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pinesol_green |
Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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* Guest15489 |
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Guest15489 |
doh |
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csharp |
there we go |
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jeff |
csharp: welcome back. try not to get sand all over the place, eh? |
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csharp |
jeff++ |
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tsbere |
Vacations are wonderful while you are still on vacation. Coming back, on the other hand... |
| 09:51 |
csharp |
tsbere: no doubt |
| 09:51 |
* tsbere |
apparently has a list of things to do for getting ACQ working somewhere, but isn't sure what that list actuall entails right now or where he is supposed to be making it work yet |
| 09:54 |
csharp |
I have an ACQ to-do list myself. I'll probably be chattering in here about it soon ;-) |
| 09:55 |
kmlussier |
tsbere: I can tell you what the list entails. ;) |
| 09:55 |
tsbere |
csharp: Ahhh, but I get the feeling you have been involved in ACQ-related things. I just came off of vacation, and the person who was doing the ACQ stuff just went on vacation, and now I apparently have to deal with the pieces he didn't or had issues with......without having been involved in the process before now. >_> |
| 09:57 |
tsbere |
kmlussier: Given that I appear to have a pile of emails that don't give me a good picture that might be a good idea. |
| 10:06 |
csharp |
tsbere: yeah, I'm kind of figuring out as I go, but I've been doing it for months now, yes |
| 10:07 |
csharp |
I'm working with someone who really understands the whole process from the library end, so that helps |
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jl- |
jcamins: hi |
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* kmlussier |
still owes PINES an e-mail regarding acq. |
| 10:38 |
csharp |
kmlussier: received ;-) |
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* dbs |
sighs at an email from a librarian who issues patrons book barcodes instead of patron barcodes because they didn't bother to ask for a supply of patron barcodes :/ |
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csharp |
yowza |
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dbs |
@scalia local solutions |
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pinesol_green |
dbs: http://images.cryhavok.org/d/1291-1/Computer+Rage.gif |
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gmcharlt |
dbs: let me guess, their next request is going to be Community Info MARC Format support? |
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csharp |
@karma BIBFRAME |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: BIBFRAME has neutral karma. |
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gsams |
bshum: looks like stepping it an extra day back is the best and easiest fix. |
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kmlussier |
I'm looking at the docs for marking items long overdue - http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.6/_mark_an_item_long_overdue.html. It says "Optionally the patron can be billed for the item price..." But I'm not seeing where that option is set. |
| 12:44 |
hbrennan |
That's a Circ Policy thing isn't is? There's a spot for Max Fine Rules there |
| 12:45 |
hbrennan |
I don't know where the rule is created though, to get it in the drop-down |
| 12:45 |
kmlussier |
hbrennan: No, I don't think so. Long overdue processing is set to automatically charge the item price when an item is marked long overdue. We don't want it to do that. |
| 12:46 |
jeff |
kmlussier: other than by using the new min/max item charge functionality, i don't think that there is a way to prevent long overdue from billing at least the price (or default price) of the item. the processing fee is optional... |
| 12:46 |
hbrennan |
ahh |
| 12:46 |
jeff |
and fwiw, i believe said min/max settings would also affect Lost as well. |
| 12:46 |
kmlussier |
jeff: Yeah, I was just looking at that solution. But then it would prevent fees for being charged for lost. Ah, you beat me to it. |
| 12:46 |
jeff |
the fact that some libraries use Lost and some use Long Overdue for different things is probably problematic. |
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kmlussier |
OK, so then is it safe to say the docs are wrong? |
| 12:48 |
kmlussier |
If so, it's unfortunate because we probably would have included that option way back when we started our billing development project. |
| 12:48 |
jeff |
with the usual disclaimer that i could be wrong, the docs you quoted do not match the code in master. |
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* kmlussier |
thinks jeff is right. |
| 12:49 |
jeff |
billing-wise, what do you want long overdue to do? |
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* tsbere |
looks at the code and thinks it wouldn't be hard to add an OU setting to accomplish it |
| 12:51 |
kmlussier |
This is for NOBLE. They don't want long overdue to do anything billing-wise. They want the items to change to a different status, they want to be able to apply a stronger penalty for long overdue items, and they want to send a new notice. But they don't want to bill until the item has been reported as lost. |
| 12:51 |
kmlussier |
Is that right mmorgan? |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
tsbere: that was my thought as well, which is why i asked kmlussier what behavior she was looking for. :-) |
| 12:52 |
kmlussier |
I think they want long overdue to do everything it does except bill. :) |
| 12:52 |
tsbere |
jeff: I was thinking "new arg for ou setting to check if we *should* bill, add it to set_item_long_overdue, bill automatically if the arg isn't set to keep lost working the same regardless, then add the ou setting to the system" |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
reasonable. my thought was to add a new ous_ prefixed argument to the set_item_lost_or_lod call, and let that sub do the OU setting lookup, since that's where the other lookups are done currently. |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
kmlussier: sounds like a wishlist! |
| 12:56 |
tsbere |
jeff: That is basically what I was thinking, with the catch of "if the ous_whatever arg isn't set, bill by default" |
| 12:59 |
jeff |
right |
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mmorgan |
Just to follow up on the long overdue issue, we want to make use of the status change on the item so that we can use the long overdue patron penalty. |
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jeff |
mmorgan: but you have no interest in the act of marking an item "long overdue" doing anything related to billing, right? No voiding/forgiving of overdues, no billing for the price of the item, etc? |
| 15:02 |
mmorgan |
jeff: Exactly. No billing. Just informational for staff and patrons. And a block. |
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* jeff |
nods |
| 15:02 |
jeff |
got it |
| 15:02 |
mmorgan |
We don't want the system to bill anything until we can be sure we don't get negative balances. |
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* jeff |
nods |
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kmlussier |
Darn! Just an hour away from getting through my day with no mention of negative balances. ;) |
| 15:04 |
mmorgan |
Oops, sorry :-[ |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
just don't take the square root... |
| 15:13 |
mmorgan |
Some days I feel like I might just try that :) |
| 15:14 |
jeff |
...or stare too long into the void |
| 15:18 |
csharp |
@eightball Is the bad juju from the full moon on Friday the 13th still lingering on Monday the 16th? |
| 15:18 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: No clue. |
| 15:19 |
jeff |
csharp: have you examined actor.hours_of_odd_operation for clues? |
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berick |
kmlussier: maybe if you called them something friendlier.. like Positive Surpluses™! they'd be more fun to talk about. |
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kmlussier |
berick: I might just try that. Anything to liven up the work week. |
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kmlussier |
csharp: I think Mercury is an retrograde for the rest of the month. I don't exactly know what that means, but I know it involves bad juju. |
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jeff |
6243-09-01 05:00:00+00 |
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kmlussier |
Is that a due date? |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
payment timestamp :-) |
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kmlussier |
Wow - impressive! |
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jeff |
this region is popular with time travelers. |
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mmorgan |
You should insist on interest with that! |
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bradl |
dunno, they may pay in some funny money |
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jeff |
bradl: we accept AmericanDiscoverMasterVisaExchange, bitcoin, and dogecoin. |
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jeff |
bradl: and imperial standard credits, of course. |
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gmcharlt |
jeff: what about Triganic Ningis? |
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csharp |
@timelord |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shell script! |
| 16:06 |
gmcharlt |
... |
| 16:07 |
gmcharlt |
well, the Master is a Time Lord too, but still seems a little extreme |
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kmlussier |
Heh |
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* csharp |
needs to learn how to code supybot plugins so he can add @timelord and @fix |
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csharp |
"@fix" would just fix whatever problem you tell it to fix |
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kmlussier |
What would be the response for @timelord? |
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csharp |
probably some choice Doctor Who quotes? |
| 16:09 |
gmcharlt |
or episode titles |
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mmorgan |
... or a randomly selected Doctor incarnation |
| 16:10 |
kmlussier |
It should be easy enough to modify one of the supybot plugins out there to do that. |
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csharp |
yeah, I think so too |
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* csharp |
still dreams about the "Fix" button in Evergreen that would apply a server-side patch to fix the problem you encounter |
| 16:12 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: you DO like to live dangerously! |
| 16:12 |
gmcharlt |
;) |
| 16:12 |
csharp |
and the optional "I'm Feeling Lucky" that would apply a random patch from master |
| 16:12 |
gmcharlt |
lol |
| 16:13 |
csharp |
live testing in the field! |
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tsbere |
csharp: Dependency issues on the random patch might be a bit annoying. "Oh, yea, that changes the function call made there, but you don't have the patch that *added* function....." ;) |
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csharp |
haha |
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* csharp |
rubs hands together in fiendish glee |
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* gmcharlt |
backs away... slowly... |
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rangi |
heh |
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* gmcharlt |
is not sure if it's a good thing that it would be pretty easy, all things considered, to implement csharp's button in Koha |
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bradl |
gmcharlt: with that button, Koha could increase their install ratio from 5 to 10 for each Evergreen install!! Think of the possbilities! /me ducks and runs |
| 16:23 |
gmcharlt |
heh |
| 16:24 |
bradl |
personally, I blame it all on rangi's New Zealand snack food junket out here |
| 16:24 |
rangi |
:) |
| 16:25 |
gmcharlt |
chocolate fish for everybody! |
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bradl |
nah, those pineapple things! |
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* kmlussier |
now wants to try chocolate fish. |
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rangi |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chocolate_fish if you have had a marshmallow easter egg, you pretty much already have |
| 16:37 |
kmlussier |
rangi: Ah, ok. I like those, but I vote for you bringing the pineapple things again the next time you visit these parts. :) |
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rangi |
noted |
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