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jboyer-isl |
@later tell jeff Hey, has Overdrive finally given you web access, or are they still leaving you hanging? |
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jboyer-isl: The operation succeeded. |
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jboyer-isl |
@later tell jeff Sigh. API access, not web access. |
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jboyer-isl: The operation succeeded. |
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jeff |
we have and have experimented with the metadata / availability bits, and replacing the current import from malformed xls technique |
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jeff |
we are still in conversations with them regarding circulation api access. since oct 1. |
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jboyer-isl |
jeff: Cool. I was just curious how things were going, interest is picking up here. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jeff Godin] Don't auto-logout TPAC in staff client - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fb9de90> |
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jeff |
Dyrcona++ thanks! |
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Dyrcona |
jeff++ # Thank you! |
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* Dyrcona |
puts the fix into production. No one will even notice. :) |
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* rfrasur |
likes it anyway |
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rfrasur |
It's the little things that make me love Evergreen more and more everyday. |
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rfrasur |
(sorry, husband) |
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Dyrcona |
heh |
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rfrasur |
he knows. I think my board knows as well. they all seem okay with it. or tolerant. |
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Dyrcona |
The reason that I say no one will notice is that the fix doesn't require a restart. It gets picked up the next time that a template is loaded. |
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* rfrasur |
figured |
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rfrasur |
but my love for Evergreen this morning has to do with automated emails that patrons reply to and ask questions about...beginning conversation. |
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rfrasur |
and getting email notices about recurring reports |
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* rfrasur |
makes a favorite feature list |
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AaronZ-PLS |
Quick "voided" question. In our 2.2 install, when a item goes from "Overdue" to "Lost" and the lost item charge is applied, the Overdue bills are all voided as "System Generated Overdue Fine: VOIDED FOR BACKDATE". Is this still the case on current versions of Evergreen? |
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Dyrcona |
yes. |
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AaronZ-PLS |
Would it be feasible to in a future version change the "Voided" message so that it was "System Generated Overdue Fine: VOIDED FOR LOST" to differentiate those voided overdues from the ones that are voided for a backdated checkin? |
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mmorgan |
Does that not depend on the OU setting "Void overdue fines when items are marked lost"? |
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AaronZ-PLS |
mmorgan: Yes |
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AaronZ-PLS |
(at least in 2.2) |
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mmorgan |
2.3, too. |
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jeff |
in some future version, "void" will likely be just another payment type, and payments can have payment notes. |
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jeff |
so that might meet your need. |
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Dyrcona |
I hate technology. |
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rfrasur |
lies |
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Dyrcona |
In the words for Bjarne Stroustrup: I used to with that my computer were as easy to use as my phone. I have gotten my wish, because now I cannot use my phone, either. |
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Dyrcona |
s/for/of/ |
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Dyrcona |
I hate it when it doesn't work. |
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Dyrcona |
Which is most of the time. |
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Dyrcona |
I *really* hate interruptions. |
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rfrasur |
HE |
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rfrasur |
hmm, |
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rfrasur |
n/m all that. I give up. |
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* Dyrcona |
also. |
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rfrasur |
I hope the security companies quote is low enough to allow us to go with them. They were nice. Customer service makes me a happy camper. |
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* rfrasur |
tries to not be a jackass customer as well. |
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* Dyrcona |
tries not to be a jackass customer service rep, but fails. :( |
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rfrasur |
pardon - dealing with a yugioh win |
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mrpeters |
rfrasur: what kind of security services are you looking for? |
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rfrasur |
mrpeters: cameras |
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rfrasur |
and the rack |
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rfrasur |
oh...n/m, that's judgment. |
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rfrasur |
just cameras |
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rjackson-isl |
rfrasur would a cheap pair of rusty pliers work as well as the rack? |
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rfrasur |
rjackson-isl: I already have several ;-), but thank you. I think every librarian needs their own toolbox. |
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rfrasur |
I just like the idea of getting taller despite the eventual death and excruciating pain of the rack. |
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Dyrcona |
heh |
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rjackson-isl |
I gave up on the taller part long ago - now I continue to shrink... |
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Dyrcona |
@quote get 70 |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Quote #70: "<rfrasur> I think every librarian needs their own toolbox." (added by Dyrcona at 11:09 AM, November 07, 2013) |
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rfrasur |
rock on :D |
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rfrasur |
rjackson-isl: me as well. |
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rfrasur |
Dyrcona: in truth, I think library schools should give librarians toolboxes instead of totebags |
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rjackson-isl |
rfrasur just remember not getting older but getting better! |
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rfrasur |
better seasoned. |
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* rfrasur |
is like a cast iron skillet |
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Dyrcona |
Mine was left in the sink too long once and had to be thrown out. :( |
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rfrasur |
well, I guess I should clarify and say that humans SHOULD bathe...cast iron skillets should not. So there is that difference. |
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jcamins |
Dyrcona: oh no! |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Translation updates - po files - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3c8bc9f> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Translation updates - newpot - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=869a696> |
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frank_____ |
hi all, I have a question, How Can I insert html code directly to a marc code template?, because I added it but, I didn´t work, I want to add an <a href> tag |
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Dyrcona |
frank_____: You can't, or at least you shouldn't. MARC is MARC and HTML is HTML. HTML has no meaning in MARC. |
| 12:04 |
Dyrcona |
frank_____: What is your ultimate goal? There is very likely a way to do it. |
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rfrasur |
Dyrcona: you beat me to it. |
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frank_____ |
hi Dyrcona thanks for response, the circulation people want to add an URL in a field that isn´t 856, so I guess the unique form to do that is insert html code when they are cataloging |
| 12:07 |
Dyrcona |
frank_____: It won't work, and should never work. URLs go in 856, so sayeth the LoC. |
| 12:08 |
Dyrcona |
You could rig up a 9xx tag with a subfield that contains a URL and the link text and then make that display by editing your TPAC templates, etc. |
| 12:08 |
Dyrcona |
However, you should never put html directly into a MARC record. You are likely to make the parser very unhappy. |
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frank_____ |
ok, I will try to explain it to the cat staff, I don´t know why they are trying to do that |
| 12:11 |
Dyrcona |
frank_____: They're librarians.... ;) |
| 12:11 |
frank_____ |
yes, you are right, thanks for your help, regards |
| 12:11 |
Dyrcona |
On a more serious note, what they are likely trying to achieve can most likely be done with the 856 and appropriate indicator or a local 9xx field. |
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rfrasur |
I tend to ask my staff "what exactly are you trying to accomplish?" to get around their suggestions of how to do it. |
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Dyrcona |
Either is very likely to require changes to your OPAC results and/or record pages to display. |
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frank_____ |
Dyrcona: Could I modify the /openils/var/templates/opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 file to make a tag value visible as an url?. |
| 12:32 |
Dyrcona |
frank_____: I'm not 100% certain, but without looking at the code, that sounds about right. |
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Dyrcona |
You should be able to find in that template and/or EGCatLoader/Record.pm how the 856 urls are displayed and do something similar with your tag. |
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jeff |
you'd probably want to look for the field and its contents from within the get_marc_attrs block defined in templates/opac/parts/misc_util.tt2 |
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jeff |
unless you need to be able to have it affect record visibility or creative things like that, parsing it out at display time is likely do-able from there, then take a moment to actually output it someplace like templates/opac/parts/record/contents.tt2 as you suggested. |
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Dyrcona |
jef++ |
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Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
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Is there a function that I could use to display directly in TPAC a tag value? |
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rfrasur |
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/modrobotics/moss-the-dynamic-robot-construction-kit?ref=live so cool |
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Dyrcona |
frank_____: The silence to your question indicates no. You will have to alter the template files. |
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yboston |
heads up the DIG monthly meeting is starting at 2 PM EST |
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* rfrasur |
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krvmga |
ready whenever you are :) |
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yboston |
#startmeeting 2013-11-07 - DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting. |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Nov 7 14:00:34 2013 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2013_11_07___dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentation_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting_' |
| 14:00 |
yboston |
The agenda can be found here http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20131107-agenda |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
| 14:01 |
krvmga |
Jim Keenan - CWMARS |
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* yboston |
is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee college of Music - DIG meetings facilitator |
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* rsoulliere |
is Robert Soulliere, Mohawk College |
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* rfrasur |
is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library - Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
we might be a very small group today :( |
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* kbutler |
is Kate Butler, Rodgers Memorial |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
I will give it a few minutes more |
| 14:02 |
rfrasur |
small but mighty? |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
OK, timer went off, time to move forward |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
rsoulliere: do you want to report or comment on anything at this point? |
| 14:05 |
krvmga |
June Stokoe from CWMARS is also here. She's having a little problem with her client. |
| 14:06 |
rsoulliere |
Nothing new to report from me this month. |
| 14:06 |
krvmga |
She's jecs. |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
NO problem |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I suggest we look at "new business first" today |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
#topic Final planning for DIG hack-a-way |
| 14:07 |
* akilsdonk |
akilsdonk is Angela Kilsdonk, Equinox--- late, but here |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
Any thoughts of when to start? I would suggest either 9:30 AM EST or 10 Am EST, to give those that are committing far enough time to get to Boston |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
etc |
| 14:07 |
jecs |
11 :) |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
sorry, that should say "commutting" |
| 14:08 |
kbutler |
I vote for 10, because I know I'd have to leave super early to force my way through traffic before then. |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
I won't be able to attend the hackaway but I've asked June to come in my place. |
| 14:09 |
jecs |
i can do 10am |
| 14:09 |
krvmga |
i think 10 might be better |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
I'll be participating remotely and so will Sarah Childs from Hussey Mayfield Memorial Library |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
The folks coming from Bibliomation mention that 10 AM would make it easier on them |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
so, starting time should def be up to the commuters. |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
WE can always start the google hangout earlier just to slowly get things running |
| 14:09 |
krvmga |
June btw is working on her certification in technical writing. |
| 14:10 |
rfrasur |
jecs++ |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
krvmga: cool |
| 14:10 |
jecs |
tx |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
Informally I see a couple of votes for 10 AM start, any opposition here? |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
Conversely, should we wrap up at 5 PM or 6 PM? |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
Perhaps, just allow people to leave when they have to, but I can stay late |
| 14:12 |
* krvmga |
sees the ghost of rush hour looming |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
(I have a very short commute |
| 14:12 |
jecs |
or 4 or 6? |
| 14:13 |
kbutler |
I'm not sure there's any way to avoid the rush hour on the other end, so... |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
I vote that we shoot for 5 PM and let folks decide individually when to wrap up |
| 14:15 |
krvmga |
yboston: i think that's good. |
| 14:15 |
kbutler |
yboston++ |
| 14:15 |
rfrasur |
so, 10-5 |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
I will plan to stay until like 6 zero to test the asciidoc produced, to look for syntax errors, etc |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
I will move on to other issues, if that is OK |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
yes 10-5 PM |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
next issue: "location coordinators" |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
I just realized I want to set up communication with the "hosts" at the individual communications. lets share telephone numbers by email |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
sorry, that should say individual locations |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
So far I am hosting folks, and ESI is hosting folks. Anybody else acting as a host? |
| 14:20 |
rfrasur |
yboston: I'm fine with that, but I'll be working from home that day and plan to use the hangout. I don't think, in Indiana, there's going to a centralized location this year. |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
So I think it is just Erica and me hosting. If something goes wrong I can look up Erica's number. ESI should have my cell on file too |
| 14:22 |
akilsdonk |
yboston: sounds good. I can send you the best contact # for ESI |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:22 |
krvmga |
yboston, you're not going to be at Berklee like the last time we did this? |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
Yes, but we don't meet in my office, so I need to be reached on my cell |
| 14:23 |
krvmga |
oh, right, sorry. |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
I can try to have IRC running during the hack-a-way, but I might miss some messages, though others can communicate through IRC during the hack-a-way |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
krvmga: no problem |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
I will move to another small issue, but does anyone have any other comments on the last issue? |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
Moving on |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
issue: google hang out issues |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
does anyone need to practice logging in and / or using Google Hangout before the hack-a-way |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
I want to sort things out before the hack-a-way day |
| 14:27 |
krvmga |
i did the docsprint on google hangout |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
I have used Google Hangouts a bit, but not sure if I start a hang out if I can add others after I start it. |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
I think there is a limit of 8 participants to each hang out? |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
unless we do an "ON Air" Hangout which gets broadcasted on Youtube and it has no limit |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
I might try to create an "ON Air" Hangout so we don't hit the limit during the hack-a-way. Though I don't plan to record the hang out |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
any comments so far? |
| 14:31 |
jeff |
I believe the limit is 15 (10 if you're on a google apps account and have not activated the "premium" hangout bits). on-air hangouts have the same limit for active participants, but an unlimited number of passive viewers. |
| 14:31 |
jeff |
So you may not hit the limit, depending on the number of participants you expect. |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
jeff: thanks. I am on a corporate Google account, and I hit arbitrary limtis all the time with their products :( |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
I'll shoot for the ON Air versions, and we can try to use IRC as a back up to communicate |
| 14:33 |
rfrasur |
it's a max of 10 for normal users (not the on air version) |
| 14:33 |
rfrasur |
is there another IRC channel already set up for DIG that could be used so this channel doesn't get flooded? |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
there is an alternate Evergreen channel that is used when there is a meeting going on, etc |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
I can't find its name right now |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
maybe we could use the Google On Air for whatever (virtual presence) and then the alternate channel for chat. I personally hate chat in Google Hangouts anyway. |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
yboston: i think you're thinking of #openils-evergreen |
| 14:36 |
yboston |
jeff: that must be it |
| 14:37 |
krvmga |
as long as everyone knows which channel to go to, it should be fine |
| 14:37 |
yboston |
not sure if it is easier for debs to switch to that one while we chat away than to teach DIG folks to use an alternate channel |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
(there are people in there, too...shhh) |
| 14:37 |
bshum |
Personally I'd rather conduct conversations in the regular channel for logging purposes. And keeping folks aligned with ongoing DIG activities for the day. |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
okay. I'm fine with either. |
| 14:38 |
* bshum |
is fighting with crummy internets today, and is showing up late |
| 14:38 |
krvmga |
me too |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
bshum: good point |
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| 14:39 |
yboston |
Alos, in case we have catastrophic communication issues in the morning, should each location and individual working by themselves pick one or two things to work on independently as a back up? |
| 14:39 |
krvmga |
i think that's a good idea |
| 14:39 |
rfrasur |
that sounds reasonable |
| 14:39 |
yboston |
while we get communications settled. perhaps we can declare our intentions on the list? |
| 14:41 |
krvmga |
yboston++ |
| 14:41 |
yboston |
I can send out a quick email today |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
#action yboston will send out an email to ask DIG members what they want to work at the start of the DIG hack-a-way |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
I was also planning on asking on the DIG list |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
who will be coming to berklee so I can send them directions and my cell number. Erica, did you know who is visiting you yet? |
| 14:45 |
jecs |
moi |
| 14:46 |
jecs |
oh sorry |
| 14:46 |
yboston |
sorry I meant Angela from ESI |
| 14:47 |
akilsdonk |
yboston: so far no one has said they would be joining us. :( but we would love to host anyone in the area who is going to be participating |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
#action yboston will send email to list to get RSVPs for those coming to Berklee for DIG hack-a-way |
| 14:47 |
yboston |
akilsdonk: thanks again for your offer. This should be a yearly event, so there is always next year. |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
also, can you send me the login credentials to the test server when it is ready? |
| 14:48 |
akilsdonk |
yes, I will do that as soon as it is ready |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
BTW, it is already 2:48, we should talk a bit about what we can work on, based on what is already listed on the hack-a-way page or any new ideas you may have |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
Here is the link to the agenda |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_hack-a-way |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
also, we might want to finalize a few of our style guide standards before the hack-a-way. though that can be done on the list |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_style_guide |
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yboston |
any thoughts? |
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rfrasur |
I still need to read through that list thread when I can let it sink in. |
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yboston |
BTW, don't forget to fill out the doodle poll to help me pick a time to give the DIG AsciiDoc training |
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yboston |
http://www.doodle.com/z9uq6h2urapbb8ws |
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yboston |
ANY other questions or comments as we approach the hour mark? |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
OK folks, lets wrap up. I will send out those emails later today |
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rfrasur |
yboston++ |
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krvmga |
yboston++ |
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kbutler |
yboston++ |
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yboston |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Nov 7 15:00:00 2013 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-07-14.00.html |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-07-14.00.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2013/evergreen.2013-11-07-14.00.log.html |
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akilsdonk |
yboston++ |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Update upgrade instructions for 2.5.0 release - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=84ce52a> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Update OpenSRF minimum version in install docs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4d74252> |
| 15:37 |
dbwells |
Heads up y'all: rel_2_5 has separated from the mothership |
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bshum |
dbwells++ |
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jeff |
dbwells++ hooray rel_2_5! |
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Dyrcona |
dbwells++ |
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csharp |
wow - general list is active today |
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* csharp |
has been traveling across GA all day |
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csharp |
dbwells++ |
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jeff |
csharp: conducting an in-person poll regarding copy to clipboard features? |
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csharp |
jeff: absolutely ;-) |
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csharp |
csharp: door-to-door admin |
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bshum |
Heh |
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jeff |
i haven't chimed in on that thread, but it does set me wondering about the reasons why people copy things to the clipboard in the staff client. i'm sure there are some that could be helped by other means. |
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csharp |
I'm sure our libraries would be as split on that issue as the general list is |
| 15:50 |
jeff |
i know that some of the previous reasons for copy to clipboard have gone away, but i'm interested in those that remain. |
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Dyrcona |
I think if copy and paste worked like normal in the staff client, then it would be a non-issue. |
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* csharp |
agrees |
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Dyrcona |
Yes, I know the technical reasons why it doesn't. |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
i think there's room for quick copy/paste similar if not identical to what we have now, but i'd love to know more of the use cases to be sure. |
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bshum |
I think the part that irks me most about the copy/paste thread and bug is that the change in behavior was slipped in without too much original discussion, but clearly we're still turning a lot of controversy over that change.. |
| 15:56 |
bshum |
But eh, we each deal with it in our own ways. |
| 15:56 |
bshum |
And it's good to see larger discussions about what to try next. |
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paxed |
i don't really care, as long as the copyable texts are not blue underline "links"... :P |
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paxed |
s/care either way/ |
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jeff |
in some ways it's an example of xkcd 1172 |
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Dyrcona |
I think it is just another reason to ditch the current staff client sooner rather than later. |
| 15:57 |
jeff |
_bott_ had a nice hack in ME that made the copy to clipboard message go to a statusbar region. |
| 15:58 |
jeff |
i think it would be appropriate to resurrect that, and potentially make the old behavior a workstation setting (as much as i dislike setting bloat). |
| 15:58 |
paxed |
i think i like that better than a tooltip |
| 15:58 |
jeff |
tooltips are better for "this is what WILL happen", less so "this is what JUST happened", IMO. |
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paxed |
yeah - like what i suggested, but put the "text was copied" into status bar instead of showing a tooltip. |
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* paxed |
sleeps |
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jeff |
sleep++ |
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Dyrcona |
Discussions like that are why we can't have nice things. |
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Dyrcona |
@blame xulrunner |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: It's all xulrunner's fault! |
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csharp |
@blame the desire for nice things |
| 16:02 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: It's all the desire's fault! for nice things |
| 16:02 |
jeff |
i don't see that discussion as a bad thing. |
| 16:02 |
jeff |
or a reason why we can't have nice things. |
| 16:02 |
jeff |
dunno. |
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Dyrcona |
It is a microcosm of everyone wanting the system to work differently. |
| 16:05 |
Dyrcona |
Then you end up with more knobs and more code to handle the more knobs and exponentially more potential breakage. |
| 16:07 |
Dyrcona |
And, yeah, your code ends up looking like that last sentence fragment. :p |
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jboyer-isl |
jeff, bshum: I daresay jeff has identified a new trick for pinesol_green to learn: turn "xkcd 1172" into a direct link! :D |
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jeff |
(and title, since that's most often enough) |
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* Dyrcona |
actually half-expected a URL to show after jeff sent that. |
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bshum |
Sounds like it could be a fun little plugin. |
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jeff |
i'd be surprised if it doesn't already exist. |
| 16:12 |
bshum |
Google says they do exist |
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Dyrcona |
Of course, if it is amusing, but otherwise useless, it exists. :) |
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bshum |
@xkcd 1172 |
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pinesol_green |
bshum: Workflow: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/workflow.png |
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bshum |
So it's not as smart as the bug snarfers |
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jeff |
and links directly to the image, which loses half of the joke. |
| 17:00 |
jeff |
oh well. :-) |
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jeff |
bshum++ |
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bshum |
jeff: I think we could edit the plugin |
| 17:06 |
bshum |
And have it show a direct link to the website |
| 17:06 |
bshum |
It seems to use the info from http://xkcd.com/info.0.json |
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bshum |
Of which "img" is a variable with a link to the given png |
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bshum |
@xkcd 1172 |
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pinesol_green |
bshum: Workflow: http://xkcd.com/1172 |
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bshum |
jeff: Better? |
| 17:16 |
Dyrcona |
@xkcd 1188 |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Bonding: http://xkcd.com/1188 |
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Dyrcona |
I'm going to have to implement that in Java and C++ just to watch it burn. :) |
| 17:17 |
bshum |
Now to learn how to write a new snarfer to listen intently for xkcd references.... |
| 17:18 |
bshum |
Eh, maybe later. |
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jeff |
bshum++ |
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dbwells |
For the brave and helpful: 2.5.0 tarballs and other sundries are uploaded to the usual place and in need of basic sanity checks. |
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dbwells |
e.g. http://evergreen-ils.org/downloads/Evergreen-ILS-2.5.0.tar.gz |
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dbwells |
Fair warning, the build is 100% untested, but at this point (for me), that's a job for tomorrow. |
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