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08:57 Dyrcona My phone can read books to me. It will be interesting to hear what the voice does with the code snippets in the programming-related titles.
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09:08 * Dyrcona wishes there were a synthesized version of Alistair Cooke's voice.
09:10 * csharp likes George Guidall as a reader
09:12 Dyrcona I'm using FBReader and the Hyperionics (sp?) Text to Speech plugin.
09:13 krvmga has anyone run across a problem with IE11 where format filters in advanced search show up as a blank box?
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09:20 csharp krvmga: bear with me while I upgrade IE in my windows VM and I'll test
09:20 csharp oh and
09:20 csharp ie--
09:20 csharp @karma
09:20 pinesol_green csharp: Highest karma: "dbs" (742), "bshum" (609), and "tsbere" (561).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-49), "^" (-26), and "----------------------------------" (-18).  You (csharp) are ranked 12 out of 2060.
09:20 csharp ie--
09:20 csharp @karma ie
09:20 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50.
09:20 rfrasur ie--
09:23 Dyrcona @karma ie
09:23 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 51 times for a total karma of -51.
09:27 rfrasur jboyer-isl: is there somewhere to look at past daily reconciliations?
09:28 csharp krvmga: http://picpaste.com/ie11-ad​vanced-search-crkHqcF3.png - a screenshot of our advanced search (2.3.6) in IE11
09:28 csharp I don't see anything missing
09:30 krvmga csharp: yes, this is the same experience that i had when i tested it.
09:30 krvmga csharp: a library contacted me and told me the blank box happened to them. i was not able to duplicate the error.
09:31 krvmga csharp: they sent me a screenshot. everything was as you'd expect except the format filter box was blank.
09:31 Dyrcona @xkcd 583
09:31 pinesol_green Dyrcona: CNR: http://xkcd.com/583
09:32 jboyer-isl rfrausr: Not really. I can get older info if you need it, though.
09:33 rfrasur Hmm, okay.  Is there the possibility of an email notification?
09:33 csharp Dyrcona++
09:34 csharp xkcd++
09:34 rfrasur heh
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09:34 csharp krvmga: may be a cache issue?  my IE is about as pristine as you can get, being only used to download Firefox ;-)
09:35 jboyer-isl It hasn't been 30 days yet, every report you need should still be available. What are you running into?
09:35 rfrasur poor workflows
09:36 rfrasur I don't actually log into the staff client every morning, so I don't think to always check the reconciliation report
09:36 rfrasur it's okay.  I just need to figure out a way to remind myself.  Was just double checking that those weren't options.
09:37 jboyer-isl I suppose you could set up a repeating reminder in Google Calendar, that can email you each morning.
09:38 rfrasur hmm, I could.  I suspect there are several ways to do it.  Just a matter of picking one that I won't eventually tune out.
09:38 * rfrasur will figure it out.
09:38 rfrasur ty
09:38 jboyer-isl I suppose you could put "Or we might fail an audit!" in the description, not likely to tune that out. :D
09:38 krvmga csharp: i'll see about that. i don't really use ie unless i'm forced to.
09:39 csharp krvmga++
09:40 rfrasur meh - I suspect.  Though if it's that important, I think there need to be more ways other than "call Jason" to get information from the past 30 days.
09:41 jboyer-isl As long as you pay the full invoice each quarter you won't actually fail an audit, that's a bit over-simplified. But I think there's some accounting rule about depositing money taken in within 24 hours? Not entirely clear on that, but the auditor could potentially be grumpy about that.
09:42 rfrasur We have to deposit all money on a daily basis (although we don't when the bank is closed since we use the counter).
09:42 jboyer-isl Also, it's not exactly "30 days," it's the "last 30 days in which payments were taken for other systems" which could potentially be 30 days, or 300.
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09:43 rfrasur Hmm, oh.  So, we could potentially (in reality, in our case) have no reports yet.
09:43 rfrasur It's 30 reports rather than 30 days.
09:43 jboyer-isl Yes. That's why I had to add the "Last updated XXXXX" to the bottom of the page.
09:44 rfrasur But it still updates whether or not there's anything to report, right?
09:44 rfrasur if only to say "nothing to report"
09:45 jboyer-isl The date does, yes. It should always say 3:something in the morning of the current day, or I need to do something to catch it up.
09:45 rfrasur it's 3:16 from today.  You're good.
09:46 krvmga ok, i just had a second report of format filters not showing up in basic or advanced search, both in the public opac and in the staff client.
09:46 krvmga i think i need to check my config.tt2 files
09:46 rfrasur reports--
09:46 rfrasur @hate reports
09:46 pinesol_green rfrasur: But rfrasur already hates reports!
09:46 csharp krvmga: what URL?
09:47 krvmga http://bark.cwmars.org
09:47 krvmga just so you know, i cannot duplicate the problem here.
09:47 jeff have you toggled compatibility view in IE? i'm guessing that IE11 still has that.
09:47 krvmga everything is working as expected for me
09:47 csharp yeah - same here
09:47 krvmga jeff: interesting thought. checking.
09:47 jeff but it can make a major difference if it's set incorrectly (on when should be off, off when should be on, etc)
09:51 jeff if the screen shot in question included the address bar, you can probably see the indicator -- though it's gotten more difficult to read in recent versions, iirc.
09:51 krvmga jeff: i just tested with compatibility mode on and off and it didn't make a noticeable difference
09:52 krvmga jeff: plus, if it's not showing up in the staff client, isn't that mozilla-based?
09:52 jeff you can probably safely rule that one out, then.
09:52 jeff krvmga: i don't follow your last inquiry.
09:52 krvmga jeff: the format filters aren't displaying in search in the staff client either for them
09:52 jeff krvmga: ah, i missed your earlier statement that they were not showing in the staff client, either.
09:53 jeff yeah, ie compatibility view isn't going to affect the staff client.
09:53 bshum Sounds like a brick problem.
09:53 krvmga bshum: that's what i'm checking now.
09:54 csharp yeah - if it's intermittent
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09:57 * bshum generally avoids brick strangeness by mounting /openils/var as an NFS share on every app server.
09:57 bshum Course that makes upgrades slightly more entertaining.
09:58 krvmga bshum: i checked the config.tt2 on all my bricks; they are as expected. i checked in the staff client local administration search filter groups and the format filters are there.
09:59 krvmga we tried clearing the library's browser cache to no effect
09:59 jeff are they being forced through a proxy which is breaking certain things?
10:00 Dyrcona Did they try turning it off and turning it back on? That fixes a lot of Windows problems.
10:00 krvmga big red button solution++
10:00 * rfrasur sets up an alert in Google calendar as jboyer-isl suggested.
10:01 jeff i had the pleasure of using the big red button solution on our AMH yesterday.
10:02 jeff there are some behaviors where the quickest fix is to smack the E-STOP (a literal big red button).
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10:02 jeff (then twist it to reset the button, then clear && start on the sorter controller)
10:03 krvmga i'm asking the library to reboot the computer and see if that makes any difference
10:04 jeff industrial safety controls are interesting beasts -- high priority, and when you hit Clear on the touch-screen (assuming you've also cleared the physical button), there's a very audible THUNK from the inside of the housing as it resets.
10:04 krvmga i have a big red button not far from my desk but, when i hit it, it just says "that was easy!"
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10:06 rfrasur krvmga++
10:06 rfrasur Staples_Easy_Button++
10:06 krvmga :)
10:07 krvmga bad news. the behavior is still there after a reboot. :(
10:09 krvmga http://picpaste.com/Blank_format_box_in​_Advanced_search__12Nov13-lJUgEzsY.PNG
10:09 * tsbere would like to see the source of the page that is being loaded, as that particular machine is getting it
10:09 Dyrcona Have they tried installing Ubuntu? I hear that fixes most Windows problems, too. :p
10:10 krvmga Dyrcona++
10:10 * Dyrcona has nothing helpful to offer, just jokes.
10:10 * Dyrcona doesn't use IE or Windows.
10:10 * bshum likes the jokes
10:12 mmorgan krvmga: Could they possibly have the wrong client version? I think you said it's in the client ...
10:12 krvmga mmorgan: we just upgraded to 2.4 over the weekend and everyone's client auto-updated
10:13 krvmga i'm trying to get the source code for the page that's displaying to them. i'm guessing it may be different from what displays to me.
10:13 Dyrcona krvmga: See if they can do a View Source and copy that to email your.
10:13 Dyrcona Eh.... timing.
10:13 krvmga lol
10:17 jeff .has sometimes issues concurrency with Dyrcona thread
10:18 Dyrcona :)
10:18 jeff i blaJavame exposure
10:18 Dyrcona @synchronize decorator is missing?
10:18 pinesol_green Dyrcona: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/
10:19 Dyrcona Thank you, pinesol_green, but I don't need a headache today.
10:20 Dyrcona jeff: pthread_mutex_unlock(&(global->mtx));
10:20 * rfrasur already has one
10:21 jeff > Some people, when confronted with a problem, think, "I know, I'll use mutexes." Now they have
10:21 Dyrcona That's regexes. :)
10:21 jeff there's some pretty great gems here: http://nedbatchelder.com/bl​og/201204/two_problems.html
10:22 Dyrcona lols
10:23 bshum That tetris game is too awesome.
10:24 Dyrcona Yes, it is awesome.
10:24 Dyrcona I don't know why everyone thinks multithreading is so hard.
10:24 Dyrcona I think its the "paying attention to what your code is actually doing" part that people have trouble with.
10:25 jeff while there is also a first person pac man (at least one), i'm more amused by: http://www.pac-txt.com/
10:25 jeff > You awaken in a large complex, slightly disoriented. Glowing dots hover mouth level near you in every direction. Off in the distance you hear the faint howling of what you can only imagine must be some sort of ghost or several ghosts.
10:26 Dyrcona > You are about to be eaten by a Grue.
10:26 Dyrcona ;)
10:26 krvmga could the blank format filter boxes somehow have been an artifact of caching on one of the brickheads?
10:26 tsbere Dyrcona: But the glowing dots provide light! :P
10:26 krvmga i just had a note from one of the libraries that reported the problem saying that the problem had gone away.
10:26 Dyrcona tsbere: So, you can see the Grue.
10:27 tsbere krvmga: Could be, but I would expect more than the one box to be blank then...
10:27 krvmga >attack grue with axe
10:28 Dyrcona k
10:28 Dyrcona XSet *-focus-follows-eyes 1
10:30 krvmga i did a diff on the code from the library's basic search and from my basic search and the files were identical.
10:33 jeff as seen by you, or as seen by them?
10:34 krvmga nope, sorry, i was wrong.
10:35 krvmga in their code was <select id='_selector' class="" name='fg:'>
10:36 krvmga it should have been <select id='format_filters_selector' class="" name='fg:format_filters'>
10:37 krvmga so, how is it not picking up the right thing here?
10:37 krvmga odd, no?
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10:45 tsbere krvmga: Could one brick have a bad template file?
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10:48 krvmga bshum: it looks like somehow, sometimes filter_sort_selector.tt2 isn't getting the format_filter filter group
10:48 krvmga i notice the code in that file looks like the blank code that the library got
10:48 krvmga name = name || "fg:" _ group.code;
10:48 krvmga id = id || group.code _ "_selector";
10:48 krvmga class = class || '';
10:48 krvmga values = values || CGI.param(name);
10:54 krvmga tsbere: but which file?
10:56 tsbere krvmga: Could be config.tt2, actually...
10:57 rfrasur yboston: depending on how many people you have in the "on air" session, I wouldn't mind an invite.  If there are a lot though, that's okay.  I can just follow along on YouTube.
10:57 krvmga tsbere: that was my original thought. i checked each config.tt2 individually on all the brickheads.
10:57 yboston rfrasur: there is room, i'll invite you
10:58 rfrasur ty sir
11:01 * jeff grins at yboston's computer saying "it's eleven o'clock" :-0
11:01 jeff :-) even
11:01 jeff smiley/emoticon typos as facial tick. huh.
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11:07 mmorgan krvmga: Could there be a difference depending on whether they're clicking on a client portal page link vs. going from the client menus?
11:07 krvmga mmorgan: i'll have to check.
11:23 rfrasur My brain is being pulled in too many directions.  Is "precatalog" an item status or something else?
11:24 Dyrcona Something else.
11:24 rfrasur do you know what the something else is?
11:24 Dyrcona Yes.
11:24 jboyer-isl They're artificial items that can be turned into real items by the blue fairy once they're checked in.
11:24 Dyrcona :)
11:25 * kbutler laughs.
11:25 Dyrcona The blue-haired staff member rather than fairy.
11:25 rfrasur um, how would I run a report for things related to the blue fairy?
11:25 * rfrasur might have a magic wand somewhere around here.
11:25 * rfrasur has a letter opener and a ruler.
11:25 Dyrcona The nitty gritty is you checkout a copy not in the catalog. You get prompted to make a precataloged copy.
11:25 Dyrcona The copy gets added to bib -1.
11:26 Dyrcona You check the copy in and you get reminded to send it to cataloging to have a real copy made.
11:26 rfrasur right, the practical process I understand.  I need a report that lists existing precats
11:26 Dyrcona select * from asset.copy where call_numer = -1 and deleted = 'f';
11:27 rfrasur :-|
11:27 jboyer-isl rfrausr: Check out my shared template folder, the Items folder, and look for "List Pre-Cat Items No Longer Circulating"
11:28 jboyer-isl They can be deleted or made into real boys by transferring them to valid volumes.
11:29 rfrasur (I HATE the shared folders lay out)
11:29 Dyrcona Really? That's all you hate about reports? ;)
11:29 jboyer-isl Yeah, some of them should probably be hidden, since they're not sorted. :/
11:30 rfrasur Dyrcona: no...that's not all.  It's just the thing that's bugging me at this exact second.
11:31 * rfrasur is going to have to rewatch the asciidoc tutorial
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11:33 rfrasur Um, I wish I never had to look at the output from that report again.  jboyer-isl: thanks.  That's what I needed (to pass along to another EI member).
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11:55 rfrasur all this to ask this simple question of clarification.  Is writing in AsciiDoc essentially the same as editing html in notepad...but using asciidoc formatting rules instead?
11:56 dbs rfrasur: pretty much. But far fewer tags
11:56 alexlazar rfrasur: maybe more like editing a wiki page, which gets parsed and output into html, or other formats
11:57 * rfrasur nods
11:58 alexlazar yboston: dose AsciiDoc control the folder structure of resulting HTML files, or is it one manually
11:59 alexlazar done
11:59 alexlazar does
11:59 dbs Or more like writing text that is readable as just plain text, but also has the benefit of providing nicely formatted alternative outputs :)
12:01 dbs alexlazar: there isn't really any folder structure, just one output directory (images excepted)
12:03 alexlazar dbs, yboston thanks for the answers
12:03 yboston rfrasur: just got your question "So, if there are incorrect pathways, will be they be fixed before documents are added into the official documentation?"
12:04 rfrasur right, if I have one folder structure locally that doesn't exactly correspond to the offiical folder structure somehow.
12:04 rfrasur (nice spelling, self)
12:04 yboston rfrasur: I would assume that when you submit something you will have a more experienced DIG member to help sort that out before we add it to the official docs'
12:05 rfrasur k, that was my assumption as well.
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12:21 linuxhiker do we know what the latest version of Encode.pm that works with Evergreen is? I know 2.49 does but the latest does not.
12:24 csharp linuxhiker: see bug 1242999
12:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1242999 in Evergreen "Encode.pm 2.54 breaks database functions (naco_normalize, maintain_control_numbers, others)" (affected: 1, heat: 10) [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242999
12:25 csharp linuxhiker: eeevil left a message for your other nick (linuxpoet), FYI
12:25 linuxhiker csharp: great, thanks!
12:25 Dyrcona @later
12:25 pinesol_green Dyrcona: have you tried local mean solar time for the named city as the reference point?
12:26 Dyrcona Isn't their a command to check for who has a later waiting for them?
12:26 Dyrcona s/their/there/
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12:26 csharp @notes
12:26 pinesol_green csharp: I currently have notes waiting for ackaca, actually,, AlexBoardman, anyzh, berick:, capeschools, Chris2222, community_irc_meeting, dat, davit, dbs,, dbs:, edbarrett, eeevil:, EGUEST089, emrikol^, figu, garren_h2, GDCPLG, geonetis, gett, gmcharlt:, Guest71726, htrap, iarnc, jhaig_, jmeeuwen_:, Kathleen_:, kimilahtio, kivilaht3o, kmlussier:, kuku, Lakeside, lemma, levacjeep:, linuxpoet, (1 more message)
12:26 Dyrcona @hate English_Orthography
12:26 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.  Dyrcona hates English_Orthography.
12:26 csharp @more
12:26 pinesol_green csharp: luckilissa, makee, miker:, miker_, miker_:, Mitchecacs, moodaepo:, moodaepoo, moodaepoo1, MyBoss, nathanael:, natschil:, natschill, neraath:, nightmorph, ort9217:, paxed:, phasefx:, pinesol, RoganH:, Shimah, tmccanna_, toubs, vali, Versailles, vxbush:, wlayton:, wolf29:, yboston:, youdonotexist, and zoia.
12:28 Dyrcona To get your later, just say something in channel.
12:28 Dyrcona Nah, I can't.
12:29 Dyrcona Those dreaded colons and underscores....
12:29 MyBoss What did I say?
12:30 Dyrcona linuxhiker: having trouble getting the message?
12:30 linuxhiker Dyrcona: Excellent evaluation of the problem :)
12:31 Dyrcona switch to linuxpoet then say something in the channel.
12:31 Dyrcona pinesol_green will send you the message int a /msg
12:31 pinesol_green Dyrcona: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
12:31 pinesol_green Dyrcona: MARC still isn't dead yet, alas
12:31 linuxpoet howdy
12:31 csharp ding
12:31 linuxpoet aha!
12:31 linuxpoet thank you
12:31 Dyrcona yw
12:31 csharp :-D
12:32 Dyrcona zoia is a bot isn't it?
12:32 * Dyrcona doesn't feel bad about reading a bot's mail.
12:34 * rfrasur is overrun by small children touching all her office stuff.
12:35 * berick checks for laterz
12:35 berick @notes
12:35 pinesol_green berick: I currently have notes waiting for ackaca, actually,, AlexBoardman, anyzh, berick:, capeschools, Chris2222, community_irc_meeting, dat, davit, dbs,, dbs:, edbarrett, eeevil:, EGUEST089, emrikol^, figu, garren_h2, GDCPLG, geonetis, gett, gmcharlt:, Guest71726, htrap, iarnc, jhaig_, jmeeuwen_:, Kathleen_:, kimilahtio, kivilaht3o, kmlussier:, kuku, Lakeside, lemma, levacjeep:, luckilissa, makee, (1 more message)
12:36 berick foo
12:38 Dyrcona The message is waiting for "berick:"
12:38 berick yeah
12:38 Dyrcona There's a trick to getting those, but I forget what it was.
12:38 berick and it won't let me change my nick to that..
12:38 Dyrcona Right.
12:40 dbwells @notes berick:
12:40 pinesol_green dbwells: Sent 1 year, 7 weeks, 6 days, 18 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <mrpeters-home> do you know if berick/tpac-added-content will backport to 2.2.2?
12:41 csharp @notes dat
12:41 pinesol_green csharp: Sent 37 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, and 36 minutes ago: <bshum> Take a look at http://pastie.org/6309593. Basically I think you've changed your title display and the syntax you're using now isn't proper for BibTemplate and thus failing to show any data.
12:41 csharp heh
12:41 Dyrcona yeah. I was just going to msg berick with the trick. :)
12:42 dbwells Not sure how they ever get marked as "read", though
12:43 Dyrcona The ones with the : are obvious, you can't login with a nick that ends in :
12:44 Dyrcona I think someone identified with the bot can mark them as read.
12:44 Dyrcona I believe I did that with one that was sent to Dyrcona:.
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13:07 bshum We can always edit the notes DB directly
13:07 bshum And erase other notes
13:07 bshum Or I think as admins we can remove notes
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13:24 paxed testing on a mini laptop == slightly painful.
13:25 rfrasur why a mini laptop?
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13:26 paxed traveling
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13:27 rfrasur makes sense.  and you have to work during the travel?
13:28 paxed i'm working on a new Added Content handler and want to finish that. and this is work-related travel anyway
13:28 paxed well, the code is done, now just need to test...
13:29 rfrasur ;-), in that case...good luck and hopefully the tests go well so you don't have to fuss with snack-size keyboards and monitors.
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13:32 * Dyrcona finds the staff client very cumbersome, and some interfaces unusable, on a resolution less than 1920x1080.
13:32 bshum There are resolutions lower than that?  :P
13:32 Dyrcona 1366x768, for instance.... ;)
13:33 Dyrcona And, that's hi-def!
13:33 paxed 1024x600 :/
13:33 * rfrasur chooses to forget about 1024x600...or whatever that is.
13:33 bshum There's lots of dojo interfaces that don't work nicely on small resolutions.  And probably several weird XUL ones too now that I think about it more.
13:34 Dyrcona Yeah, if I had the time, and if I cared enough, I'd fix them.
13:34 Dyrcona One or two just fail to get a horizontal scroller when they should.
13:36 paxed it seems some programs aren't meant to be used on 1024x600 ... i know couple that have fixed-size windows taller than 600px, with buttons on the bottom.
13:37 bshum Oh, true.
13:37 bshum Like Item Status
13:37 bshum That thing never scales or scrolls right for me
13:37 rfrasur :-|
13:38 Dyrcona rfrasur: Sounds about right. ;)
13:38 rfrasur again I say.... :-|
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13:59 jboyer-isl rfrasur: Have they seen this: http://www.in.gov/library/3380.htm#report ?
14:00 rfrasur I dunno.  But, the report I asked you for earlier?  They couldn't follow the path shared folders>templates>etc. etc. I think she got hung up on the fact that she needed to view all rather than 10.
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14:01 jboyer-isl That is annoying and catches a lot of people. :(
14:03 rfrasur yeah...it does.  She's a really nice person though, so there's that.
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14:11 jboyer-isl jcamins: Were we talking about PCI compliance a while ago? I've been looking into that for something and it looks like storing only the last 4 (or first 6, but not both!) of the CC number isn't considered "Storing cardholder data," nor are any of these: name, exp. date, billing addr. (They DO count if you store all 16 digits like a crazy person, though.)
14:13 jboyer-isl So Evergreen isn't currently a complete PCI nightmare at the moment. (But the "cardholder data network" is potentially huge and un-certifiable. :/ )
14:16 jeff don't ever store all 16 digits. pay someone to bear that compliance burden if you have a recurring billing situation. stripe has great recurring billing support. :-)
14:17 * Dyrcona distracts himself from "real work" by taking care of recycling cardboard boxes.
14:19 * rfrasur continues removing items from system.  wonderful chore.
14:19 rfrasur and that's not sarcasm....and neither is this.
14:21 jboyer-isl rfrasur: I'm not sure if that's sincere sarcasm, sarcastic sincerity, or some kind of grammatical triple-negative.
14:21 rfrasur I know.  It'
14:21 rfrasur It's kinda confusing.  It's also hard to type with a pen in hand.
14:21 rfrasur But, I sincerely love weeding the collection.
14:22 Dyrcona delete from asset.copy where deleted = 'f';
14:22 Dyrcona That's the fast way to do it. :)
14:22 rfrasur I'm sure, but I don't have access to that.  So, I just use the item status screen ;)
14:23 jboyer-isl jeff: oh, definitely. But I think jcamins and I were talking about what level of compliance was required just to use what's built in to Evergreen currently. I think he was worried that it would be the highest level because we store anything.
14:23 jcamins jboyer-isl: yeah, someone mentioned storing credit card numbers, and I said I thought it seemed like a terrible idea.
14:24 jboyer-isl I didn't know about even the last 4, but apparently that's considered low importance.
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14:29 rfrasur huh, we're deselecting a 2002 pub. "Search Engines Handbook"  Bet that's pretty up to date.
14:31 jboyer-isl How to get top rankings on Ask Jeves and Dogpile!
14:32 jboyer-isl Jeeves. Jeeze.
14:32 * Dyrcona has a first edition Whole Internet Guide from 199(23)?
14:32 Dyrcona It barely even mentions HTTP never mind "the web."
14:32 rfrasur lol, but that's your personal collection.
14:33 Dyrcona yep. Every time I move its bigger than before, and every time, I'm tempted to weed it, severely.
14:33 rfrasur jboyer-isl: we have/had a couple books like that.  Also the Complete PC Upgrade and Maintenance Guide from 2003.
14:35 jboyer-isl "You too can build a machine that runs 800MHz! What will you do with all of that power?
14:36 jcamins jboyer-isl: suffer with frame lag in your text editor.
14:36 rfrasur :D
14:39 Dyrcona jcamins: Yeah, vim sure is bloated....
14:39 * Dyrcona ducks.
14:40 jcamins Dyrcona: oh, no, I'm using emacs in vim mode. :P
14:41 Dyrcona jcamins: The worst of both worlds!
14:41 jcamins Exactly.
14:41 jcamins (truthfully, I'm using vim)
14:41 csharp vim++
14:41 csharp @karma vim
14:41 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "vim" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
14:41 Dyrcona I use GNU Emacs.
14:41 csharp @karma emacs
14:41 pinesol_green csharp: emacs has neutral karma.
14:42 Dyrcona I *like* being able to write macros in Lisp, and evening using Lisp macros as macros..... ;)
14:42 Dyrcona evening? really....
14:42 * Dyrcona is ashamed.
14:43 Dyrcona Well, the boxes didn't last too long.
14:43 Dyrcona Back to working on a software spec that he is likely the only one to ever read.
14:48 rfrasur Dyrcona++ #shame and perseverence are good.  I think.
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14:57 ldwhalen Dyrcona: I had to stop using emacs.  I spent all my time writing Lisp macros and no time actually coding projects
14:58 ldwhalen The syntax for vim script, on the other had, is so ugly I have no desire to use it.  So, I am much more productive there.
15:00 Dyrcona I was going to say that I don't actually spend a lot of time on macros in Lisp.
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15:01 ldwhalen Not I, feature creap was sitting on my shoulder the entire time I used emacs.  Lots of fun though.
15:03 Dyrcona I find IRC eats more of my time, now. :)
15:04 * rfrasur fights the urge to laugh maniacally
15:05 Dyrcona I did spend a good deal of time a couple of years ago on some advice functions for html mode for things like wrapping text with certain tags and inserting the close tag automatically after the open tag.
15:07 jeff so yeah, vandelay has quite useful duplicate detection... but not within the same batch.
15:08 Dyrcona When I had command line only access to a unix machine in the early '90s, emacs was my shell.
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15:18 krvmga okay, i was finally able to duplicate the blank format filter box problem that i was talking about earlier. it seems to be somehow tied to a user's login.
15:18 krvmga so if i login, format filters show up fine
15:18 krvmga if i login with an account experiencing the problem, i also experience the problem.
15:18 krvmga i do not understand how this could happen.
15:19 bshum Could be corrupted usr settings.
15:19 krvmga bshum: when i look at an affected account in patron edit, i dont see anything odd.
15:20 bshum There are more user settings than are shown in patron editor.
15:20 krvmga than in all my philosophy?
15:20 bshum I would check the database table actor.usr_setting
15:20 bshum For the usr id that relates to the one that's broken
15:21 bshum And see if maybe they've got some weird entry that's gumming things up.
15:21 Dyrcona Yes, Horatio.
15:21 Dyrcona ;)
15:22 krvmga _somebody_ got it
15:22 krvmga :)
15:22 bshum If it wasn't on Star Trek, I have no idea what you're talking about.
15:22 krvmga it was a minor Hamlet reference
15:31 kmlussier krvmga: I don't think it's the user account. I think it's related to the search scope. If I select Hopkington as my search location, even when I'm not logged in, I see the problem. If I change my search location to Adams, it's fine.
15:31 krvmga kmlussier: how bizarre is that?
15:34 Dyrcona "There are more things under heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio." :)
15:34 Dyrcona So, not very bizarre to me.
15:35 krvmga lol
15:36 krvmga so why does this happen?
15:37 krvmga that is the question.
15:37 Dyrcona Just like a Prince of Denmark, I got nothing....
15:57 kmlussier So far, I've found three C/W MARS libraries that, when set as the search location, muck up the Format selector. I'm wondering if it might be related to their custom org tree.
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