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| 10:19 |
sovello |
hello! |
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phasefx |
sovello: hi :) |
| 10:20 |
sovello |
anyone out there to share their experience on evergreen for colleges and universities! |
| 10:20 |
rfrasur |
sovello: hey there :-) |
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* rfrasur |
is a public librarian...sorry. |
| 10:20 |
sovello |
phasefx: hi! |
| 10:21 |
phasefx |
sovello: in addition to asking here, I would definitely hit up the mailing list for wider reach |
| 10:21 |
rfrasur |
phasefx++ |
| 10:21 |
sovello |
waw, thanks. am setting up myself there too! |
| 10:21 |
sovello |
am from Tanzania! |
| 10:22 |
phasefx |
coolness. welcome :-) |
| 10:28 |
rfrasur |
dbwells (Calvin College) would probably be a good person to talk to...hmm...and...dbs (Laurentian University) or they might be able to connect you with someone. |
| 10:28 |
rfrasur |
or remingtron (Calvin College) |
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| 10:33 |
rfrasur |
It's official. If I never have to fire anyone ever again, I'll be okay with that. |
| 10:34 |
graced |
rfrasur: yeah, but sometimes people need firing |
| 10:34 |
rfrasur |
I know...and I also think they think that I like it. |
| 10:34 |
* rfrasur |
does not |
| 10:34 |
* rfrasur |
does not at all |
| 10:34 |
graced |
but it's always awful - even if they deserve it |
| 10:35 |
graced |
if you start to like firing people then there is something wrong with you |
| 10:35 |
rfrasur |
that's good to know. thank you. |
| 10:35 |
sovello |
thanks for the pointers |
| 10:36 |
graced |
sovello: Eastern Oregon is also an academic library on Evergreen |
| 10:36 |
rfrasur |
sovello: good luck :-) Also, just as a note, today is Columbus Day in the U.S. so there may be fewer people available today. Many institutions are closed today. |
| 10:37 |
collum |
I believe it's also Canadian Thanksgiving, so probably the same situation in Canada. |
| 10:37 |
graced |
sovello: and the University of Prince Edward Island. |
| 10:38 |
rfrasur |
collum++ #didn't know that. Thanks :-) |
| 10:38 |
graced |
collum++ |
| 10:44 |
* collum |
saw an article about Canadian Black Friday in the news that a certain retailer is trying to start. |
| 10:48 |
RoganH |
rfrasur: isn't it technically Columbus Day Observed and Saturday was Columbas Day? |
| 10:49 |
rfrasur |
RoganH: I have no idea to be honest. I don't celebrate it...and we don't celebrate it...and yeah. |
| 10:49 |
* rfrasur |
just goes by Google calendars. |
| 10:49 |
* RoganH |
goes by the library board's calendar of open and closed dates, everything else revolves around that |
| 10:50 |
rfrasur |
Same here. It's not in our policies and by-laws. |
| 10:52 |
sovello |
thanks for today. expect more questions from this side as the hacking continues! |
| 10:52 |
rfrasur |
sovello++ #welcome and looking foward to it |
| 10:52 |
sovello |
thanks everyone. I have noted it is a different community above the rest i have visited before. |
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rfrasur |
:D |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ #looking forward to reviewing the memory leak fixes in the new branch! |
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phasefx |
gmcharlt++ |
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rfrasur |
gmcharlt++ |
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mrpeters |
gmcharlt++ |
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rfrasur |
RoganH: I just have to say that I like the questions you ask people. (ambiguous IRC related to listserv) |
| 13:52 |
RoganH |
lol, thanks |
| 13:57 |
rfrasur |
Hah. The theme for this "Library Camp" is doughnuts. |
| 13:58 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur: bacon-wrapped ones? |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
Hmm, the illustration is a little ambiguous. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
They have faces though...so I can't imagine why there wouldn't be bacon as well. |
| 13:59 |
rfrasur |
(sounds like a C.S. Lewis rip off - "Til Donuts Have Faces" |
| 14:03 |
csharp |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:04 |
csharp |
very exciting |
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rfrasur |
jeff++ #go MeLCat |
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RoganH |
mmmm bacon |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
rfrasur: did I miss some very recent news about melcat, or was that just out of the blue? :-) |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
just came through Facebook. |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
rfrasur: oh. facebook. i see it now. :-) |
| 14:36 |
RoganH |
has anyone here done any canned sql reports for staff doing historical circulation analysis by author? |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
So, I thought I'd share this here since y'all will acctually understand it. EI is down right now running a dedupe script so that libraries that are open are using the standalone interface. So, I was at the circ desk when someone came in wanting to renew a book, and I mentioned that it'd be okay to run it in the standalone client because even if there's a collision, I'll see it and fix it tomorrow. Well, staff member |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
said "well, I ran one through earlier and it seemed to work fine." So, I thought she meant she'd been trying the server connection and it went through there (and I was going to be mad), but no....she'd done it on standalone. So, I explained that anything will check out/renew/wash your dishes on standalone because there's no communication with the server. She looked at me blankly, nodded...and I hung my head and came |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
back to my office. |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
RoganH: I haven't...but it'd be fun to try...but I'm wondering if you could. |
| 14:38 |
RoganH |
rfasur: this is why library admins should be allowed to have wet bars in their offices |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
RoganH: Yes...if only on Mondays....err...scratch that. Everyday including Sundays. |
| 14:39 |
RoganH |
rfrasur: I'm too lazy to not prefer to reuse good code if I can rather than write it from scratch |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
Me too. Though it's not lazy. It's efficient. |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
I just know in the reports interface...and you probably have more access to that...you can only use one source, and I think the info you'd want there would be from two sources... |
| 14:41 |
rfrasur |
but maybe not |
| 14:41 |
* rfrasur |
hasn't done much using the bib source |
| 14:41 |
RoganH |
I'll be honest, I can use the reports interface but I have to think about it. I mostly use sql. |
| 14:41 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur: then there's the scenario where online circulation works perfectly when the main catalog is offline -- due to somebody not noticing that they were connecting to the test system |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt: please never tell my staff there's more than one server. |
| 14:42 |
* rfrasur |
has visions of mushroom clouds |
| 14:43 |
RoganH |
rfrasur: so .... no staff development day discussion of load balancing and bricks? |
| 14:43 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur: let's just say that we now will consider turning off a test system temporarily at appropriate times to avoid asploding heads |
| 14:43 |
RoganH |
rfrasur: we could explain round robin database setups to them :) |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
no....not this staff. They're great, but technology is perhaps not their greatest area of interest and expertise. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
RoganH: we could.....we shall not |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur++ |
| 14:44 |
RoganH |
I was talking with a consultant recently about troubles staff have with technology recently and he said something like "stupid librarians" and I looked at him and said "I'm a librarian." |
| 14:44 |
* rfrasur |
is REALLY looking forward to the collision report tomorrow. |
| 14:44 |
RoganH |
He nearly chocked himself backing up after saying "REALY?!" |
| 14:45 |
rfrasur |
RoganH: hehe - that would have been fun. |
| 14:45 |
RoganH |
I hate that stereotype, it's like 'women are bad at math.' |
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RoganH |
Now, humans are confused by technology, that's probably closer to truth. |
| 14:47 |
rfrasur |
I'm glad most of the librarians I "hang out with" aren't very stereotypical. I also REALLY like math....even if some of the abstract stuff is...abstract. |
| 14:47 |
* rfrasur |
thinks math is some of the best stuff in the world. |
| 14:47 |
rfrasur |
And, yes, humans are confused by lots of things. |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
(like why it's important to report facilities issues and not "round off" you work time) |
| 14:59 |
* rfrasur |
moves on to pondering the Amish and computer classes. |
| 15:27 |
* rfrasur |
wonders why people buy Kindle Fires |
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dbwells |
senator: If you happen to get a chance, please take a look at bug #1239822. I am cutting RC right now, but we upgraded production already over the weekend, and this came up today. |
| 15:37 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1239822 in Evergreen 2.4 "Integrated subscription editor tries to make giant dropdown, fails" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239822 |
| 15:38 |
senator |
heh! |
| 15:38 |
senator |
will do |
| 15:38 |
senator |
i remember fixing this once in a totally different, not-serials interface |
| 15:39 |
senator |
i had though the way i did that should apply to cases like this too, but will check it out |
| 15:39 |
senator |
oh, well you have a solution already too |
| 15:40 |
jeff |
Hrm. fieldmapper.standardRequest seems to be able to get into a state where none of oncomplete, onerror, ontransporterror, nor onmethoderror will fire. |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
Testing in both xulrunner and Firefox |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
My test is to force a user edit save to fail by creating a usrname collision. |
| 15:42 |
jeff |
(which isn't handled in register.js, and I was trying to add handling) |
| 15:44 |
senator |
jeff: so the error is a DATABASE_QUERY_FAILED event? |
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| 15:45 |
senator |
i would expect oncomplete to fire for that |
| 15:45 |
senator |
and if openils.Util.readResponse(r) is called where r is the argument of that oncomplete handler, you'd get an alert dialog |
| 15:45 |
senator |
at least, this is what i'd expect |
| 15:45 |
jeff |
right. at the http layer, it's 200 OK, but the translator response is an osrfMethodException wrapped inside and osrfMessage |
| 15:51 |
rfrasur |
Does the phrase "atmosphere of currency" sound like I'm talking about money? |
| 15:51 |
senator |
yes |
| 15:51 |
rfrasur |
bah. thank you. |
| 15:51 |
senator |
if that's not what you wanted, maybe immediacy ? |
| 15:51 |
rfrasur |
close...but not the right nuance |
| 15:52 |
senator |
mmm. you want up-to-date, but in a noun? |
| 15:53 |
rfrasur |
I want up-to-date as a noun...but also dynamic...but not in a whiplash kinda way |
| 15:53 |
senator |
tricky |
| 15:54 |
gmcharlt |
following the current mode? |
| 15:55 |
rfrasur |
trends? (oy...that word) |
| 15:56 |
* rfrasur |
throws the whole thing out |
| 15:56 |
eeevil |
rfrasur: shift that paradigm and synergize! |
| 15:56 |
* rfrasur |
dies of catchphrasitis |
| 16:00 |
rfrasur |
Hah! |
| 16:00 |
rfrasur |
"8.Incorporation of emerging and appropriate technologies into library environment to improve staff workflows, provide alternatives for patrons, and create an atmosphere that reflects efficiency and creativity." |
| 16:00 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Fix integrated subscription editor record field - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6c7591a> |
| 16:01 |
rfrasur |
thanks pinesol...you're a lifesaver :p |
| 16:01 |
dbwells |
senator++ |
| 16:02 |
senator |
rfrasur: list of responsibilities for a job opening? |
| 16:02 |
rfrasur |
long range plan |
| 16:03 |
rfrasur |
I'm trying to turn the "just make everything work all the time" feedback into something that looks like a document. |
| 16:03 |
senator |
ah |
| 16:04 |
* gmcharlt |
had a scary moment where I thought that bit rfrasur had quoted was part of the commit message |
| 16:04 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt: muahahahahah! |
| 16:05 |
rfrasur |
all the things....working....all the time. It's the best commit ever. |
| 16:06 |
gmcharlt |
rfrasur++ |
| 16:06 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt: yeah, I tried to split it into multiple commits, but it was just too hard ;) |
| 16:06 |
rfrasur |
It's like the god particle...in code. |
| 16:07 |
senator |
from bosons import higgs |
| 16:07 |
rfrasur |
senator++ |
| 16:10 |
eeevil |
things just got heavy in here... |
| 16:10 |
rfrasur |
eeevil++ |
| 16:10 |
rfrasur |
best comment of the day |
| 16:10 |
* eeevil |
loves a good higgs pun |
| 16:11 |
rfrasur |
yep...and that was a good one. |
| 16:17 |
jeff |
senator: it appears that onmethoderror will fire, but only in the staff client. also, "onerror" is not (always?) a less-specific handler for method errors. |
| 16:19 |
senator |
hrm. at least onmethoderror should work then for your cases of catching an event in the patron editor... odd |
| 16:19 |
jeff |
it does. my testing was incomplete. |
| 16:19 |
jeff |
i was updating my earlier assertion. |
| 16:20 |
jeff |
it works, but not in Firefox -- just in the staff client. i suspect I'm running into broken multipart as an issue, which is known and fixed. |
| 16:20 |
jeff |
so, probably-mostly mystery solved. |
| 16:21 |
dbwells |
berick: If you get a chance, I just posted an acq bug, bug #1239837. It is pretty simple, I think, but was causing us some grief today. |
| 16:21 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1239837 in Evergreen 2.4 "Undefined variable prevents quick PO creation" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239837 |
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* dbwells |
heads out for a bit, will be back |
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jeff |
yeah, confirmed. it was multipart breaking. |
| 16:51 |
jeff |
and with multipart disabled in firefox, both onmethoderror and onerror fire. they also fire in the staff client as expected. |
| 16:52 |
jeff |
my test appears to have been sabatoged at least partly by muscle memory. when you are IN tab 3 in the client and you hold down alt and hit -, -, 3 -- there's very little clue that what actually happened was you did not clear cache, but you switched to tab 3. :-) |
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| 17:37 |
hopkinsju |
Good afternoon gents. Can someone help me learn how to use the newish Org Unit Hiding feature in the OPAC? |
| 17:37 |
hopkinsju |
We've got a library system that doesn't want to see all the other systems in the consortium in the drop down |
| 17:38 |
hopkinsju |
I can't for the life of me find where this is documented. |
| 17:41 |
rfrasur |
hopkinsju: I can't...but thought it was entertaining that I read "newish" as "jewish" and wondered what a kosher ILS would be like. |
| 17:42 |
hopkinsju |
In other words, "You got bupkes"? |
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* hopkinsju |
missed |
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jeff |
hopkinsju: i'm not certain that org unit hiding will give you what you want, but it might. I'm curious enough to look myself tonight. |
| 17:49 |
hopkinsju |
jeff: Cool. I'd appreciate it. Do you know where it's documented? I could likely learn this myself if I had a starting place. |
| 17:49 |
jeff |
also, I'm not sure I can hear the word "bupkis" without hearing Dan Aykroyd saying "We got bupkis! We turn ourselves in now, they'll give us twenty years in the electric chair!" |
| 17:51 |
jeff |
hopkinsju: not sure. I'd start with the brief info in the 2.4 release notes, commit 0e4d2442 and possibly others surrounding. |
| 17:51 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] TPAC Org unit hiding - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0e4d244> |
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hopkinsju |
jeff: Ok, thanks! |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Finnish translation update. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c4a5e58> |
| 19:35 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Translation updates - po files - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4bd95ec> |
| 19:35 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Translation updates - newpot - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ffda0fb> |
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