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07:40 csharp @wunder 30033
07:40 pinesol_green csharp: The current temperature in Glenwood Estates, Decatur, Georgia is 26.2°F (7:40 AM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 19.4°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 30.52 in 1033 hPa (Rising).  Freeze warning in effect until 9 am EST this morning...
07:40 csharp brrr
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08:26 kmlussier csharp: I didn't realize Georgia got that cold!
08:27 kmlussier @wunder 01845
08:27 pinesol_green kmlussier: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 33.3°F (8:27 AM EST on November 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°F. Windchill: 33.8°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
08:31 csharp kmlussier: it's pretty cold for November - we dip down this low in January/February usually
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10:31 * Dyrcona curses Launchpad's lousy search.
10:37 phasefx_ Dyrcona: launchpad can't hear you
10:38 Dyrcona phasefx_: It wouldn't care if it could.
10:39 phasefx_ just further indicative of its suckiness
10:41 phasefx_ s/indicative/indication/
10:41 phasefx_ grammar/spelling/why-do-I-care?--
10:42 phasefx_ launchpad is rubbing off on me
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12:14 Dyrcona I hate humans. We suck.
12:15 paxed just think of doggies. doggies love you.
12:15 Dyrcona Yes, my doggie loves me.
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12:40 phasefx_ paxed: are you familiar with an issue where localized entries in ils_events.xml do not seem to get used?  bug 1251347
12:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251347 in Evergreen "I18N for ils_events.xml" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251347
12:45 paxed phasefx_: no, i don't think so... is that triggered in the staff client? if so, was it on 32-bit windows?
12:47 phasefx_ I haven't tried it anywhere other than the TPAC; noticed that the event description was not translated.  A different event was translated, but I saw the tpac handled that translation itself, mapping it based on the event
12:49 paxed i haven't looked at the events/errors at all, really.
12:50 phasefx_ paxed: s'okay, thought you may have poked at it before.  thanks :)
12:56 jeff Amazon announced RDS support for PostgreSQL today. Neat. Doubt it has or will have plperl or plperlu support right away, but still neat.
12:58 jeff http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/11/amazo​n-rds-for-postgresql-now-available.html
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13:11 dbs jeff++
13:13 mrpeters anyone closely monitor their memcached reponse_time values?  we're looking for some reasonable response times beyond the stock 0.1 and 0.2 the nagios plugin reccomends
13:14 jeff mrpeters: monitor yours and get an idea of what "normal" is for you.
13:14 jeff mrpeters: makes no sense to alarm if your response times aren't the same as my response times.
13:14 mrpeters jeff:  yeah, that is the long term plan.
13:14 jeff mrpeters: normal for you may not be normal for others, etc, etc. :-)
13:15 mrpeters yeah, fair point.  We do graph it, just weren't sure if there was a point where you say hey....thats a little slow...
13:19 mrpeters pnp4nagios ftw!
13:19 mrpeters makes it very easy to see the trends, if you don't have that installed in your nagios/icinga instance DO IT!
13:29 paxed *grmbl* right, so Evergreen knows how to show electronic resource links in record details already, it's just our conversion that puts faulty indicators in there.
13:29 bshum Oops
13:40 paxed running a sql to fix it in the db for now, and sent email to olli-antti so he knows what to fix in the conversion.
13:48 paxed our whole team is (almost) in lapland - people from several libraries are here, doing requirements lists their $NEXT_ILS should fulfill.
13:52 paxed there were some interesting ones i might file as wishlist bugs later.
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14:49 Dyrcona Is there a minimum version of pgTAP that we should be using to run the tests?
14:50 Dyrcona I ask because tsbere installed from source and the tests work for him.
14:51 Dyrcona I installed from a packaged repo, probably Ubuntu's for 12.04, and the tests fail because I don't the isnt_empty() function.
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14:53 tsbere I am assuming 0.93
14:53 tsbere I could be wrong
14:53 Dyrcona You're probably right. I have 0.90.
14:53 jeff 0.23 2009-12-18T23:03:39Z
14:53 jeff * Added `is_empty()` to test that a query returns an empty set (no results).
14:53 jeff oh.
14:53 jeff isnt_empty
14:54 Dyrcona Yep. the latter.
14:54 jeff 0.92.0 2013-01-16T00:41:07Z
14:54 jeff * Added `isnt_empty()` to ensure that a query does not return the empty set.
14:54 Dyrcona So, pgtap is useless to anyone installing from packages.
14:54 jeff http://api.pgxn.org/src/pgtap/pgtap-0.93.0/Changes
14:54 Dyrcona See, this what I *so love* about all the different Linux distros....
14:55 kmlussier berick: bug 1251394 looks intriguing. Are you saying that these new display fields would be a way to display title and other bib information in reports?
14:55 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251394 in Evergreen "Metabib Display Fields" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251394 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (erickson-esilibrary)
14:55 berick kmlussier: among other things, yes
14:56 kmlussier berick: How would it handle case in the title? Would the title display in its proper case or would it continue to be all lower case?
14:57 berick kmlussier: it would be configurable, using normalizers.  by default, it will keep the case
14:57 jeff far better than doing the xslt/xpath at report time to get pretty titles. i was thinking a materialized view would be better -- berick++ for fleshing and running with it.
14:57 bshum Intriguing...
14:57 kmlussier berick++ #best news I've heard all day. :)
14:57 berick if only it were my idea ;)
14:58 csharp @praise berick
14:58 * pinesol_green the upgrade came off brilliantly, and it's all because of berick
14:58 kmlussier We just had a reports meeting yesterday where we discussed that very issue in depth.
14:58 csharp reports_meetings--
14:58 jeff was there a reports group meeting yesterday?
14:58 berick it solves a lot of problems.  it also means new staff client code can use this instead of MVRs
14:59 csharp sorry, I'm reports-meetinged out ;-)
14:59 Dyrcona jeff: it was local to Mass.
14:59 jeff Dyrcona: aha
14:59 csharp we had a PINES one yesterday too - all day
14:59 jeff wow.
14:59 kmlussier Wednesday must be Evergreen reports meeting day.
14:59 jeff that's another thing that jasper reports has solved for us. ;-)
14:59 * kmlussier liked it better when Wednesdays were Prince spaghetti day.
15:00 csharp ours was work towards finalizing the req doc for the "simple" interface, so yay
15:00 jeff kmlussier: Who is Prince Spaghetti, and why did he show up on Wednesdays?
15:00 csharp jeff: once I'm out of the woods of our 2.5 upgrade (scheduled
15:00 kmlussier jeff++ :)
15:00 jeff csharp: step 1: log in to https://eg.example.com/jasperreports/ ;-)
15:00 csharp ...MLK weekend), I plan to set up jasperreports for PINES in a test instance
15:01 * csharp would love that
15:01 jeff csharp: great to hear!
15:01 jeff (that you'll be experimenting)
15:01 csharp yeah
15:01 csharp looking forward to it
15:01 jeff we are currently using AD for auth to jasper, but i would like to switch to Eg for auth.
15:02 jeff haven't done a lot of work on that, just theorizing and investigation.
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15:02 jeff presenting an ldap interface was one idea (kinda' a reverse authproxy), but may or not be more complex than required.
15:03 csharp sounds interesting
15:07 paxed jeff: btw, did you notice my branch for bug 1133464
15:07 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1133464 in Evergreen "Use cover image/blurb URL from field 856" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1133464
15:09 jeff paxed: i had only looked at the patch you linked earlier. will look at the branch soon, i hope! :-)
15:09 jeff paxed++
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15:31 dbwells paxed: Since you mentioned the funky facet wrapping a few months back, maybe you can check out bug 1251416 and see what you think.
15:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251416 in Evergreen "TPAC: Facet styling could use improvement" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251416
15:36 bshum dbwells: I noticed that weird triple digit styling issue; I'll check that too.
15:37 paxed dbwells: yeah, i just read the email
15:43 eeevil dbwells: do you think you'll have a chance to look at the branch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1251353 soon?
15:43 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251353 in Evergreen 2.4 "QP query generation is incorrect with two or more bool ops in a row" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
15:50 dbwells eeevil: thanks for working on that bug.  I have looked at the branch, but I have little hope of grasping what it is actually doing in the time I have for it right now.  My plan is to push it into production and test it empirically, but not until after 5:00pm (in order to limit civilian casualties).
15:52 eeevil dbwells: cool, and thanks
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16:03 bshum Callender: Can you describe the situation you encountered that led to bug 1251424 ?
16:03 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251424 in Evergreen "In the staff client, the submit hold button is not activating when placing hold" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251424
16:03 bshum I'm not sure if that's a bug or intended feature...
16:03 bshum The submit button is supposed to be grayed out till you put in a barcode or such
16:04 Callender bshum: Ben, it was when clicking on the place hold link from the search results, so you go to the hold screen
16:04 Callender at that point, you should be able to place hold just fine for yourself.. OPAC works that way just fine as well
16:05 Callender but for some libraries, that button would still be greyed out and you couldn't make a hold for yourself
16:05 bshum Callender: In the staff client, that's expected I would think... unless you click the radio button to say "Place this hold for me (insert my name here)"
16:05 Callender but if you first clicked the radio button for making it for another patron, and then clicked back to yourself, without ever even entering anything, then the place hold would open up
16:05 bshum Or you keyed in a barcode that actually worked
16:06 * bshum tests
16:06 Callender it doesn't always do that though.. my test system and other systems I tested, you can go in and place hold for yourself just fine
16:06 bshum Oh I see what you're saying now.
16:06 Callender it was just certain circumstances that I couldn't re-create.. but it always happened for certain libraries.. it was a very weird bug
16:07 Callender that change I made on launchpad, that fixed it across the board on systems I tested it on, and didn't seem to harm systems that weren't broken. I need someone though familiar with the code to kind of double check what I'm doing there
16:09 bshum Yeah, I was able to reproduce the issue now.
16:10 bshum The radio button starts with the placing hold for someone else.
16:10 bshum But if you click on the option for placing a hold for the staff account itself
16:10 bshum Sometimes it wouldn't change the color right away
16:10 bshum Callender++ # the change works as you described.
16:10 Callender ok, I'm glad you were able to see it.. beacuse this one drove me crazy for a little while :)
16:10 bshum If memory serves, this probably affects 2.4 and 2.5 only
16:15 bshum Your description confused me at first
16:15 bshum Cause I thought maybe your change made the submit button always available again.
16:15 bshum Which it shouldn't be.
16:15 bshum But testing seems to bear out no issues on my end so far.
16:16 Callender ahh ya, I see what you're saying. It wasn't so easy for me to describe
16:18 bshum I'll tweak the commit message a bit to be more concise on what we're doing here.
16:18 bshum Then I'll commit it through
16:18 bshum Thanks Callender!
16:18 Callender thanks Ben!
16:19 pinesol_green [evergreen|Garry Collum] lp1012237 HOLD_ITEM_CHECKED_OUT display - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a4901ce>
16:20 bshum Just verifying if it was 2.3 or 2.4 when we introduced all this fun stuff
16:21 bshum Looks like 2.3 it is
16:21 bshum I'll backport accordingly.
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16:27 pinesol_green [evergreen|Steven Callender] LP1251424 - Fix for submit button when placing holds in staff client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b7bc865>
16:34 bshum dbwells: The changes to facets looks fine to me, but I have to poke more at the facet block in the mobile part of style.css.tt2.  Because the changes altered where the styling is applied, we just have to tweak the CSS variables there too.
16:34 bshum Otherwise, it doesn't use all the screen real estate in mobile mode.
16:38 bshum Maybe I'll poke at that briefly tomorrow.  Unless someone else gets there first :)
16:38 dbwells bshum: thanks, I didn't notice that the facets streched before.  I can push a fix for that.
16:39 bshum dbwells++
16:39 bshum Oh, tomorrow's Friday.
16:39 bshum I'll be driving up to Boston :P
16:39 bshum To see yboston and all the other DIG folk.
16:40 dbwells bshum: I am sure you can drive and commit bugfixes at the same time, I don't want excuses.
16:44 bshum dbwells: I'll be too busy playing Ingress or something.
16:44 bshum :D
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17:10 dbs Dyrcona: your packaging problem is exactly why I wrote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ever​green/+bug/1242999/comments/17
17:10 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1242999 in Evergreen "Encode.pm 2.54 breaks database functions (naco_normalize, maintain_control_numbers, others)" (affected: 1, heat: 10) [High,Confirmed]
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17:12 Dyrcona We installed from the github repo, and it works.
17:13 dbs Dyrcona: Yes, I saw that you had found success. What I was saying was that there exists some documentation that could fairly easily be converted into the promised pgTAP techref document
17:13 Dyrcona "You are in a maze of twisty little packages of different versions, all of them incompatible."
17:14 Dyrcona "It is dark. You are about to be eaten by a Grue."
17:14 Dyrcona ;)
17:14 dbs Dyrcona: Man, you seem to be in a more cynical / pessimistic mood than even me these days. Not good.
17:14 Dyrcona Yes, I figured there would be documentation sometime.
17:15 Dyrcona Dunno. I've always been darkly sarcastic.
17:15 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Fix untranslatable strings in several dijits: - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ac56aa4>
17:16 Dyrcona On the plus side, I ordered one of these for work, today: https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1
17:29 * dbs doesn't really understand TechRef documentation. what's the point of documentation that isn't part of the actual documentation? It's documentation we don't want people to find?
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17:44 dbs alas, "[source,conf]" in the 2.5 release notes appears to be breaking PDF output?
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18:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Add basic docs for testing with pgTAP - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3c86315>
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