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04:59 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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08:24 Dyrcona bshum: You mind if I push lp 1198475 to master?
08:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1198475 in Evergreen "Support for Lost and Paid Status" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1198475
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08:27 bshum Dyrcona: Sure, it's got the signoff, go for it.
08:28 Dyrcona Cool. Will do.
08:34 Dyrcona Grabbing 0886.
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08:39 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP1198475: Add a new, optional, Lost and Paid copy status. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=64d321c>
08:39 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#1198475: Wrapping upgrade script for lost and paid copy status. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6cce3cd>
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08:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Release notes entry for lost and paid status - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eed5316>
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09:33 jeff dbs++ for another sip+ssh link
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10:00 * dbs wonders if adapting that SIP tunneling blog post into official docs would be a worthwhile investment of energy
10:00 dbs probably a bit too specific to the particular client :/
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10:19 krvmga i'm going to experiment with site-specific configuration for multiple libraries. would anyone who has done this like to share how they did it?
10:20 jeff krvmga: your question still seems a little vague. can you elaborate?
10:21 krvmga for instance, in bibliomation, you can go to ansonia.biblio.org or in mvlc, you can go to billerica.mvlc.org
10:22 jeff Got it.
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10:26 csharp if we had more of a hand in local IT in our libraries, I would push harder for SSH/SIP here
10:27 csharp as it is, I'm kicking around the idea of firewalling off any IP not in a specific list that's attempting to connect to our SIP port
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10:33 tsbere csharp: We only allow vendors to talk to our SIP server....mainly because they refuse to do things like SSH tunnels.
10:34 csharp makes sense
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10:36 Dyrcona We also restrict access to untunneled connections by IP address.
10:36 csharp good to know
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10:38 jeff csharp: your SIP port is open to the world?
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10:48 bshum For fun note, it seems mod CGI isn't part of (i.e. not enabled with) apache 2.4.  So a fresh Trusty install breaks pages that require that.
10:48 bshum I hit it when I got bash code back when I tried getting the staff client page.
10:48 jeff anyone else have interest in a feature that helps patrons not burn renewals?
10:48 bshum Thinking we can just add CGI to the makefile for trusty
10:49 kmlussier jeff: Not burn renewals?
10:49 tsbere jeff: depends. How do you expect them to "burn" them, or how do you want to negate the "burn"?
10:49 bshum jeff: I think we'd be interested in something like that.  For those inevitable mis-scans at the selfcheck.
10:49 jeff it's somewhat easy for a patron to renew an item online multiple times in a day (or minute)
10:49 bshum Err, multiple scans
10:49 bshum Not mis-scans
10:50 bshum That too.
10:50 csharp bshum: ewww - I hadn't run across that yet
10:50 dbs krvmga: I guess we need a slight extension to http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2​.6/_designing_your_catalog.html that covers multi-hostname libraries
10:51 csharp which interfaces use CGI at this point?
10:51 Dyrcona csharp: offline circulation and manualupdate.html
10:52 csharp argh
10:52 Dyrcona cgi-bin/offline alias also gives a nice warning when you start Apache on trusty.
10:52 Dyrcona I haven't tested if it still works, yet. I probably should.
10:53 dbs krvmga: probably need to provide an example like http://pastebin.com/cxHyWbHC along with some example template overrides for the likes of config.tt2
10:53 Dyrcona I'm not sure it is a general Apache 2.4 problem. It may only be a problem with trusty. I saw it after upgrading, and I think bshum saw it with a fresh install.
10:53 bshum Dyrcona: Ugh, I just saw that error now in the restart I issued
10:53 Dyrcona It's a warning, not an error. :)
10:53 bshum Yes, warning :)
10:54 Dyrcona Just to be pedantic. An error would stop the restart.
10:54 krvmga dbs: thanks!
10:54 csharp hmm - I don't see the warning
10:54 krvmga dbs++
10:54 csharp AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/eg.conf:103
10:55 bshum That too
10:55 csharp ^^ that and the fqdn warning are all I see
10:55 bshum There's a bug and fix tfor that
10:55 bshum https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1341013
10:55 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1341013 in Evergreen "NameVirtualHost deprecated in Apache 2.4" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
10:55 Dyrcona [Mon Jul 14 10:55:36.432069 2014] [alias:warn] [pid 1276] AH00671: The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/eg.conf at line 54 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
10:56 bshum Dyrcona: I guess we should file and fix that too
10:57 Dyrcona It could be something in my configs that is unusual.
10:57 Dyrcona The upgrade was a mess.
10:57 Dyrcona I also configured a Dancer app for NCIP testing, but I get that with or without that configuration in place.
10:57 bshum Well, my clean install gets the same "warning" but yeah.
10:58 Dyrcona Oh, if you get it clean, then we should do something about it.
10:58 bshum Course it didn't start giving me that warning till I turned on CGI :)
10:58 Dyrcona Well, it would be ignored without mod_cgi enabled.
10:59 bshum Right
11:00 csharp ah - that must be why I'm not seeing it ;-)
11:00 csharp yep - there it is
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11:02 Dyrcona We could port the cgi stuff to psgi and run it with a Plack handler.
11:02 Dyrcona That would make it faster, too, but for something so infrequently used the speed boost may be unimportant.
11:03 bshum Seems easier to just add cgi to the makefile for trusty to me if that gets us there ;)
11:04 csharp short term, I agree with bshum, long term, I agree with Dyrcona to move off of CGI if those are the only two things using it
11:06 Dyrcona I want to make sure offline circ works with 2.4 on trusty before we do much of anything.
11:06 * Dyrcona jots that down to test later today or tomorrow morning.
11:10 bshum Yeesh
11:10 bshum Using the offline gets me skull/crossbone errors
11:10 bshum Unable to retrieve sessions, unable to create sessions
11:11 Dyrcona Not good.
11:12 bshum The error only references dojo
11:13 bshum Meh
11:13 bshum No, it's just an undefined error
11:13 bshum But yeah, not promising
11:15 Dyrcona Well, I have 4 books that came in delivery this morning that I can use for a test.
11:18 bshum 014-07-14 11:17:39 trusty gateway: [cgi:error] [pid 4845] [client 10.129.129.3:40991] script not found or unable to stat: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/offline
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11:18 bshum Oops, slightly less/more than I was going to paste.
11:19 Dyrcona bshum: That looks like the default scriptalias getting in the way.
11:19 bshum Yeah
11:19 jboyer-isl Does apache 2.4 change where the cgi-bin ScriptAlias is defined? Alternatively, have you disabled the default sites?
11:20 bshum I did disable the default site
11:20 jeff in terms of ad-hoc psql queries, is there a reasonable way to call a function multiple times based on the results of a query? bonus points if i can UNION all the output of the various runs of that function.
11:20 jeff (I'm trying to use action.circ_chain to get all of the circs related to all of a single patron's open circulations)
11:22 Dyrcona conf-enabled/serve-cgi-bin.conf
11:22 Dyrcona That's where the default is coming from.
11:22 Dyrcona ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
11:23 Dyrcona jeff: tried "WITH" queries and UNION?
11:24 bshum Dyrcona: Yep, I see that now.
11:24 Dyrcona I would try disabling it and testing, but I started a database reload, so I'll have to wait an hour or two.
11:25 bshum Dyrcona: Disabling meaning commenting out that script alias portion?
11:25 bshum It looks like it gets turned on when we turn on CGI?
11:25 * bshum is going to do some reading
11:25 Dyrcona Just disable the whole conf file.
11:26 Dyrcona OR.....
11:26 Dyrcona OR.... Nothing.... Just disable the whole conf.
11:26 Dyrcona All it does is setup that ScriptAlias.
11:27 Dyrcona It defines a variable then checks it is defined to enable the alias.
11:27 Dyrcona I think that means undefining the variable elsewhere will have no effect.
11:27 * Dyrcona wonders who packaged this mess.
11:28 bshum It did look weird.
11:28 Dyrcona Definitely not friendly to upgrades.
11:28 bshum Thing I'm not sure I understand yet is why it even kicks in
11:29 bshum Oh what
11:29 Dyrcona It kicks in because mod_alias and mod_cgi are available.
11:29 bshum That is weird looking
11:29 Dyrcona If they're both there, it defines the variable, then it checks the variable is defined and does the scriptalias.
11:30 Dyrcona Sid strikes again!
11:30 Dyrcona @blame Debian Sid
11:30 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Debian Sid is why we can never have nice things!
11:30 Dyrcona Bingo!
11:30 Dyrcona Just guessing it was introduced in Sid and made its way to Ubuntu.
11:31 bshum So yeah
11:31 Dyrcona @blame Ubuntu
11:31 pinesol_green Dyrcona: It's all Ubuntu's fault!
11:31 bshum Commenting out that portion of the alias allows ours to work
11:31 bshum And then offline operates normally again
11:31 Dyrcona Wonder if there is an a2disconf script?
11:32 bshum There is
11:32 Dyrcona I'd use that to disable it.
11:32 bshum Yep
11:32 bshum More makefile tweaking I guess
11:32 Dyrcona I think the conf-available stuff is new with 2.4 in Debian/Ubuntu.
11:33 Dyrcona IIRC, it was just conf.d or some such.
11:33 bshum Yeah, it was.  This is new to me.
11:33 Dyrcona Yep.
11:35 Dyrcona bshum: You want to add a commit to run a2disconf to my namevirtualhost branch, or do you want it separate?
11:35 csharp <pedantry>Ubuntu LTS releases are synced with Debian testing, not sid</pedantry> so...
11:35 csharp @blame jessie
11:35 pinesol_green csharp: jessie stole csharp's ice cream!
11:35 bshum Dyrcona: Might as well just make that the "fix Ubuntu 14.04 apache nonsense" branch :)
11:35 * Dyrcona stands corrected by csharp.
11:36 Dyrcona csharp++
11:36 Dyrcona bshum++ && +1 to the suggestion.
11:36 bshum Dyrcona++
11:37 Dyrcona Do we do the a2enmod, etc. stuff in the makefiles, or is that in the documentation to be run after?
11:37 bshum It's in the makefile
11:37 bshum I can add a section to do a2disconf
11:37 Dyrcona The trouble with scripting everything is you sometimes forget where each thing happens.
11:37 Dyrcona Ok.
11:37 bshum It looks like it's in Open-ILS/src/extras/install/Makefile.debian actually
11:38 bshum Where it does all the enmod/dismod stuff
11:38 bshum I figure add another line segment like
11:38 Dyrcona I guess I could try build a fresh trusty vm rather than play around with my upgraded-from-precise vm.
11:38 bshum for m in $(DEB_APACHE_DISCONF); do a2disconf $$m; done;
11:38 mrpeters have they tagged 2.6.2 yet?  or still just the release uploaded to the site
11:39 mrpeters s/they/we/
11:39 bshum And then setup new params for that
11:39 bshum mrpeters: I know dbwells uploaded previews and mceraso tested them last week.  But I don't know if/when they'll be moved to official.  Probably just a minor thing to push all that through.
11:39 bshum He's probably waiting for the right moment to strike
11:40 Dyrcona bshum: Why don't you add that to my lp 1341013 branch and put it in collab?
11:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1341013 in Evergreen "NameVirtualHost deprecated in Apache 2.4" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1341013
11:40 mrpeters yeah, we use the tag from Git to build our debs
11:40 bshum Dyrcona: Will do.
11:40 dbwells mrpeters: It's on my plate for this afternoon.
11:40 Dyrcona We can rename the bug or the branch later if it seems appropriate.
11:40 mrpeters dbwells++ awesome
11:41 * Dyrcona figures out a configuration to auto-build a trusty VM.
11:47 bshum http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working​/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/​collab/bshum/lp1341013_apache24_tweak
11:47 bshum Dyrcona: Signed off on your commit and added the changes I think we'll need for mod CGI
11:48 Dyrcona bshum: Cool. I will add your branch to my dev branch and build a test vm first thing after lunch.
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12:43 csharp hmm Business::Stripe is failing to install
12:44 pastebot "csharp" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Business::Stripe fails to install during Makefile.install run" (67 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/71
12:45 Dyrcona You need to force it if you're using Perl 5.18 or later.
12:45 csharp same issue as krvmga last week: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen/2014-07-08#i_109687
12:45 Dyrcona Most of the Makefile.installs were updated is that on trusty?
12:46 csharp yeah
12:46 Dyrcona If it is, you need to merge from master.
12:46 csharp ok
12:46 Dyrcona We fixed that last week when I ran into it.
12:46 Dyrcona BTW, Business::Stripe has been nothing but a PITA for those who don't use it.
12:46 Dyrcona It should have been made optional and only loaded if it is really needed.
12:46 csharp yeah - that includes us :-/
12:47 csharp same with open-ils.auth_proxy - should be a module
12:47 dbs isn't it a module?
12:48 Dyrcona I find the reason for the stripe failure to be humorous: The tests are broken by later versions of Perl. The module itself, still works.
12:48 csharp dbs: I was told a while back that it was effectively non-disable-able
12:48 csharp so we live with the constant log errors that look just like errors we would actually care about ;-)
12:49 dbs csharp: oh, maybe from the TPAC side of things?
12:51 bshum auth_proxy errors? Hmm?
12:52 csharp bshum: we don't use an auth proxy, so we get a constant stream of opensrf "no one to send my message to!" messages in osrfwarn
12:52 dbs because TPAC tries to contact open-ils.auth_proxy to see if it's enabled.
12:53 bshum o.O That sounds annoying, I guess we don't get that cause even though we don't use auth_proxy we leave it enabled?
12:53 bshum Aha
12:54 dbs disable the "try{}" block in OpenILS/WWW/EGCatLoader.pm and those should go away
12:54 dbs but yeah, there's probably a better way.
12:56 jeff dbs: OpenILS::Application::Circ::Circ​ulate::determine_booking_status uses opensrf.router.info.class.list -- if that isn't possible directly from EGCatLoader, perhaps a helper could be crafted.
12:56 jeff (assuming there isn't ANOTHER better way)
12:56 jeff I also don't know how much time that approach takes.
12:56 jeff I just knew it was there, so thought I'd point it out as a possible approach.
13:21 dbwells jeff: My IRC client wrapped that as determine_boo - king_status.  Thought for a second we might have a Mario Kart module I wasn't aware of ;)
13:21 jeff dbwells++ :-)
13:22 kmlussier dbwells: Sounds like a great wishlist feature! :)
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13:57 jeff csharp: is your issue with open-ils.auth_proxy that you don't run the service at all, and thus there are errors logged when EGCatLoader tries to make a request to it?
13:57 csharp jeff: correct
13:57 csharp we have the service commented out in opensrf.xml
13:58 jeff got it.
13:59 csharp on my weird patron cached data issue, I changed our org_unit tree on 6/30, renaming a system and its branches and changing the parent org of a few other branches... then I ran autogen.sh -u to update.
13:59 csharp is it possible that those changes created a weird caching issue that's manifesting itself on client devices?
14:00 csharp the issue is that stale circ data is showing up in the patron account
14:00 jeff showing up where in the patron account?
14:01 jeff opac? staff client?
14:04 csharp OPAC - the staff client shows the correct data
14:04 jeff has this issue been confirmed with a new browser/etc?
14:05 csharp not yet
14:05 csharp but the issue "corrects itself"
14:05 csharp which is what makes me think that
14:05 csharp I'm waiting for a patron to call me back about it
14:07 jeff especially if the staff client shows correct data, i would try to rule out something like the web browser doing aggressive caching (though with logged-in tpac pages and a well-behaved browser (and no not-well-behaved proxies in the mix) that shouldn't be much of an issue these days).
14:08 csharp it's not that widespread, but it's creating an atmosphere of anxiety in our libraries since someone publicly emailed the list about it
14:08 csharp ("the list" = PINES internal list)
14:09 Dyrcona Now Playing: Jamiroquai - Virtual Insanity
14:10 csharp @weather 30033
14:10 pinesol_green csharp: The current temperature in Leafmore, Decatur, Georgia is 77.0°F (2:10 PM EDT on July 14, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
14:10 csharp @weather 30345
14:10 pinesol_green csharp: The current temperature in Lakeside, Atlanta, Georgia is 73.0°F (2:00 PM EDT on July 14, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
14:10 csharp heh - those locations are basically right beside each other ;-)
14:19 jeff csharp: a perception battle is never fun. how many reports have you had of this, and how many have you been able to interact with?
14:20 csharp probably a half-dozen reports statewide
14:20 csharp I'm trying to talk on the phone with an affected patron
14:20 csharp (waiting for a call from her)
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15:21 csharp okay - confirmed - this is a client side caching issue
15:21 csharp now I'm wondering how the "cache key" works when we run autogen
15:21 bshum That sounds... complicated.
15:21 csharp if that changes, the browser should request the new page, yes?
15:22 * csharp has never looked deeply into this
15:22 tsbere csharp: The cache key is added to some of the files the browser requests based on that information
15:22 tsbere csharp: A "file?cache_key" type deal for javascript and such
15:23 csharp okay, but when, say, items out are requested by the patron, that wouldn't be affected, right?
15:23 tsbere Not at all, as that isn't part of the generated info you are making the key for
15:23 csharp this is stumping me then...
15:23 csharp why would we all of a sudden be seeing this?
15:24 csharp we're like the mothership of all Evergreen testbeds, seems like we would have run across this in 18 months of running TPAC
15:25 dbs It's the NSA cache getting in the way.
15:25 csharp dbs++
15:27 csharp @blame nsa
15:27 pinesol_green csharp: nsa forgot to give the gerbils their chocolate-frosted sugar bombs
15:28 dbs "We're not saying you've been targeted by the NSA, because we're not allowed to, but if you were, it's possible that they might be sending you cached content while they filter through what you've been reading."
15:29 bshum mmorgan: If/when you have a moment, can you direct me at how you tweaked your consortium's catalog to put the Novelist content more prominently in the record display?  I like it!  :D
15:30 bshum (or put me in touch with whoever customized that for you guys)
15:30 * bshum has some ideas on how it's done, but figured to ask
15:30 kmlussier bshum / mmorgan: I know a couple of other consortia that like it too. I wonder if there would be interest in making it the default display for Novelist content.
15:33 mmorgan bshum: I personally had nothing to do with it :) but will connect you
15:35 jeff csharp: seek a common thread among the reporting patrons. also, keep an open mind to the possibility that this isn't a sudden new issue, and might not have been caused by any change on your end. :-)
15:36 jeff even though it's reporting on something which I need to then investigate and fix, the fact that i just received the output of a diagnostic/QA report in my inbox makes me smile.
15:36 bshum mmorgan: Sweet!  Much appreciated.
15:41 csharp jeff: thanks
15:43 hopkinsju Quick question: Is there a reason for the lack of undelete option for items in the staff client? It happens from time to time that a library "accidentally" deletes an item.
15:46 tsbere hopkinsju: I think you can undelete bibs, but not volumes/copies, perhaps because there is no "parent" that also has to exist for a bib?
16:00 jeff hopkinsju: no specific reason that i know of, other than 1) no strong voiced desire for the feature and 2) as tsbere hinted at, there are lots of things that can get in the way of "undeleting" a copy/volume.
16:31 hopkinsju Thanks tsbere, jeff. I may have to submit a feature request. This has happened a couple times in the past week or two.
16:31 mllewellyn hopkinsju: you might want to include a mechanism so the call number is un-deleted, too.
16:32 mllewellyn at the same time.
16:33 mllewellyn I just had a case where an item "disappeared" even though it wasn't deleted, because the call number record was deleted.
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16:34 jeff that's a good report to have handy, but if it's still possible to delete a call number with an attached copy, that's probably worth a bug report also.
16:35 jeff ("report to have handy" being "report that tells you when you have not-deleted copies attached to deleted volumes")
16:36 hopkinsju Hmm. I agree
16:36 bshum I wonder if that's SQL schenanigans more than bug in the staff client.
16:36 bshum But I don't know what's being referred to specifically.
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16:42 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
16:43 bshum Huh
16:43 phasefx psql:950.data.seed-values.sql:5019: ERROR:  VALUES lists must all be the same length
16:43 phasefx LINE 2124: ,('circ.use_lost_paid_copy_status',
16:45 jeff tests++
16:52 Dyrcona Actually, I can fix that right quick.
16:52 Dyrcona It's missing a ", null" at the end of the arguments.
16:55 Dyrcona Any one have a problem with me pushing it?
16:55 Dyrcona Or, do you prefer a branch?
16:55 phasefx not I
16:56 Dyrcona I'll push it. It can't get worse, can it? ;)
16:57 Dyrcona Looks like there is another one: psql:950.data.seed-values.sql:5048: ERROR:  insert or update on table "org_unit_setting_type_log" violates foreign key constraint "org_unit_setting_type_log_field_name_fkey" DETAIL:  Key (field_name)=(circ.booking_re​servation.default_elbow_room) is not present in table "org_unit_setting_type".
16:57 Dyrcona Or is that fallout from the above?
16:58 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] Fix 950.data.seed-values.sql. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f8ee081>
16:58 jeff fallout was my first guess.
16:59 Dyrcona Well, it is a different insert statement, so I'm less sure.
16:59 Dyrcona Oh.... never mind.
16:59 Dyrcona The whole first insert failed, so yeah, probably fall out.
17:00 * jeff nods
17:00 Dyrcona I feel like I've been inside a pin ball machine today, bouncing from one thing to another.
17:00 Dyrcona Anyway, time to go home.
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17:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Forward-port 2.5.6 upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c31c66e>
17:26 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Forward-port 2.6.2 upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1eaa465>
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