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csharp |
anyone using Windows 10 in production? Now that MS is offering the upgrade to all Windows 7 users, our libraries are wondering if it's safe to do. |
| 08:07 |
csharp |
I haven't tested anything myself, but I understand that nothing obvious is broken - I'm just concerned about how it will do under load (e.g., checking out 50 patrons in an hour) - we have enough problems with RAM usage on Windows 7 for me to want to introduce another factor in troubleshooting :-/ |
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Stompro_home |
bshum++ for your commit fest last night. |
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jboyer-isl |
csharp: If anyone is using Win 10 in production before July 29th they're (my kind of) crazy. :) |
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jboyer-isl |
I've toyed with the client on a Win 10 VM, but like you say that just means nothing is obviously broken, not that there won't be issues under load. |
| 08:57 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl: yeah, I figure that's the answer - I just don't want our libraries to be screwed in the middle of summer because they were excited about something new and FREE!! |
| 08:59 |
jboyer-isl |
Fear will keep the regional systems on Windows 7. Fear of this full screen modern app Upgrade. |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl++ |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy an Evergreen workstation is insignificant next to the power of Open Source. |
| 09:10 |
csharp |
hmm - dunno why that came out bold :-) |
| 09:12 |
mrpeters |
i gotat tell you -- i hated windows 8 but i was sort of forced on to it about 2 months ago and now i get it, and like it |
| 09:12 |
mrpeters |
and 10 seems to be even better so far |
| 09:12 |
mrpeters |
we usually get a good windows, sucky windows, good windows, sucky windows haha |
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mrpeters |
95 - meh, 98 - great, ME - garbage, XP - great, Vista - garbage, Win 7 - still probably the best |
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collum |
mrpeters: I bought a small tablet about 6 months ago and installed it on a desktop because I needed to learn it. People were asking questions about it. I grudgingly admit that I like it, too. |
| 09:17 |
Bmagic |
Win8>Win7 #8/8.1 is clearly faster on the same hardware. They "lightened" the load |
| 09:17 |
csharp |
well, from everything I'm reading, Windows 10 "fixes" what wasn't working/popular with Windows 8, but my concern is that the libraries here effectively *skipped* Windows 8, so Windows 10 will be a huge change |
| 09:18 |
csharp |
(and that concern has nothing to do with whether EG runs well on it) |
| 09:19 |
mrpeters |
Bmagic: I agree, now that I am using regularly |
| 09:19 |
collum |
Yep. Other than laptops which we have purchased the past couple of years, we are effectively skipping it, as well. |
| 09:19 |
RoganH |
Our desktop guy here says that he thinks 10 will be easier to move to from 7 than 8 was. |
| 09:20 |
Bmagic |
Everyone was crying about the start menu, MS responded with Windows 10 |
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csharp |
RoganH: good to hear |
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mrpeters |
once you figure out the new start menu, its actually cool |
| 09:20 |
mrpeters |
its a lot like ubuntu, really |
| 09:20 |
mrpeters |
just start typing what you want and it comes up |
| 09:20 |
Bmagic |
typing what you want started with Vista |
| 09:20 |
RoganH |
I should disclaim that I have no personal opinion though it occurs to me that I might want to update my windows testing VM to 10 or build another one for it. |
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jeff |
csharp: on the subject of users editing themselves... if they can't change home_ou or profile, would you still want them prevented from self-editing? |
| 09:34 |
csharp |
jeff: let me think on that for a few minutes... |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
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jeff |
good morning, kmlussier! |
| 09:38 |
montgoc1 |
morning |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
montgoc1: welcome! morning! |
| 09:44 |
kmlussier |
jeff: I saw that you were talking about bug 1013786 last night. Is that because you're planning to work on it? :) |
| 09:44 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1013786 in Evergreen "tpac: Check for password strength at login" (affected: 7, heat: 36) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013786 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 09:44 |
* kmlussier |
really misses that functionality |
| 09:45 |
jeff |
kmlussier: yup. started porting changes over from here: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=evergreen/tadl.git;a=commit;h=98978424c36d4d01d4a3e30f1163f5738e4dac3e |
| 09:45 |
kmlussier |
Yay! jeff++ |
| 09:46 |
csharp |
jeff: just ran your question by Terran, too... Our main concern is 1) not being able to edit their own permission profile 2) not being able to edit their home library (since that's how many perms are scoped) and 3) not being able to edit their own individual permissions |
| 09:46 |
csharp |
s/concern is/concerns are/ |
| 09:46 |
jeff |
ideally there would be a way to force a password change, and ideally the user would not be required to enter the password that they just entered in, but i think we'll start with "when your password wouldn't meet the minimum requirements if it were set today, direct the user to the page where they can change their password, with a helpful note." |
| 09:46 |
jeff |
and we'll worry about the other bits later. |
| 09:47 |
jeff |
csharp: cool. so, if the three things you listed were addressed, you'd have no desire for something like an org unit setting that prevented all self-edits? |
| 09:48 |
csharp |
jeff: correct |
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jeff |
\o/ |
| 09:48 |
csharp |
:-) |
| 09:49 |
csharp |
honestly, since it has always been either/or here, I had never considered a more nuanced approach |
| 09:51 |
jeff |
csharp: and just to be clear, you'd be okay with users self-updating their expiration date? that's a common use case in environments where staff members' evergreen "patron" account is also their "staff" account. |
| 09:52 |
csharp |
that's the only thing we hesitated about... |
| 09:53 |
csharp |
but we landed on the idea that it's up the the local system administrators to manage that issue when staff members exit |
| 09:53 |
csharp |
we don't really care if staff members set their card expire dates way in the future, but we obviously care when they become patrons later |
| 09:55 |
jeff |
then there's a distinct-but-related issue with regard to users editing peers. i have to refresh my memory on what the current logic there is. "$STAFFMEMBER can't check out books because they are expired and i can't renew their account" is an annoying situation/ticket, but the best answer there might be to simply move away from staff accounts being used for patron things (and vice versa) |
| 09:56 |
jeff |
or reproting on soon-to-expire staff accounts and renewing them. |
| 09:56 |
jeff |
reporting, even. |
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csharp |
yeah - reports are my proposed solution to a lot of staff issues like that |
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Dyrcona |
Whee! Editing MARC by hand.... |
| 10:03 |
Dyrcona |
At least it is MARCXML. |
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* jeff |
puts the hex editor away |
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* jeff |
hides his disappointment on the shelf behind the hex editor |
| 10:06 |
montgoc1 |
jeff: as much as I like things to be streamlined, we have separate accounts for staff. One for work and one for play. |
| 10:08 |
jeff |
We've been encouraging that more here as well. |
| 10:09 |
jeff |
And for anyone starting out, I strongly encourage it. |
| 10:11 |
jboyer-isl |
I'm a big fan of 1 account per person. (When it comes to messing with your own account, how tempting is it to "take care of" issues with your own patron account? ;) ) |
| 10:12 |
jboyer-isl |
Though if it were to become discouraged going forward it would be nice to strip out all of the convenience features that imply it's a good idea (place hold on my account / another barcode, things like that) |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
depending on the environment, staff placing holds on their staff account is used for internal purposes and that convenience is desired. |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
though i'd support more workflow-oriented methods for that kind of thing. "cataloging recall", whatever. some of the underlying support is probably there. |
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montgoc1 |
Jeff: I agree. We use that feature often for internal use and convenience. |
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jeff |
but so as not to over-count internal operations for statistics purposes, we tend to want to exclude those actions based on user profile. we have accounts with a special profile that are excluded, but those are not accounts which are used within the staff client, so... |
| 10:15 |
kmlussier |
Final bug squashing numbers are here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1y0wCUuQju6YpeSKVn1t8QaL6SSvK900ixuPBXSPMF0U/edit?usp=sharing |
| 10:16 |
jeff |
once we get to a position where someone in a profile (for example) of Circ1 is a staff user and doesn't check out items as a "patron" on that account, we could exclude that profile from stats (except PAST stats, of course... :P) |
| 10:16 |
jeff |
but in the meantime, since a Circ1 user might be a "staff only" or a "mixed staff and staff member patron use", we have that OTHER profile for the "this is the account i place lots of holds from for internal purposes" profile. |
| 10:18 |
kmlussier |
Starting with Stompro_home's signoff on patron self-registration and ending with mmorgan 's new bug reported at 11:51 p.m. Eastern. |
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yboston |
bugsquashingday++ |
| 10:40 |
* kmlussier |
waves to yboston |
| 10:40 |
kmlussier |
yboston: Haven't seen you around for a while! |
| 10:40 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I was out of the office until today |
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RoganH |
ybsoton: vacation I hope |
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yboston |
kmlussier: that is why I was not alble to help with bug squashing |
| 10:41 |
yboston |
RoganH: yes :) |
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kmlussier |
yboston: There will be plenty more bug squashing days to help with. |
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Dyrcona |
Heh. |
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Dyrcona |
If you're web cam isn't working, try turning it on. :) |
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Dyrcona |
Wrong your.... |
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Dyrcona |
I can spell, honestly. |
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remingtron |
yboston: kmlussier: I just discovered that Sitka's docs are awesome, did you know that? |
| 11:30 |
kmlussier |
yup |
| 11:31 |
remingtron |
we should steal most of their stuff |
| 11:32 |
kmlussier |
I think we may have some of their stuff. :) |
| 11:34 |
yboston |
remingtron: I have had conversations witht hem to try to move stuff over. My usual contact did not make it ot the last conferece and we did not get a chacne to continue our pllanning |
| 11:36 |
remingtron |
yboston: did they sound interested in contributing to the main docs as they make improvements, etc.? |
| 11:36 |
yboston |
remingtron: yes, they were very interested |
| 11:36 |
kmlussier |
remingtron: I think one of the things that complicates carrying over local documentation is that there may be some local policy decisions that are reflected in the documentation. |
| 11:37 |
kmlussier |
Not that the documentation isn't helpful, but that a bit of time needs to be taken to generalize it for the community docs. |
| 11:37 |
remingtron |
kmlussier: I think DIG's time would be better spent generalizing Sitka's awesome docs |
| 11:38 |
kmlussier |
Yes, I agree it is a good use of time. |
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bshum |
Funny enough I literally just used Sitka docs to prove an in-transit behavior to one of our libs. |
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remingtron |
if they publish their stuff to a git repo, we could probably take it from there |
| 11:41 |
remingtron |
anyway, I think we should at least talk about it at our DIG meeting this Friday |
| 11:41 |
yboston |
OK |
| 11:41 |
remingtron |
so that everyone is aware that they can start any task by checking what Sitka has :) |
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kmlussier |
yboston: Is one of the reasons it's taking time to move over due to it not being in asciidoc? |
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kmlussier |
I know they were still using docbook the last time I talked to them, but I don't know if that has changed. |
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yboston |
kmlussier: I see |
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remingtron |
kmlussier: if that's still true, I guess we'd just be borrowing content rather than the underlying files |
| 11:46 |
remingtron |
but still a major benefit |
| 11:46 |
remingtron |
sitka++ #awesome docs |
| 11:50 |
kmlussier |
I don't know if it is true. It was more of a question of what had come up in yboston's previous conversations. :) |
| 11:50 |
jeffdavis |
remingtron: http://git.sitka.bclibraries.ca/gitweb/?p=sitka/doc/manual.git;a=summary |
| 11:51 |
jeffdavis |
There has been some asciidoc vs docbook discussion locally but I'm not sure where things have been left there. |
| 11:53 |
mrpeters |
hey jeffdavis -- just the guy i was looking for :P does your overdrive-eg-opac contrib branch work with 2.8.0? |
| 11:55 |
jeffdavis |
mrpeters: it works with Sitka's somewhat-customized 2.8. I haven't tested with stock 2.8 yet (focused on preparing for our upgrade). |
| 11:57 |
mrpeters |
no worries, jeffdavis thanks! |
| 11:57 |
mrpeters |
did you just merge the contrib branch with your 2.8 custom branch? |
| 11:58 |
jeffdavis |
Hang on a sec, I need to dig up a commit |
| 11:58 |
mrpeters |
np |
| 11:59 |
mrpeters |
i was thinking maybe i'd just cherry pick it one by one into rel_2_8 and install |
| 12:00 |
jeffdavis |
We keep the overdrive-eg-opac code separate from Evergreen proper, with a couple of small tweaks to make the OPAC overdrive-eg-opac aware |
| 12:00 |
mrpeters |
what would be the easisest method for integrating it into an already running 2.8.0 test system to try it out? |
| 12:01 |
mrpeters |
if i were to clone your branch, can i just follow the readme -- or do i need it to be aware of the Evergreen codebase |
| 12:03 |
jeffdavis |
You should be able to just follow the readme. |
| 12:03 |
jeffdavis |
http://git.sitka.bclibraries.ca/gitweb/?p=sitka/evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8d5d13 |
| 12:03 |
mrpeters |
awesome -- i wasn't sure if this was "on top of" Evergreen or its own module -- but now i see that it is the latter, which is great |
| 12:03 |
jeffdavis |
^ We have that commit in our local EG to handle the actual integration. |
| 12:04 |
mrpeters |
awesome -- is there a commit or additional documentation that covers what API access you need for Overdrive, etc. |
| 12:04 |
mrpeters |
i assume you have to plug your API keys in somewhere |
| 12:05 |
jeffdavis |
Yeah, there's a config file in the overdrive-eg-opac code. |
| 12:06 |
RoganH |
http://cube-drone.com/comics/c/diplomatic-appraisal |
| 12:07 |
mrpeters |
od_config_template.coffee? |
| 12:07 |
jeffdavis |
yep |
| 12:07 |
mrpeters |
awesome! thanks jeff |
| 12:07 |
mrpeters |
jeffdavis++ |
| 12:07 |
jeffdavis |
schan++ # he wrote most of the code, I just finished it off and got it in production |
| 12:08 |
yboston |
RoganH: I saw that quote posted on PHP thread on reddit, wished they had given attribution. It was a good thread |
| 12:08 |
jeffdavis |
mrpeters: there's a bug tracker at https://launchpad.net/overdrive-eg-opac, feel free to report any issues there |
| 12:08 |
RoganH |
yboston: I think the spirit can be applied far and wide to projects. |
| 12:08 |
yboston |
Here is the thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/38oktg/ive_just_received_some_samples_of_a_codebase_to/ |
| 12:09 |
mrpeters |
great! THANKS JEFF |
| 12:09 |
yboston |
RoganH: I completely agree, I just wished they had given attribution to the Reddit user, assuming it was original. |
| 12:10 |
RoganH |
yboston: I don't know who it's original to. I just clicked on your link to the reddit thread. |
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RoganH |
yboston: which comment is it? Doing some quick text searches I'm not finding matches. |
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yboston |
RoganH: it is on the comment by "Terr_"; it should be the first comment. He/she broke it up into a 3 numbered points |
| 12:15 |
RoganH |
yboston: yep, clearly related and probably derivative. I don't frequent php forums so I wouldn't have known, thanks for the heads up. I may drop the cartoonist and note say that he should give attribution if that's where he got it. |
| 12:19 |
yboston |
RoganH: I would not be surpised that the reddit user borrowed it from somewhere else, but you never know |
| 12:19 |
RoganH |
yboston: for all I know the cartoonist and the reddit user could be the same person :) |
| 12:19 |
yboston |
RoganH: I like the comic version |
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yboston |
RoganH: that's very true |
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Dyrcona |
I'll be back after I switch the wired network. |
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Dyrcona |
Looks like wireless is starting to flake out on me. |
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yboston |
heads up, the Evergreen for Academics monthly meeting will be starting at 2 PM EST |
| 14:00 |
yboston |
#startmeeting Evergreen for academics monthly meeting. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jun 11 14:00:51 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_for_academics_monthly_meeting_' |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:2015-06-11 |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
| 14:01 |
krvmga |
#info krvmga => Jim Keenan, C/W MARS |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music |
| 14:01 |
Christineb |
#info Christineb is Christine Burns - BC Libraries Coop / Sitka |
| 14:02 |
krvmga |
hi, christine! |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
I will wait another minute or so before starting |
| 14:02 |
Christineb |
Hi :) |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
we can start now, though too bad a few folks could not make it |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
thankfully two poeple gave me a heads up |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
Christineb: quick questions, how many academics are there in your system? |
| 14:05 |
Christineb |
5 |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
cool |
| 14:05 |
krvmga |
CWMARS has 9 in all. |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
normally, I ask for members to provide updates, if folks have any |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
not sure if we should do it by email instead? |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
suggestions? |
| 14:06 |
krvmga |
an update i received from the academic session at the MassLNC conference last week was about the perceived need for improvements in Syrup. |
| 14:06 |
krvmga |
course reserves |
| 14:07 |
krvmga |
christineb: are you using syrup? |
| 14:07 |
Christineb |
no, none of our libraries are using Syrup |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
do they use a different course reserves product? |
| 14:08 |
Christineb |
one of our libraries is using the "bookbag" extension |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
ah, interesting |
| 14:08 |
Christineb |
I don't think it has an official name |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
for ther ecord, Syrup and the "bookbag" extension are seperate? |
| 14:09 |
Christineb |
Yes, the bookbag thing is very simple |
| 14:09 |
Christineb |
Syrup has additional features |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:10 |
krvmga |
also, for the record, i don't think syrup is an official part of evergreen, is it? |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
I wonder this grpoup shoul help keep a central location with information on EG reserves for both syrup and the bookbag extension |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
not sure where to go to fidn info on either |
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| 14:11 |
yboston |
for ther ecord, at Berklee we created our own PHP/MySQL solution that woek with our previous ILS. Then we tweaked it to work with EG |
| 14:11 |
krvmga |
yboston: that's interesting to me. |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
krvmga: I don't think it is part of EG |
| 14:12 |
krvmga |
yboston: yes, i thought it was an add on |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
krvmga: to your academics use syrup? |
| 14:12 |
krvmga |
a number of them do |
| 14:12 |
krvmga |
about two thirds |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
interesting |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
I found a link for the Syrup git repository |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Syrup.git;a=summary |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
I'll add a link to it on the EG for academics wiki page |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
done |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
Christineb: do you have any links available for the bookbag thing? |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
I would like to add it to the page too. Eventually we might want to have a wiki sub-page dedicated to reserve issues |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
Christineb: also, did you have any topics that you wanted to bring up today? |
| 14:17 |
Christineb |
yboston: I will find some info for bookbag thing, I do not have any topics to bring up today |
| 14:17 |
Christineb |
yboston: I just wanted to join to try and get more involved |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
Christineb: thanks |
| 14:18 |
krvmga |
Christineb: thanks :) |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
krvmga and I re cocnerend that people are scared away by IRC |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
we might try doing furutre meetings thorugh conference calls |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
*future |
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krvmga |
what do you think? |
| 14:20 |
Christineb |
I am open to either IRC or conference calls |
| 14:22 |
krvmga |
yboston: is there any update from the eg conference? |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
sorry, soemone walked in my office |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
I gave a lightning talk at the conference to promote this group |
| 14:23 |
krvmga |
did you get any feedback? |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
I got a little bit of feedback |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
Christineb: is this how you found out about us? |
| 14:25 |
Christineb |
yboston: Jennifer and I had attended the first few EG for academics meetings, we participated in the original survey and stuff, but then I sort of lost track of the group. Your presentation reminded me |
| 14:25 |
krvmga |
Christineb: which jennifer is that? |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
thanks for the feedback |
| 14:26 |
Christineb |
Pringle |
| 14:26 |
krvmga |
Christineb: :) |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
She is great, I missed her at the conference |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
Christineb: thaks for the info |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
BTW, I was thinking if we (Jim and I) wanted to contact every attendee at the Eg conferece that has an Edu email address to tell them about this group |
| 14:27 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Docs LP#1371646: Add better screenshots - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0fe3c73> |
| 14:27 |
krvmga |
yboston: do you have access to an email list? |
| 14:27 |
dbs |
Jumping in on reserves, we (Laurentian) are relaunching the simplistic bookbag-based thing using Python+PostgreSQL, will be accessible and properly translatable, etc |
| 14:27 |
Christineb |
yboston: that sounds like a good recruitment strategy |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
there was an email list of participants, I have a copy someowhere |
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| 14:28 |
krvmga |
i was sorry i couldn't make it to the conference this time. |
| 14:28 |
Christineb |
dbs: will we need to make any changes for our library that is using the current bookbag based thing? |
| 14:28 |
* dbs |
is at a provincial library association board meeting right now |
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| 14:28 |
dbs |
Christineb: no, the PHP-based one will keep on running just fine :) |
| 14:29 |
Christineb |
krvmga: I also have a copy of the email list if yboston cannot find it |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
sorry, finger slipped and I disconnected myself |
| 14:29 |
Christineb |
dbs: awesome, Thank you |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
dbs: thanks for the info. do you happen to have a link handy for the current version for the academics wiki page? |
| 14:30 |
dbs |
yboston: hasn't been merged yet, will be in a week or so and I'll update it |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
dbs: thanks |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
we are the past the 30 minute mark. |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
we can start talking about action items for next meeting? |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
or we can keep talking like we were |
| 14:33 |
krvmga |
it looks like the action items and old business from the agenda are cleared up. |
| 14:34 |
krvmga |
who is D0nB |
| 14:34 |
krvmga |
? |
| 14:34 |
krvmga |
after subfield indexing... |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
Don Butterworth, Ashbury seminary? |
| 14:35 |
krvmga |
makes sense |
| 14:35 |
csharp |
Asbury |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
I think we are some lingering issues from preivous meetings. |
| 14:35 |
krvmga |
the NOBLE consortium has made some changes to syrup that i hope to learn more about. |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
One thing I did address was create the wiki page for storing academic minded customizations |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:academic_customizations |
| 14:36 |
krvmga |
under old business "Need to find another group leader..." do we still need to do that? |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
no, that one is all set |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
terran: Funny enough, "space" can sometimes be encoded ligitimately on a barcode. |
| 14:37 |
krvmga |
and the EG conference one... |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
terran: We had a library once where the last "digit" was a space |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
Oh sorry guys, missed the meeting :( |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
bshum: no woorries |
| 14:37 |
krvmga |
bshum: we have problems with that here in cwmars. |
| 14:37 |
krvmga |
barcode spaces, not meetings :) |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
unless we want to cover anything else, Iw ould like to assign soem talks for me and krvmga to share. |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
Christineb if you have the interest / time I can include you too |
| 14:39 |
krvmga |
yboston: i think that is fine |
| 14:39 |
Christineb |
Yes |
| 14:40 |
Christineb |
yboston: Yes please include me too |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
I would consider writing to the general list to get feedback on two things: 1) should we consider a new day/time for these meetings 2) should we try the next meeting on a conference call? |
| 14:40 |
krvmga |
yboston: i think that is a good idea. |
| 14:40 |
krvmga |
we will volunteer cwmars conference line if need be |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
another action I tem Iw ould consider is to mine the EG conference attendance list for EDU email addresses to alert them abotu this group |
| 14:40 |
yboston |
krvmga: that is great |
| 14:41 |
Christineb |
yboston: good idea |
| 14:41 |
krvmga |
yboston: also a good idea, i think |
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yboston |
so Christineb do you want to partner upw ith me to compile the edu addresses from the conference and send out an email? |
| 14:42 |
Christineb |
yboston: I can search the list and put together the list of edu addresses |
| 14:43 |
yboston |
OK, I can draft the letter that we can send out |
| 14:43 |
Christineb |
yboston: yes |
| 14:43 |
Christineb |
Ok awesome :) |
| 14:43 |
yboston |
#action yboston and Christineb will work on creating and sending a letter to EDU email addresses from conference to promote the EG acedmics group |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
krvmga can you work on a letter to ask the general list about meeting day/time and/or if we want to have the next meeting on a cofnernece call? |
| 14:44 |
krvmga |
yboston: yes, i can do that. would you like to see it before i send it? |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
sure |
| 14:45 |
krvmga |
ok |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
#action krvmga wil prepare letter to general list about choosing a different meeting day/time and/or if we want to have the next meeting on a conference call? |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
also, Christineb if you can, I would like any info/URLs on the bookbag feature for the wiki page |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
thnaks |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
any other ideas or questions? |
| 14:47 |
krvmga |
atm i have none. |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:48 |
Christineb |
yboston: I will find info about bookbags thing |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
thanks |
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yboston |
#action Christineb will look for some infor/URL for "bookbag" extension reserve feature |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
OK then, I will rap up the minutes and update the wiki with the minutes link |
| 14:49 |
krvmga |
yboston++ |
| 14:49 |
Christineb |
Thank you :D |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
also, if we stick to the current schedule |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
the next academics meeting will be on Thursday, June 9th |
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yboston |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jun 11 14:50:35 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:50 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-11-14.00.html |
| 14:50 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-11-14.00.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-06-11-14.00.log.html |
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Bmagic |
Hi Christineb |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: dbs has a good blog post on the bookbag thing. |
| 14:53 |
Christineb |
Bmagic: Hi :) |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
Wow, that's an old post. Have I really been in the community for that long? |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
Christineb: https://coffeecode.net/archives/250-Current-state-of-academic-reserves-support-for-Evergreen.html |
| 14:54 |
Bmagic |
So, I'm pretty sure that I need to edit Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/client/chrome/content/main/constants.js or Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/build/chrome/content/main/constants.js but they are gitignored! |
| 14:54 |
Christineb |
kmlussier: Thank you, Is it on the coffee code blog?? https://coffeecode.net/ |
| 14:54 |
Christineb |
kmlussier: Thank you :) |
| 14:56 |
jeff |
Bmagic: i think you want ./Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/chrome/content/main/constants.js in the git repo |
| 14:56 |
Bmagic |
jeff: I think that it's gitignored as well |
| 14:57 |
jeff |
Bmagic: it is not. |
| 14:57 |
Bmagic |
jeff: oh sweet, let me try it |
| 14:58 |
berick |
git check-ignore is handy |
| 14:59 |
jeff |
Bmagic: the Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/client/ and Open-ILS/xul/staff_client/build/ directories are in the repo's .gitignore file because they are generated at build time. |
| 14:59 |
Bmagic |
jeff: I figured as much, however I was struggling to find a copy of that file that wasn't ignored, I guess I missed this one |
| 15:53 |
Bmagic |
This is interesting. Anyone have rows return from this query? select target_copy,count(*) from action.transit_copy where dest_recv_time is null group by target_copy having count(*) > 1 |
| 15:53 |
Bmagic |
Double transits |
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bshum |
Bmagic: Two rows for us |
| 15:55 |
bshum |
I imagine that could happen if some weird scan happened? |
| 15:55 |
mmorgan |
8 for us |
| 15:55 |
bshum |
Or maybe some other unresolved oddity |
| 15:55 |
Bmagic |
We had a case where the same item was in transit to two different branches! My theory is while it's in transit, someone puts a hold on it, it arrives at its destination and gets captured for the hold. The capture code doesn't finish the original transit |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
So, the original transit is when a system changes ownership of an item from branch to branch |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
and the second transit is for a hold |
| 16:00 |
tsbere |
Async checkin - Gets captures for multiple holds, goes two directions at once! |
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tsbere |
Bmagic: Try "from action.hold_transit_copy" or "from only action.transit_copy" - The latter will show "return to library" transits, the former hold transits. |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
tsbere: 0 rows from hold_ |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
tsbere: Which is why my theory involved the first transit non-hold related |
| 16:03 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Could still be async checkin. "Go to this hold and home at the same time". Or, perhaps, "go home. twice" if the source/dest are identical on the dupe transits. |
| 16:04 |
Bmagic |
tsbere: async checkin - on two workstations? Or a repeated scan somehow? |
| 16:05 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: Double-scanned on one workstation with async checkin turned on - Both get sent to the server, both do their thing... |
| 16:05 |
kmlussier |
This - bug 902255 |
| 16:05 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 902255 in Evergreen "possible to double-scan an item during check-in and have it captured by two holds" (affected: 10, heat: 54) [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902255 |
| 16:06 |
Bmagic |
I wasn't aware of that setting on the UI, That is definiatly it |
| 16:06 |
kmlussier |
I replicated it yesterday without async checkin. I hope to get that code tested again today or tomorrow. |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
Oh wow, the code was just submitted on Monday |
| 16:09 |
bshum |
It's an oldie |
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yboston |
phasefx: are you around? |
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yboston |
phasefx: I have a question about docs evergreen-ils.org |
| 16:15 |
phasefx |
yboston: I'm here |
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yboston |
phasefx: I sent a test email to that address earlier, did you geta copy? |
| 16:16 |
phasefx |
yboston: I did |
| 16:16 |
yboston |
phasefx: OK, just checking. |
| 16:17 |
yboston |
phasefx: a community member had a bounce back and I did not get copies on my work account, but I got a copy on my personla account |
| 16:17 |
yboston |
phasefx: just making sure |
| 16:17 |
phasefx |
fwiw, prior to your test, the last one I saw was back in February |
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pinesol_green |
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gsams |
I can't seem to get simple2zoom to listen on port 210 no matter how sudo I try. |
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gsams |
I ran the statement 'simple2zoom -c /openils/conf/oils_z3950.xml -- -f /openils/conf/oils_yaz.xml localhost:2210 catalog.northtexaslibraries.org:210 &' |
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gsams |
It starts the localhost no problem, and then says it's starting the catalog.north... and stays there |
| 18:44 |
gsams |
searched for listening ports, 210 isn't there |
| 18:44 |
gsams |
but 2210 is where its supposed to be. |
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eeevil |
gsams: to get the simple things out of the way, you're starting it as root, right? |
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gsams |
eeevil: yes I am! |
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eeevil |
gsams: ah, ok, good. have you tried using the IP instead of the name? |
| 19:37 |
gsams |
I have not done that |
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gsams |
no dice |
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eeevil |
and if you run it without the localhost one? |
| 19:42 |
gsams |
it does appear to be running now |
| 19:43 |
gsams |
if I run it as either the website or the ip it does appear |
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gsams |
and I can connect |
| 19:43 |
eeevil |
cool |
| 19:44 |
gsams |
so why wouldn't they both be able to run? |
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gsams |
am I missing something there? |
| 19:44 |
eeevil |
you can run it separately a second time if you need the localhost one. |
| 19:44 |
eeevil |
not sure ... yaz can be a tricky beast :) |
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gsams |
eeevil++ #that worked, I'll make a note! |
| 19:45 |
gsams |
many thanks! |
| 19:46 |
eeevil |
np |
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