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08:51 * csharp targets bug 1202742 for 2.7.1 since that was supposed to have been included in "Longoverdue" to begin with ;-)
08:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1202742 in Evergreen "Support alert/print message for transiting, non-active copies " (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202742
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09:03 tsbere That kind of development for transiting copies doesn't help those of us with "you don't print slips for 99% of transits" setups much.
09:18 csharp tsbere: does it interfere with how your libraries do things?
09:19 tsbere csharp: Probably not. But still not that useful either. :P
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09:19 tsbere No slip to print the notice on to alert the destination to pay special attention or sort differently after all
09:19 csharp our libraries depend heavily on printed transit slips
09:20 tsbere Our delivery system currently does SIP2 checks for "where is this going?" for the majority of items, thus no slips.
09:20 RoganH csharp: I would assume all consortiums with heavy intra-system lending do.
09:20 csharp yeah, I'm actually not sure this particular feature will do much for our libraries either, but the idea is "staff will see that this is a longoverdue item and treat it differently"
09:20 csharp RoganH: yep
09:21 csharp tsbere: huh - you'll have to give me details on that sometime - sounds interesting
09:22 RoganH tsbere: using RFID?
09:22 tsbere csharp: Er....the delivery company calls it something like "sort to light" or something. Our barcodes should, generally, be on the outside of items. Thus they scan the barcode, SIP2 gives the destination shortcode, and it goes into the bin for that destination. I think cross-system stuff is still slips, but I dunno how we actually handle those right now...
09:23 csharp huh
09:23 RoganH I think I saw a vendor showing that at ALA this year.  I'd forgotten about it.
09:23 tsbere As such, most of our transits have no slips, only things going to other consortia or where the barcode is not on the outside of the case, generally, should have one.
09:23 RoganH If it's the same thing that I saw it was pretty slick and the conveyers worked a lot better than the ones I'm used to seeing on sorters.
09:24 csharp in our perfect world, transit bins would be barcoded so we could track where an item is at any point, but that's pie-in-the-sky when it's on a PINES scale
09:24 csharp well, to say that differently, we're happy with what we're getting at the price we're getting it ;-)
09:25 tsbere heh
09:25 jeff http://www.masslibsystem.org/optima​-sort-to-light-delivery-operations/ has a video -- loud music but no words. It appears that the different sort floor employees have a handheld barcode scanner and an assigned color. They scan the item, their color LED lights above the bin, they drop the item and scan the bin's barcode to confirm.
09:25 jeff the vendor is http://www.shipoptima.com/
09:26 * tsbere had never actually figured out the "light" portion of the name, but that makes sense. "Sort it to the light that lit up"
09:26 RoganH csharp: we use a state department that does our shipping the inter agency mail service and whatever failures they have are made up for in being cheap
09:27 csharp we have a great balance of price, dependability/responsiveness to complaints, and reasonable shipping times right now
09:27 csharp (we use stat courier, btw)
09:28 jeff http://www.masslibsystem.org/faq/ has a FAQ section on sort to light
09:28 csharp jeff: ooooooo nice
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09:56 csharp bleh... I'm having trouble finding the cause of this JS error: 'ReferenceError: circStrings is not defined' when clicking the "Macros" button with the transit_slip template in focus in Admin -> Workstation Administration -> Receipt Template Editor after applying the patch for bug 1202742 on our 2.5.1 system
09:56 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1202742 in Evergreen "Support alert/print message for transiting, non-active copies " (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202742
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09:58 csharp var circStrings = document.getElementById('circStrings'); appears twice within the file
09:58 csharp I don't know if 'circStrings' refers to the variable or the 'getElementById' portion
10:00 csharp JS console is unhelpful - not even a message to correspond with the alert box popup
10:00 csharp in any case, I see the patch working fine when applied to current master, but not on 2.5.1
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10:00 csharp @monologue
10:00 pinesol_green csharp: Your current monologue is at least 7 lines long.
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10:01 csharp the patch itself was developed last summer, so that's pre-2.5
10:05 Stompro Anyone know what is up with the "Washington County Public Library, Kentucky" they are listed on the Evergreen Libraries page, but their hostname is taken over by a squatter, and the page I can find http://www1.youseemore.com/washingtoncountypl/ seems to use a tlc catalog.  tlcdelivers.com
10:06 csharp Stompro: that page isn't well maintained that I know of - prolly something to point out to gmcharlt/web team ;-)
10:07 tsbere csharp: circStrings would refer to the variable. Generally, the javascript is running on a page without an id="circStrings" element within it, so getElementById is returning null, so the variable isn't defined. Perhaps circStrings was added as an element post-2.5?
10:07 Stompro csharp, it is on the Wiki, so I'll update it, I'm just wondering if anyone heard anything about them moving away from evergreen.
10:08 csharp Stompro: sometimes things like this are how we find out ;-)
10:09 yboston phasefx: are you around for a quick community question?
10:09 Stompro Ahh, youseemore.com is also a TLC product.  They must have moved over to TLC and dropped eveything else.  I'll send them an email.
10:09 csharp usually it's only the high-profile systems who get reported out via Marshall Breeding & co.
10:10 csharp tsbere: I'll check out that
10:10 csharp s/out/on/
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10:17 csharp looks like circStrings first appeared in early 2008 with commit 4e3c634, so that's not it
10:17 pinesol_green [evergreen|dbs] Start tackling circ/util.js i18n - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4e3c634>
10:17 csharp however, I can report that whatever's wrong is only affecting slips with type: transit
10:18 phasefx yboston: I'm off today, but still around as it happens :) what's up?
10:21 tsbere csharp: That sounds fairly straightforward to look at. Want me to take a quick look?
10:26 csharp tsbere: yes, please... should I pastebin our util.js post-patch?
10:26 tsbere csharp: I was thinking I could just cherry-pick the commit into a rel_2_5 checkout to take a look.
10:26 csharp or is there another file?  I've never fully untangled receipt templates ;-)
10:27 csharp ah - okay - yeah - that'd be great
10:32 tsbere csharp: Is it only when hitting the macros button, or are you seeing it elsewhere too?
10:33 csharp there was a FIXME in one of the circ interfaces (sorry I don't remember now) but the message provided to me was... lemme paste it
10:34 pastebot "csharp" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "fixme error for tsbere" (7 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/18
10:34 csharp not much meat there, but there is a line number
10:42 tsbere csharp: Do you have specific instructions for what you are doing to get the error? Because at this point I am wondering if some other pines change has caused it.
10:43 csharp in my case, go to Admin -> Local Administration -> Receipt template editor, then select transit_slip, then click Macros
10:43 tsbere csharp: Stock rel_2_5 with the commit cherry-picked in does not, for me, generate errors there.
10:44 tsbere csharp: Thus, if you are getting errors I would need your version of the file at a minimum, perhaps more. :/
10:47 csharp yeah - just a minute - I'm going to diff the pines version with "vanilla" 2.5.1
10:48 csharp nope - no customizations in util.js - lemme check circ.properties
10:53 csharp no customizations in circ.properties either - hmm
10:54 tsbere csharp: Check server/circ/print_list_template_editor.xul
10:54 csharp k
10:54 * bshum gets twitchy with string changes
10:55 csharp no differences there either
10:55 csharp damn
10:56 csharp I applied the change by copying the 'raw' version of the commit into a file and using 'patch'
10:58 tsbere csharp: why not just use git cherry-pick?
11:00 tsbere csharp: Also, given that you apparently have no differences, it seems odd that my line numbers are off by quite a bit from yours on the error
11:00 csharp huh - interesting
11:00 csharp I don't use cherry-pick when patching a running server
11:00 csharp just create a patch and apply manually
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11:01 * csharp is happy to learn better ways to do things ;-)
11:01 tsbere csharp: Cherry-pick into the branch, generate patch from *that*?
11:01 csharp ah
11:01 tsbere added bonus: Your git branch then has the changes ;)
11:03 tsbere csharp: Also, once you have cherry-picked you can use "git format-patch" to get a patch file out
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11:03 tsbere csharp: Or, in the case where you are putting whole file updates into place, once you have the commit cherry-picked just copy the file over
11:05 csharp tsbere: thanks for the help... I think I'm going to have to walk away from this problem for a bit, maybe get some lunch :-/
11:06 tsbere csharp: Feel free to direct message me or email me with questions about any of this as well. I wouldn't even object to a phone call, though I suppose you would need my phone number for that.
11:07 csharp thanks :-)
11:07 csharp working_while_sick--
11:07 RoganH csharp: stop working, get soup and watch bad movies
11:08 bshum csharp: I'm not sure about targeting bug 1202742 at 2.7.1 as though it were a bug fix.  It's got string changes (which we don't do past beta) and otherwise reads as a new feature to Evergreen? It should stay in the hopper for 2.8.
11:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1202742 in Evergreen "Support alert/print message for transiting, non-active copies " (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202742
11:11 csharp bshum: no objections here
11:16 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1306814: Make use of patron timeout setting for selfcheck - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f7edee6>
11:20 bshum Calling 0893
11:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Chris Sharp] LP#1368314: Add RDA support to reporter.simple_record. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cbee3de>
11:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1368314: Stamping upgrade script for RDA support to reporter.simple_record - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2b3925b>
11:31 dbwells yboston: Better authority fix for bug #1233350 is now posted as bug #1379824
11:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1233350 in Evergreen "Cannot edit an authority record twice without reloading authorities, " (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233350
11:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1379824 in Evergreen "Make PermaCrud.js disconnect() actually disconnect" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379824
11:33 yboston dbwells: nice!
11:34 bshum Calling 0894
11:37 yboston dbwells: is there anything I can help with? do you need me to test the commit and sign it off?
11:38 pinesol_green [evergreen|Chris Sharp] LP#1374551: Create index on money.billing.voider to speed user merge. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=44bca3b>
11:38 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1374551: Stamping upgrade script for new index on money.billing.voider - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=896dea5>
11:38 dbwells yboston: testing and signoffs are always appreciated!
11:50 bshum Hmm, California.
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12:11 bshum eeevil: csharp: Is there anything special that needs to happen after applying the new fixed fields from https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1309664
12:11 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1309664 in Evergreen "Add some fixed field seed data for COM and SER" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New]
12:11 bshum Or it's just stuff employed by the editor?
12:17 bshum And I wonder how that relates to gmcharlt's work in https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1306258
12:17 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1306258 in Evergreen "more seed data for MARC21 fixed field values would be nice" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Triaged]
12:18 bshum Actually they look a little different
12:18 * bshum shrugs it off
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12:33 eeevil bshum: nothing to do after adding that. it's really mainly for the benefit of the context menus in the FF editor.  a reingest would allow you to set up filters and stuff on them, but, those are very rare FFs in practice
12:33 bshum eeevil: That's what I was thinking as I looked at it more.  Thanks for confirming!  :D
12:33 bshum I'll get that pushed along then shortly.
12:34 bshum eeevil++ csharp++
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13:16 bshum Calling 0895
13:20 RoganH bshum: did 0895 ever call you back?
13:20 bshum Hehe
13:20 RoganH :)  Tip your waiters folks, I'll be here all week.
13:20 bshum RoganH: You know I never really asked why I say that.  I just followed everybody else's example.
13:20 bshum :)
13:20 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1309664: Add some fixed field seed data for COM and SER - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cca294d>
13:20 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1309664: Stamping upgrade script for new seed data for COM and SER - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f3e9100>
13:20 bshum RoganH++
13:31 RoganH I'm headed out.  Have a good weekend!
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13:35 bshum bmills: I just pushed the selfcheck timeout fix to the repos. Hopefully you can make use of that fix sometime. :)
13:37 bmills bshum: thanks!
13:38 bmills bshum++
13:39 bshum mmorgan++ # thanks for testing!
13:39 bshum jboyer-isl++ # think check on the JavaScript.
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14:07 mmorgan bshum++ # thanks for fixing :)
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14:58 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] LP#1305958 Change copy table header atts to scope attributes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cf421fe>
15:08 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP#1379824 Make PermaCrud.js disconnect() actually disconnect - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=18ef1ce>
15:20 Bmagic General question - if I want to set a variable in the perl backend for the template toolkit to read later can I use ctx? or cgi? AKA $cgi->{add_item_success} = $bib   and in the ttl  tempval = CGI.add_item_success;   (this doesnt work)
15:26 tsbere Bmagic: I would go with ctx
15:26 Bmagic tsbere: it doesnt seem that the ttl gets my variable
15:26 tsbere Bmagic: I would need more information, such as where you are trying to set and use, in order to help you further.
15:28 Bmagic tsbere: Im setting it on the server side Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/Open​ILS/WWW/EGCatLoader/Account.pm and I am trying to read it from templates/opac/parts/bookbag_actions.tt2
15:29 Bmagic the code I have tried in Account.pm is $self->ctx->{add_item_success} = $bib on line 2220 and I dumped the variable to the logs to make sure it's set and it is
15:31 tsbere Bmagic: That code block appears to go into a redirect on success. As such I believe you will lost ctx in the process.
15:31 Bmagic ah
15:31 Bmagic I need to carry it through somehow
15:32 tsbere Bmagic: To carry through you will need to add to $url
15:32 Bmagic tsbere: my first was to add it to $url
15:32 Bmagic and that worked
15:32 Bmagic but then the mkurl function keeps that URI for all of the subsequent links
15:34 Bmagic Does EG use session variables?
15:34 Bmagic I don't see Apache::Session being used anywhere
15:35 tsbere Bmagic: You can get some session like stuff with memcache, but I am not sure I would want to rely on it
15:35 Bmagic tsbere: oh yeah, that's right, because the traffic is load balanced. OK, why not rely on memcache?
15:36 tsbere Bmagic: Because someone doing multiple things with the same authtoken, or those not logged in, will likely get confusing.
15:36 Bmagic the ttl can talk to memcache?
15:36 tsbere Bmagic: Well, no, the backend would have to do that and then store things in ctx
15:37 Bmagic tsbere: so, you would put my var in the URL and then teach mkurl to ignore it?
15:38 tsbere Bmagic: That would be one option. You could store it in a cookie and fetch it afterwards too.
15:38 Bmagic tsbere: the cookie sounds cleaner
15:39 tsbere Bmagic: What are you aiming to do, anyway?
15:39 Bmagic I would like to display a message in the OPAC after a bib is added to a list saying something like "Success"
15:42 tsbere And the way things currently work that is an "easier said than done" thing. :/
15:42 Bmagic https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1182547
15:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1182547 in Evergreen "OPAC -"Add to my list" not displaying properly" (affected: 8, heat: 36) [Undecided,Confirmed]
15:43 Bmagic tsbere: it seems like storing a quick bib id somewhere and referring to it in the opac should be pretty easy
15:43 Bmagic the redirect is the issue, and a cookie could be the solution
15:44 tsbere Bmagic: Perhaps going a different route would be better: Teach TPac to check *all* of a user's lists for the bib?
15:45 Bmagic tsbere: I understood that was discussed and voted against for performance concerns
15:45 Bmagic tsbere: when really a simple "it worked" would/could resolve the issue
15:45 tsbere Shouldn't be hard to, at the very least, say "this is on one of your lists" - Not necessarily saying *which* list in the dropdown or anything.
15:47 Bmagic tsbere: I think your idea will work as well, want to code it for me?
15:47 tsbere not really
15:47 Bmagic I suppose that would be pure ttl code
15:47 tsbere and that is also a "not really" :P
15:47 Bmagic haha
15:50 * tsbere blinks at the bookbag loading code and wonders if something is horribly broken
15:50 * Bmagic ponders
15:52 tsbere So, yea, under some normal circumstances it doesn't happen, but there is some funky stuff going down there...
15:53 Bmagic in Account.pm sub load_myopac_bookbag_update ?
16:33 jeff lists were very... interesting when we were scraping them
16:33 jeff some of the interesting things were just due to the hackish nature of scraping in general
16:33 jeff other things were... perhaps not exclusive to that :-)
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17:10 bmills has anyone experienced evergreen locking up when creating a new marc record and then hitting the validate button with new authority headings put in? we've had a few instances reported where the staff member will have their machine lock up and then return a "Validate -650 -650" etc… depending on how many times they've hit validate. we then get a postgres process for it that runs at 100% until being killed off with pg cancel backend.
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17:12 Bmagic bmills: We haven't see than behavior, what version of EG and postgres?
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17:13 bmills 2.5.1 and postgres 9.1.14
17:16 yboston I always forget every year, happy Canadian Thanksgiving to our Canadian EG folk!
17:16 yboston thanks to bbqben for reminding me
17:16 bmills @Bmagic example error message after canceling the query http://pastebin.com/wLHKeYgy
17:16 pinesol_green bmills: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
17:21 jihpringle yboston: thanks!  we'll be eating lots of turkey :)
17:22 Bmagic bmills: I'm not going to be much help as our system is not currently using authority. I hope there is someone here with more expierence with the DB authority.normalize_heading. You could bring it to the email list and get more response.
17:23 bmills Bmagic: thanks!
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17:43 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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17:54 bbqben jihpringle: bring leftovers to the office next week?
17:55 jihpringle bbqben: I wish, I'm going to family friends for dinner so I won't have leftovers :(
17:55 bbqben jihpringle: bring small tupperware ;)
17:56 jihpringle :)
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19:45 atlas__ hello !  installing evergreen for the first time and having fun getting ejabberd to start
19:45 atlas__ any ideas whats causing this: http://imgur.com/iNAbZkP
19:49 jihpringle atlas__: Welcome!  This channel is usually busiest between 9-5 ETMonday to Friday.  I'd recommend that you try asking your question again on Monday
19:50 jihpringle or you could try posting your question to general mailing list - http://evergreen-ils.org/c​ommunicate/mailing-lists/
20:01 bshum atlas__: Which distribution are you installing on?
20:06 atlas__ bshum: Fedora 20
20:07 bshum Aha
20:07 bshum I thought it looked a little different.
20:07 bshum My experience thus far is primarily Debian/Ubuntu.
20:08 atlas__ I figured I should have started with one of those since they are listed first in the instruction order
20:08 atlas__ so when I try to start all the opensrf services I just get 'authentication failed' and its because ejabberd seems to be borked
20:09 bshum atlas__: Fedora is one of the targets, but nobody actively uses Fedora in production for Evergreen (as far as I know)
20:10 bshum I think it's mainly there cause there's a few Fedora enthusiasts among the developers :)
20:10 bshum It's entirely possible that something needs more love with Fedora 20.  Just a quick glance at the instructions for OpenSRF seem to me that they were written with Fedora 17+ in mind (which might also mean that they haven't been fully tested yet with 20)
20:10 atlas__ what do people run in production
20:11 bshum Yeah, the Fedora build slave at testing.evergreen-ils.org is only Fedora 18.
20:11 bshum atlas__: Go for Debian or Ubuntu.
20:11 bshum Presently, Debian Wheezy (7.0) or Ubuntu 12.04 server would be my best recommendations.
20:12 bshum Ubuntu 14.04 support is still... being worked out.
20:12 atlas__ any reason to do one over the other? i've got more experience with ubuntu, but yeah 14.04 would be a lot better
20:13 atlas__ I'd rather Fedora (clearly!).  But if Debian is what most use in production I could probably figure it out.
20:13 bshum atlas__: I consider it to be a personal preference.  I use Ubuntu 12.04 for our systems.
20:13 atlas__ okay
20:15 atlas__ nuking the f20 vm :(
20:16 bshum atlas__: If you're interested in Fedora, I would consider mailing the list as jihpringle suggested.  Perhaps the Fedora folks will chime in when they can.  :)
20:16 * bshum stares off in dbs' direction
20:16 bshum But yeah, if you're thinking to work with Evergreen in production, I think people usually stick with Debian or Ubuntu.
20:17 bshum I think they use Fedora as a development platform.
20:18 atlas__ tempted to try this out https://github.com/mark-cooper/evergreen-playbook
20:19 bshum Hmm, fancy.
20:22 atlas__ crawl walk run though eh
20:22 atlas__ hehe
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21:53 atlas__ bshum: I think I know where I went wrong. it probably would have just worked on fedora 20
21:55 bshum atlas__: It's entirely possible.
21:55 bshum One of these days I'll try building Evergreen on Fedora again.  But not this weekend :)
21:58 bshum Out of curiosity, what do you think happened?
22:00 atlas__ I think I ran make as root user on opensrf instead of as 'user'
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22:24 atlas__ nope
22:24 atlas__ same error in ubuntu 12.04 damnit
22:25 bshum Hmm
22:27 bshum So the error you're seeing is... the authentication failure?
22:28 bshum When you registered the ejabberd users, did you use any special characters in the password?
22:29 bshum I wonder if the logs will have any more clues for why things aren't working correctly.
22:31 atlas__ yes...I did use special characters in the password..
22:31 atlas__ i had thought about that..
22:31 bshum atlas__: So, ejabberd has a bug in it where use of some characters can break things
22:31 bshum https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/714694 like dollar signs, etc.
22:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 714694 in OpenSRF "Passwords cannot contain certain special characters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Won't fix]
22:31 atlas__ ba dum tish
22:31 bshum You'll want to try something a little simpler for testing :)
22:32 atlas__ can I just re-run these register commands to get new ejabbderctl passwords
22:33 bshum I was just looking up how to change the passwords
22:33 atlas__ thank you thank you
22:33 bshum ejabberdctl man page, whee
22:34 bshum So maybe something like
22:34 bshum sudo ejabberdctl change-password opensrf private.localhost password
22:34 bshum Repeat for all four users
22:34 bshum But basically "ejabberdctl change-password <user> <hostname> <password>"
22:35 bshum And then make sure you change up your opensrf_core.xml passwords to match it
22:35 bshum And .srfsh.xml too
22:35 bshum For purposes of getting going, I'd do something alphanumeric.
22:35 bshum Or if it's purely a test system... *cough, cough* "password" is probably fine :)
22:37 bshum Maybe we ought to consider putting a note on that in the OpenSRF README on how people should avoid certain special characters that are known to break things.
22:37 * bshum adds reminder for his future self.
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