| Time |
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| 00:03 |
bshum |
And rel_2_7 and rel_2_8 have been updated with new server upgrade notes for the latest round of releases. |
| 00:03 |
bshum |
Whew. |
| 00:03 |
jeff |
bshum++ |
| 00:04 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Ben Shum] Docs: Change references to release 2.8.2 for server upgrade - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2f47631> |
| 00:04 |
bshum |
I didn't forward port the 2.7 upgrade scripts to master or rel_2_8, since those paths have diverged. I think that makes sense in my head. |
| 00:04 |
bshum |
Thanks jeff, I got all nervous nilly when I realized I missed a key step in the upgrade script ports :( |
| 00:04 |
bshum |
Rusty release maintaining |
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pinesol_green |
All hail the supreme potentate, bshum has arrived! |
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| 08:51 |
csharp |
so... looking at bug 1068646 and wondering about one of my working assumptions about migration to the web client... |
| 08:51 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1068646 in Evergreen "Improve Consistency of terms in registration and information sheet" (affected: 5, heat: 30) [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068646 |
| 08:51 |
csharp |
er... I meant bug 1452950, sorry |
| 08:51 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1452950 in Evergreen "Angularize the patron editor" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452950 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick) |
| 08:52 |
csharp |
so if those changes are pushed in, does that effectively render the XUL staff client unusable from that point forward? |
| 08:53 |
csharp |
in my fantasy world, we could incrementally migrate our libraries from XUL to webby, but that obviously requires preservation of existing UIs |
| 08:54 |
csharp |
in other words, if those changes are pushed in, and the rest of the web client isn't production-ready, doesn't that strand most of us on 2.8 until the web client is done? |
| 08:57 |
kmlussier |
csharp: It's primarily a labeling change in the web client so that it matches what shows up in the summary pane. Or are you saying you would prefer to see the labeling change in the xul client too? |
| 08:58 |
csharp |
kmlussier: sorry - not the consistency of terminology bug - angularizing the patron editor |
| 08:58 |
csharp |
I linked to the wrong bug initially |
| 08:58 |
eeevil |
csharp: I don't see why the web-staff patron reg would interact with the html-in-xul one. they're all different files |
| 08:59 |
csharp |
eeevil: okay - good - that solves it ;-) |
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| 09:18 |
jeff |
csharp: what, you don't like our chances of having an angularjs interface work successfully in xulrunner? ;-) |
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| 09:21 |
csharp |
jeff: exactly ;-) |
| 09:22 |
mmorgan |
Hmm. Just noticed that lp 1444514 was missing a signedoff tag, and now it's targeted for 2.9. Since it's a bug can it squeeze into 2.8? |
| 09:22 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1444514 in Evergreen 2.8 "Amnesty Mode doesn't work correctly with Backdating" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444514 |
| 09:22 |
gmcharlt |
no! let's shoot for the moon! a jQuery AND Dojo AND AngularJS AND an Ember.js patron editor, all running within the XUL client! |
| 09:23 |
* gmcharlt |
says this because I am working from home today and eeevil can't get to me ;) |
| 09:23 |
jeff |
gmcharlt: speaking as someone who has both dojo and jQuery in our catalog... hush. |
| 09:23 |
eeevil |
gmcharlt: I'll get working on the node.js backend rewrite as well |
| 09:23 |
gmcharlt |
eeevil++ |
| 09:24 |
eeevil |
PL/V8 HERE WE COME! |
| 09:24 |
bshum |
mmorgan: it has multiple series targeted, including 2.8 |
| 09:24 |
jeff |
eeevil: [recycled in-db circ scripts joke goes here again] |
| 09:25 |
bshum |
I would not worry about it yet. |
| 09:25 |
mmorgan |
Oh, ok. I see that now. Thanks. |
| 09:25 |
* mmorgan |
goes to find coffee. |
| 09:32 |
* csharp |
reimplements the perl layer in Java |
| 09:35 |
jeff |
@coffee csharp |
| 09:35 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Sidamo Guji, and sends it sliding down the bar to csharp |
| 09:37 |
* jeff |
thinks about patron phone numbers |
| 09:43 |
csharp |
867-5309-ee-ine |
| 09:45 |
mrpeters |
repaste from yesterday: "mrpeters" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "could not create XPath object" (12 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/70 |
| 09:45 |
mrpeters |
what fun have i gotten myself into with the could not create Xpath object stuff? |
| 09:45 |
mrpeters |
i can't seem to edit any MARC in staff client, nor via the DB |
| 09:48 |
jeff |
mrpeters: recently added broken metabib field definition? |
| 09:49 |
jeff |
mrpeters: as often is the case when something breaks, knowing what changed gives useful context. |
| 09:49 |
mrpeters |
hmm, i dont think i've added any other than any that might have been added with the upgrade to 2.8.0 |
| 09:49 |
mrpeters |
this is just a test system |
| 09:49 |
mrpeters |
so it was a 2.6.2 to 2.8.0 upgrade, many months ago -- i guess nobody had tried editing MARC on it until I did yesterday |
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| 09:55 |
eeevil |
mrpeters: you've got broken xpath in config.metabib_field ... almost certainly mismatched namespace prefix in the xpath compared to what the format dictates. the format and namespace prefix are not necessarily the same. ISTR you running into this recently. see: select name, prefix from config.xml_transform; |
| 09:56 |
eeevil |
or, maybe you had a bad predicate ... one of the two ... |
| 09:56 |
mrpeters |
eeevil: you are right -- we did talk about this but it was several years ago -- i was reading through those logs yesterday (so old they linked to a svn commit hehe) |
| 09:56 |
pastebot |
"mrpeters" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "xml_transform" (10 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/71 |
| 09:58 |
* dbs |
plans to play around with adding some Polymer to the web staff client (e.g. for date picker polyfill) |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
oooh - PG 9.5 has "UPSERT" capability that's basically INSERT, but if it fails either DO NOTHING or DO UPDATE... |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
super handy for upgrade scripts |
| 10:07 |
csharp |
s/has/is gonna have/ |
| 10:09 |
jeff |
csharp: that should be safe to use as soon as everyone is running on 9.5... |
| 10:11 |
bshum |
Let's see when it's released first. |
| 10:16 |
berick |
csharp: get back to me when the have UDPATE -- UPDATE for people who can't type. |
| 10:16 |
jeff |
Ud Paté? |
| 10:22 |
csharp |
berick: if you mistype something, a very slow train rolls by ;-) |
| 10:25 |
berick |
funny thing is i mistyped that sentence. s/the have/they have/ |
| 10:26 |
mrpeters |
fwiw regarding config.xml_transform, the tables are identical in production 2.6.2 and test 2.8.0 |
| 10:26 |
dbwells |
berick++ # I heard on the news last night you were downgraded to a depression, thought you could use a lift |
| 10:27 |
* berick |
feels like he missed something |
| 10:28 |
berick |
oh |
| 10:28 |
berick |
ok |
| 10:28 |
berick |
dbwells++ |
| 10:29 |
berick |
I'm still Tropical, though, which has a nice ring to it |
| 10:29 |
csharp |
@eightball is a tropical depression better than a regular depression? |
| 10:29 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: No chance. |
| 10:29 |
dbwells |
sorry! :) |
| 10:30 |
berick |
oh, sweet, it's heading my way |
| 10:30 |
berick |
THE PROPHECY SHALL BE FULFILLED |
| 10:38 |
pastebot |
"mrpeters" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "cause of my xpath errors for the logs" (38 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/73 |
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| 11:08 |
dbs |
just got bit by https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/1409055 again, but on the bright side I was able to install all of OpenSRF / Evergreen Python packages in a virtualenv without requiring a build of any other pieces |
| 11:08 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1409055 in OpenSRF "Python: opensrf.gateway uses hardcoded HTTP connection, prevents HTTPS communication" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
| 11:09 |
rfrasur |
So, can you/do you work around that? |
| 11:10 |
Dyrcona |
db: I was just thinking it would be nice if I could use it opensrf/oils with Python3. It installed in my Python 2.7 environment, but not sure if the code is valid Python 3 anyway. |
| 11:10 |
dbs |
rfrasur: right now I work around it by modifying the source directly to use a hardcoded HTTPS connection instead :) |
| 11:11 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: there's no way it's python3 compliant |
| 11:11 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: That's what I thought. |
| 11:11 |
* dbs |
has been doing all of his new python work in Python 3 for the last few months |
| 11:11 |
* rfrasur |
is trying to learn stuff even if it's out of order and disconnected. |
| 11:11 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur++ |
| 11:11 |
dbs |
rfrasur++ |
| 11:11 |
rfrasur |
Meh. no need for that. |
| 11:11 |
rfrasur |
ty but...yeah. |
| 11:11 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: I'm "relearning" Python with Python 3. |
| 11:12 |
dbs |
a little use of the six module would probably handle a lot of the low hanging fruit |
| 11:12 |
dbs |
cool! |
| 11:12 |
Dyrcona |
I first kicked the tires around 2000 with Python 1.5 or so, then had another look about 5 years ago, and decided to get serious this time around. |
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* rfrasur |
is now gonna go read to 1st and 2nd graders while they eat and color. |
| 11:14 |
dbs |
Python3 + Flask + Jinja2 + PostgreSQL is my go-to stack for new web apps |
| 11:14 |
jeff |
this makes me feel better about writing this twilio middleman in flask |
| 11:14 |
jeff |
:-) |
| 11:14 |
Dyrcona |
I haven't been doing many new web apps. |
| 11:15 |
* Dyrcona |
forgets. First graders are past eating crayons, aren't they? |
| 11:15 |
jeff |
i was lamenting to someone else this morning that between rails, django, mojolicious, and flask, i'm slightly conversant in too many things. |
| 11:16 |
jeff |
(and not fluent in enough) |
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| 11:16 |
Dyrcona |
I wish my Italian and German were better. ;) |
| 11:17 |
jeff |
thanks to duolingo, i'm finding that my spanish hasn't atrophied as much as i thought. |
| 11:19 |
* phasefx |
builds xulrunner with emscripten to see what happens |
| 11:19 |
Dyrcona |
heh.. Just thought of adding circ-mode-evergreen to GNU Emacs. |
| 11:21 |
Dyrcona |
"An LLVM-to-JavaScript Compiler" that *sounds* backwards. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
It feels weird writing OpenSRF/Evergreen code in Python...finger memory of Perl, plus remembering to use 2.7 syntax for print. |
| 11:35 |
phasefx |
archive.org is using emscripten for jsmess |
| 11:35 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 11:36 |
Dyrcona |
jsmess sounds like an appropriate name. |
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dbs |
Dyrcona: you've been able to use print() in Python 2 for pretty much forever, no? |
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| 11:54 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Maybe. I got a syntax error the other day, but maybe that was running a 2.7 script with the 3.4 executable. |
| 11:54 |
* Dyrcona |
has a lot going on right now. |
| 11:56 |
dbs |
berick: heh, you got a patch in while I was talking and testing :) |
| 11:56 |
dbs |
berick: maybe we could combine patch forces to support both default protocol and just allowing the user to pass in the protocol explicitly as part of the gateway argument? |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: yes, print() works in 2.7. I just changed my test script. |
| 11:58 |
Dyrcona |
When I'm doing something Evergreen-related, I'm expecting Perl, so my fingers want to type . instead of +. |
| 11:59 |
berick |
dbs: works for me. i thought about that, then got lazy |
| 11:59 |
Dyrcona |
Cool thing. I can load my JSON files with my login credentials that I use in Perl and use those almost, as-is to login via Python. |
| 12:00 |
eeevil |
Dyrcona: switch to perl6. get + /and/ no whitespace-as-syntax! |
| 12:00 |
* eeevil |
ducks |
| 12:01 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
| 12:01 |
berick |
@love whitespace-as-syntax |
| 12:01 |
pinesol_green |
berick: The operation succeeded. berick loves whitespace-as-syntax. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm not a fan, but I can deal. |
| 12:03 |
Dyrcona |
So, ClientResponse does not have a gather method. Maybe I should look into adding it. |
| 12:03 |
eeevil |
berick: I will direct you to my twitter and facebook nicks in response to your love |
| 12:03 |
eeevil |
(spaceisntsyntax, for the record) |
| 12:04 |
berick |
eeevil: oh, i'm aware :) |
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* phasefx |
will just start coding in MarioMaker |
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| 12:26 |
Dyrcona |
For eeevil's sake, I'll use whitespace. :) |
| 12:28 |
Dyrcona |
Man, does it take a long time to list the archives on a DAT drive.... ;) |
| 13:04 |
jeff |
and then you find yourself writing another query that ends in something like ORDER BY LENGTH(day_phone) DESC; |
| 13:06 |
Dyrcona |
And then, you find this in your console, "tar: This does not look like a tar archive" |
| 13:14 |
mmorgan |
jeff++ |
| 13:14 |
mmorgan |
Great idea for finding copies with short barcodes :-D |
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| 13:16 |
Dyrcona |
For barcodes, I'd just do where length(barcode) <> 14 or whatever length they're supposed to be. |
| 13:20 |
* Dyrcona |
waits on the drive to read another tape. |
| 13:22 |
* mmorgan |
used to try regular expressions, but length(barcode) works much better |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
Yep. the postgresql docs are your friend. |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
My trouble is always with the date functions. |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
I use so many different code libraries to manipulate dates, that I always have to look them up. |
| 13:25 |
Dyrcona |
I tried using today() in postgres this morning and it didn't like it. |
| 13:25 |
Dyrcona |
today() comes from one of the DateTime perl modules. |
| 13:35 |
Dyrcona |
EOB meeting today, yeah? |
| 13:35 |
bshum |
Yep, at 2 pm eastern |
| 13:36 |
bshum |
In about 24 minutes |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
ok |
| 13:36 |
Dyrcona |
Ooh. I think this tape is good, after cleaning the drive 3 times. |
| 13:45 |
jeff |
tape-- |
| 13:47 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
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csharp |
basically the formula appears to be 1) SFC doesn't publish expectations/guidelines 2) EG people cross an unknown line 3) SFC responds to line-crossing in a scolding (at best) or litigious (at worst) manner 4) EG people feel attacked and resentful |
| 13:55 |
csharp |
wth? |
| 13:55 |
csharp |
sorry - I didn't mean to post that here |
| 13:55 |
Dyrcona |
Guess not. |
| 13:56 |
* csharp |
curses poor conference wifi :-( |
| 13:56 |
csharp |
that's the plot of my new novel, btw - no relevance to anything real |
| 13:56 |
rfrasur |
lol, I'd read it. |
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berick |
go get em, csharp |
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miker |
rfrasur: Palmolive... |
| 13:59 |
bshum |
Okay |
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rfrasur |
miker... |
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bshum |
#startmeeting 2015-06-18 - Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jun 18 14:00:39 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is bshum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2015_06_18___evergreen_oversight_board_meeting' |
| 14:00 |
bshum |
#link agenda: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001060.html |
| 14:00 |
bshum |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
bshum |
#info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation (chair) |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
| 14:01 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
| 14:01 |
csharp |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS, IRC-gaffer |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#info yboston = Yamil Suarez - Berklee College ofMusic |
| 14:01 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:01 |
sherbert |
#info sherbert = Sharon Herbert, BC Libraries Cooperative/Sitka |
| 14:01 |
* bshum |
waves at abneiman, glad you were able to make it and also cheers on your special day :) |
| 14:02 |
tspindler |
#info tspindler = Tim Spindler, C/W MARS |
| 14:02 |
abneiman |
bshum: :-D thanks! |
| 14:02 |
bshum |
Cool deal, that's everybody, Chauncey sends his regrets |
| 14:02 |
bshum |
#topic Minutes/actions from last meeting |
| 14:02 |
bshum |
#info See: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2015-05-14 |
| 14:03 |
bshum |
Thanks csharp for preparing that for us while he's traveling |
| 14:03 |
bshum |
csharp++ |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
csharp++ |
| 14:04 |
bshum |
Does anyone have any notes or changes for those before we move on? |
| 14:04 |
bshum |
(I know that we'll probably want to take some new action again on some subjects like Conservancy) |
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rfrasur |
I think that'd be under old business though, right? |
| 14:05 |
bshum |
Old/new, sure |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
none from me |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
Okay then |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
#topic EG 2015 Conference Wrap-up report |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
Buzzy couldn't be here today, but he sent along his report to the list |
| 14:07 |
bshum |
#link buzzy wrap-up report: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001061.html |
| 14:07 |
rfrasur |
bshum, if we want to continue discussion about the conservancy at this meeting, it probably need to go as old business at number 7. |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Good idea, I'll slot it around there. |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
thanks :-) |
| 14:09 |
bshum |
buzzy's update looked pretty good to me, I liked reading through all the survey results. |
| 14:09 |
bshum |
I'll be more interested to see the final accounting, which kind of leads us to the next topic. |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
Are there comments/questions about the conference that aren't reflected in the email or the pdf? |
| 14:10 |
bshum |
Hmm, a good question. |
| 14:10 |
rfrasur |
What did y'all think of the lanyards? and the safety committee? |
| 14:10 |
tspindler |
I thoujght they worked well |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
my bad, I missed the PDf in Buzzy email. Having a quick look at the comments |
| 14:11 |
* csharp |
didn't hear any comments about the lanyards, good or bad |
| 14:11 |
rfrasur |
I did kinda chuckle at some of the comments...and am glad they're anonymous. |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
The comments I got was that their use was clear |
| 14:12 |
abneiman |
IMO lanyards were great. Plan to save mine for next year. But as csharp, I didn't hear any remarks positive/negative on them. |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
csharp: same here...which is probably a good thing rather than a bad one. |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
abneiman: same here on the "reuse." |
| 14:12 |
tprokrym |
may I ask a question? |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
Please do |
| 14:13 |
* csharp |
is amused at the number of bacon-positive comments |
| 14:13 |
tprokrym |
Do we now have to use those lanyards? I was proposing to have the lanyards as a possible sponsorship? If not, I'll change what I sent Grace. |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
The plan was to reuse them at upcoming conferences and extras were purchases for that reason. |
| 14:13 |
graced |
Yes, we are planning to continue using the lanyards which eliminates them from a sponsorship opportunity |
| 14:13 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:13 |
tprokrym |
I haven't read Buzzy's report yet. |
| 14:14 |
graced |
The lanyard decision was made for this past and future conferences |
| 14:14 |
rfrasur |
I believe they were either purchased by/at the will of EOB or Equinox... |
| 14:14 |
graced |
EOB purchased them |
| 14:14 |
rfrasur |
thanks...was just gonna ask you for clarification. |
| 14:14 |
graced |
Equinox is "housing" and shipping them as needed. |
| 14:15 |
tprokrym |
ok. doesn't affect the budget for 2016 much. |
| 14:15 |
rfrasur |
bshum? You see anything else conference related that we should talk about? |
| 14:16 |
rfrasur |
2015 conference, that is. |
| 14:16 |
bshum |
Not at this time. |
| 14:16 |
bshum |
But I reserve the right to recall this witness. |
| 14:17 |
rfrasur |
I think we definitely need to have it in the minutes to thank Buzzy and the Oregon crew. It was a great time from my perspective and I had a lot to report back to my board...which is a good thing. |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
bshum++ |
| 14:17 |
csharp |
buzzy++ |
| 14:17 |
rfrasur |
bmills++ |
| 14:17 |
csharp |
bmills++ |
| 14:17 |
rfrasur |
buzzy++ |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
bacon++ |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
buzzy++ |
| 14:18 |
sherbert |
bmills++ |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
Indeed, they did great work. |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
Alrighty, if nothing else for now on this subject, we'll move along. |
| 14:18 |
bshum |
#topic Financial Summary Report |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
#info http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001059.html |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
A note on this one... |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
The last income entries here were for some final registrations for the conference ending in May. |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
There's an outstanding question about some of the targeted outreach funds |
| 14:20 |
* rfrasur |
listens intently. |
| 14:20 |
bshum |
kmlussier was working on this last, and we may defer some of that to the Outreach Committee update later in this agenda. |
| 14:21 |
rfrasur |
So, I have a couple questions...or ten (sorry) so that I'm up to speed on things) |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Sure :) |
| 14:22 |
rfrasur |
1. Thanks to bshum for answering, in quick succession, the several emails I sent him already on this. |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
Related, rfrasur++ for asking me some questions yesterday and getting me to look more closely at the ledger |
| 14:23 |
rfrasur |
2. So, I broke all this stuff out into a spreadsheet so that I could make sure I was understanding it correctly. |
| 14:23 |
rfrasur |
enough numbered list. There's some things I don't understand. Where is the line item that shows how much we pay the conservancy (and these aren't in order)?\ |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
(I got this to balance within a penny...but something's up. Maybe a rounding diff between Ledger and Excel?) |
| 14:26 |
rfrasur |
Anyone got a handle on how what we pay to the Conservancy is accounted? |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
is there a way to get that report with a debit and credit column, otherwise need to do what Ruth is doing |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
tspindler: I'll be glad to send along the spreadsheet I put together. |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
So, the evergreen ledger file is written in plain text. |
| 14:27 |
bshum |
(and note I am still not an expert in this type of accounting, or any accounting at all) |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
Hold on...I'll get a link for y'all. It's a little easier to see in spreadsheet form. |
| 14:28 |
bshum |
But let's say a transaction gets logged like, http://pastie.org/private/e4z9buuy0gytrtshdrdzvw (which contains some redacted values) |
| 14:28 |
bshum |
So each entry contains an "income:evergreen..." something line. |
| 14:28 |
rfrasur |
Hopefully this works https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/348671/EOB/financial_reconciliation_2015_06_17.xlsx |
| 14:28 |
bshum |
And also an "Income:Conservancy:Donations" line |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
Which yields the percentage given to them |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
(I think that particular entry is from 2011 and before we brought it up to 10%) |
| 14:29 |
tspindler |
Thanks rfrasur, i can do it easy enough. I just wasn't sure if it could be out put in some other way than plain text. |
| 14:29 |
rfrasur |
Okay...so that's what the donations are. That was a question I had as well. |
| 14:29 |
Stompro |
Do I need to request access to working/random if I have access to working/evergreen ? |
| 14:29 |
rfrasur |
tspindler: I have no doubt...just no need to reinvent if you don't need to. |
| 14:30 |
bshum |
tspindler: My understanding is that there's lots of ways of interacting with the ledger file using the ledger-cli application. |
| 14:30 |
bshum |
But I'm not familiar with all the different commands possible. |
| 14:30 |
bshum |
Stompro: There's an EOB meeting in-progress, but hang on to your question :) |
| 14:31 |
bshum |
So, actually rfrasur, the "donation" line in our summary is ours |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
So, donations seems, in my mind, to be listed as income... |
| 14:31 |
bshum |
The command filters only to find all "Income|Expense|Unearned Income related to "Evergreen" |
| 14:31 |
bshum |
If I run another command for "Conservancy", I get different income for them. |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
thanks bshum, this is enough i don't want to belabor that piece |
| 14:32 |
bshum |
That likely isn't counted among our assets. |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
formating of repot that is |
| 14:32 |
bshum |
tspindler: Perhaps what we can do is ask our wonderful Conservancy representative to contact them to ask them for additional methods of formatting contents from the report. |
| 14:33 |
* bshum |
eyes csharp |
| 14:33 |
tspindler |
the numbers seem reasonable to me |
| 14:33 |
csharp |
sure - whatever you want |
| 14:33 |
bshum |
And maybe rfrasur can also pass along specific questions on that front to csharp |
| 14:33 |
csharp |
yeah - was about to ask for specifics, but that doesn't have to take up meeting time |
| 14:33 |
rfrasur |
Well, I can I just state my concern? I'm not sure that I have a question at this point. |
| 14:34 |
rfrasur |
My concern is that this financial report doesn't give us a complete picture as is. And that's not a dig against a person or entity. Just a statement. |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
In the spreadsheet that I put together to run the numbers, I had to add "miscellaneous" categories that I'm assuming are there...but not included. And if that's the case...what's the miscellaneous? |
| 14:35 |
rfrasur |
So, I dunno csharp, can you parse some usable questions out of my concerns? |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
rfrasur: I thought about that more last night and I wonder if maybe the reason there's not a specific sub-lineitem for each broken out category is just that the text isn't written that way. |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
meaning that while some expenses get tagged "Conferences:Venue:Food", some are just "Conference:Venue" for example. |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
and not given further clarifications. |
| 14:36 |
csharp |
rfrasur: want to craft an email with your specific questions and then send it to me and probably bshum? |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
bshum, that could very well be...and, if so, there needs to be some clean up. |
| 14:37 |
graced |
Or to the EOB list? |
| 14:37 |
csharp |
graced++ # yeah, that's better ;-) |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
To the EOB list sounds fine to me. We can all digest and consider it. |
| 14:37 |
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| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
csharp: graced: EOB list. It'll take me a little while. As in a day or so. |
| 14:37 |
graced |
rfrasur++ |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
I agree that cleanup of the ledger would be nice. |
| 14:38 |
bshum |
I still don't know what to make of "Unearned Income" that lingers forever. |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
I just know that I looked at it and thought "If I had to show this to my library board, I'd freak." |
| 14:38 |
bshum |
Okay, so... |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
That's all I have at this point on that then, I think. |
| 14:38 |
bshum |
action item time! |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
#action rfrasur to draft request for details and clarification for Financial Summary / Evergreen Ledger to send to EOB list |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
bshum: in accounting terms, unearned income relates to revenue generated but no service or product provided, I don't kno why it is there. |
| 14:39 |
rfrasur |
bshum++ #on it |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
#help EOB members to assist in review and communicate concerns to Conservancy. |
| 14:40 |
bshum |
rfrasur++ # thanks for asking the good questions, we'll sort this out :) |
| 14:40 |
bshum |
Anything else on financials for now, before we move on? |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
(My kids HATE when I ask the "good questions") |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
rfrasur++ |
| 14:41 |
bshum |
Okay then |
| 14:41 |
bshum |
#topic Evergreen 2.9 Release Manager's Report |
| 14:41 |
* bshum |
thanks Dyrcona in advance |
| 14:42 |
* rfrasur |
resists cheering for Dyrcona but then types about resisting. |
| 14:42 |
Dyrcona |
There is not much to report, yet. |
| 14:43 |
Dyrcona |
The dates have been added to the developers' Google calendar. |
| 14:44 |
Dyrcona |
And, I've put up a public roadmap that anyone can add to: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
#info 2.9 public roadmap that anyone can add to: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 14:45 |
bshum |
Cool deal |
| 14:45 |
bshum |
Any quick questions for Dyrcona before we move on. |
| 14:45 |
bshum |
Dyrcona++ # taking on the RM mantle |
| 14:45 |
tspindler |
Dyrcona ++ |
| 14:45 |
bshum |
And good luck to him and all the devs and contributors as the next phase begins. |
| 14:45 |
csharp |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:45 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:46 |
graced |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:46 |
sherbert |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:46 |
bshum |
Okay then |
| 14:46 |
bshum |
#topic Evergreen Outreach Update |
| 14:46 |
bshum |
kmlussier sent out an email on this. |
| 14:47 |
bshum |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001062.html |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
Yes, I wasn't going to provide much of an update beyond the email, but since bshum mentioned it... |
| 14:47 |
bshum |
in there is a call for action to appoint additional members |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
I am waiting to hear on donations for the Outreach program. I did hear that we received a donation on the day it was announced, but the ledger doesn't reflect this income. |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
I'm guessing they are behind in adding those donations to the ledger, but I'm still waiting for some confirmation on that guess. |
| 14:48 |
rfrasur |
They referring to the Conservancy? |
| 14:48 |
kmlussier |
Otherwise, the program is going well and we're almost ready to show off Evergree at ALA! |
| 14:49 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Yes. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
k |
| 14:49 |
bshum |
Thanks kmlussier, keep us posted on that with Conservancy, and if we should rope in csharp if it gets to become a longer discussion than "oops, we'll get those missing entries added soon" |
| 14:50 |
bshum |
And good luck! Wish I was going to ALA to help :) |
| 14:50 |
kmlussier |
If anyone does know an Evergreener going to ALA, please encourage them to volunteer! I'm happy to buddy up with somebody. |
| 14:50 |
bshum |
I'm going to open a quick poll to approve the additional volunteer names that kmlussier listed in her email for joining the committee? |
| 14:51 |
bshum |
#startvote Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee? Yes, no, abstain |
| 14:51 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee? Valid vote options are Yes, no, abstain. |
| 14:51 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:52 |
sherbert |
yes |
| 14:52 |
csharp |
#vote Yes |
| 14:52 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
| 14:52 |
bshum |
#vote Yes |
| 14:52 |
abneiman |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
sherbert |
#vote yes |
| 14:52 |
rfrasur |
#vote abstain |
| 14:52 |
bshum |
Okay |
| 14:52 |
bshum |
#endvote |
| 14:52 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 14:52 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Approve volunteer additions for Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to Outreach Committee?" Results are |
| 14:52 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (7): tspindler, abneiman, graced, csharp, bshum, sherbert, yboston |
| 14:52 |
pinesol_green |
abstain (1): rfrasur |
| 14:52 |
bshum |
there we go. |
| 14:53 |
bshum |
#info Board voted to approve additions of Meme Harlow and Ruth Frasur to the Outreach Committee. |
| 14:53 |
bshum |
Thanks, and good luck to all. |
| 14:53 |
bshum |
Anything else for kmlussier, etc. before we move on? |
| 14:53 |
csharp |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:53 |
abneiman |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:53 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:53 |
graced |
kmlussier |
| 14:54 |
sherbert |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:54 |
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bbqben joined #evergreen |
| 14:54 |
graced |
er kmlussier++ |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:54 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
Okay then |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ #and the rest of the outreach committee |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
we're on to new business now |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
With only 5 minutes left in this hour |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
So we'll try to make this quick |
| 14:54 |
bshum |
#topic EG2016 Conference Updates |
| 14:55 |
bshum |
I saw tprokrym was in the channel earlier, and apologies to you that I didn't pre-contact you |
| 14:55 |
bshum |
Thanks for coming along anyways. |
| 14:55 |
bshum |
What I'll generally propose for future meetings is to slot in 2016 updates in place of previous updates (obviously) |
| 14:55 |
tprokrym |
i sent budget to grace and sponsorship descriptions. Tony/Karen are signing contract with sheraton today. |
| 14:55 |
csharp |
sorry all, I have to leave now :-/ |
| 14:56 |
bshum |
Thanks csharp, enjoy the rest of PGCon |
| 14:56 |
csharp |
bshum: thanks |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
see ya csharp and thank you |
| 14:56 |
graced |
tprokrym++ |
| 14:56 |
bshum |
tprokrym++ Awesome! |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
tprokrym++ |
| 14:56 |
sherbert |
tprokrym++ |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
So the venue is selected already? |
| 14:57 |
tprokrym |
fyi -- johnnie pippin will join this meeting as my backup. |
| 14:57 |
bshum |
Has the EOB voted to approve the conference budget? |
| 14:57 |
graced |
not yet |
| 14:57 |
* bshum |
doesn't remember seeing anything on that. |
| 14:57 |
tprokrym |
yes. If that is ok. Tony has been talking with the Sheraton. They provided the best deal; they were used by Code4lib a few years ago. |
| 14:57 |
abneiman |
tprokrym++ |
| 14:58 |
tprokrym |
so was that out of order? |
| 14:58 |
graced |
Tanya sent it to me yesterday and I have a few quick things I want to suggest to her before I forward the budget for a vote |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
Perhaps |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
It'll probably be okay. |
| 14:58 |
bshum |
graced: Sounds good to me. |
| 14:58 |
graced |
There was a pressing need to move on the venue quickly, though. |
| 14:59 |
tprokrym |
yes. they are not going to hold the space past next Monday. |
| 14:59 |
graced |
And it's my bad for holding up the budget with Tanya. |
| 14:59 |
rfrasur |
graced: Is the budget pretty much in line with previous ones? |
| 14:59 |
graced |
The budget looks great. I'm very happy with it overall. |
| 14:59 |
bshum |
tprokrym: graced: Once you guys have had a chance to poke and prod at the budget a bit more, it'd be great if you could send it on to the EOB list for consumption. We can discuss/vote online as necessary. |
| 14:59 |
graced |
Will do. |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
#action tprokrym and graced to send on new EG2016 Conference budget to EOB list. |
| 15:00 |
rfrasur |
I think, this is probably an extenuating circumstance because of the venue timeline, but as a matter of order in the future, the budget should be approved before contracts are signed. |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Agreed :\ |
| 15:01 |
rfrasur |
tprokrym, does that also mean there's a date? |
| 15:01 |
graced |
much like csharp, I also have to pumpkin. Sorry folks. |
| 15:01 |
tprokrym |
yes; april 20-23,2016. I think that could be changed if necessary. |
| 15:01 |
rfrasur |
graced: thank you :-) |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
Cool deal. |
| 15:02 |
tspindler |
a bit close to patriots day ;) |
| 15:02 |
bshum |
Any other quick questions for tprokrym before we move on? (I know it's the beginning of the process, so wish you guys good luck and help from all) |
| 15:03 |
kmlussier |
tspindler: I don't think most people outside of MA know what Patriot's Day is. :) |
| 15:03 |
bshum |
Okay then, thanks. |
| 15:03 |
tprokrym |
I will work through grace...better next time. |
| 15:03 |
rfrasur |
(we know...we ignore) |
| 15:04 |
bshum |
tprokrym: Thanks! and I'll be sure to send better reminders to everyone too |
| 15:04 |
bshum |
Okay |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
tprokrym: Very seriously, thank you for all the work so far. It's exciting to have a venue/date so early. |
| 15:04 |
bshum |
#topic Social phone conference call for EOB members |
| 15:04 |
bshum |
sherbert asked about this |
| 15:04 |
rfrasur |
I'm down for it. |
| 15:04 |
tspindler |
were you thinking of a conference call instead of chat for a meeting? |
| 15:05 |
sherbert |
Just wondering if others on EOB would like to have a brief meet and greet by conference call sometime in next few weeks? |
| 15:05 |
bshum |
I think her idea was for something semi-unofficial, not business related per say. |
| 15:05 |
sherbert |
I know many of you, but has been some time since we've chatted or seen one another |
| 15:05 |
rfrasur |
Maybe a Google Hangout? |
| 15:05 |
tspindler |
I'm fine with it. Just need to plan around ALA |
| 15:05 |
sherbert |
definitely no EOB business, just social |
| 15:06 |
sherbert |
we can push off until after ALA |
| 15:06 |
yboston |
I am interested |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
sherbert: If it's okay with you, I'd like to give you an action item to help organize this through the EOB list. I might recommend setting up a poll or something after ALA to find a good date / venue. |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
If not, I'll make yboston help :) |
| 15:06 |
sherbert |
will do |
| 15:06 |
yboston |
I was going to volunteer to assist |
| 15:06 |
yboston |
:) |
| 15:06 |
bshum |
Awesome, you both get on the action then |
| 15:07 |
sherbert |
cool, thx yboston |
| 15:07 |
tspindler |
Who else is going to ALA? |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
#action sherbert, yboston to organize a social conference call for EOB members to meet informally and chat. |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
I think it's a great idea and something we should consider doing in the future for new board members who couldn't all make it to conference or whatnots. |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
sherbert++ |
| 15:08 |
tspindler |
sherbert++ |
| 15:08 |
rfrasur |
sherbert++ |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
Okay, any other new business before we conclude today? |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
(so much for being what I thought would be a short meeting...) |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
(but I'm glad we got some good discussion in) |
| 15:09 |
rfrasur |
Thanks all, and bshum++ |
| 15:09 |
bshum |
Okay, with thanks and regards to all. |
| 15:09 |
bshum |
#topic Next meeting: July 16, 2015 @ 2:00 pm Eastern |
| 15:09 |
bshum |
We can shift that if needed, but that's the next regularly scheduled time. |
| 15:09 |
bshum |
Thanks everyone! |
| 15:10 |
yboston |
bshum++ |
| 15:10 |
* rfrasur |
is off to library. |
| 15:10 |
bshum |
#endmeeting |
| 15:10 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 15:10:17 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:10 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-18-14.00.html |
| 15:10 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-18-14.00.txt |
| 15:10 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-18-14.00.log.html |
| 15:10 |
kmlussier |
bshum++ |
| 15:10 |
abneiman |
bshum++ |
| 15:11 |
tprokrym |
quit |
| 15:11 |
abneiman |
* abneiman to resume beer-drinking & gardening |
| 15:11 |
bshum |
abneiman++ |
| 15:11 |
* bshum |
scrolls way back... |
| 15:12 |
bshum |
Stompro: Did you get any out of channel help? |
| 15:12 |
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| 15:13 |
Stompro |
bshum, I'm just going to try it and see if it works first, I'll ask again if I have problems. |
| 15:13 |
Stompro |
bshum, thanks for checking back with me. |
| 15:14 |
bshum |
Stompro: I think that working/random is its own repo and I'm unsure if it all links together. |
| 15:14 |
bshum |
The git admins would know more about how that's all setup. |
| 15:15 |
* bshum |
would generally infer that each repo is its own, but doesn't know that for certain. |
| 15:15 |
dbs |
a "working" key gives you access to the random repo, but it is its own repo |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
dbs++ |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
Cool knowledge |
| 15:16 |
Dyrcona |
And, it certainly is random. |
| 15:16 |
dbs |
@working = working/Evergreen working/NCIPServer working/OpenSRF working/SIPServer working/random |
| 15:16 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: Have you tried turning it off and back on again? |
| 15:16 |
dbs |
from gitolite.conf in the evergreen git-admin's repo :) |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
Ah cool, I wondered if it was organized that way. |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
nifty |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
That @working means the users/keys in the working group. |
| 15:17 |
dbs |
yes |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
So they have access to the repos listed. |
| 15:18 |
miker |
bshum: the meeting intervened, but, re "palmolive": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzmTtusvjR4&start=13&end=15&autoplay=1 (unfortunately, end= doesn't seem to work anymore ... first second is all you need ;) ) |
| 15:18 |
Stompro |
It worked just fine, I pushed my version of a debian jessie semi-automated install script to random collab/phasefx/wheezy_installer, in the installer/jessie directory. |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
Dunno if I'll be able to make the next EOB meeting. I'll be on vacation in the woods. |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
Ironically, I get better 4G cell reception at the cabin than in my semi-urban living room. |
| 15:20 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: It's all good |
| 15:21 |
bshum |
We can just add a written statement or something. |
| 15:29 |
phasefx |
kmlussier: remember when we were talking about programming books for young people? there's another humble bundle out: https://www.humblebundle.com/books |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
phasefx++ |
| 15:58 |
kmlussier |
phasefx: Thanks! |
| 15:58 |
jwoodard |
So after much painstaking effort I have completed my first billing report and it appears to report like I want it to. |
| 15:59 |
kmlussier |
Excellent! jwoodard++ |
| 16:00 |
kmlussier |
I'm thinking of signing my daughter up for this - http://blog.arungupta.me/devoxx4kids-workshops-redhat-summit-devnation-register/ - this weekend. Looks like it could be fun. |
| 16:01 |
mmorgan |
Sounds like fun! |
| 16:01 |
kmlussier |
Truth be told, I want to sign her up because it says parents can stay and I want to go. :) |
| 16:02 |
* mmorgan |
suspected that might be the case ;-) |
| 16:07 |
Dyrcona |
The HTML5 game session sounds like fun. |
| 16:08 |
jeff |
the results of some cleaning of opac.default_phone values: https://gist.github.com/jeff/2df9293e6d41cd5c0f85 |
| 16:09 |
Dyrcona |
Ugh.... Phone numbers.... Horizon would let you put anything in the phone number field, so staff did. |
| 16:09 |
jeff |
the two SELECT queries in survey_data.sql are interesting to run on a system with "real" data in it, since it shows what kinds of things you have kicking around in there. |
| 16:10 |
jeff |
(outputs are masked -- check the query at the end of the third file to see the raw values you have lurking that the updates don't try to handle.) |
| 16:11 |
berick |
if you dig deep enough, you'll find loose change and the TV remote. |
| 16:14 |
jeff |
berick: those are over in day_phone |
| 16:21 |
rjackson_isl |
I always liked the "No Phone" entries we had after migrations |
| 16:24 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 16:24 |
jeff |
N/A |
| 16:24 |
rjackson_isl |
yup |
| 16:25 |
jeff |
"NO PHONE # GIVEN" |
| 16:25 |
rjackson_isl |
"Neighbor's phone is xxx" |
| 16:26 |
jeff |
we used to have some great email values. |
| 16:26 |
Dyrcona |
"Number in the box is...." <= That's my "favorite." |
| 16:27 |
rjackson_isl |
rjackson_isl is leaving with a smile today of memories gone by! |
| 16:27 |
Dyrcona |
Apparently, the phone number was below the ID field the way we had the Horizon patron screen laid out. |
| 16:30 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 16:52 |
Dyrcona |
git++ |
| 16:53 |
jeff |
[violent agreement] |
| 16:53 |
jeff |
git++ |
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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
| 17:07 |
jeff |
regarding that test failure: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=105330 |
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jeff |
https://github.com/redhotpenguin/perl-Archive-Zip/commit/9959caa2a2e27d64097420e2eab5f46ddf47726b |
| 17:10 |
jeff |
amusingly, just moments ago. |
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kmlussier |
@dessert |
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* pinesol_green |
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