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@coffee |
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csharp |
@weather 30345 |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The current temperature in Lakeside, Atlanta, Georgia is 60.6°F (9:30 AM EDT on April 01, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 41.0°F. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
09:34 |
csharp |
ahhhh that's better |
09:34 |
kmlussier |
Nice! |
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10:16 |
rfrasur |
So, in the reports interface, if you go to the "reports" folder and click on a list, the reports reference a template number...but then in the template folder, that number is not displayed. So, is there a way, outside of SQL, to pair those up? |
10:16 |
rfrasur |
(how many times can YOU use "reports" in a sentence?) |
10:17 |
dbs |
rfrasur: mebbe you can write a report to generate the list of templates & their IDs? half-serious :) |
10:17 |
rfrasur |
dbs: :-| |
10:19 |
rfrasur |
I think it'd be tempting fate to attempt to write that report. |
10:26 |
rfrasur |
@eightball Is there a way to determine which template was used for which report based off of the information provided in the reports interface? |
10:26 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: One would be wise to think so. |
10:29 |
collum |
Interesting http://iii.com/polaris |
10:30 |
rfrasur |
Ugh. |
10:31 |
dbs |
collum: April Fools? |
10:31 |
* rfrasur |
hopes so. |
10:31 |
dbs |
Probably not though. |
10:32 |
* _bott_ |
didn't realize they had a sense of humor |
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10:33 |
rfrasur |
It's a very well planned joke if it's a joke. |
10:33 |
collum |
I don't think so. |
10:33 |
collum |
I mean. I think it's real. |
10:34 |
rfrasur |
I think you're right. |
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10:50 |
csharp |
rfrasur: what's your use case for pairing the templates + ids? |
10:54 |
rfrasur |
I have a recurring report that's in the report folder, but I wanted to rebuild the report based off of the original template. The template ID for the report is 11529. I don't, however, see any ID # in the template lists. |
10:56 |
csharp |
interesting |
10:58 |
rfrasur |
I think (based on no real information whatsoever) that it'd be pretty easy to match up with SQL, but I don't have access to that...and I think (again based on no real information whatsoever) that it should be a pretty simple (right?) thing to add in? |
10:59 |
kmlussier |
If there is a template ID in the reports interface, then I think it would be nice if you could just click on the ID to retrieve the template. |
11:00 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier++ #even better |
11:00 |
rfrasur |
(rather than me going back and forth visually matching up numbers I've written down on a piece of paper) |
11:03 |
pastebot |
"csharp" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "report of templates with IDs for rfrasur" (11 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/40 |
11:04 |
csharp |
rfrasur: just create a template following those paths, enter your barcode, boom |
11:05 |
rfrasur |
o...k. I'll give it a try. Oh, that makes sense. Duh. Thank you. |
11:05 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ |
11:06 |
csharp |
hope it works for you |
11:06 |
rfrasur |
I'll let you know. |
11:18 |
eby |
dbs: the joke is on the customer every day going forward |
11:19 |
dbs |
eby++ |
11:19 |
rfrasur |
eby++ |
11:25 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ #it worked |
11:30 |
kmlussier |
eby++ |
11:32 |
csharp |
rfrasur: great! |
11:32 |
rfrasur |
:D |
11:33 |
csharp |
you could get fancier and run off the reports source, linking to templates - that way you'd see the templates whether or not they are owned by you |
11:34 |
csharp |
(as in the case of shared templates) |
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11:39 |
rfrasur |
csharp: I'm not sure "fancy" and I would get along real well. This worked...though I do like kmlussier's idea of having the ID number in the interface automatically linking to the originating template. |
11:41 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Sometime soon (2.next?), you should have the ability to edit that report directly instead of building it again from a template. We're about to sign a contract to get that development work done. |
11:41 |
dbs |
masslnc++ |
11:43 |
rfrasur |
masslnc++ kmlussier++ |
11:43 |
rfrasur |
and I like the 2.next |
11:48 |
kmlussier |
I would say masslnc deserves all the karma for that project. I just do what their libraries tell me is important to them. |
11:48 |
kmlussier |
And they're very good at telling me what they want, so it makes my job easy. :) |
11:49 |
rfrasur |
You get karma for "want wrangling." |
11:51 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier++ |
11:51 |
mmorgan |
masslnc wouldn't be masslnc without kmlussier! |
11:52 |
kmlussier |
Awwww shucks! Thank you mmorgan! |
11:53 |
* rfrasur |
remembers to eat breakfast. |
11:54 |
jeff |
knew i forgot something. |
11:55 |
* kmlussier |
had to stop and think to remember whether I ate breakfast or not. |
11:55 |
kmlussier |
I did. |
11:55 |
jeff |
breakfast++ |
11:55 |
kmlussier |
@dessert rfrasur |
11:55 |
* pinesol_green |
grabs a big dish of Tapioca Pudding and sends it sliding down the dessert bar to rfrasur |
11:55 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: You should have dessert for breakfast whenever you get the chance. |
11:55 |
jeff |
that command is just begging for a @desert variant to poke fun at typos |
11:56 |
kmlussier |
hmmmm |
11:57 |
rfrasur |
I got a little cupcake too. |
11:57 |
rfrasur |
and grapenuts...because grapenuts rule. |
11:59 |
rfrasur |
(with raisins...of course) |
12:01 |
kmlussier |
yboston: Have you made any decisions yet regarding the April DIG meeting? |
12:08 |
gsams |
late to this, but masslnc++ |
12:12 |
jl- |
@coffee |
12:12 |
* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya Ndiara Full Flavor Roast, and sends it sliding down the bar to jl- |
12:12 |
rfrasur |
hmm |
12:12 |
rfrasur |
@lunch |
12:12 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: Down time is a fact of business when you're a poor 501c3 corporation. |
12:13 |
* rfrasur |
rolls eyes |
12:13 |
kmlussier |
Heh |
12:14 |
jeff |
that "down time is a fact of business" has always bugged me a bit. |
12:14 |
jeff |
dunno. |
12:15 |
jeff |
(pun intended) |
12:15 |
rfrasur |
jeff++ |
12:15 |
jeff |
(because it's a @dunno entry -- and now i've explained the joke :P) |
12:15 |
rfrasur |
oh, I thought you were referring to bugs causing downtime. |
12:16 |
rfrasur |
triple meaning pun |
12:17 |
jeff |
nope, missed that one completely! |
12:17 |
rfrasur |
Oh well. Not like it's logged or anything :D |
12:18 |
Dyrcona |
@dunno |
12:18 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. |
12:18 |
rfrasur |
hehe |
12:20 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: I'll see about loading the original branch tonight. I still have it kicking around. |
12:21 |
jl- |
the dude abides |
12:21 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, new article in LJ under systems landscape about Open Source options. |
12:26 |
Dyrcona |
LJ = Library Journal? (Could be Linux Journal.) |
12:27 |
rfrasur |
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Library Journal. |
12:28 |
rfrasur |
<--small perspective at times. |
12:28 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: should I avoid #evergreen and #koha for the next month? |
12:29 |
rfrasur |
lol, no. |
12:30 |
rfrasur |
It's kind of a "state of the" article. |
12:32 |
csharp |
April 1 is the "ILS Review" issue |
12:32 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ #yes...sorry. Again, I also don't pay attention to covers. |
12:38 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not finding the article on the web site, but I'm not surprised. |
12:38 |
rfrasur |
I just got the magazine. |
12:43 |
rfrasur |
Hah, good question. Forking isn't necessarily bad, right? Isn't that the point of OSS? You can take something and build whatever the heck you want? |
12:43 |
graced |
I think the "fork" term is used because someone at KCLS uses it to self-describe what they've done. |
12:44 |
rfrasur |
If you want to continue developing in a similar direction with other entities, you necessarily have to stay closer to a master...but...yeah. |
12:44 |
rfrasur |
graced: that makes sense |
12:45 |
graced |
If you say you've got a fork, who am I to argue it's a spoon? |
12:45 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
12:45 |
* rfrasur |
prefers chopsticks. Can we have chopsticked software? |
12:45 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur++ |
12:46 |
rfrasur |
It'll be very gentle and follow confucian principles....and make people swear a lot. |
12:46 |
graced |
Can the software pop out a fortune cookie at the end of every transaction? |
12:46 |
rfrasur |
THAT....would be awesome. |
12:46 |
* graced |
needs to get eeevil on that |
12:46 |
Dyrcona |
graced: It could pop out a fortune rather easily. |
12:46 |
rfrasur |
and it could have pinesol_green quotes in the cookies. |
12:46 |
graced |
Feh. I want the cookie. :) |
12:47 |
dbs |
Forking isn't bad if the forked source is offered up. |
12:47 |
graced |
Dyrcona: I'm imagining the complaints now re: the quality of the fortunes... |
12:47 |
dbs |
It's not necessarily "bad" even if the forked source is not offered up, but it could be considered poor form. |
12:48 |
csharp |
well it's not really a fork *unless* the source is offered up, strictly speaking |
12:48 |
csharp |
at least not a public fork |
12:48 |
graced |
dbs: Last I spoke with KCLS most of what they're doing is specific to CentOS and they honestly didn't think anyone really cared |
12:48 |
Dyrcona |
CentOS-- |
12:49 |
graced |
And they realize they've been remiss in offering a public git repo and are planning to fix that soon-ish... |
12:49 |
Dyrcona |
They could have offered to maintain CentOS build files. |
12:49 |
graced |
indeed |
12:49 |
rfrasur |
meh, whatever. |
12:50 |
csharp |
@fortune |
12:50 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shell script! |
12:51 |
Dyrcona |
KCLS isn't required to share anything, though. |
12:51 |
rfrasur |
Truth, Dyrcona. |
12:54 |
csharp |
there are some GPL provisions that imply that source must be shared (if I understand correctly, and IANAL) |
12:54 |
Dyrcona |
charp: Only if you give people binaries. |
12:55 |
Dyrcona |
The GPL is lousy for web software, so the AGPL was created for that purpose. |
12:55 |
mtcarlson |
just to add a little context, we made a move to pull our support in house and have really been focusing on the environment (stability) this past year. unfortunately we didn't really "staff up" for all that included. One unfortunate outcome was not being having bandwidth for better communication on what we were doing locally |
12:55 |
* dbs |
wonders what the binaries would be for Template::Toolkit templates :) |
12:55 |
rfrasur |
mtcarlson++ |
12:56 |
dbs |
stability++ |
12:56 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Exactly. Most of Evergreen is "interpreted" code. |
12:56 |
graced |
mtcarlson: good to see you! |
12:57 |
Dyrcona |
Basically, if you distribute "binaries" you are required to make the source for those binaries available to the people to whom you distribute the binaries. |
12:57 |
Dyrcona |
If you use GPL software and don't distribute it to others, you can do what you like with your modifications. |
12:58 |
mtcarlson |
graced: thanks :) |
12:58 |
Dyrcona |
The AGPL says, if you use modified software on your website, you have to make the modifications available to the people who use your website. |
12:58 |
graced |
mtcarlson: planning to get a public repo up soon? |
12:59 |
dbs |
The GPL says nothing about "binaries" |
12:59 |
dbs |
executable and object code, yes. |
13:00 |
csharp |
speaking of Linux Journal, my e-copy is available - yay! |
13:00 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Those were usually binaries in the day. |
13:00 |
mtcarlson |
graced: someting along those lines yes, we're in process of building up our local team, with that will come more hours in the day, with more hours in the day...well you know how it goes |
13:00 |
dbs |
And making HTML and JavaScript available via HTTP is arguably distribution (possibly in a medium customarily used for software interchange) |
13:00 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: It's a license. Terms matter. |
13:01 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: I know that terms matter. I also know that it was written in an era of mostly C code. The AGPL also exists for a reason. |
13:01 |
rfrasur |
mtcarlson: As a point of curiousity and for more context, how many people/hours are hoping to be added? |
13:02 |
Dyrcona |
I also admit to not being a lawyer. :) |
13:03 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: Okay. I, too, am quite familiar with both the history of the GPL and the development of the AGPL. |
13:04 |
mtcarlson |
rfrasur: roughly the equivalent of 1 additional FTE, not sure how that looks in the end yet, possibly a bit more at times. |
13:04 |
dbs |
I'm saying that there has been some evolution in the thinking about the terms of "distribution" and "preferred form of the work for making modifications to it" that could be used even in the absence of the AGPL |
13:05 |
graced |
mtcarlson: maybe you can take a vacation now? |
13:05 |
rfrasur |
mtcarlson, I hope it goes well. In house support is a big deal and I can imagine it's been pretty overwhelming. |
13:05 |
Dyrcona |
I think a strong case could made that the HTML and JavaScript are not the code but the output of the code in the case of something like Evergreen. |
13:05 |
mtcarlson |
vacation++ |
13:05 |
csharp |
mtcarlson: yeah - if I or GPLS/PINES can help in any way, just ask ;-) |
13:05 |
Dyrcona |
But the result could vary widely by jurisdiction. |
13:06 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: yep |
13:06 |
graced |
mtcarlson: ditto what csharp said |
13:06 |
mtcarlson |
rfrasur: thanks |
13:06 |
* dbs |
can help with git wrangling, if mtcarlson needs it |
13:06 |
csharp |
dbs++ |
13:07 |
mtcarlson |
csharp: graced: thank you both dbs: will let you know, thanks |
13:08 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: I know we don't have old client code on the server, but I'm not sure how I would be able to tell if I have old client code on my PC. I could always reinstall the client from scratch if that helps. |
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13:17 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: I am reinstalling right now to check it out again. It's been almost a month already since I last looked at this, and a busy month at that. It's possible that a commit is missing from my public branch. |
13:18 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: OK, I'll hold off then. Thanks! |
13:37 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: ok, tried to recreate the $3.99 lost billing case, here is what I got: http://screencast.com/t/urv1F0q6 |
13:38 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: That's what I had hoped to see. :) |
13:38 |
kmlussier |
So the good news is we're on the same page. The bad news is I have to figure out why I'm seeing something different. |
13:38 |
dbwells |
yeah :) |
13:40 |
dbwells |
I only changed two setting for this test. "Void list item billing when returned" is true for CONS, "Prohibit negative balance on bills (DEFAULT)" is true for CONS. |
13:40 |
dbwells |
Set item price to $3.99, marked lost, paid $1.99, returned item |
13:40 |
kmlussier |
Yes, that's what I have. Well, the negative balance setting isn't for the consortium in my case. It's for the branch. |
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* kmlussier |
will need to focus on working with some other issues with Dyrcona and return to this question shortly. |
13:42 |
dbwells |
I can try that, but it seems unlikely. Your display is strange enough that it seems likely to be code from two different branches mixing in a bad way. |
13:53 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: good news, I did recreate the bug by putting the setting on the branch rather than CONS. Now to figure out why... |
13:54 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: Oh good! It's not just me then. |
13:55 |
rfrasur |
graced++ |
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* graced |
looks confused |
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14:01 |
rfrasur |
email...got it. |
14:02 |
graced |
rfrasur: Ah, good! I hope it was helpful. |
14:02 |
rfrasur |
tis |
14:02 |
graced |
Then I feel as if I have accomplished something worthwhile today. |
14:02 |
rfrasur |
;), more than one thing I'm sure |
14:04 |
graced |
Well, maybe two... |
14:04 |
rfrasur |
Maybe. |
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14:09 |
rjackson-isl |
Anyone supporting a library that still prints spine labels through the staff client - specifically using 2.5.x and the printer mentioned in the dated documentation: OKI Microline 320 Turbo printer? |
14:10 |
rjackson-isl |
Documentation is: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-user:printing_spine_labels |
14:11 |
rjackson-isl |
Library indicates not printing since upgrade and they have followed the documentation at link |
14:13 |
yboston |
MY library is on 2.5, but we use simple Dymo printers and I did not follow that wiki page, though some steps might be similar. |
14:14 |
rjackson-isl |
it is hard to provide assistance when you can't duplicate the environment! (IE: no printer...) |
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14:20 |
rfrasur |
(woohoo...new Overdrive circ record!) |
14:20 |
krvmga |
rfrasur: what is it? |
14:20 |
rfrasur |
Hah! 212 |
14:21 |
* krvmga |
notes that cwmars has hit (little finger to side of mouth) one million overdrive circs. |
14:21 |
rfrasur |
Oh, n/m. It's not a record. We had 260 in January. |
14:21 |
rfrasur |
;), we're not really a big deal. But we're cute. Right? |
14:22 |
krvmga |
rfrasur++ |
14:22 |
rfrasur |
But, we've had 3 straight months of 200+ circulations...so there's that. Which is kind of a big deal for us...since it's almost a trend. |
14:33 |
rfrasur |
And our wireless uses more than doubled since we upped the number of IPs that were available (and I turned off the P2P filter...:p) |
14:38 |
krvmga |
rfrasur: you can increase your wireless use (or at least the potential for it) by shortening the TTL of the IP assignments. |
14:39 |
krvmga |
sometimes these are set to one day by default! |
14:39 |
rfrasur |
I dunno what that means. You mean how long between when new leases are sent out? |
14:40 |
jihpringle |
rjackson-isl: we had some libraries using the OLKI Microline when we upgraded to 2.4 and the end result was they had to buy new spine label printer |
14:40 |
krvmga |
yes, the length of time that an IP address will remain assigned. |
14:40 |
rfrasur |
krvmga: I did change that, and that's probably part of it as well. It was set at 12 hours. I changed it to 1 hour. |
14:40 |
krvmga |
if your library has a time constraint on how long a patron can be on an internet machine, you might just want to set the wireless to be the same. |
14:40 |
rfrasur |
Which was a little agressive...but...that's how I roll. |
14:40 |
krvmga |
at ours it was three. |
14:41 |
rjackson-isl |
jihpringle: that would make sense as we jumped from 2.2 to 2.5 |
14:41 |
rfrasur |
krvmga: If I start getting complaints, I'll dial it back. As it is, I haven't yet. |
14:42 |
krvmga |
rfrasur: the worst that will happen at one hour is that the patron will be disconnected and have to re-connect. |
14:42 |
rfrasur |
Right. And I'm okay with that for the most part. |
14:42 |
krvmga |
this is mainly a hassle for people who are watching movies |
14:42 |
krvmga |
but i actually don't care about them |
14:43 |
krvmga |
i don't want them hogging |
14:43 |
jihpringle |
rjackson-isl: one of our libraries gave us their old printer and with the printer we couldn't get it to work properly. Our libraries are now using the Dymo printers |
14:43 |
rfrasur |
We don't actually get a lot of them anyway. More just YouTube stuff...plus they have to borrow headphones that other people have worn... |
14:44 |
krvmga |
rfrasur: yukk!! i got a deal from the same company that sold us playaways where they just sold us boxes of ear buds. we then sold them to patrons at a buck a pop. paid for itself. |
14:44 |
rjackson-isl |
jihpringle++ that was our next step to get the thing delivered and play with it... |
14:44 |
rfrasur |
We get people watching stuff on tablets and phones, but it doesn't drag the network as much....and they're usually only here for their lunch or whatever. |
14:45 |
krvmga |
we got the friends of the library to come up with the seed money for the ear buds and after that it was self sustaining. |
14:45 |
rfrasur |
krvmga: We did the exact same thing at the library where I was before. Right now, we're in the process of evaluating whether we want to go down the playaway rabbit hole at this library or not. |
14:45 |
krvmga |
you can skip the playaways and just get the ear buds :) |
14:46 |
rfrasur |
lol, I kinda like having the gross headphones. The smart patrons know which ones to ask for specifically (never accept the top two pair) >:-) |
14:46 |
krvmga |
rofl |
14:47 |
rfrasur |
(I also have a pair in my office that I'll loan out on special request to certain individuals...generally only teens) |
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krvmga |
when you consider that the public workstation keyboards are dirtier than toilets, i hate to think of the ear phones. |
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rfrasur |
They're clean...and get cleaned. The others? No guarantees. |
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* rfrasur |
shudders |
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rfrasur |
Our janitor is pretty meticulous about the keyboards...but I'm not sure it matters. |
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rfrasur |
Things happen there...bad things. |
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krvmga |
lol |
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rfrasur |
I also enjoyed mucking horse stalls though...and babies. Public librarianship bears some striking similarities at times. |
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krvmga |
i notice that earbud prices have risen slightly in the past two years. you'd have to sell them for $1.25 now. |
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rfrasur |
Are they still orange? Hmm, n/m. I think only the promotional ones were orange. |
14:53 |
krvmga |
we just got black. |
14:54 |
rfrasur |
I think that's what we had as well. It's been a handful of years. Still $1.25 is a pretty good deal. |
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krvmga |
rfrasur: you only pay, maybe, $1.16/ea. but sell them for $1.25. This is a good reason to do this through the friends since the library isn't allowed to engage in this kind of commerce. |
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rfrasur |
Of course. |
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Okay, this day of work has been called complete. Peace to y'all. |
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Looks like it's time to schedule a dev meeting. I have a Doodle poll at http://doodle.com/ze47agcsia9mdhdb |
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kmlussier |
@dessert Dyrcona |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs a slice of Pecan Pie and sends it sliding down the dessert bar to Dyrcona |
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kmlussier |
That's for being the first person to fill out the meeting poll. |
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* Dyrcona |
blushes. ;) |
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bshum |
Heh |
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Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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