nuts :)
14:48 bshum What I'd like to do is begin a discussion with the contact from their project and figure out how we proceed.
14:48 bshum Just how, for now, since we have questions like the security of the data.
14:48 rfrasur And, it might be nice to expose Evergreen to people in another project.  Networking is rarely a bad thing.
14:49 graced_ bshum: sounds good.  I assume we should send you a list of any questions/concerns we have?
14:49 bshum graced_: Sure, I'd be happy to take those with me when we initiate the discussion.
14:50 graced_ excellent
14:50 bshum And I'll likely look for volunteers later to gather feedback.
14:50 graced_ consider me volunteering in advance
14:50 rfrasur me too
14:51 bshum Excellent.
14:52 bshum #info bshum and yboston to discuss further details and collect more information on how the project will be initiated for web-based ledger viewing.
14:52 bshum Anything else for New Business?  Or any other topics for discussion today?
14:53 rfrasur Not this month.  Not from me.
14:53 graced_ not from me
14:53 tspindler the fed kept interest rates the same, no change from me
14:53 bshum Hehe
14:53 bshum Okay, then.
14:53 * rfrasur chuckles
14:53 bshum Thanks for coming everyone, and we'll meet again next month, via audio.
14:53 bshum #endmeeting
14:53 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu Sep 17 14:53:52 2015 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:53 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-09-17-14.00.html
14:53 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-09-17-14.00.txt
14:53 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2015/evergreen.2015-09-17-14.00.log.html
14:54 graced_ bshum++
14:54 montgoc1 bshum++
14:54 sherbertbc_ bshum++
14:54 tspindler bshum++
14:54 rfrasur bshum++
14:54 abneiman bshum++
14:54 rfrasur Okay, my lovelies...on to the next meeting.  and tanyap++ again
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15:35 bshum ...yeesh
15:35 bshum bug 1496977 looks annoying
15:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1496977 in Evergreen 2.9 "Duplicate Code in O::A::Cat::AssetCommon" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496977
15:42 bshum Dyrcona: pushed that for you, makes sense to me.
15:43 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP 1496977: Duplicate Code in OpenILS::Application::Cat::AssetCommon - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=dbb9c81>
16:24 miker dang it ... Dyrcona: signing off on your branch and pushing
16:24 miker doh,
16:24 miker or not
16:24 miker bshum++ # thanks
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16:44 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
16:45 kmlussier Huzzah!
16:55 phasefx yay
16:57 phasefx those unrecognized value "" for "ECHO"; assuming "none" warnings are also relatively new, and introduced with a change in psql
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