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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen! |
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mmorgan |
Good morning! |
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kmlussier |
@coffee mmorgan |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Guatemala La Conception, and sends it sliding down the bar to mmorgan |
| 09:11 |
mmorgan |
Thank you! |
| 09:12 |
* mmorgan |
inhales the aroma, returns the favor:) |
| 09:12 |
mmorgan |
@coffee kmlussier |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of People's Daily Espresso, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier |
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kmlussier |
:) |
| 09:13 |
kmlussier |
I could use some coffee. Testing the negative balances branch this morning. |
| 09:13 |
mmorgan |
That definitely requires coffee!! |
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jwoodard |
I do not even know who our patrons keep getting negative balances. |
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jwoodard |
Every week there are a few more. I think EG is just messing with me... |
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mmorgan |
negative-balances-- |
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kmlussier |
There will be great joy in Evergreenland when the negative balances branch is merged. |
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* mmorgan |
is not known for happy dances, but will make an exception for that event :) |
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Dyrcona |
@coffee kmlussier |
| 09:40 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Addis Ketema North Italian Espresso Roast, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier |
| 09:41 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Thank you! |
| 09:41 |
kmlussier |
I wish pinesol_green's coffee translated into real coffee. |
| 09:42 |
Dyrcona |
We have 3D printers but no replicators, yet. |
| 09:43 |
remingtron |
Dyrcona: I suppose wifi coffee makers would be a reasonable midterm solution |
| 09:44 |
mmorgan |
"Freshly replicated coffee" doesn't sound that appealing to me anyway. |
| 09:48 |
Dyrcona |
heh |
| 09:49 |
Dyrcona |
remingtron: Yes, I can imagine the spam sent from a coffee maker....Get more beans, now! |
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csharp |
@eightball will pinesol_green accept only Keurig 2.0 cups? |
| 09:49 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later. |
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Dyrcona |
Though there is a documented case of a networked refrigerator sending spam already. |
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csharp |
coffee_drm-- |
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jwoodard |
I d not think I can accept being spammed by my appliances. |
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jwoodard |
Apparently I need more tea this morning as the typos are legion. |
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csharp |
@dunno search dave |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: No matching dunnos were found. |
| 10:12 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. "I can't let you do that, Dave." |
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gsams |
"I'm sorry Dave, you can't have that ice cream." |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
Actually, "I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that." |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
@dunno add I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. Dunno #41 added. |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
"Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye." |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
That is some chilling dialog given the context. |
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berick |
"i'm sorry dave, but your fitbit tells me you need to walk more" |
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Dyrcona |
berick: I've been walking alot this morning. |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
It's a long haul to the server room. |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
And off we go, again. ;) |
| 11:19 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: It's good for you. :) |
| 11:29 |
Dyrcona |
Frustrating. |
| 11:30 |
Dyrcona |
Wasted my morning on Ubuntu installation media that doesn't work. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
I shall regale you while I wait for the DVD writer to be brought to me. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
First, we had a stick that we used before, but someone stuck it in Windows and Windows "repaired" it. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
So that was 1 wasted trip. |
| 11:32 |
miker |
Dyrcona: use debian! also, get off my lawn ;) |
| 11:33 |
Dyrcona |
Then I spent some time trying to repartition it, etc. But the GUI tools refused because of the busted partition tables. |
| 11:33 |
Dyrcona |
Off *your* lawn? ;) |
| 11:34 |
Dyrcona |
So we manually blew out the partition table. |
| 11:34 |
jeff |
unapi db functions are not exposed via anything other than cstore, are they? |
| 11:34 |
Dyrcona |
Formatted it, used Startup Disk Creator, and all seemed good. |
| 11:34 |
Dyrcona |
Went to install, and it can't find the "CD-ROM." |
| 11:35 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: storage, mabye? |
| 11:35 |
Dyrcona |
maybe, even... |
| 11:35 |
Dyrcona |
maybe not..... :( |
| 11:36 |
jeff |
I guess I could re-phrase... are unapi db functions exposed via any public methods (other than "TPAC is a public method")? |
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jeff |
there is the "unapi" that BibTemplate used, which is part of SuperCat, but I don't think that actually uses the unapi db functions. |
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Dyrcona |
Don't think so, but miker would probably know for sure. |
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jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: Sounds like you need iLO (or whatever Dell calls their thing) It's so nice being able to installon bare metal from an ISO on your desktop. |
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Dyrcona |
Meh. I'm gonna burn a CD. |
| 11:42 |
Dyrcona |
My frustration level is kind a high at the moment, though. |
| 11:42 |
* miker |
reads up |
| 11:45 |
miker |
jeff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1367926 .. so, not yet. I'll update that bug, actually ... the request that Stompro makes at the end is "future development" |
| 11:45 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1367926 in Evergreen "Add support for (nearly) direct access to the full unapi backend" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New] |
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| 11:46 |
krvmga |
i'm feeling a little confused over copy statuses. if an item is Missing, should the "Sets copy active" checkbox still be checked? |
| 11:46 |
jeff |
miker++ more bug deja vu |
| 11:47 |
jeff |
meaning, "right! i've looked at that bug/branch before!" |
| 11:49 |
krvmga |
i think yes |
| 11:50 |
mmorgan |
krvmga: I would say no, though I think it's unlikely that Missing would be the status that sets the active date for an item. |
| 11:55 |
jeff |
random thought... in classic json serialization of fieldmapper objects, __c == "class", would __p be "properties" or "payload" or "the __p stands for __p"? |
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jeff |
i guess the variable is JSON_PAYLOAD_KEY |
| 11:55 |
jeff |
so, payload. |
| 11:58 |
kmlussier |
krvmga: I agree with mmorgan, but I also don't think it would cause any problems to have that checkbox checked for Missing status. By the time it's missing, it should already have an active date. |
| 11:59 |
kmlussier |
miker: If you update the LP bug, I'll be happy to look at it again. I think my problem is I wasn't sure if what I was seeing was expected or not. Or jeff can look at it too. :) |
| 11:59 |
miker |
kmlussier: I'm adding a comment now :) |
| 12:01 |
miker |
jeff: right, it's "the class instance payload which will be turned into instance members" for arry-ish objects |
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jeff |
miker: yeah, I'm clear on the concept, my brain just latched onto the "what WORD does that stand for?" |
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jeff |
brains-- |
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miker |
brains-- #indeed |
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krvmga |
when i do a search in the staff client, logged in as though i'm a marlborough staff member BUT i've set my preferred search library to be the Berkshire Athenaeum in Pittsfield |
| 12:43 |
krvmga |
...stay with me...i'm going somewhere with this |
| 12:43 |
krvmga |
i search for the divergent dvd and the results show 0 of 1 copy available in Pittsfield |
| 12:44 |
krvmga |
but Pittsfield has one copy in process and one copy missing. |
| 12:44 |
krvmga |
if i do the same search, logged in as if i'm a pittsfield staff member, the results show 0 of 2 copies available in Pittsfield |
| 12:44 |
krvmga |
why the difference depending on which library i'm logged in as? |
| 12:45 |
krvmga |
is this normal behavior? |
| 12:46 |
krvmga |
in other words, as the marlborough staff member doing a staff client search, i see for pittsfield what a patron would see in the opac. i don't see any opac invisible copy status. |
| 12:47 |
krvmga |
(we've set lost, missing, damaged to be opac not visible) |
| 12:47 |
kmlussier |
krvmga: I understand the question, I just don't know the answer. :) |
| 12:47 |
krvmga |
one might say, why do you want to see the missing pittsfield item? that's logical. |
| 12:48 |
krvmga |
i'm just trying to figure out if this is expected behavior or indicative of something else. |
| 12:49 |
krvmga |
(actually one might say why would _marlborough_ want to see the missing pittsfield item?) |
| 12:49 |
krvmga |
i know staff sometimes want to place a hold on a particular copy but you would never be looking for a missing item to place a hold on... |
| 12:50 |
krvmga |
i think this is a rational behavior for staff client search. i just want to be sure it's intended. |
| 12:50 |
krvmga |
if i'm at a library, i do want to see my missing items. |
| 12:51 |
krvmga |
if i'm at another library A, why would i be searching for library B's missing item in a catalog search? |
| 13:00 |
miker |
krvmga: what you're seeing looks to be the expected outcome, per the code, when there's a pref_lib set. |
| 13:00 |
krvmga |
miker: thx :) |
| 13:02 |
miker |
krvmga: pointers into the code in question: grep -r plib_copy_counts Open-ILS/src/templates/opac/parts/* |
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jeff |
miker: given release notes and review (i can find tuits for that), any reason you can think of that bug 1367926 wouldn't be ready for 2.9? |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1367926 in Evergreen "Add support for (nearly) direct access to the full unapi backend" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1367926 |
| 13:12 |
miker |
jeff: if you want to look into why the alternate formats don't work for bre, that'd be cool, but honestly, I'd be 100% happy with getting just marcxml going ... the benefits to the tpac could be big (it's much faster to go (more) direct), and it's a friendlier API for external harvesting (give a set of bre IDs) |
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yboston |
heads up the DIG monthly meeting will stat at 2 PM EST |
| 14:00 |
yboston |
#startmeeting DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jul 2 14:00:31 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentation_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting_' |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20150702-agenda |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
| 14:01 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music - DIG meeting facilitator |
| 14:02 |
Stompro |
#info Stompro = Josh Stompro, LARL |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
they day beofre a long weekend in the summer, might not be the best time to hold a meeting :) |
| 14:02 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 14:03 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Anderson County Library, SCLENDS |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
OK, folks lets start |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#topic Updates from Content Coordinators |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
if there is anything to report |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
? |
| 14:04 |
kmlussier |
I don't think I have anything |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
OK, we can move on |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
#topic last meeting's action items |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
#info 1) yboston will reach out to krvmga for another copy of his docs to push to master |
| 14:06 |
kmlussier |
Did I see that Stompro was going to work on those docs now? |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I have not spoken to krvmga about it again |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
that is what I thought? |
| 14:06 |
Stompro |
I was going to work on the older added content by ID items. |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I thought krvmga had a work in progress |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
in case you wanted to ask krvmga for it to help you |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
but I could be wrong |
| 14:07 |
remingtron |
looks like krvmga still has the Content Cafe item from 2.7, according to the 2.8 needs page |
| 14:07 |
kmlussier |
I know he started working on them at the DIG hackaway, but I don't know how far he got. |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
Stompro: do you want to follow up with him? |
| 14:08 |
Stompro |
Sure, I'll do that. |
| 14:08 |
remingtron |
Stompro: if krvmga just wants to give you a link to his in-progress stuff, you could post it to the wiki page |
| 14:08 |
remingtron |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.8_needs |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
what should the action item be? not sure of what the content target is? |
| 14:09 |
remingtron |
the 2.7 item is called "Content Cafe Added Content Update " |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
for example, shoudl it be… #action Stompro will work on the older added content by ID items and get work in progress from jim? |
| 14:11 |
remingtron |
yboston: the added content item already has Stompro's name by it, so I'd leave that off for now |
| 14:11 |
remingtron |
just "follow up with jim" seems fine to me |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
so just … #action Stompro will work on "Content Cafe Added Content Update "? |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
(for some reason I have always been confused by this bit of docuentation) |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
*documentation |
| 14:13 |
Stompro |
Caution, contents may be added content. |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
again, I am still confused, and continue to be confused by this particualr bit on documentation. |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
can someone suggest what the action item text is for this? |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
thankfully this does not happen often, but it always happens with this bit |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
Stompro will follow up with krvmga on Added Content documentation? |
| 14:15 |
Stompro |
I'm currently not assigned to look at the content cafe stuff, just the added content by ID... kmlussier, looks good to me. |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
kmlussier: thanks |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
#action Stompro will follow up with krvmga on Added Content documentation |
| 14:16 |
alynn26 |
that works |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
my apologies |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
moving on, unless there is soemthign else to be said about this ? |
| 14:16 |
remingtron |
go ahead |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
#info 2) kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
no worries if there is no update |
| 14:17 |
kmlussier |
I got as far as pulling out the marc stream importer notes that I'm planning to use for the documentation. So that's progress. |
| 14:17 |
kmlussier |
But, otherwise, nothing to report. |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
cool |
| 14:18 |
kmlussier |
Now that ALA is over, I'm hoping to have some time to finish these things up. If I don't by next meeting, I'll release the tasks to somebody else. |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
#info 2) kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs |
| 14:18 |
kmlussier |
#action kmlussier will complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
#info 3) remingtron will send out email to list about changing the file suffix in the docs repo to .asciidoc |
| 14:19 |
remingtron |
done |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
:) |
| 14:19 |
remingtron |
people seem to support the idea, no major concerns that I've heard |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
now we need volunteers to try out the change |
| 14:19 |
kmlussier |
remingtron++ #Completing your action items! |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
remingtron++ |
| 14:20 |
remingtron |
kmlussier: thanks, it was easier than documentation :) |
| 14:20 |
alynn26 |
Remingtron++ |
| 14:20 |
remingtron |
should we consider it "decided"? or do we need to discuss it at a larger DIG meeting? |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
good question |
| 14:21 |
remingtron |
I think we can call it decided, just wanted to ask all of you for any last concerns |
| 14:21 |
Stompro |
I would consider it decided, charge forward. |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
I think it is decided, just because the list has a larger audience |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
than most meetings |
| 14:21 |
alynn26 |
as someone who uses adoc extension, and from the discussion I say decided |
| 14:21 |
kmlussier |
Yes, if somebody had a concern, they should have raised it on the list. |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
we could send out a final email to say that this is the last call to back out |
| 14:21 |
remingtron |
#agreed We will move forward with changing docs files to use the .adoc extension |
| 14:22 |
alynn26 |
#agree |
| 14:22 |
* kmlussier |
will do her best to break old habits. |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
I would still send another reply to that thread to anounce the change or send in a new email |
| 14:22 |
remingtron |
yboston: sure, give me that action item |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
also, I would have liked to get feedback from Robert about testing out the change |
| 14:22 |
remingtron |
yboston: and another for phase 2: testing |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
remingtron: I will give you an action item |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
#action remingtron will send out an email to the Dig list anouncing that a new file extension will be used for AsciiDoc files |
| 14:24 |
remingtron |
#info The dev docs already include one .adoc file that I added |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
did you want to right out the testing action item or feed me your suggestions? |
| 14:24 |
remingtron |
#link http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/dev/_library_settings_editor.html |
| 14:24 |
remingtron |
yboston: sure... |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
sorry, that should have said "write out" |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
remingtron: also,w ould you liek help in the testing? should we have a seconf action item to reach out to robert? |
| 14:25 |
remingtron |
remingtron will begin testing use of and conversion to the .adoc extension |
| 14:25 |
remingtron |
I'll email Robert |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
#action remingtron will begin testing use of and conversion to the .adoc extension |
| 14:25 |
remingtron |
as part of my testing phase |
| 14:26 |
remingtron |
and I'll email the list if I want help, or when phase 3 is ready |
| 14:26 |
remingtron |
(which is probably the big switch) |
| 14:26 |
remingtron |
I won't do anything crazy without warning :) |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
anything else on this topic? |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
OK, moving on |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
#info 4) all update the 2.8 outstanding features list; remove names of those that cannot continue working on assignment; post completed or incomplete files |
| 14:28 |
remingtron |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.8_needs |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
remingtron++ for updating the wiki after ESI made their updates |
| 14:29 |
remingtron |
#info The 2.8 docs wiki page includes sections of remaining needs from past versions |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
remingtron++ |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
Should we try to pick up the items that are still pending? |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
among us here? and / or ask on the list? |
| 14:30 |
remingtron |
yboston: what do you mean? |
| 14:31 |
alynn26 |
I would ask on the list to see if anyone has any of it documented already. |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
sorry, I mean of version 2.8? |
| 14:31 |
remingtron |
reassign things that are assigned by have stalled? |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
remingtron: that too, reassigned or prod people |
| 14:32 |
remingtron |
it would be great to have a progress report from everyone about their 2.8 assignments |
| 14:32 |
alynn26 |
I would prod people |
| 14:32 |
remingtron |
include saying "there's no shame in sharing half-finished files" |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
I have a git branch with a work-in-progress on my two pieces. I'll take a look at it to see how much work is left to be done. |
| 14:32 |
remingtron |
"or removing your name" |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
should we email people directly or sned a general email to the list |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
? |
| 14:32 |
remingtron |
email the list sounds good |
| 14:33 |
alynn26 |
I would say both |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
Possibly followed up with direct emails? |
| 14:33 |
remingtron |
there you go, both it is! |
| 14:33 |
remingtron |
who wants to do it? |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
I can do that |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
remingtron: good point on the half finsished files, that is always good |
| 14:33 |
alynn26 |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
action draft: kmlussier will send out an email to DIG list to request updates on unfinsished 2.8 new features? |
| 14:35 |
kmlussier |
yboston: Looks good to me |
| 14:35 |
remingtron |
yboston: you're a pro |
| 14:35 |
remingtron |
at drafting action items |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
except when it comes to that added contant thing |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
*content |
| 14:35 |
remingtron |
yboston: well, that's a confusing topic |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
#action kmlussier will send out an email to DIG list to request updates on unfinsished 2.8 new features |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
#idea all will follow up with direct emails to request updates on unfinsished 2.8 new features or to ask for works in progress |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
so far so good? |
| 14:37 |
remingtron |
hm, all will do that? |
| 14:37 |
remingtron |
better if only one person does? |
| 14:37 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, I can take that one too. |
| 14:37 |
kmlussier |
Otherwise, we might have three people contacting one person. |
| 14:37 |
alynn26 |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
I did not want to assume, so I used "idea" |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
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| 14:38 |
remingtron |
yboston: clever use of "idea" |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
Does more work need to be done on the discoverability enhancements? |
| 14:38 |
kmlussier |
I see a lot of subtopics with no names. |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
#action kmlussier will follow up with direct emails to request updates on unfinsished 2.8 new features or to ask for works in progress |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
yes, that topic is a bit of a rabbit hole |
| 14:39 |
remingtron |
kmlussier: right, I think most are not documented yet |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
I spoke to Stompro and remingtron about it |
| 14:39 |
remingtron |
the release notes are pretty long, could just drop those in somewhere? |
| 14:39 |
remingtron |
yboston: what did we decide? |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
one of them suggested that we shoudl start a new section on semantic web to collect a lot of those new features |
| 14:40 |
kmlussier |
I would be in favor of moving the release notes into hte main docs. |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
in one place, since that might make more sense than trying to shoe-horn them in other palces |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ what an awsome AND simple idea |
| 14:41 |
alynn26 |
Release notes++ |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
yboston: It really was remingtron's idea, so... |
| 14:41 |
kmlussier |
remingtron++ |
| 14:41 |
remingtron |
kmlussier: thanks for the credit :) |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
remingtron++ kmlussier++ |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
I can move the content over to a new section, though I may turn to the list for feedback |
| 14:42 |
remingtron |
Stompro: where did you put your Opensearch docs? |
| 14:42 |
Stompro |
In the current opensearch section, it was just a matter of changing a screenshot and adding one sentence. |
| 14:43 |
Stompro |
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.8/_adding_opensearch_to_firefox_browser.html |
| 14:44 |
remingtron |
yboston: go ahead, whoever does the work gets to decide how it's done :) |
| 14:44 |
remingtron |
Stompro: thanks for the link |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
remingtron: I absolutely agree witht hat, but I welcome the feedback |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
#action yboston will move the undocumented content of the 2.8 new feature "TPAC Discoverability Enhancements" to its own section in the docs |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
abything else on this topic? |
| 14:46 |
remingtron |
nope |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
I am excited how close we are to being done with 2.8 |
| 14:46 |
remingtron |
yboston: me too! |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
And then 2.9 is right around the corner. :) |
| 14:46 |
remingtron |
dig hackfest helped a lot |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
:) |
| 14:46 |
alynn26 |
:P |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
#info 6) remingtron will contact Robert Sooullier about updating the docs sites to match the footer of the regular EG site; also to add the CC icon |
| 14:46 |
remingtron |
I forgot all about that! |
| 14:47 |
remingtron |
we decided that it's fine to move forward with the footer change, right? |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
I thought so |
| 14:47 |
remingtron |
great, I'll send that memo off to Robert |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
cool |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
#action remingtron will contact Robert Soullier about updating the docs sites to match the footer of the regular EG site; also to add the CC icon |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
may I move on? (I have a meeting at 3) |
| 14:48 |
remingtron |
go ahead |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
#info 7) kmlussier will add an agenda item tot he web team about updating the doc site footers to match the main site footer, as well as include the CC icon |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
We haven't had a web team meeting |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
#action kmlussier will add an agenda item tot he web team about updating the doc site footers to match the main site footer, as well as include the CC icon |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
OK, I have 8 more minutes to be at this meeting |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
any other topics we want to cover? |
| 14:50 |
remingtron |
only if people want to volunteer for another 2.8 todo item |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
for example: web docs; re-org? |
| 14:51 |
remingtron |
wait...it looks like all of the 2.8 items are assigned! |
| 14:51 |
remingtron |
anyway, that's all from me for now |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
one quick topic I wanted to bring up was something Stompro broguht up to me |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
He asked me why there was no makefile target for building the docs to HTML |
| 14:53 |
yboston |
we are quite far away from doing that, but I look forward to having that available |
| 14:54 |
Stompro |
I just sent robert an email asking for an updated dump of the build process so I can take a look at it. |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
cool |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
I have not heard back from gmcharlt |
| 14:54 |
gmcharlt |
hmm? |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
about the status of the new DIG VM |
| 14:54 |
gmcharlt |
ah, right - y'all will have it by Tuesday |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
that would give us expereince on how to build the docs |
| 14:55 |
remingtron |
gmcharlt: hurray! |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:55 |
Stompro |
Vacation reply from Rober says he is out until after July 20th BTW. |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
good to know |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
Stompro++ |
| 14:55 |
remingtron |
Stompro: thanks for letting us know |
| 14:55 |
alynn26 |
Thanks |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
I hope I learn how to build th docs y myself in HTML & PDF from the experience of helping create the new DIG VM |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
so I need to run off to another meeting |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
any last thoughts/comments? |
| 14:56 |
remingtron |
yboston: nope, thanks for leading! |
| 14:56 |
remingtron |
yboston++ |
| 14:56 |
Stompro |
yboston++ |
| 14:56 |
alynn26 |
ybostom++ |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
thank you all |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
#endmeeting |
| 14:56 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 14:56:48 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:56 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-02-14.00.html |
| 14:56 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-02-14.00.txt |
| 14:56 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-02-14.00.log.html |
| 14:57 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ |
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jboyer-isl |
java-- |
| 15:39 |
jboyer-isl |
Been wrecking my whole day. |
| 15:47 |
miker |
jboyer-isl: as is its wont, sir. as is its wont |
| 15:49 |
jboyer-isl |
Add in Windows Server 2K3 and Adobe Connect and there aren't enough fingers to point at all of the causes of issues. |
| 15:49 |
jboyer-isl |
miker: write once, crash anywhere. |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
@dunno |
| 15:50 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: What we have here is a failure to communicate. |
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| 16:05 |
Dyrcona |
It's a bug, not a feature. |
| 16:06 |
bshum |
Wow, my first report ever killed by PG 9.3's temp_file_limit. |
| 16:06 |
bshum |
ERROR: temporary file size exceeds temp_file_limit (10485760kB) |
| 16:06 |
bshum |
Whoever wanted to run a 10 GB report, goodness... |
| 16:08 |
jwoodard |
10GB? O_O |
| 16:08 |
bshum |
I think that's what that error means. Is that it collected out at least that much in size before PG killed it for being too large. |
| 16:09 |
bshum |
I'm trying to get a capture of the query now from the logs. |
| 16:09 |
alynn26 |
I've done 5GB |
| 16:09 |
jboyer-isl |
Aw, missed Dyrcona before I could post this: https://twitter.com/IMGoph/status/616601133767725057 |
| 16:11 |
jboyer-isl |
bshum: temp files are for sorting if your RAM settings can't handle it all, so it was possibly well over 10GB. |
| 16:11 |
jboyer-isl |
"Can't handle it all" - very technical. Anyway, temp files are usually used for sorting as I understand it. |
| 16:12 |
bshum |
All temp files used by a given PG session. |
| 16:12 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 16:13 |
bshum |
Yeah, that means that one query went bonkers I guess. |
| 16:17 |
kmlussier |
Heh, I like that tweet. :D |
| 16:19 |
kmlussier |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 16:20 |
bshum |
Huh |
| 16:20 |
bshum |
http://pastie.org/10270549 -- part of the query capture from the log |
| 16:20 |
bshum |
I wonder why it seems to join asset.copy to itself |
| 16:21 |
bshum |
call_number to copy, copy to call_number, that seems unhelpful |
| 16:21 |
* bshum |
hates reports |
| 16:24 |
alynn26 |
There is a loop happening. |
| 16:24 |
bshum |
Yeah, that's what it seems like |
| 16:25 |
alynn26 |
That will cause your excessive temp files. |
| 16:25 |
bshum |
Yep |
| 16:25 |
bshum |
alynn26++ |
| 16:26 |
* mmorgan |
hates it when the database gets dizzy ;-) |
| 16:26 |
alynn26 |
LOL mmorgan |
| 16:27 |
jwoodard |
surely someone loves reports? |
| 16:27 |
bshum |
@whocares reports |
| 16:27 |
pinesol_green |
csharp, bshum, rfrasur and RoganH hate reports |
| 16:27 |
alynn26 |
I do. I really do. |
| 16:28 |
* mmorgan |
respects and admires the Reporter interface but doesn't get along with it very well personally. |
| 16:29 |
* alynn26 |
loves reports |
| 16:30 |
jwoodard |
I lose a little more of myself each time I close the reports interface. |
| 16:32 |
alynn26 |
its all in how you pull the data out. Sometimes you get what you want, and sometimes you go back and get more than you want to get what you want. |
| 16:32 |
alynn26 |
Well it is a love hate relationship. |
| 16:35 |
kmlussier |
I know people who love reports. They just don't spend much time in here. |
| 16:36 |
kmlussier |
@later tell Dyrcona I finall got around to posting those billing test cases I promised you. http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=qa:billing_test_cases |
| 16:36 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:36 |
kmlussier |
Oh, so sad to see a typo in an @later and to have no way to fix it. :( |
| 16:37 |
mmorgan |
I think those who have access to query the database directly generally don't like having to dig through the extra layers in the reporter to get the data they need. |
| 16:38 |
mmorgan |
But for users that don't have direct db access it's hugely powerful. |
| 16:38 |
* kmlussier |
will be posting feedback to bug 1198465 shortly, but unfortunately needs to run an errand first. |
| 16:38 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1198465 in Evergreen "Support for Conditional Negative Balances" (affected: 17, heat: 80) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198465 - Assigned to Dan Wells (dbw2) |
| 16:38 |
kmlussier |
Have a nice weekend everyone! |
| 16:38 |
mmorgan |
Happy Fourth!! |
| 16:39 |
jwoodard |
I love getting a report working its the "getting it to work" part where I start losing the love. Thankfully I have not been asked to create a complex report for awhile. |
| 17:10 |
Bmagic |
Has anyone had a scenario where renewing an item results in an error saying that the item has a status of "reshelving" and cannot renew without override? |
| 17:11 |
bshum |
Bmagic: That might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1018011 |
| 17:11 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1018011 in Evergreen "Incorrect copy status caused by reshelving process colliding with item checkout" (affected: 5, heat: 24) [Medium,Confirmed] |
| 17:11 |
bshum |
Where an item was due to be reshelved, and is instead checked out |
| 17:11 |
bshum |
How often are you running reshelving? |
| 17:11 |
gsams |
@love reports |
| 17:11 |
pinesol_green |
gsams: The operation succeeded. gsams loves reports. |
| 17:12 |
gsams |
because it serves an important purpose that I stand behind |
| 17:12 |
pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
| 17:12 |
bshum |
Actually that's odd, it should have changed status to checked out or available in that case. |
| 17:12 |
bshum |
I've never seen an item have a status of reshelving where it was checked out to someone. |
| 17:12 |
bshum |
Maybe bad SQL gone awry? |
| 17:12 |
gsams |
I can't say that I've ever seen that happen myself, and we get all sorts of weird stuff |
| 17:13 |
alynn26 |
I've seen it happen, just not recently. |
| 17:13 |
alynn26 |
@love reports |
| 17:13 |
pinesol_green |
alynn26: The operation succeeded. alynn26 loves reports. |
| 17:13 |
gsams |
@whocares reports |
| 17:13 |
pinesol_green |
gsams and alynn26 love reports |
| 17:13 |
pinesol_green |
csharp, bshum, rfrasur and RoganH hate reports |
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| 17:14 |
gsams |
yay, the balance is real |
| 17:15 |
alynn26 |
I am thinking back, and the time I remember seeing it is when the reshelving interval was over with and the checkout happened at the same time. The two seperate processes happened with in seconds of each other. |
| 17:16 |
alynn26 |
I should say microseconds. |
| 17:16 |
Bmagic |
bshum: I thought it was that, but, wait, yeah the auditor table is telling me whats up |
| 17:20 |
Bmagic |
bshum: the item went from checked out -> reshelving -> available -> reshelving (at this point it's circed) |
| 17:24 |
jwoodard |
@love reports |
| 17:24 |
pinesol_green |
jwoodard: The operation succeeded. jwoodard loves reports. |
| 17:24 |
Bmagic |
bshum: Something different is happening here because the circ happend weeks after it was put back to available. When the circ happend, the item was available and apparently, the circ caused the status to move to reshelving! |
| 17:24 |
jwoodard |
grudgingly |
| 17:28 |
Bmagic |
Is it possible for a circed item to get a status of reshelving? |
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jeff |
Bmagic: "circed item" is unclear to me |
| 19:10 |
jeff |
oh. scrolling back i see more context. |
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