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Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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yawns |
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csharp |
dbs: awesome - I'll check that out. That's timely since I've been testing on an exported MARCXML file and was wondering how to move it into a DB function ;-) |
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csharp |
oh, and now that I've got my head around the basics of MARC::Record, I can read your code and know what it's doing! hooray! |
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csharp |
@loves |
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pinesol_green |
csharp loves supybot plugins; virtualization; lasagna; logs; clarity; all y'all; upgrades; tpac; git; this venue; google; not being evil; when evergreen problems turn out to be staff error; the Jedi; pgadmin; policy; lynx; autoupdate; coffee; db02; kvm; CWMARS; mobile catalog; and vim |
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csharp |
hmm http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/evergreen-ils.org |
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kmlussier |
I guess that explains why it isn't loading for me. :) |
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* csharp |
restarted apache |
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csharp |
lots of evidence of intrusion attempts in the logs |
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csharp |
it's a nasty world out there :-/ |
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jeff |
csharp: did http://localhost:81/server-status/ show lots of long-running requests? |
| 09:12 |
mrpeters |
so, what would cause Clark Kent emails to have no sender/reply to address? |
| 09:12 |
mrpeters |
running as opensrf user, which can relay mail through postfix on the Evergreen server |
| 09:13 |
bshum |
mrpeters: Is it configured in the opensrf.xml? |
| 09:13 |
bshum |
For the reporter |
| 09:13 |
mrpeters |
that was the first place i looked...i didnt see a stanza for the sender email...im wondering if it is missing? |
| 09:13 |
mrpeters |
what is the name of that block in the XML? |
| 09:14 |
bshum |
Uh, there definitely should be a sender email for the reporter |
| 09:14 |
bshum |
Well, not just the reporter |
| 09:15 |
mrpeters |
that may be the problem... |
| 09:15 |
mrpeters |
the whole <mail_notify> block is commented out for some reason |
| 09:15 |
bshum |
I think it's just the <email_notify> block |
| 09:15 |
mrpeters |
err yeah s/mail_notify/email_notify |
| 09:16 |
bshum |
Messy server config, indeed. |
| 09:27 |
csharp |
jeff: how would I access that? from lynx or somesuch on lupin? |
| 09:29 |
csharp |
eww - we need to update lupin to wheezy |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: First, server-status has to be configured. |
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jeff |
lynx or ssh port forwarding, yes. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: it is. :-) |
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csharp |
ah - okay |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: at the url I provided :-) |
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csharp |
cool - I've never used that |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: OK. I thought it would be, but I almost never enable it, myself, so.... |
| 09:30 |
* csharp |
is using lynx on the server itself |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
lynx++ |
| 09:30 |
csharp |
man I love lynx |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
LWP::UserAgent++ |
| 09:30 |
bshum |
Yeah poor lupin |
| 09:30 |
csharp |
@love lynx |
| 09:30 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: But csharp already loves lynx! |
| 09:30 |
jboyer-isl |
links++ |
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* csharp |
prefers lynx to links |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
lynx++ links++ elinks++ w3m++ etc |
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Dyrcona |
Cello++ # ha! |
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jboyer-isl |
I forget now what the main difference was that pushed me to links. Maybe frame support because I party like it's 1995. |
| 09:32 |
csharp |
bshum: gmcharlt: jeff: we should just schedule a date and pull the trigger |
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Dyrcona |
wget++ # see a pattern here? |
| 09:32 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 09:32 |
jeff |
curl | perl -MHTML::Parser::Simple -e mumble-mumble... |
| 09:33 |
csharp |
alternatively we could build a wheezy VM and migrate |
| 09:33 |
jeff |
that's my preference. |
| 09:33 |
csharp |
probably less breakage |
| 09:33 |
bshum |
csharp: Since I want to move the bots and logs to their own space someday |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
i'd like to coordinate with web team and get ssl certs in place and do some enforced password rotation on at least the wordpress bits and admin-level wiki accounts also. |
| 09:34 |
bshum |
I might prefer migration too |
| 09:34 |
csharp |
bots should go on list/eg-community |
| 09:34 |
csharp |
(already running wheezy) |
| 09:34 |
bshum |
Hmmmmm |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
also, i'd like to discuss placing a front-end web proxy in front of things, which would help make things like "this actually lives on this other small VM" possible. |
| 09:35 |
jeff |
i'm not yet convinced that would be worth the effort, but would like to discuss it. |
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| 09:36 |
bshum |
jeff: +1 |
| 09:36 |
bshum |
In our abundant spare time, of course. ;) |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
but probably not this morning. this morning i get to re-design the ingest process for our EnvisionWare PC Reservation stats (stored in MS Access MDB files) |
| 09:39 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff: There's something I don't miss. Does the db still live somewhere under %APPDATA%/VirtualStore or similar? |
| 09:39 |
jboyer-isl |
Love those apps that assume everyone's an admin... |
| 09:39 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: Party like its Windows95? |
| 09:39 |
Dyrcona |
;) |
| 09:39 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: as of a few years ago, some of their apps still get stuck with that, yes. i have not verified with their current versions. |
| 09:40 |
jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona, Well, I do still have some Weezer albums. |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: we rely on the management console to do its nightly restart + compact + backup the database, then we grab the backed up copy of the database. |
| 09:40 |
csharp |
party on! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CRWAz09r8 |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: of course, at least one of the management consoles in question does not reliably perform its nightly restart... |
| 09:41 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: but this morning's work is being undertaken because things were designed around the assumption that there would only ever be one management console, and we've swelled to three (soon to go down to two) |
| 09:41 |
jeff |
jboyer-isl: keeping stats and the dashboard updated has been a challenge lately. |
| 09:42 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff, How did multiple consoles become necessary? I thought you'd just use 1 main console and then other interfaces would talk to it as needed. (At least, I thought that was an option, not that we used it.) |
| 09:43 |
jboyer-isl |
Or were there networking considerations that made that necessary? |
| 09:43 |
jeff |
we grew to two when we partnered with the neighboring county library -- that system is maintained by us, housed at their location, and the stats are distinct from ours. |
| 09:44 |
jeff |
we also have two here at present because of client+server upgrade requirements... something about not being able to reliably run older clients on a newer server, etc. |
| 09:44 |
jboyer-isl |
Ah, I see. I thought you meant that just your installation needed multiple consoles. |
| 09:44 |
jeff |
so as we've been refreshing public computing workstations over the past few months, we've been transitioning them over to the newer version. |
| 09:45 |
jeff |
in theory they may have also changed their licensing model. i'm not certain. |
| 09:45 |
jboyer-isl |
Oh, is it finally all moved over to the web service, or does a "full" management system need the service and the desktop app running? |
| 09:46 |
jeff |
i think their software likes it "best" when you have a management console per physical location, and pay for the "central" module on top of that. when we initially deployed, they sold us one management console and just let us know (some) of the limitations beforehand. |
| 09:47 |
jeff |
no, to the best of my knowledge there is still a requirement that you be running the management console as a windows application on a desktop session somewhere. |
| 09:48 |
Stompro |
I'm looking to move from Envisionware to Cassie since PCRes doesn't support multipoint server, and I would like to move to all multipoint direct connect stations. I like envisionware, when it works correctly. Have any of you looked at Cassie? |
| 09:49 |
jboyer-isl |
Stompro, I know several of our members use it, but I've never seen it myself, I've only used PCRes. |
| 09:49 |
jeff |
i've heard of it and for some reason think that bshum or csharp might have at least one library that uses it. other than that, no. |
| 09:50 |
jeff |
we don't miss our old homegrown system much, but i still get the desire every now and then to do something different. |
| 09:50 |
jeff |
it's a toss up as to if we would spend time making something that did more, or just be rid of it and use something that only focuses on tracking stats. |
| 09:51 |
jeff |
in-library chromebooks have been rather popular here at this library. we often have 13 out at a time, and have reduced the number of computers in our lab (resulting in a bit more elbow room, etc) |
| 09:52 |
jeff |
for the chromebooks, we don't limit time, because there was no elegant way to do so. |
| 09:52 |
jeff |
i know that at least one company has been experimenting with a public workstation management product for chromeos devices. it seems like a bit of a workaround / shoehorn. |
| 09:54 |
jboyer-isl |
jeff, I don't know if it's possible, or possible to harder against removal, but you could try to build a Chrome extension that does what you need (either force logout after X time, or talk to a central server and ask what to do, etc.) |
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* jeff |
nods |
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* csharp |
is not familiar with Cassie |
| 09:58 |
csharp |
we have Chromeboxes and LibData has time and print management software developed for it |
| 09:58 |
csharp |
(with SIP2 account checking) |
| 09:59 |
csharp |
jeff: if you're interested in details about our libraries' setups with Chrome/LibData, I have a contact |
| 09:59 |
dbwells |
Do you know what's worse than driving to work in a snowstorm? Driving to work in a snowstorm and finding the campus closed when you get there. :( |
| 09:59 |
csharp |
dbwells: awwww |
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csharp |
that's awful |
| 09:59 |
csharp |
@dessert dbwells |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs some pineapple chocolate things from New Zealand for dbwells |
| 10:00 |
dbwells |
pineapple chocolate things from New Zealand?? :D Thanks! |
| 10:00 |
csharp |
just like grandma used to make! |
| 10:00 |
dbwells |
:) |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
csharp: i've been watching from afar, but sure, if you have a contact let me know either via msg or my work email. |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
dbwells: i've been tempted to make a "scrape the local school webpage, alert when no school" script for reasons similar to that :-) |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
dbwells: i'm surprised that campus doesn't have that kind of thing already, at least for staff and faculty. |
| 10:06 |
jeff |
dbwells: i've seen it sold as a secondary function of campus emergency alert products/services. :-) |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
dbwells: There's a really fun ad for those kicking around on youtube. |
| 10:07 |
jeff |
i wonder how many of those services charge by the alert, or if they try to avoid that so that people aren't making a "is this important enough to cost the school $X?" when making the decision to send an alert or not... |
| 10:09 |
dbwells |
jeff: We have an alert system, and I am sure an alert when out, but it is only for cell phones, and I don't have cell service. I checked the website before I left, which I figured would be good enough, but I guess they figured everyone got the alert (which was probably 98% true). |
| 10:09 |
dbwells |
Of course the website was updated by the time I got here :) |
| 10:10 |
jeff |
dbwells: aha! drat, then. :-) |
| 10:12 |
dbwells |
I also had an 8:30 meeting, and live outside of town, so I had to leave pretty early to make sure I made it on time. I am proud to say I was the only person on time ;) |
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* Dyrcona |
has meetings starting at 11:00 and basically lasting the rest of the day. |
| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
No snow storm, though. |
| 10:30 |
Dyrcona |
@weather 01845 |
| 10:30 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in WB1CHU, Lawrence, Massachusetts is 37.0°F (10:30 AM EST on November 18, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.6°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:30 |
tsbere |
Anyone have interest in something like this going into the codebase more directly? http://pastebin.com/64PTcB65 |
| 10:30 |
mrpeters |
@weather 46060 |
| 10:30 |
pinesol_green |
mrpeters: The current temperature in Downtown Noblesville, Noblesville, Indiana is 18.0°F (10:30 AM EST on November 18, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 3.2°F. Windchill: 10.4°F. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:30 |
mrpeters |
nasty |
| 10:31 |
tsbere |
(I suppose if it goes in directly we could just make it an actor.usr column) |
| 10:31 |
mrpeters |
13 on my thermometer |
| 10:31 |
mrpeters |
couple inches on the ground |
| 10:31 |
mrpeters |
way too soon for this |
| 10:31 |
Dyrcona |
mrpeters: You've just been spoiled by moderate climate change. :) |
| 10:32 |
kmlussier |
tsbere: What does it do? |
| 10:32 |
tsbere |
kmlussier: Keeps track of a patron's last circ month. So that you can tell what patrons are circulating stuff even with anonimization going. |
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jeff |
tsbere: without putting too much thought into it, i think i like that, yes. making it an actor.usr column doesn't strike me as needed. |
| 10:33 |
kmlussier |
Could be useful. |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
tsbere: initially i thought it might have a better home in actor.usr_activity, but on second thought i don't think it's a good fit there. |
| 10:35 |
tsbere |
jeff: I was avoiding "down to the second, or even day" type tracking for cases of "we now have enough info to de-anon your circs" |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
right. |
| 10:36 |
tsbere |
I figure "the last month they circulated was..." is good enough for "is the card active?" |
| 10:37 |
kmlussier |
I agree that last month is all that is needed. |
| 10:37 |
jeff |
i'd like to see/make a view that incorporated this and actor.usr_activity to give a "last [month with] activity of any kind" |
| 10:38 |
tsbere |
jeff: Beyond my current scope ;) Figuring that out may include other things anyway. Like "does this activity count as active?" determinations. |
| 10:43 |
* kmlussier |
wonders if evergreen-ils.org is down again. |
| 10:43 |
kmlussier |
nm - there it is |
| 10:43 |
mrpeters |
the pines chat server just went down too, may be some network issues |
| 10:43 |
mrpeters |
and now its back |
| 10:44 |
kmlussier |
Probably not a good day for me to be trying out some wordpress plug-ins there. :) |
| 10:45 |
Dyrcona |
There was chatter about upgrading the servers to jessie earlier. |
| 10:45 |
Dyrcona |
No, wheezy, not jessie. |
| 10:49 |
bshum |
Stompro: Yes, we have at least one library or more using Cassie |
| 10:50 |
bshum |
Nothing special about it though to my knowledge, other than giving them SIP2 access creds |
| 10:50 |
bshum |
I get the sense the other stuff is "better" though. Many more libs subscribe to Envisionware/Libdata |
| 10:51 |
Stompro |
bshum++ thanks. |
| 10:52 |
bshum |
Stompro: If you do need more intel, I can probably ask some of my coworkers who might have had more direct proximity to Cassie about it. |
| 10:53 |
Stompro |
bshum: If our eval goes well and we are going to proceed I'll send you an email to get that contact. |
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Dyrcona |
Stompro: We have at least 1, maybe 2, libraries that use/have used Cassie. |
| 11:02 |
Dyrcona |
PINES has a chat server? Is it for library staff? |
| 11:03 |
Dyrcona |
We tried that a few years ago. No one used it. |
| 11:04 |
bshum |
We use openfire for our libraries. |
| 11:04 |
bshum |
I think it's mainly used to tell people things are down with the ILS. |
| 11:04 |
bshum |
It doesn't help when the network is down, of course ;) |
| 11:04 |
* phasefx_ |
had IRC embedded in the staff client; there was strong resistance |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: That was the main purpose of our chat server when we ran it. |
| 11:05 |
Dyrcona |
phasefx_: Clever. Guess it would be easy to embed chatzilla. |
| 11:06 |
mrpeters |
Dyrcona: its for the PINES staff, yeah |
| 11:06 |
mrpeters |
for IM mostly |
| 11:06 |
mrpeters |
but not individual libraries |
| 11:07 |
phasefx_ |
Dyrcona: I did try the chatzilla route, but ended up using an irc web gateway just as a proof of concept |
| 11:07 |
Dyrcona |
phasefx_: Ah... feature for the new staff client. :) |
| 11:08 |
* phasefx_ |
had it auto-logging you into several channels based on how PINES does their shortnames.. so ARL-ATH would put you in #pines, #arl, and #arl-ath |
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csharp |
phasefx_: clever! I can see why it didn't fly though |
| 11:41 |
* csharp |
got a request several years ago that "THE DEVELOPERS" keep the staff client from being able to browse the web because their staff were using it to get around draconian browser lockdowns |
| 11:42 |
tsbere |
csharp: Well, it kindof does that now as it is due to some other work. <_< |
| 11:43 |
phasefx_ |
what's the log blocker these days? :) |
| 11:43 |
phasefx_ |
! test |
| 11:45 |
tsbere |
Looks like that may be it |
| 11:46 |
phasefx_ |
tsbere: gracias |
| 11:46 |
tsbere |
Nice that we can't actually check the logs to see what makes lines not show up in the logs, right? ;) |
| 11:47 |
* phasefx_ |
wanted librarians to be able to pass around barcodes etc. and have them be clickable |
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gsams |
Stompro: We use Cassie if you need an extra contact. |
| 11:48 |
gsams |
csharp: ha, guess it's been a while. Thanks for the info! |
| 11:50 |
csharp |
phasefx_: interesting ;-) |
| 11:51 |
csharp |
gsams: was that a @later? |
| 11:51 |
gsams |
yeah |
| 11:51 |
csharp |
oh, okay ;-) |
| 11:51 |
gsams |
from 1 week, 4 days, etc. ago |
| 11:52 |
gsams |
I don't log on nearly enough, been too busy trying to hire someone |
| 12:00 |
jeff |
anyone here (other than bshum, since we've already spoken) using Hoopla and Evergreen together? I'm doing some work that may make that easier, if you aren't already happy with your existing solution. |
| 12:02 |
tsbere |
jeff: Er, I think we have libraries using hoopla. Not the entire consortia, though. Our current integration level would be somewhere around "they check credentials via SIP2" though. |
| 12:02 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 12:03 |
jeff |
and that works for some folk. wasn't an option for us. |
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Stompro |
Is there supposed to be publicity/explaination of the 2.7.1a release and the others posted on the evergreen-ils.org site? |
| 13:01 |
bshum |
Stompro: Yeah, probably.... I thought gmcharlt was on it, but maybe he got distracted. |
| 13:01 |
gmcharlt |
ah, thanks for the reminder |
| 13:01 |
gmcharlt |
I'll put one up |
| 13:13 |
bshum |
gmcharlt++ |
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bshum |
Stompro++ # keeping us on track |
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bshum |
Bleh, I'm always nervous that we miss when people use Launchpad questions to ask Evergreen questions... |
| 15:13 |
kmlussier |
Is there a way to be alerted of those when they come in? |
| 15:15 |
kmlussier |
I just signed up to be an answer contact for Evergreen. :) |
| 15:15 |
bshum |
I subscribed myself as an "answer contact" but I didn't notice it in my spam till now. |
| 15:15 |
bshum |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:16 |
* csharp |
just did so as well |
| 15:16 |
kmlussier |
It probably might not be a bad thing for a few other people to sign up. |
| 15:16 |
kmlussier |
csharp++ |
| 15:16 |
csharp |
I didn't even realize that was there :-/ |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
csharp++ |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
Yeah, it's heavily underused |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
But questions get lost there |
| 15:16 |
csharp |
too many buckets |
| 15:17 |
kmlussier |
So how do we change the status of this one to answered?: https://answers.launchpad.net/evergreen/+question/246347 |
| 15:17 |
bshum |
When you report bugs in Launchpad, you can choose to make it a question, not a bug |
| 15:17 |
bshum |
And that's where these go |
| 15:17 |
kmlussier |
Because that's the only open questions we've got right now. |
| 15:18 |
bshum |
kmlussier: I can change the status, not sure if it's only drivers who can do that. |
| 15:18 |
* kmlussier |
is a driver. |
| 15:19 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 15:19 |
bshum |
Well I changed it. |
| 15:20 |
* kmlussier |
returns to finishing up action items. |
| 15:40 |
mrpeters |
ew that bug goes way back to even 2.3 |
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mrpeters |
i bet even older |
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mrpeters |
but, understandable since you have switched midway to the catalog search and none of that javascript is going to be found there |
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mrpeters |
maybe the best solution would be each "F#" key opens in a new window to prevent this? |
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mrpeters |
i think i could figure out how to make that happen with some digging |
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jeff |
hrm. apparently i can't use a psql variable with the psql \copy metacommand. |
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jeff |
oh. FROM pstdin might be helpful to me. |
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jeff |
ah, yay! |
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hbrennan |
Can someone remind me where it is I can change the wording that appears next to the icons in catalog searches? (Example: Serials and magazines) |
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hbrennan |
We upgraded from 2.5 to 2.6 and it changed |
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tsbere |
hbrennan: Some of that comes from config.coded_value_map, I believe. Whether or not there is an alternate label option or not, or for that matter if it obeys things like translations, may have come later. |
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* tsbere |
admits to not being good with what version things made it into |
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hbrennan |
tsbere: Thanks. I know I had to change the wording on some of these when we originally moved to EG |
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hbrennan |
"Serials and magazines" in particular is bothering me, since it seems redundant, and using library jargon |
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tsbere |
hbrennan: In particular, the item_type wordings may still be changed....but you may be on icon_format now, which would negate the item_type wording changes. |
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tsbere |
hbrennan: And if you don't have icon_format entries then ignore that last comment ;) |
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hbrennan |
tsbere: Okay. I can do that :) |
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hbrennan |
gosh I'm rusty, tsbere++ |
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tsbere |
hbrennan: If you missed the item_type->icon_format change in the pac it would make sense that you would be scratching your head on "wtf is going on?" |
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hbrennan |
We jumped from 2.5.2 to 2.6.4 so it's likely |
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