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05:20 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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08:52 krvmga now i'm back on the problem of the Place Hold link showing up in the staff client for electronic resources (like overdrive).
08:53 krvmga hbrennan suggested yesterday to look at the copy locations editor. i did. there's nothing because there is no copy to have a location.
08:53 krvmga so there's no location and there's no copy even if there was a location.
08:54 krvmga tsbere suggests checking to see if the staff have PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD permission. i'm doing that now.
09:04 krvmga yes, staff have permission for PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD. i would think that this was the culprit except that i see that system users, in general, also have this permission and yet the Place Hold doesn't appear in the OPAC for electronic resources.
09:04 krvmga only in the staff client
09:04 csharp krvmga: I think that's the way PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD works - it looks to see if you're logged into the staff client
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09:06 krvmga csharp: ic. interesting.
09:06 csharp since you mentioned that, it sounds to me that PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD is the answer to your mystery
09:07 csharp because it allows you to place a hold on a title even if there are no eligible copies
09:07 csharp (in the hopes that one day, ONE DAY, there may be a copy to fill my hold, so help you God)
09:08 krvmga csharp: if it works the way you said, this makes sense. the person at cwmars who would know the most about this is on vacation right now. tspindler thinks there was some good reason we gave this permission to staff but is not sure what it was.
09:09 krvmga the issue we'll have to face here is that some library staff are getting confused about it.
09:09 krvmga tsbere++
09:09 csharp krvmga: yeah, staff need it
09:09 kmlussier krvmga: My guess is that you gave that permission so that they could place holds on age protected items.
09:09 krvmga csharp++
09:09 csharp exactly
09:10 krvmga kmlussier: you mean copy level holds?
09:10 csharp we didn't grant it to staff after our 2.3 upgrade last year and got tickets nearly immediately
09:10 kmlussier No, not copy level holds.
09:10 krvmga you can place title holds on age protected items in the opac
09:10 csharp though it does sound like we need an enhancement to the logic to exclude items that will *never* have copies
09:10 krvmga is that also related to the PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLDS permission?
09:10 kmlussier krvmga: That's because your users have that permission
09:11 krvmga kmlussier: that's what i thought.
09:11 csharp s/items/bibs/
09:11 krvmga csharp: i agree about the logic
09:11 kmlussier So let's say you have a record with three copies that are all age protected. They may not be eligible to fill a hold for a particular patron, but they will be eligible in another month, so you don't want to turn that patron away from placing the hold.
09:12 csharp not sure how those would be identifiable from a coding logic perspective though
09:12 * kmlussier concurs with changing the logic.
09:12 kmlussier Sounds like a Wishlist request. :)
09:12 csharp krvmga: want to open a bug ticket on it? ;-)
09:13 krvmga csharp: i will write it up and put it on launchpad.
09:13 csharp and as far as staff go, "don't press that button!" might be the only approach at the moment
09:14 krvmga csharp: lol, i just said something very similar to tspindler two minutes ago :)
09:14 csharp :-D
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09:23 * csharp kills a long-running report with the name "TEST OMGS"
09:23 jeff it can be useful to have some reporting on holds on bibs that have located uris, or reporting on holds on bibs with no copies
09:24 csharp the "You Ain't Never Gonna Get that Book" report
09:26 tsbere csharp / krvmga / kmlussier: I think age protected items allow hold overrides without the place unfillable permission. At the very least I don't recall anything looking for permissions on that one.
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09:27 tsbere (made more obvious by the fact patrons can still place those holds when the system doesn't check that perm unless you are staff)
09:28 krvmga tsbere: so, despite this looking like the culprit, you're suggesting that it's not?
09:28 krvmga CSI Evergreen
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09:29 tsbere krvmga: I am saying "granting that permission is not needed for age protected hold placement" - That doesn't mean there isn't a good reason otherwise. "New books are not holdable but not via age protection, and we want staff to be able to place holds on them anyway" for example.
09:29 krvmga the actual case is that, for an Overdrive title, the Place Hold link doesn't appear in the public OPAC but, for the same Overdrive title, the Place Hold link will appear in the staff client.
09:30 tsbere The permission in question is "I don't care what the bib is, how many copies (if any), what those copies say, etc, give staff the option of placing the hold anyway" - So yes, Overdrive titles will get a place hold link, and staff will be able to use it.
09:31 krvmga ok, so it's still worth putting it on launchpad.
09:31 krvmga book him, danno.
09:31 kmlussier Bug 1194860 is what made me think the Place Unfillable Hold permission was required for age protected items.
09:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1194860 in Evergreen ""You have permission to override some of the failed holds." appearing when it should not for patrons in the OPAC" (affected: 6, heat: 26) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194860
09:32 krvmga wow, i just realized how old that reference was.
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10:14 krvmga https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1334684
10:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1334684 in Evergreen "logic changes in place unfillable holds needed" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
10:18 krvmga i thought there had been some development to strip out trailing spaces (or other invisible characters) from barcode pastes from the opac into staff client item status. is this ringing a bell for anyone?
10:19 kmlussier I recall stripping spaces at checkout and maybe even checkin, but not item status.
10:19 mmorgan Me too. I remember thinking it would be useful for item status as well.
10:21 krvmga kmlussier: that must be what i was recalling.
10:21 krvmga could this be related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1028544
10:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1028544 in Evergreen 2.4 "Util.js trim doesn't do what it says." (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Triaged]
10:21 kmlussier krvmga: I think DPearl1 did that work, so you can check with him.
10:28 kmlussier Guess I was wrong. And it looks like it was only checkout. bug 1197050
10:28 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1197050 in Evergreen "Trim away whitespace from barcodes" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197050
10:28 krvmga https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1334689
10:28 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1334689 in Evergreen "trailing spaces not trimmed from barcode pastes in item status" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
10:29 krvmga i posted that so that it would be on record for Dan to look at
10:29 kmlussier krvmga: Also see https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1332651 that was just recently submitted.
10:29 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1332651 in Evergreen "Screens are inconsistent when there is a space within the barcode of items or patrons" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
10:30 kmlussier It looks like some community discussion is warranted.
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10:32 krvmga kmlussier: i thought that dpearl had done some development that solved 1332651
10:32 krvmga i'll have to check.
10:32 kmlussier krvmga: I'm also inclined to mark your new one as a duplicate since it seems the best outcome of Callender's bug report is to make a decision on spacing in barcodes and then to have each of these interfaces comply with that decision.
10:33 kmlussier krvmga: In looking at the old bug reports, DPearl's code stripped spaces at login. There is still a lot of inconsistency in Evergreen.
10:34 krvmga kmlussier: i thought callendar's bug report was talking about internal spaces. maybe the two should be combined.
10:34 Callender yes, it was
10:35 Callender I think trimming beginning and trailing spaces is ok, but some libraries use spaces within barcodes, and trimming those on some screens causes bad things
10:35 Callender so barcodes are allowed to be entered with spaces in them, but then none of the search screens allow spaces when searching for them.. so you can never find them
10:35 kmlussier Ah, ok. Then krvmga's bug report is a little different.
10:35 krvmga I think that solving one of these doesn't solve the other.
10:35 * kmlussier concurs.
10:36 krvmga krvmga agrees with kmlussier that community discussion is called for.
10:47 mmorgan I find that when entering a barcode with spaces in the copy editor, the spaces are stripped out. I didn't think it was possible to save a barcode with spaces.
10:55 jeff The behavior has changed over time, and can be inconsistent between different interfaces or different types of barcodes. Also, migrations especially can introduce/preserve spaces.
10:58 mmorgan In our previous system, we had a mix of barcodes with spaces and without. When we migrated, we decided to strip out all spaces because we could not see a way to save a barcode with a space.
10:58 mmorgan Are there still some interfaces in the client that allow barcodes with spaces?
11:05 mmorgan ... storing barcodes with spaces, that is.
11:12 Callender the patron editor allows barcodes to be saved with spaces within them, but the patron search will strip them
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11:43 jeff That moment when you're excited about and investigating a product and interested in working with the vendor to make it work well with your environment... and then you get an initial quote and the excitement ends.
12:01 hopkinsju I love this wording from the default 500 error page: "Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error."
12:01 hopkinsju In other words "WHAT DID YOU DO?"
12:15 jeffdavis All errors are the user's fault, for a sufficiently broad definition of "user".
12:16 jeffdavis And, for that matter, of "fault".
12:19 bshum Heh
12:33 krvmga jeffdavis: this reminded me of 2+2=5 for very large values of 2.
12:37 jeffdavis :)
12:44 kmlussier I noticed that somebody changed some of the org unit names for the demo system at demo.evergreencatalog.com. I'm assuming the person who did it didn't have access to run autogen. Does that mean we might see some odd behavior there?
12:45 bshum kmlussier: Potentially.  Though that is a fun question... as to how often the demo system is reset nowadays
12:46 kmlussier bshum: I asked that question a month or two ago, and my impression was that it wasn't being reset very often.
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12:55 kmlussier So I am seeing some unexpected behavior on the demo system. I'm not sure if it's the autogen issue, but is there any chance somebody at ESI could reset the demo system sometime in the near future? :)
12:56 kmlussier I was using it to get some DIG work done. I can use Dyrcona's server, but, since remington's July 1 deadline is looming, there might be other DIG folks who need it.
12:58 * jeff tries to remember why some copies have no active_date
12:58 bshum Maybe they aren't active yet.
12:58 kmlussier Oh wait. The odd behavior was user error. Oops.
12:59 kmlussier It helps if kmlussier enters the correct search terms.
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13:19 kmlussier eeevil: In the release notes for bug 1271630, you say that located URI's now uses the same sorting algorithm as copies. Does that mean I should expect the preferred library's copy to float to the top? If so, I don't see that happening.
13:19 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1271630 in Evergreen "Allow Located URIs to supply copy-like visibility to bibs" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271630
13:19 kmlussier I'm finishing up documentation for the new Located URI functionality, and I just want to make sure I understand how preferred library works with it.
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13:53 bshum t
13:54 eeevil kmlussier: I'll look in a moment and verify or clarify
14:11 eeevil @later tell kmlussier if you mean on the record detail page, yes, you should see the search-context-owned located URIs first, then pref_ou-owned located URIs listed second, then prox-ordered ones. that's the same way copies (well, actually, volumes) sort on the record detail page. they use the same logic.  Here's the thing, though ... the located URI has to be owned by /exactly/ the prefered OU. if they are owned by the system and you pref and
14:11 eeevil search OU are a branch, they'll sort by proximity
14:11 pinesol_green eeevil: The operation succeeded.
14:12 eeevil @later tell kmlussier and to be clear, the same would be true for volumes owned by a system, WRT actual copy sorting
14:12 pinesol_green eeevil: The operation succeeded.
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14:26 frank____ hi all, when I run the autogen.sh -u command, and I got the org_unit_proximity empty, It's not normal right?,
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15:02 hopkinsju We're seeing a really puzzling situation after upgrading to 2.6.1 - vandelay isn't allowing us to import records. After uploading a marc file, we are taken to the import queue, which is empty (shows 0 records). We see this in the postgres logs: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/68
15:02 hopkinsju Strangely, if I don't supply a queue name, it *does* work - the import queue appears with the imported records.
15:02 hopkinsju Unfortunately we've found this and one more issue since yesterday bshum
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15:04 hopkinsju Looking at the functions involved, vandelay.match_bib_record() calls oils_xpath_string(). When we did the database upgrade we actually just did a pg_dump of our 9.1 database, then 'psql < 'd it into our empty 9.2 database.
15:04 bshum hopkinsju: Maybe a search path problem
15:04 hopkinsju We had a couple errors during that apparently. they went to the screen but didn't get piped into the output log
15:04 hopkinsju bshum: Yeah, we've run into that before. Since our db has it's roots in a 1.6.9 database, something like this comes up again and again.
15:04 hopkinsju \df+ shows oils_xpath_string() 4 times
15:05 hopkinsju db import errors http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/69
15:05 bshum hopkinsju: What we did when we copied our DB from 9.1 to 9.3 was to create the base DB and then set search_path, etc. prior to running the restore.
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15:19 eeevil frank____: you only need to use autogen at all when you change the hierarchy or name of an OU or the like. you never need -u ever anymore (assuming modern evergreen)
15:21 frank____ ok ok, thanks :D
15:22 eeevil bshum: right. you're just putting up a fence to stop the 2.5 version from leaking forward
15:23 bshum Calling 0882 and 0883 then
15:24 bshum Also, eeevil++ # people here have been super happy today when I pushed the fix to production :)
15:29 eeevil bshum: great! if only I had tuits to look for the most direct fix for /all/ the db bugs... ;)
15:29 eeevil (not that I'd always find such, but I do wish I could bury myself in the db and just clean stuff up)
15:46 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#925776: Recheck located uri visibility - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a61c0c4>
15:46 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#925776 Adding upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=55520fd>
15:46 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#925776 Stamping upgrade script for staff uri visibility - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2c2df1e>
15:46 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#925776 Add placeholder script for backport to 2.5 for function staff uri visibility - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b4af2fb>
15:49 hopkinsju On another topic - one of our users believes that some parts have disappeared from her items. That is, she recalls cataloging the magazines with parts, but now that she goes back to it most of the parts (but not all) are missing.
15:50 hopkinsju Turns out, what seems to have happened, is that a user at another library decided (since they didn't have any issues of Better Homes & Gardens older than Jan 2014) to go into Manage Parts and delete the "unneeded" ones.
15:50 hopkinsju That of course, stripped the parts from already cataloged items at other libraries.
15:50 pinesol_green Showing latest 5 of 8 commits to Evergreen...
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 TPAC add missing metabib filter label - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e26df3d>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 TPAC replace aria-label with title - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7f7ed3c>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 Additional TPAC facets structure markup - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d8d6a52>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 Remove duplicate title attributes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=189be48>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 improved TPAC jacket alt text - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5131474>
15:51 hopkinsju I'd like to submit this to launchpad, but I wanted to bring it up here first: Shouldn't we put a permission in place to keep users from deleting parts when they are in use?
15:55 phasefx2 an overridable event (with associated password)
15:57 hopkinsju Absolutely.
15:57 tsbere I would prefer that parts get a "deleted" flag - at least then part holds don't break every interface that loads them when someone does wipe a part out. <_<
15:57 tsbere That would also let us "undelete" them
15:57 hopkinsju That's true, I did notice that bug tsbere
15:57 phasefx2 oh, we you said strip, I thought it was deleting the copy part maps too
15:57 jeff You do NOT want to lose this item: http://i.imgur.com/1Wmcju2.png
15:58 hopkinsju But I think that even then - with a deleted flag - we should still require elevation
15:58 hopkinsju or confirmation
15:59 hopkinsju phasefx2: I'm not sure whether it deletes it from the map or not - I just assumed that a trigger would fire to clean that up after the part was blown away, but in any case, the *display* of the part is stripped from the item
15:59 tsbere phasefx2 / hopkinsju: Due to foreign key relationships I believe the maps go away as well when the part gets deleted
15:59 hopkinsju jeff: Imagine what that'd be worth if it were in mint condition
16:02 phasefx2 but holds don't have f/k so yeah, bro-ack
16:02 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] LP#1326149 Use a TPAC-settable TIME_FORMAT for local time formats - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3e5d269>
16:04 egbuilder build #637 of evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86 is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builde​rs/evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86/builds/637  blamelist: Bill Erickson <berick@esilibrary.com>
16:04 egbuilder build #605 of evergreen-master-fedora-18 is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/bu​ilders/evergreen-master-fedora-18/builds/605  blamelist: Bill Erickson <berick@esilibrary.com>
16:05 bshum Uh oh
16:06 tsbere Looks like a missing %] on the multiple line in filter_group_selector.tt2
16:06 bshum Doh
16:06 tsbere Or rather, that someone put a ; instead of a %]
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16:08 * tsbere doesn't know what the changeset is and supposes it could have been a removed line that used to contain the %]
16:12 dbwells looks like 7e4e9d669 is the culprit
16:12 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1301599 TPAC advanced search additional labels - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7e4e9d6>
16:14 tsbere Hmmm. Multiple ways to fix that one.
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16:19 bshum Hmm
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16:35 yboston I would like a small code change to make it into 2.6.x ( bug 1152863 ) is dbwells the only person I should be talking to?
16:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1152863 in Evergreen "Support for traditional Boolean operators" (affected: 4, heat: 26) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1152863
16:35 kmlussier yboston: It's too late for 2.6
16:35 kmlussier It's a new feature.
16:35 kmlussier yboston: We hope to get that code worked out in time for 2.7, though.
16:35 yboston wrong bug number; bug 1327284
16:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1327284 in Evergreen "Display "Imported As" in Vandelay queue" (affected: 7, heat: 36) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327284
16:36 yboston (sorry)
16:36 tsbere Ok, that latter bug is a small change. The other one is not. ;)
16:37 kmlussier Heh
16:42 bshum It's not a big change.  But personally I still favor that towards 2.7 and not to be backported because it's a string change.
16:42 bshum But that's just my opinion.
16:43 * bshum defers to the wisdom of the 2.6 RM though to make that call.
16:44 yboston bshum: thanks for the feedback, but that little string change is something that was sorely needed by many catalogers
16:48 yboston bshum: what can I do to lobby to get it in 2.7? I don't think it is in master yet, unless my Git searching skills are not good enough
16:48 bshum Well, like I said, I'm just one opinion.  But no matter how small a change it is, exceptions to adding features after a major series has been released ought to be considered super carefully.
16:48 bshum yboston: Oh if you want it in 2.7, I can pick it into master right now ;)
16:48 yboston bshum: oh, for the record, we consider this a bug
16:48 bshum It hasn't been pushed yet
16:49 yboston not a new feature
16:50 bshum Well, I view it as a new feature since it wasn't there before (broken or otherwise).
16:50 bshum Bugs I generally classify as stuff that was there but broken :)
16:50 yboston bshum: that is fine defintiion to follow
16:50 yboston *is a fine
16:51 yboston bshum: I will follow this approach, can we put it in 2.7 when you have time (since you are the 2.7 RM)?
16:52 bshum yboston: Sure, I was going to work on reviewing new feature LP bugs after I got back from ALA next week.
16:52 yboston bshum: cool
16:52 kmlussier FWIW, any core committer could put it in 2.7. Not just the RM.
16:53 bshum The first 2.7 alpha is scheduled for July 10
16:53 bshum So we have to poke at the new features soon anyways.
16:53 bshum And yes, kmlussier is correct that any core committer can push reviewed work.
16:54 yboston kmlussier: thanks, I got myself mixed up becuase it was a core committer that created the change and he did nto add it immediatly. made me think he had to wait for someone else.
16:55 yboston I think the problem was that I took to long to create the sign-off branch at the time
16:55 yboston *too
16:55 bshum Eh, not necessarily yboston.  It probably just got buried in the mix of all the other stuff going on.
16:56 bshum Plus, for "new features" my general feeling was always to wait 7 days before committing the code anyways.
16:56 yboston good to know
16:56 bshum To give some review time for other community member input.
16:57 yboston thabks for the explenation, makes total sense, specially for more complex changes
17:02 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:05 bshum I have to run along home, but I'll try and see what we can do to fix that broken syntax later :\
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17:19 hopkinsju Has anyone here encountered a 500 server error when trying the "Show More Details" button in the OPAC?
17:19 hopkinsju 2014-06-26 16:18:40 CDT ERROR:  invalid input syntax for integer: "" at character 64
17:19 hopkinsju 2014-06-26 16:18:40 CDT STATEMENT:  SELECT * FROM actor.org_unit_ancestor_setting( 'lib.info_url', '' ) AS "actor.org_unit_ancestor_setting" ;
17:31 bshum hopkinsju: It looks like a problem with some of your org units
17:31 bshum Like 150 - Carthage Public Library
17:34 bshum Funny though, it's not consistently borked, cause record looks like it works
17:34 bshum It reminds of what we were trying to fix with 462a352a44553f4815536c9de595570685bfcd83 where the variables in the template were goofy
17:34 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] Fix copy_info variables one last time for library_name_link purposes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=462a352>
17:35 bshum Either it's a problem with the actual org unit settings, or there's something else awry
17:35 jeffdavis If I had a Carthage Public Library in my consortium, I would want them to leave, so that I could make Roman history jokes about removing their data.
17:37 bshum Interesting
17:37 bshum Maybe it's transcendent records
17:38 bshum Nope
17:38 bshum Just random
17:38 bshum Okay, really running home :)
17:39 bshum hopkinsju: Good luck, you got a head scratcher there... I'd dig deeper at your apache logs and see what the internal server error says.  Maybe it'll offer some pointers.
17:45 * hopkinsju returns!
17:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Fix syntax in filter_group_selector.tt2 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=00aa874>
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18:04 egbuilder build #639 of evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builde​rs/evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86/builds/639
18:04 egbuilder build #607 of evergreen-master-fedora-18 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/bu​ilders/evergreen-master-fedora-18/builds/607
18:51 RBecker Of course.
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