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04:52 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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05:35 kmlussier @later tell bshum Getting errors when pulling up yesterday's IRC log. http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2014-03-21
05:35 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.
07:13 * jeff looks to see if that is his fault
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07:47 bshum jeff: I removed the /tmp/CHI/ilbot folder where stuff gets cached for the frontend
07:47 bshum And that seems to have cleared up the log from yesterday now
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07:47 jeff oh good.
07:48 jeff quirky.
07:48 jeff bshum++
07:49 bshum The cache mechanism for ilbot2 is a bit brittle.
07:50 jeff heading to Clover for breakfast again, I think.
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09:04 jeff dbwells++ # preemptive karma
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09:06 csharp dbwells++
09:06 csharp senator++
09:06 gsams dbwells++
09:06 jeff release_notes++
09:06 csharp read the friendly release notes!
09:07 mmorgan1 release_notes++
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09:09 Dyrcona sentator++ # Author of 335 commits.
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09:11 Dyrcona @karma senator
09:11 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Karma for "senator" has been increased 272 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 269.
09:11 csharp senator++
09:13 * csharp now plans to upgrade his "next" server to 2.6 when he gets back
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09:15 gmcharlt @later tell dbwells when you have a moment, could you send me the credentials of the generic LP account?
09:15 pinesol_green gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
09:15 gmcharlt senator++
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09:17 gsams gmcharlt++
09:20 RoganH senator++
09:20 csharp eeevil++
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09:20 hbrennan senator++ You helped me so much!
09:20 csharp and the best dressed developer award goes to....
09:20 hbrennan eeevil++ Blame it on the fire
09:21 gsams eeevil++
09:21 gsams bshum++
09:21 jeff bshum++
09:21 mllewellyn bshum: ++
09:21 csharp medals++
09:21 gmcharlt bshum++
09:21 collum dbwells++
09:22 jeff dbwells++ medals++
09:22 hbrennan dbwells++ First time I ever read the full emails about releases
09:22 gmcharlt bshum++ # next wearer of the No-Sleep-Allowed Medal
09:22 csharp gmcharlt++
09:22 kmlussier dbwells++ bshum++
09:23 csharp bshum++
09:23 jeff There were a large number of individuals at the developer meeting yesterday, which was very nice to see. gmcharlt++ for encouraging anyone interested to attend.
09:23 mllewellyn Don't break bshum. We need him at Biblio
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09:23 gmcharlt we'll take good care of him
09:23 gsams gmcharlt++ for sure about that
09:24 csharp csharp--
09:24 gsams csharp++ it needed to be asked
09:25 csharp osrf_control++
09:25 csharp dbwells++
09:25 csharp developers++
09:26 mllewellyn developers++
09:26 gmcharlt dbwells++
09:27 Dyrcona "Developers! Developers! Developers!"
09:28 collum get_off_the_bus++
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09:35 jeff 9:34 AM: re-state our assumptions
09:35 bottotr XULrunner, I think we should see other people
09:36 RoganH XULrunner, it's not you .... no, it is you
09:36 terranm RoganH++
09:38 bwiens Dyrcona++ developers
09:39 dbs I just realized I was heckling with my outside voice instead of my IRC voice.
09:39 csharp dbs++
09:39 dbs dbs--
09:39 dbs "What's so great prepositions?"
09:40 dbs Dang English majors
09:40 jeffdavis The countdown on the bottom right of berick's slides is making me nervous.
09:40 csharp jeffdavis++
09:40 RoganH dbs: have you seen the new shirt?
09:40 jeff jeffdavis: Mutual Assured QA in 3... 2... 1...
09:41 krvmga jeffdavis: don't worry. it will stop at "007"
09:41 jeff Anyone else notice that the hotel elevator clocks roll from 11:59 PM to 0:00 AM?
09:41 RoganH dbs: http://www.zazzle.com/mens_white_eve​rgreen_irc_shirt-235914605499046521  <-- it was referred to yesterday as "the Canadian quote"
09:42 csharp funny enough, the actual quote was in en-US
09:42 dbs RoganH: yes! saw rfrasur's lightning talk. canuckistan forever
09:42 jeff yeah.
09:42 jeff @quote get 46
09:42 pinesol_green jeff: Quote #46: "<_bott_> I am not a cataloger, but I speak enough MARC to be fun at parties" (added by gmcharlt at 11:43 AM, March 15, 2013)
09:42 RoganH dbs: I think I've spent too much of my life reading british sci fi - I forget what is American spellings vs. Canadian/British
09:43 dbs Grand Rapids, it's close enough to canada to have absorbed some of our u's by osmousis
09:43 jeff Fun fact: the idea of the "shim" is named after my laptop, because my laptop is so awesome.
09:43 bwiens would have been nice to have a conference t-shirt
09:43 bottotr If only the quote would have been numbered 42
09:43 Dyrcona @quote get 42
09:43 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Error: There is no Quote with id #42 in my database for #.
09:43 dbs "The goal is have a small..." -- berick is having preoposition troubles today
09:44 dbs bwiens: you could order a shirt that says exactly that!
09:44 bwiens what they do at islandora conferences is have a t-shirt design conference and the winner gets free admission.. that way you get a lot of good designs: http://islandora.ca/content/islandora-​camp-ny-t-shirt-contest-we-have-winner :)
09:44 Dyrcona Is he going to tell the audience what the shim is based on?
09:44 bwiens dbs haha
09:45 bwiens conference=contest
09:45 csharp interoperability++
09:45 RoganH bwiens: I like that idea for next year, this year things came together too late for a conference shirt
09:45 dbs Dyrcona: Don't say the J-word unless it is followed by "Script"
09:45 csharp @developer
09:45 pinesol_green csharp: Communication:13, BigPicture:14, DetailOriented:13, KungFu:18, GetsStuffDone:12, FlakeFactor:11, JavaAvoidance:15
09:45 dbs The four-letter J word
09:45 bwiens RoganH: ah, interesting
09:46 Dyrcona dbs: That's because everyone "remembers" Java from 1998.
09:46 jeffdavis dbs: "jeff"?
09:46 RoganH bwiens: there were accounting issues with setting up the store so we were on a tight time schedule to have any shirts ready
09:46 Dyrcona jeffdavis++
09:46 jeff Built a "lightweight" shim. [photo] "Java me," right? </meme>
09:46 csharp JawaScript - "ootedee"
09:47 gsams csharp++
09:47 Dyrcona It is Jetty, the lightest of the Java Application/Web servers.
09:47 dbs works++
09:48 dbs running code beats hypothetical but non-existing other options
09:49 dbs The claims for screen sizes are sorely tested by the 800x600 projector :)
09:50 csharp dbs: yeah - I just thought of that
09:50 * dbs channels Monty Python: "It's only a model"
09:50 Dyrcona Or they're too big.
09:50 csharp dbs++
09:50 jeff it's not very possible for screenshots to be responsive. :-)
09:51 dbs jeff: ah, thought he was running that live in another tab, my bad
09:52 Dyrcona TCP over HTTP?
09:52 Dyrcona jk
09:53 csharp "bundling" is far more pleasant than "chunking"
09:53 bwiens RoganH: that makes sense, I'm generally very impressed with the level of professionalism at this conference
09:53 csharp hey, that's my handwriting
09:54 csharp yboston++
09:57 csharp huh that flipchart sheet was from 1/2009, no wonder I didn't remember it
09:57 csharp it was a PINES acq meeting where librarians were invited to share feature requests
10:00 mllewellyn funders++
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10:02 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged. | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org
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10:02 gmcharlt sample_patron_address_generator++
10:02 jeffdavis Those fake addresses are magnificent.
10:02 gmcharlt ... "Damaged Cash Way"
10:03 gmcharlt 1081 Revolutionary Performance Shore
10:03 jeff gmcharlt: i was just about to comment on Damaged Cash Ways :-)
10:03 gmcharlt ... I think we have just found the code name for the web-based staff interface
10:03 krvmga i like "atomic discussion freeway"
10:03 gmcharlt (revolutionary performance shore, to be clear) ;)
10:04 krvmga it sounds like an address in Fallout New Vegas
10:05 dbs gmcharlt: berick was talking about redirecting the ocean, so it does fit nicely
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10:07 terranm How many karma points can I give Bill at once?
10:07 Dyrcona terranm: Just one, but you can always do it more than once.
10:08 kmlussier berick++ berick++
10:08 terranm So y'all would probably get annoyed if I put about 75 in here right now...
10:08 terranm Berick++
10:09 kmlussier @karma berick
10:09 pinesol_green kmlussier: Karma for "berick" has been increased 429 times and decreased 14 times for a total karma of 415.
10:09 jeff regarding that unicode comment from the audience right now: http://www.cafepress.com/nucleartacos/317769
10:09 jeff "I [] Unicode" t-shirts :-)
10:09 gmcharlt jeff++
10:09 gsams jeff++
10:09 Dyrcona Wish I had thought of that one!
10:09 terranm Jeff++
10:09 jeff as well as the corresponding "I <?> Unicode"
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10:10 krvmga jeff++
10:10 * dbs has seen that with unicode-in-place-of-icons with webfonts not getting loaded, and/or NoScript (as happens on the evergreen-ils.org page with JS disabled, IIRC)
10:10 ldwhalen berick++
10:10 csharp berick++
10:11 dbs berick++
10:11 RoganH berick++
10:11 gsams berick++
10:11 krvmga berick++
10:11 dbs gpls++
10:11 mllewellyn berick: ++
10:11 jeff gpls++
10:11 jeff berick++
10:11 bshum berick++ gpls++
10:11 krvmga gpls++
10:11 Dyrcona I've usually seen it when the browser is set to a different encoding than the web page.
10:11 jeff Evergreen International Karmafest
10:12 dbwells berick++
10:12 Dyrcona Or the server says ISO-8859-1 and the page is actually UTF-8.
10:12 dbs Dyrcona: yeah, that's the classic; don't see it much these days, but always possible
10:12 csharp gpls++ # it's a good place to work ;-)
10:13 Dyrcona Change your browser to UTF-16 and get free Chinese "transaltion." :)
10:13 Dyrcona heh.. typo.
10:14 csharp reimbursement_rules--
10:14 csharp reimbursement++
10:15 csharp Evergreen PSA!
10:15 Dyrcona dbs: You can always contribute code.
10:15 csharp emckinney++
10:15 dbs Dyrcona: what is this "code" of which you speak?
10:15 Dyrcona :)
10:15 jeff For those without the room in the budget, I believe there is room for non-cash contributions to the web based client effort: testing, feedback, code...
10:16 dbs emckinney++
10:16 bshum Review counts too.
10:16 Dyrcona I saw mention of javafx in one of berick's URLS, I think we'll have to install Java 8.
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10:16 csharp once we get mundungus in place, popping up test vms will be a snap
10:17 csharp LXDE FTW
10:17 jeff csharp: missed you last night in the lobby, but if you have time to talk mundungus today before you leave, let's.
10:17 gsams I'd be happy to help test.  I'm afraid that we will be too far back in version to help with that much though.
10:17 Dyrcona It was the URL about printing a web page from Java.
10:17 csharp jeff: yeah - I overestimated my energy level :-/
10:17 kbutler yeah, happy to help test, but will def. need a demo machine somewhere.
10:17 Dyrcona Just open a browser with one tab and you're using 256 to 512 MB.
10:18 csharp jeff: I'll be leaving by 11:30, and may not attend the last sessions, but if you want to chat after this, let me know
10:18 dbs I believe Firefox is lighter than Chrome on the tab front
10:18 csharp dbs: true in my experience
10:18 Dyrcona dbs: I believe that is true.
10:18 dbs Good thing is that browser competition should improve such things. Especially if you don't allow Flash on staff workstations
10:18 csharp ewww flash
10:19 jeff flash shim!
10:19 jeff flash can print!
10:19 * jeff grins
10:19 jeff now that i say that, i wonder how flash printing from chromsos works...
10:19 dbs Whereas you get Flash bundled with Chrome, so already weight + concerns...
10:19 csharp we should use flash and high-res PDFs for everything
10:19 Dyrcona My problem with JS toolkits is they often have a "flavour of the month" feel to them. One gets popular until the next best thing comes along.
10:19 Dyrcona That's not a knock on Angular JS.
10:19 csharp Dyrcona: I share that general concern
10:19 dbs AngularJS has a strong Google backing, which is something
10:20 csharp MIT++
10:20 bwiens on that topic, IE is going to betray you http://cdn3.cubiclebot.com/wp-conte​nt/uploads/2012/01/300-browsers.jpg
10:20 csharp @karma ie
10:20 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 52 times for a total karma of -52.
10:20 csharp ie--
10:20 Dyrcona Yes, and it was designed by really smart people who understand functional programming.
10:20 gsams ie--
10:20 gsams not low enough
10:20 dbs Dyrcona++ # that
10:20 krvmga ie--
10:21 bwiens @kharma ie
10:21 pinesol_green bwiens: http://scientopia.org/blogs/scicu​rious/files/2013/03/cousin-it.png
10:22 bwiens @karma ie
10:22 pinesol_green bwiens: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 55 times for a total karma of -55.
10:22 dbs Emphasis on "sold" and marketing terms such as "rich feature sets" :)
10:23 * csharp gags at "next gen"
10:23 bottotr @hate buzzwords
10:23 pinesol_green bottotr: The operation succeeded.  bottotr hates buzzwords.
10:23 jeff specifics++
10:23 * dbs automatically hears "Actual performance may vary" disclaimers with such claims
10:23 gsams fantastic.
10:23 dbs csharp: hey, evergreen was a next-gen catalog in 2006!
10:24 csharp dbs: I hated the term then too! ;-)
10:24 csharp consistency++
10:24 dbs csharp++
10:24 gsams csharp++
10:24 * gmcharlt dusts of the phrase "Library 2.0"
10:24 gmcharlt csharp: have I increased your wince? ;)
10:24 csharp gmcharlt: exactly!
10:24 jeff csharp++
10:25 krvmga gmcharlt++
10:25 gsams gmcharlt: I'm still hearing that phrase, the dust hasn't even settled...
10:25 kmlussier gmcharlt++
10:25 dbs Please do not increase WinCE
10:25 csharp berick++
10:25 dbs berick++
10:25 * Dyrcona winces.
10:25 Dyrcona berick++
10:25 gmcharlt WinCE+... no, I can't bring myself to do it
10:25 gsams berick++
10:25 dbs (all heckling aside, great stuff!)
10:25 jeff berick++
10:25 gmcharlt berick++
10:26 collum berick++
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10:54 terranm Just taking a moment to thank everyone here who's been so welcoming to me as a newb at my first conference and my first presentation! (Sappiness now over.)
10:55 hbrennan terranm++
10:59 jeffdavis terranm++ # glad you feel welcomed!
11:03 dbs terranm++
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11:09 terranm Ooh, karma points! I need to pander more often!
11:09 hbrennan 15 minutes in and SQL is already making sense! Hallelujah!
11:10 gsams hbrennan: Im enjoying this for the possibility of shamelessly stealing the content for teaching people in Texas
11:11 jeffdavis terranm: ha!
11:11 hbrennan gsams: Take good notes and I'm sure you can!
11:12 terranm Relieved to see that postgresql syntax looks pretty much the same as mysql
11:12 hbrennan Relieved that it's not magic
11:12 hbrennan or is it
11:13 gsams a little bit
11:13 terranm Hbrennan: I think the hardest part will be figuring out the nonintuitive table names and field names here
11:13 jeffdavis It does involve carefully incanting in an arcane language to make otherwise-impossible things happen.
11:14 dbs http://coffeecode.net/archives/263-Introducing-​SQL-to-Evergreen-administrators,-round-two.html may be useful for further introductory material on PostgreSQL SQL
11:14 terranm Dbs++
11:14 gsams dbs++ this helped me a lot in the past.
11:14 * hbrennan thinks dbs needs to write his name on that extremely helpful document he's always sharing
11:15 dbs hbrennan: hey it's right on the top of http://bzr.coffeecode.net/intro​_to_sql/introduction_to_sql.txt ;)
11:15 hbrennan dbs: it's not on the PDF! Just a tiny little ds
11:16 dbs we could just roll it into the Evergreen docs. although it's a lot of content.
11:17 dbs hbrennan: bah, PDF :)
11:17 hbrennan dbs: Don't worry. I wrote your full name and "Canadian" on my copy
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11:25 hbrennan RoganH says we can do EVERYTHING and LEARN IT ALL!
11:25 gsams RoganH++
11:26 gsams the power of SQL is infinite!
11:27 mllewellyn Infinity and beyond!
11:27 gsams I want to hear him do that noise again.
11:29 * jeff makes a note to self to get more jasper reports resources somewhere useful
11:30 mmorgan1 jeff++
11:31 jeff increment me when i've actually done it. :-)
11:32 mmorgan1 jeff: maybe keep poking til you do do it?
11:32 mmorgan1 :^)
11:32 jeff If anyone has interest in a free pass to the science museum, let me know. i have a citypass booklet with two things left in it (skypass being the other one)
11:32 dbs RoganH++
11:32 dbs jeff<< # poke poke
11:32 * jeff laughs
11:33 * dbs splits for libreplanet
11:33 jeff time for a new bot plugin -- pokes that increase until reset by those assigning :-)
11:33 jeff dbs++ good to see you -- enjoy your next conference!
11:36 jeffdavis SQL is awesome and powerful, and learning to use it is a great thing to do. But I always want to encourage people to read this first, replacing "Unix" with "SQL" throughout: http://forums.beyondunreal.​com/showthread.php?t=91215
11:37 jeffdavis (It's an analogy about using powerful tools, from "In the Beginning Was the Command Line" by Neal Stephenson.)
11:38 gsams jeffdavis++
11:41 hbrennan jeffdavis++ Excellent!
11:51 gsams RoganH: I agree with the idea of a collection development dashboard in Evergreen.  I think that is a fantastic idea.
11:51 terranm Roganh++ good presentation!
11:52 bwiens RoganH++
11:52 terranm +1 to the coll devt dashboard
11:52 gsams RoganH++
11:52 jeff What would said collection development dashboard include?
11:52 gsams fantastic presentation
11:52 jeff Because that's something that I've a strong interest in.
11:53 jeff we've been brainstorming things to add to our dashboard
11:53 terranm This weeding report, for one thing :)
11:53 terranm Sorry, coll devt report
11:53 terranm But good weeding reports too
11:54 gsams I'd like to see the query to look over and possibly use
11:54 gsams it would also be a good learning tool
11:56 gsams For public record, I am happy to help with reporter questions if I am available.  I would welcome the challenge
11:56 hbrennan gsams++ You're going to be busy soon
11:56 mmorgan1 gsams++
11:56 terranm gsams++
11:57 gsams I am running a training session for my consortium next wednesday, and have been using reports quite a bit
11:57 hbrennan Was just handed a note with this address on it, http://pastebin.com/u/roganhamby
11:57 gsams I can't say I'm as strong with it as... I think it was jventuro. but I like to do what I can
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11:58 gsams hbrennan++ for posting that on IRC.
11:58 hbrennan roganh++
11:58 gsams RoganH++
11:58 terranm We do reporter training for our members too, but we end up doing a lot of troubleshooting. This really helps.
11:59 hbrennan Conference over, vacation begins! See you next year, everyone! Hopefully!
11:59 gsams Alright folks.  Its been a pleasure being here this year.  I look forward to being more of a presence in IRC and seeing everyone next year as well!
11:59 gsams Thanks for the welcoming and wonderful conference!
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15:06 bshum @later tell Bmagic So I hear you're going to be at Code4Lib. Look for the growing group of Evergreeners who are also going, myself included :)
15:06 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.
15:24 * jeff is utilizing slow but convenient wifi on a commuter rail train
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18:53 Bmagic @later tell bshum Yeah! pretty funny! I will see you there. I am sitting in the airport at Atlanta right now waiting for my connecting flight. Getting my machine setup for the ruby on rails session on Monday
18:53 pinesol_green Bmagic: The operation succeeded.
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22:59 jeff @later tell gmcharlt when you post the resource allocators summit notes on the website, could you add me to the attendees list? :-)
22:59 pinesol_green jeff: The operation succeeded.
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