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05:03 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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09:23 krvmga a patron sent me a note that she couldn't see the dropdown for placing a hold in My Lists when she was on her mobile.
09:24 krvmga this seems to be the case on our server as well.
09:24 krvmga is this just a spot that the responsive catalog design didn't get to?
09:28 krvmga i've tested this on a vanilla version of 2.5 and it seems to be the case.
09:30 Dyrcona krvmga: It seems bug worthy to me. I haven't really tried using the catalog much from my phone.
09:30 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] Fix 030.schema.metabib.sql breakage. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b0c4299>
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09:35 Dyrcona tsbere++ # for testing and pushing
09:47 jeff Dyrcona++ tsbere++
09:48 Dyrcona You should thank tsbere. He noticed the break and I didn't, 'cause he tried to build a fresh database yesterday.
09:48 krvmga https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1353509
09:48 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1353509 in Evergreen "responsive catalog design fail in my lists" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
09:48 Dyrcona I'll have to test these things with a fresh database, too, from now on.
09:49 Dyrcona The automated build bot caught it, too.
09:51 dbs krvmga: please include your specific mobile device and mobile browser in the bug report, just in case it's limited to a specific combination
09:52 dbs And a bug report title of "Unable to place hold in My Lists from a mobile device" would be both a more useful description and less negative than "responsive catalog design fail"
09:54 dbs Maybe it's the case that it's just a limitation of the hover vs. touch event model on mobile devices, and not due to the responsive catalog design, in which case you might have insulted those who worked on the responsive design for no good reason...
10:06 krvmga dbs: the condition can be tested in a web browser by resizing the browser to the mobile device size you'd like
10:09 krvmga dbs: i changed the title as you suggested and added the reported device and os as well as the browser info
10:09 krvmga https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1353509
10:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1353509 in Evergreen "Unable to place holds in My Lists from mobile device" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,New]
10:18 bshum krvmga: Well I think I agree with dbs that any specific information about how the bug was originally discovered can be helpful information to others who test the issues noted in bugs.
10:18 krvmga bshum: i added it.
10:30 krvmga in eg 2.6, openils/var/opac/parts/base.tt2, semiauto.css and style.css are linked. are these links obsolete?
10:32 bshum krvmga: I think I see the issue for mobile view of my lists.
10:32 bshum http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.g​it;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/templates/opac/css​/style.css.tt2;h=84d5fa5b175eaf53e5917730bb​e23321eb4a8d03;hb=refs/heads/master#l1965
10:32 bshum Is a part where the column headers are hidden
10:32 bshum and because the column is what contains the place hold (and also, notes) option
10:33 bshum But the row itself contains no information
10:33 bshum The column(s) go poof
10:33 krvmga guessing that going poof = not good :)
10:34 bshum Well, realistically I think we need to redesign the my list area to work better in mobile circumstances.
10:34 bshum There are so many repeated buttons and actions it makes me unhappy :)
10:34 bshum It's a very busy area.
10:39 bshum Anywho
10:39 bshum I added my findings to the bug for now and marked it confirmed.
10:39 bshum Maybe it's something we'll work on later at the Hackaway or whenever time permits again.
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10:41 krvmga what's the best way for me to stay in the loop as far as opac development goes? being out of the loop has caused me more than a few headaches because of all of the customizations that cwmars has.
10:42 Dyrcona krvmga: Monitoring Launchpad, monitoring IRC, monitoring the dev mailing list, basically being highly involved in the community.
10:43 bshum Or reading every git commit and seeing what changes are made to every file in Open-ILS/src/templates/opac/..
10:43 bshum :D
10:43 bshum (but I read every commit anyways)
10:43 krvmga bshum: :P
10:44 krvmga i'm gathering that there's no particular "opac development interest group" and things are just generalized throughout the community.
10:45 Dyrcona Actually, getting the git commit email is the best way to stay up on what is going into Evergreen.
10:45 bshum krvmga: I think care for the catalog stretches across all groups fairly broadly.
10:45 bshum It's the most visible point of the ILS
10:46 berick OPAC release notes should offer some help there as well
10:46 bshum So if we started trying to silo discussions about it into a specific group or list, it would just add to making it more difficult to know what's happening.  Since work on it covers many angles.
10:47 bshum But that's just my opinion.
10:48 dbs Sorry for disappearing folks, I had a training session to give that I had to run off to
10:50 krvmga anyway, back to style.css and semioauto.css in base.tt2: are those links obsolete?
10:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Yamil Suarez] Docs: How to use the MARC 007 Physical Characteristics Wizard - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7e5604c>
10:51 krvmga <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="[% ctx.media_prefix %]/css/skin/default/opac/semiauto.css" />
10:51 krvmga <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="[% ctx.opac_root %]/css/style.css" />
10:51 dbs krvmga++ bshum++ # for looking deeper into the mobile issue
10:52 dbs krvmga: no, style.css.tt2 generates css/style.css IIRC
10:52 dbs and semiauto.css still hase some elements that have not made their way into style.css, IIRC
10:53 krvmga okey dokey then :)
10:53 krvmga dbs++
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11:07 dbs Hey Dyrcona, re: #1304462 I signed off on your commit but haven't pushed anything, so ysuarez probably shouldn't add the release note to the docs until the commits get pushed :)
11:08 dbs bug 1304462 that is (zoia)
11:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1304462 in Evergreen "Add 264 tag values to Record Summary" (affected: 3, heat: 20) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1304462 - Assigned to Ben Shum (bshum)
11:09 csharp krvmga: (late to conversation, but) I would add to what bshum and Dyrcona said that it helps to run the master branch on a test machine and assist with testing bugfixes and new features
11:09 yboston dbs: thaks for the heads up. Would it help if I did a collab branch and cherry picked Dyrcona's commit and add the release notes there?
11:09 csharp that way it's not just a matter of hearing about features, but actually using them in their raw state
11:10 dbs yboston: well of course I would like my commit to be signed off too :)
11:10 dbs but sure, that would help, then we can sign off on your release note + push the whole thing
11:10 krvmga csharp: thanks. (now just has to learn how to install master instead of x.x versions)
11:11 bshum csharp: Sort of a "don't complain about the pie's ingredients after it's finished baking" sort of approach?  :D
11:11 csharp krvmga: once you've built the server, it's mostly a matter of knowing how to check out and install branches on git
11:11 csharp s/on/from/
11:11 * krvmga adds to list of must-learn-how-to-do.
11:12 csharp bshum: or taste the soup before it's served ;-)
11:12 bshum csharp: Ahh, I like that one better :)
11:12 krvmga csharp: i like that one, too :)
11:14 yboston dbs: I forgot about the schema.org changes. I probably won't have time to test the schema.org changes in a test VM this week, I can wait for soemone else to sign off on those changes
11:14 yboston before making the collab branch
11:14 yboston or I can just wait until both sets of changes are pulled in
11:15 csharp oh btw, I volunteered last week to test web sockets - unfortunately, I got bogged down trying to get that running (mostly confusion about apache vs apache-websockets and whether both should be running and whether there needs to be separate config? etc.)
11:24 bshum @later tell jeffdavis Not sure if you had more work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1046420 to do (the bug comments lead me to believe there is some more to be done), let us know later.
11:24 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.
11:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1046420 in Evergreen "Wishlist: Cut off due dates so they don't extend past card expiration date" (affected: 3, heat: 26) [Wishlist,Triaged]
11:26 bshum dbs: I believe you expressed interest in that bug too, since it was one of the things you need before we dropped circ scripts?
11:48 Dyrcona dbs: I was on a conference call, but yeah, point well taken about the release note. :)
11:48 Dyrcona My fingers get ahead of my brain sometimes.
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14:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1319519 Add to PO limits to new/pending PO's - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=101d652>
14:34 bshum dbs: Dyrcona: yboston: I finally found my old branch that I put together to switch out the publisher, etc. for 264 display in search results branch.
14:34 bshum Would it make sense for me to start a collab branch with everything in it?
14:35 bshum I'll start by pulling Dyrcona and dbs stuff and signing off on them
14:35 bshum And then add in my commits and yboston's notes
14:35 bshum If it looks good, we can push the whole thing on up
14:35 * bshum tests
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14:42 dbs bshum++
14:42 * dbs will need to look at bug 1046420 too
14:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1046420 in Evergreen "Wishlist: Cut off due dates so they don't extend past card expiration date" (affected: 3, heat: 26) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046420
14:43 hbrennan Is there a dev mtg going on?
14:43 bshum hbrennan: Not at the moment.
14:43 dbs hbrennan: just the regular 24-hour-a-day kind :)
14:43 hbrennan dbs: hehe
14:43 hbrennan Just checking
14:44 hbrennan I just had a patron ask a really interesting question. "When I place a hold, can I be notified what place in the line I am?"
14:44 hbrennan I thought it was a great idea
14:45 hbrennan Hold on Blah Blah was successful. There are 4 holds ahead of you.
14:45 hbrennan That type of thing
14:45 * dbs suspects for sites with complex holds, the line may be more of a lie
14:45 hbrennan possibly
14:45 dbs But for straightforward hold setups, that would be nice, yeah.
14:45 hbrennan It's the most common questions following a hold being place though
14:46 bshum For a standalone library, it's less crazy.
14:46 hbrennan and it's not the quickest workflow to find
14:46 bshum With consortiums forget about it :)
14:46 bshum When you're one building, holds progress slightly more logically.
14:46 bshum Only slightly.
14:46 bshum It'll still skip over people who are bad
14:46 hbrennan Yeah, I don't even want to think about floating and transits and all that
14:46 bshum Or if frozen holds come back
14:46 csharp a straight queue is impossible in PINES
14:46 hbrennan We don't skip bad people! We lure them in
14:46 bshum So more or less it's basically a lie.
14:47 hbrennan You have a hold, come on in! Oh, but first give us $20.
14:47 csharp I think PINES libraries tried to charge for holds at one point in the distant past, but it was not adopted as policy
14:48 csharp bribes weren't part of that calculus though ;-)
14:48 hbrennan I sometimes want to do that with the people who put holds on 30 things that are available, just so we'll pull them and have them waiting (I know we can turn this off... but we're nice)
14:49 csharp "you're number 38 on the list, but if you *know* somebody, you're number 10"
14:49 hbrennan ha
14:49 * csharp has dealt with patrons who wanted it to actually work that way
14:49 csharp (not in PINES)
14:50 hbrennan So the "place in line" feature wouldn't do much for consortium or complicated holds systems, but it a feasible project?
14:50 hbrennan There is already a notification of success... and there's a way to find the place in line.. so it would be merging them
14:51 hbrennan (Holly strikes again by grossly simplifying the process and enraging the brilliant dev minds!)
14:52 bshum dbs: yboston: Dyrcona: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/​heads/collab/bshum/lp1304462_rda_264
14:52 yboston I have a git workflow question, I am preparing some documentation commits from a DIG member to inlude in master & 2.6
14:53 bshum That's the collab I started rolling with.  I have to test it again on a server to make sure my commits don't break anything new.
14:53 bshum It's been awhile.
14:53 csharp in a FIFO setup, that sounds reasonable, but in the "default" setup that was built for contant transits across systems, no that wouldn't work
14:53 csharp s/contant/constant/
14:54 hbrennan csharp: Sounds like it would be something we'd have to take on ourselves. Thanks!
14:55 hbrennan Back to work you guys!
14:55 hbrennan and by guys I mean "yous guys" meaning everyone
14:55 mmorgan hbrennan: I'll just throw this out there - couldn't one set up a trigger notification based on a hold being placed, and send the queue position (however flawed it may be) in the email message?
14:55 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] Docs: Fix patron registration screenshot - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b0691c4>
14:56 hbrennan mmorgan: Oh, good idea... I haven't played with trigger notifications since our set up
14:56 bshum mmorgan: I played with creating a notification for that, but I think that the hook or event didn't work for me.
14:56 bshum In any event I never got notified whenever a hold was created.
14:56 yboston bshum: I believe you made that release notes commit what I posted on LP, did you just use git ci --amend?
14:56 hbrennan Yikes. If bshum can't make it happen... there is no hope
14:56 yboston (git commit --amend)
14:56 bshum yboston: I used something like git commit --author="your name <email>"
14:57 bshum And that set the author to you to give you the credit
14:57 yboston bshum: good timing, becuase I need to do that to give Erica credit on soem docs comits
14:58 kmlussier I've done something like that with doc commits before.
14:59 yboston I already pushed of her commits to master, but now noticed that I had her signoff, but she is not listed as the author
14:59 yboston :(
14:59 yboston I'll do that from now on
15:00 yboston the git commit --author="your name <email>"
15:01 bshum yboston++ ericar++
15:01 bshum remingtron++ too
15:03 yboston for the record, shoudl I do anything about the commit I did not give her credit on? There have been two new commits added to master since, so a simple amend will not work.
15:04 bshum We have since moved on.
15:04 yboston I could fix it for when I backport to the 2.6 branch
15:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1279998 marc_stream_importer support alternate match strategies - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1e3e3e7>
15:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1279998 marc_stream_importer option no-match import; delete repairs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d0399c9>
15:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1279998 marc stream importer release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=aa3bed5>
15:28 Dyrcona On the commit thing: I've done it a couple of times with patches to give the patch author credit, not me.
15:38 pinesol_green [evergreen|Erica Rohlfs] Docs: MARC Record Attribute Definitions, Multi Valued Fields, Composite Record Attributes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1f8b86d>
16:00 pinesol_green [evergreen|Erica Rohlfs] Docs: How to perform metarecord search and hold - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ae82e4d>
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16:04 pinesol_green [evergreen|Erica Rohlfs] Docs: How to use MARC Fixed Field Editor - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c901231>
16:12 pinesol_green [evergreen|Erica Rohlfs] Docs: How to create routing list and shows address on routing list - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b69c63b>
16:46 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
16:46 phasefx yay
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17:23 remingtron berick: FYI, I plan to test bug 1329503 tomorrow morning
17:23 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1329503 in Evergreen "View / Edit Existing Reports" (affected: 5, heat: 30) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1329503
17:24 remingtron unless you have enough eyes on that already, then I'll test something else
17:25 berick remingtron++ # that would be much appreciated
17:25 remingtron great, will do
17:25 berick beware it relies on another LP / branch mentioned in the ticket
17:27 remingtron right, thanks for the reminder
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