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08:35 kmlussier Good morning #evergreen
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08:40 mmorgan Good Morning!
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09:14 csharp okay! pop quiz time!  When creating an acq brief record, the entries in acq.lineitem_marc_attr_definition are a) integral to its function or b) completely unrelated
09:14 csharp ...and... GO!
09:15 * csharp tries to add excitement to his otherwise frustrating-as-hell code diving ;-)
09:17 Dyrcona Heh. "It was hard to write. It should be hard to understand."
09:17 Dyrcona BBIAB.
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09:19 * csharp wishes he had a better handle on the basic mechanisms after 7 years of constant study
09:20 Dyrcona Well, acq has changed a lot in that time, hasn't it?
09:20 csharp yep
09:20 csharp and I'm just recently focusing on acq stuff
09:22 csharp hmm - also puzzling, there are fields in the Line Item MARC Attribute Editor interface (Open-ILS/src/templates/conify/glob​al/acq/lineitem_marc_attr_def.tt2) that don't exist in the acq.lineitem_marc_attr_definition table
09:23 csharp and, those fields aren't defined in the acqlimad class in fm_IDL.xml
09:23 csharp so I have no idea where they live either
09:23 Dyrcona They likely are not used.
09:23 csharp (specifically looking for 'tag' and 'subfield'
09:23 csharp )
09:24 csharp well, they have to be stored somewhere, because they are visible in the interface and have values
09:24 Dyrcona They may have been used once and are no longer needed, or someone thought they would be needed and then were never actually used, or I could be wrong.
09:25 tsbere csharp: Could they be pulled from the rest of the system's MARC defs instead of ACQ specific ones?
09:26 Dyrcona I wouldn't be surprised if it the tag and subfield to get the price from, but that is actually done with XPATH.
09:27 Dyrcona But, I'm just guessing without looking.
09:28 tsbere csharp: Ok, I now looked at the file in question. "attrGridGetTag" and "attrGridGetSubfield" appear to exist in the js file for that interface
09:28 csharp Dyrcona: that makes sense here, actually
09:28 csharp tsbere: ah - yeah, now I see those
09:29 Dyrcona My vote, if it counts, is to change the code to use the tag and subfield and use that to have the system build the XPATH.
09:29 csharp Dyrcona++ # totally agree
09:29 Dyrcona One of our most common issues with acq processing is someone making a typo in the XPATH.
09:29 csharp yep - same here
09:31 csharp Dyrcona: you're right - they are pulled from the xpath
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09:33 csharp and, if those defs are even relevant to acq brief records, that appears to result in invalid MARC in the brief record.  See '<marc:datafield tag="001" ind1=" " ind2=" "><marc:subfield code="undefined">' in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/2129327​95/PINES_acq_brief_record_example.txt
09:35 csharp btw, for the logs, I'm trying to address bug 1413352
09:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1413352 in Evergreen "New Brief Record estimated price does not populate" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413352
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09:46 jeff Dyrcona: thanks for confirming that the DVDs-as-Laserdiscs is common. I'd be interested in your approach, when you have a moment to share.
09:47 csharp Dyrcona++ # sharing his extremely useful tools
09:47 csharp jeff: I used those to solve that issue too
09:50 jeff csharp: "those" being the script/scripts Dyrcona mentioned last night?
09:50 csharp jeff: correct
09:51 jeff I feel that I have a better understanding of composite record attributes now.
09:51 jeff Also metabib.record_attr_vector_list
09:53 jeff I do see a lot of vendor brief on-order bibs as Laserdisc
09:56 jeff of course, the 007/04 is not the worst thing about these bibs.
09:56 jeff 245$a ending in (Rental)
09:56 jeff etc.
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09:58 jeff a non-trivial number of OCLC records also.
10:00 jeff 007/04 of 'g' has been Laserdisc since 2001, when 'v' was defined for DVD
10:05 Dyrcona jeff: Do you want to see that script that I mentioned yesterday?
10:06 jeff Yes, please.
10:08 bshum I feel like we just added laserdisc to the definition for DVD in our record attributes stuff
10:08 bshum And then reingested that way.
10:08 bshum Something like that anyways, during our 2.6 upgrade or so
10:13 jeff if we actually have any leftover Laserdisc bibs (for our actual, now weeded Laserdisc collection), I'd imagine that they were not coded as Laserdisc in the old ILS anyway.
10:14 bshum Bleh, it's the little things in life.  Like one missing comma that busts some perl functions.
10:36 jeff heh. the metabib.record_attr view can return attributes that seem to conflict, because it has no way of knowing when different CRA attributes don't make sense together.
10:38 jeff i.e., a record with icon_format values of blu-ray and dvd, vr_format values of v and s, mra.attrs gets the blu-ray icon_format and the s vr_format
10:38 jeff i don't know enough yet to know if that's any actual problem. i know there's metabib.record_attr_flat which does return both values for each of those two attrs, for example.
10:38 Dyrcona jeff: https://gist.github.com/Dy​rcona/b5c1df5ed41ebef50e8e
10:39 Dyrcona jeff: DVD and Blu-ray makes sense for a two-disc set where one is Blu-ray and one DVD, such as a combo pack.
10:40 Dyrcona Some libraries might just circulate them both together.
10:42 jeff Dyrcona: right -- nothing wrong with the record having both, or having two values for vr_format and icon_format... but since metabib.record_attr can only return a single value for each attribute, it reports things like: "icon_format"=>"blu-ray", "search_format"=>"dvd", "mr_hold_format"=>"blu-ray"
10:43 Dyrcona Right, I got that after reading what you said again.
10:43 jeff heh.
10:43 Dyrcona I was busy adding comments to the script above. :)
10:44 jeff Also, I'm going to go do a quick check, but I suspect some of these blu-ray and combo records don't reflect shelf truth.
10:44 miker luckily, metabib.record_attr is just a report compat view these days
10:45 jeff miker: i was going to look/ask
10:53 jeff are duplicate vr_format entries in config.coded_value_map a problem / known issue? Launchpad isn't turning up anything.
10:55 jeff looks like we have exact duplicates for everything other than Blu-ray disc and Unspecified, and a close match with CED and CED videodisc.
10:55 miker jeff: not a known issue, no.  there was an upgrade script that added a few, but IIRC it protected against duplication.  Dyrcona, IIRC, you were involved with that?
10:56 miker jeff: do they have different ctype values?
10:57 Dyrcona I might have been. I don't keep track of much history in my head any more. I usually have to ask git.
10:57 miker there are def duplicate on cod/value/label, but they're differentiated by ctype
10:59 jeff miker: I have 18 rows for this query, all with ctype vr_format: SELECT COUNT(*), ctype, code FROM config.coded_value_map GROUP BY ctype, code HAVING COUNT(*) > 1;
11:00 jeff I don't have reason to believe that it is causing major issues at present, and it could very well be a relic of our database's storied history.
11:12 jeff I think I'd be more worried about removing them at this point, outside of a planned window that included reingesting the affected records.
11:13 jwoodard ok dumb question time
11:14 jwoodard I just got asked about an online patron registration module. Does such a thing exist in Evergreen?
11:14 csharp jwoodard: yep
11:15 csharp jwoodard: live example: https://gapines.org/eg/opac/register
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11:15 jwoodard O_O Is it something that has to be set up or is it a default module in Evergreen?
11:15 jeff another example: https://www.tadl.org/newuser/
11:16 jwoodard I just found it on our page. We do not have a link to it so I never knew about it.
11:16 jeff jwoodard: It's now a supported stock feature -- you can and likely will want to edit the templates as has been done in csharp's example.
11:17 jeff jwoodard: the tadl example I linked pre-dates it being built into Evergreen, so it operates a little differently.
11:17 jwoodard So if a patron registers with this interface where would I find them in Evergreen to complete the process?
11:18 jwoodard More how rather than where.
11:18 jeff Circulation -> Pending Patrons
11:18 jeff (iirc)
11:19 csharp jwoodard: yep, jeff's correct - they end up in a queue for the home library they select when registering
11:20 mmorgan jwoodard: There's also a library setting: "Allow Patron Self-Registration" which (iirc) enables the link in the opac.
11:20 csharp GPLS is actually working up specs to add some functionality to that process (more details available soon)
11:20 csharp mmorgan: that's correct
11:23 jwoodard Well this is awesome. What else about Evergreen do I not know. lol
11:23 jwoodard csharp++  jeff++
11:23 * mmorgan still asks that same question almost daily ;-)
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11:25 kmlussier Sounds like a good conference presentation. Things that nobody knows about in Evergreen.
11:32 bshum Hehe
11:32 bshum I would attend that session.
11:33 mmorgan @who would present that session?
11:33 pinesol_green TaraC_ would present that session.
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12:06 gsams bshum++ #got yaz taken care of once I got the time to.
12:07 gsams jwoodard: Turns out it was nevery turned on afterall because I was afraid it would get used without everyone knowing about it
12:09 gsams kmlussier: I read the new features docs everytime a release is done and I still miss/forget features exist
12:12 kmlussier gsams: One of the reasons I like working on the release notes so much is because it keeps me aware of all the new things we're getting. :)
12:13 jwoodard gsams I turned it on for our library to test it out upon learning that it existed. It is a neat feature that I plan on implementing.
12:13 kmlussier phasefx: I have no opinion on bug 1478299. I'm fine with your solution if you want to merge it.
12:13 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1478299 in Evergreen "Fix hold permit test" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1478299
12:14 jwoodard Our library services a large area so a feature like this is very helpful.
12:14 kmlussier phasefx: Or do you need a signoff for it?
12:16 gsams jwoodard: I'm going to flip the switch for the whole group
12:16 kmlussier I had something very important I was going to work on after hitting Send on the email I just sent. I wish I could remember what it was.
12:17 jcamins kmlussier: tell me what very important thing I was going to do after my morning meetings and before lunch?
12:18 kmlussier jcamins: Yeah, that must have been it.
12:22 jcamins And?
12:22 kmlussier jcamins: Go do that thing that you need to do. You know the one!
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12:41 gsams jwoodard: I turned your link on for the registration
12:58 jwoodard gsams: Thank you! I shot you an email about adding stuff to the page.
12:59 bshum kmlussier: phasefx: I'm leaning towards his solution being generally more predictable too. I wasn't sure how the copy was chosen, since the IDs are generated somewhat randomly?
13:02 kmlussier bshum: OK, well, like I said, I'm fine with it if somebody wants to merge it so that our tests can be happy again.
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13:30 bshum ~search_path
13:30 pinesol_green After restoring a database, make sure to reset the search_path accordingly with something like: alter database unpredicable_haxxors_go_away set search_path = evergreen, public, pg_catalog;
13:46 Dyrcona @dunno
13:46 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Evergreen Command Center http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1204​/EndeavourFlightDeck_cooper_1050.jpg
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14:31 bshum @hate collections
14:31 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.  bshum hates collections.
14:31 bshum Or maybe more accurately..
14:32 bshum @hate Collections.pm
14:32 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.  bshum hates Collections.pm.
14:32 bshum @dontcare collections
14:32 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.  bshum no longer hates collections.
14:34 bshum mrpeters: For fun, I just uncovered https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/990066
14:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 990066 in Evergreen "Collections call to users_of_interest fails for users where actor.usr.card is null" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Triaged]
14:34 bshum Where _bott_ solved the null card problem a different way by having that method skip over any deleted users.
14:34 bshum I think we should incorporate both fixes for a complete solution.
14:34 bshum I'll try and mix-match everything into one LP with a proper pullrequest branch in a few moments.
14:38 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] LP#1478299: fix location for asset used in test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=001bb57>
14:45 bshum _bott_++
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15:42 jeff <controlfield tag="008">880817s1988&#xFF;&#xFF;&#x​FF;&#xFF;enk&#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF; &#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF;&#x​FF;&#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF;&#xFF; &#xFF;&#xFF;eng&#xFF; </controlfield>
15:42 * jeff weeps
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15:56 csharp @bartender jeff
15:56 * pinesol_green fills a pint glass with Boddington's Pub Ale, and sends it sliding down the bar to jeff (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/655/1798/)
15:56 csharp ooh - I used to love Boddingtons
15:58 jeff I found a note to myself: ``There are a number of records from [system] migration where the year value in the 008 tag is "101" for "2001", instead of "01".''
15:58 jeff In running some of the diagnostic queries I had from that discovery, I found some new things.
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16:02 jeff like the &#xFF;s above, but also: this system apparently had behavior of "if date1 is empty, the 008 is a bit... short"
16:15 kmlussier @weather 02771
16:15 pinesol_green kmlussier: The current temperature in Seekonk River, Providence, Rhode Island is 80.8°F (4:14 PM EDT on July 28, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
16:15 kmlussier Wrong
16:25 bshum kmlussier: Are you ready to dance?
16:26 jboyer-isl :Q
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16:27 bshum Calling 0921
16:34 pinesol_green Showing latest 5 of 18 commits to Evergreen...
16:34 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] LP 1198465: Initial tests for conditional negative balances - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=336f8a6>
16:34 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP 1198465: Make conditional negative balances test sql re-runnable - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=14836cc>
16:34 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] LP 1198465: More tests for conditional negative balances - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cde1573>
16:35 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP 1198465: Adapt some language in the negative balance branch - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d5ee86b>
16:35 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1198465: Stamping upgrade script for conditional negative balance - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ea55537>
16:36 kmlussier I never thought I would see the day...
16:36 mmorgan Woo-hoo!!!
16:37 * dbwells feels a disturbance in the Force
16:37 kmlussier Dyrcona++ dbwells++ remingtron++ bshum++
16:37 kmlussier I hope I didn't miss anyone.
16:37 Dyrcona kmlussier++
16:37 Dyrcona You missed yourself. :)
16:38 kmlussier Dyrcona: Well, I obviously am not going to give karma to myself! :)
16:38 mmorgan dbwells:  ...as if millions of negative balances suddently cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. ;-)
16:39 dbwells mmorgan: that's right :)
16:40 kmlussier Also, mmorgan++ for doing a fair share of the testing.
16:41 kmlussier Should I file a follow-up LP bug on the manual adjustments we discussed last week?
16:42 dbwells remingtron++ # he deserves a little extra, those pesky tests ended up being 1700+ lines of code (repetitive, yes, but still!)
16:42 kmlussier bshum++ for writing my release note entries for me.
16:43 kmlussier Looks like it's a karma party day. :)
16:43 bshum remingtron++ dbwells++ Dyrcona++ kmlussier++
16:44 dbwells kmlussier++ Dyrcona++ bshum++ # karma party!
16:44 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] lp1466201 Disable Google Analytics in the staff client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8a10391>
16:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1466201: Release note for disabling Google Analytics in staff interface - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6f332ba>
16:45 kmlussier The only thing that makes me sad is that it was merged before we hit 100 comments.
16:46 dbwells kmlussier: yes, I'd like to see a follow-up bug.  #1198465 will hold a special place in my heart, but I would very much like to never see it again.
16:46 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1476370 Selfcheck logout warning, checkout resets - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=04c67f0>
16:47 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1476370 Selfcheck inactivity warning release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6773705>
16:47 * kmlussier thinks bug 1198465 may still make appearances in her dreams.
16:47 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1198465 in Evergreen "Support for Conditional Negative Balances" (affected: 17, heat: 80) [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198465
16:48 kmlussier s/dreams/nightmares
16:52 bshum Hmm, miker, I'm reading over https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1465385 and I think maybe we should tag that as a bug fix for all currently supported releases; since make_release is in use by all RMs.
16:52 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1465385 in Evergreen "make_release shell syntax is wonky" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
16:52 bshum I'll make some adjustments to the bug tracking appropriately.
16:53 pinesol_green [evergreen|Terran McCanna] LP1454879: Add Account Expiration Date to OPAC - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=86f6a4b>
16:53 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1454879: Release notes for Account Expiration Date in OPAC - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c6a5404>
16:53 bshum And also, probably backport.
16:53 bshum Cause it looks ready to go
16:57 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1465385: Fix some syntax issues with make_release - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c05aeb2>
17:02 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:02 kmlussier hmmm
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17:04 kmlussier Looks like it's unrelated to new copy locations this time around.
17:05 bshum Yeah, web client build failure it looks like
17:06 bshum 404 on the phantomjs archive or some such
17:06 dbwells bshum: any chance at getting review of bug #1422379?  You'd be my hero.
17:07 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1422379 in Evergreen "Move money.billing timestamps back to moment of fine" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422379
17:07 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1347807: Add example "No Image" configuration - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5ff1828>
17:07 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1347807: Release note for "No Image" configuration examples - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8cd6c48>
17:07 bshum dbwells: I aspire to be heroic.
17:08 dbwells bshum: I know it isn't cut-and-dried, so any review, even if it doesn't get pushed, would be appreciated.
17:09 bshum dbwells: Well it conflicts with master now.
17:09 bshum So I'd probably start there.
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17:09 dbwells bshum: darn.  I'll go see how bad.
17:10 bshum dbwells: It's not too crazy looking, but I haven't the same nuanced understanding of all the stuff in CircCommon.pm.
17:10 bshum I'm going to go read over the SQL bits while you take a lookover
17:11 bshum Oh that upgrade SQL is going to be..... FUN.
17:12 bshum By fun I mean I'll probably get to go find a drink or something while I wait for it to operate.
17:12 bshum I'm definitely +1 to the concept.
17:12 bshum Billing timestamps have been a pain forever.
17:13 dbwells bshum: cool.  The rebase looks simple, just an extra 'use' in CircCommon throwing things off.  One moment...
17:13 bshum I can give it a proper whirl on our production dataset later this week dbwells.
17:13 bshum We could definitely get some motion on it before 2.9-beta cutoff next month anyways.
17:13 * kmlussier wonders how much work will need to be done to get bug 1249398 up to date with the latest code.
17:13 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1249398 in Evergreen "Clear negative balance billing option" (affected: 2, heat: 12) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1249398
17:14 kmlussier Anyway, I guess it's time to feed the children. Have a nice night everyone!
17:14 dbwells kmlussier: whoa, I forgot all about that!
17:15 dbwells Very glad to see it fits with what we were talking about a few days ago.
17:15 bshum "seems close to happening"
17:15 bshum LOL
17:15 kmlussier Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that too.
17:15 bshum Only 1.5 years later anyways.
17:15 dbwells Maybe the extra interface bits are almost done already (figers crossed).
17:16 jeff i have a strong desire to set a few thousand marc records on fire.
17:16 kmlussier dbwells: I was thinking it was a bit different, since that feature was intended to work with bills that carried a negative balance and the solution we talked about is getting rid of a positive balance bill. But maybe the underlying code works with both scenarios?
17:16 bshum Evergreen 2.9 -- the release where billing was changed. FOREVER.
17:17 dbwells can't type with the figers crossed, apparently.
17:17 bshum And some OPAC stuff.
17:17 kmlussier dbwells: That's very impressive.
17:17 jeff how do others fight terrible record syndrome? i feel that it's likely a constant battle, but i also feel like we should be able to keep a better handle on it than we are currently.
17:17 kmlussier Oh, I thought you said you were successful in typing with crossed fingers.
17:17 dbwells :)
17:18 * kmlussier really does disappear now.
17:18 dbwells kmlussier: You're right, it is a different angle.  We'll work it out.
17:20 bshum jeff: I like to remember that it was someone else's fault.  Probably.
17:26 jeff we recently had a conversation where it was proposed that that was no longer a valid excuse. :-)
17:26 jeff phraphrasing, "everybody in this room has been here long enough that bad records are no longer something that was broken before we got here"
17:26 bshum Hahaha
17:28 dbwells bshum: heading out, but force-pushed over the old "rebase" branch for bug #1422379
17:28 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1422379 in Evergreen "Move money.billing timestamps back to moment of fine" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422379
17:29 bshum dbwells: Okay, I'll check it out soon-ish.
17:29 bshum Maybe not today, at the rate I'm going.
17:30 dbwells bshum: no problem, just throwing it out there.  Thanks in any case.
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18:44 jwoodard Children are abound, The hot sun still shining bright, August approaches
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