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paxed |
berick: http://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/eg/winlinux_diff.txt diff of osrfsys.log after reloading the patron reg in linux vs. windows staff client. |
| 03:46 |
paxed |
berick: that's massaged a bit, to replace all variable numbers, such as timestamps, hash and array addresses, etc. with static values. |
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paxed |
berick: i don't know if that's helpful |
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paxed |
at least it clearly shows the locale difference - en-US from windows, fi-FI from linux |
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csharp |
bshum: dbs: reading yesterday's scrollback on the KPAC stuff... PINES is going to implement KPAC in the near future, so with more adoption, it will hopefully stop being "the new craftsman" ;-) |
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* csharp |
also presumes that KCLS will probably implement it after they upgrade to 2.4.X |
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csharp |
since they were another major funder of the project |
| 09:46 |
kmlussier1 |
I know some of the MassLNC networks have talked about implementing it, but I don't know when. |
| 09:55 |
bshum |
A few folks have asked us about the pictures used in our KPAC. Makes me wish we had gotten better (and resharable) stock images for the core build. |
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bshum |
So there is interest in varying stages of poking at the images/config. |
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bshum |
I'm just a whiner. |
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bshum |
:P |
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csharp |
we have a huge set of images, but they are not licensed to be re-shared |
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csharp |
it would be great if we all used CC-licensed stuff, but those decisions are out of my control |
| 09:59 |
bshum |
Likewise in our implementation. And out of my hands too. |
| 10:01 |
Dyrcona |
I usually cc-sa-by for MVLC documents. |
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gmcharlt |
as a data point, the PaILS consortium is using KPAC; they've only *just* upgraded to 2.4, though, so haven't done much tweaking yet |
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bshum |
gmcharlt: Yay! |
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dbs |
Yay, more adoption is definitely good, particularly by sites that can contribute support etc :) |
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kmlussier |
graced++ #IRC tutorial |
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kmlussier |
graced: I was planning to add a link to my quick start guide to the Evergreen IRC page. Can I link to your tutorial too? |
| 11:02 |
graced |
kmlussier: happy to help any way I can - of course, link away! |
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graced |
kmlussier: I'll send you the follow up one as soon as I finish it. |
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* csharp |
adds a "how to get snarky with the bot" section |
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csharp |
pinesol_green`: am I right? |
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pinesol_green` |
csharp: Mr. Spock: Something fascinating just happened. |
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csharp |
@dunno |
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pinesol_green` |
csharp: Try restarting apache. |
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csharp |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green` |
csharp: Quote #35: "<tsbere> We have collective sanity left? We might want to double-check on that. ;)" (added by bshum at 05:00 PM, November 06, 2012) |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: I tried restarting apache, and it all it said was: [Thu Sep 12 11:03:41 2013] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts |
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csharp |
ha! |
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csharp |
LOL IM IN UR APACHE STELING UR VIRTUALHOSTS |
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Dyrcona |
heh. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm setting up a SSL-only server and hadn't edited ports.conf, yet. |
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dbs |
ooh, seq scan on metabib.record_attr, that's fun |
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jeff |
ow |
| 11:52 |
dbs |
http://explain.depesz.com/s/tdy1 -- that's the result of looking up a bookbag. spectacular plan! |
| 11:55 |
* dbs |
wonders why the CTE is getting LEFT JOINed instead of INNER JOINed. That seems to be what's causing the damage. |
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jeff |
dbs: bunck os disk thrashing sorting on mrd.id also, it seems. |
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jeff |
bunch, even |
| 11:57 |
dbs |
jeff: of course |
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jeff |
oh, which would probably be less if it weren't being left-joined. |
| 11:58 |
dbs |
If I change the left join to an inner join, the run time drops to 0.960 ms |
| 11:59 |
dbs |
http://pastebin.ca/2449017 for the raw stuff |
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* eeevil |
looks |
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paxed |
with his eeevil eye |
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eeevil |
:) |
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eeevil |
dbs: I have the same question about the outer join of container_x98568b0 |
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* tsbere |
suspects he knows why on the container join |
| 12:06 |
tsbere |
I had a use case when bouncing around in queryparser of "is not in this container but matches other stuff" and containers were hardcoded includes at the top level at the time, if I am not mistaken |
| 12:06 |
dbs |
looks like it's hard-coded to always be a left join for containers |
| 12:06 |
eeevil |
dbs: does the plan change from Bad(tm) if the container join is made INNER instead of (or in addition to) the mrd join? |
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dbs |
eeevil: if you mean s/LEFT JOIN |
| 12:06 |
dbs |
/ INNER JOIN/ then it goes from 21s to 1ms |
| 12:07 |
eeevil |
yes, that's what I meant |
| 12:09 |
dbs |
This is where I get that horrible feeling that I know how to fix this particular problem, but have no idea if a simple s/LEFT/INNER/ for that clause in line 1099 of Driver/Pg/QueryParser.pm is going to blow up other things. |
| 12:09 |
eeevil |
tsbere: since there's always an "is not null" clause added the the where currently, let's make it inner. if that use case comes back, we can reinvestigate |
| 12:09 |
eeevil |
I'm disappointed that PG isn't seeing the LEFT+NOT_NULL as an INNER, though |
| 12:09 |
tsbere |
eeevil: Is that the case? If you use the actual container(blah,blah) format with an || does it still include an "is not null"? |
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* tsbere |
understands that bookbag loading always sticks the container() at the top level, which likely results in the "is not null", but the syntax can be used elsewhere |
| 12:10 |
eeevil |
tsbere: looks to me like line 1104 is unconditional |
| 12:11 |
tsbere |
eeevil: Change container(blah...) to !container(blah...)? |
| 12:12 |
eeevil |
tsbere: that should be IS NULL, then. and could be made smarter easily. I'll offer a patch in a minute that won't break that |
| 12:14 |
tsbere |
eeevil: For more fun, I would also like !(container(blah...) otherstuff) to continue to work....we have someone that wants "things that are in container 1 excluding any movies in container 2" fairly often. >_> |
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eeevil |
tsbere: I'll leave negated containers as LEFT joins is what I'm saying |
| 12:15 |
eeevil |
but the common case, container(blah), can be optimized |
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eeevil |
as can the mrd join |
| 12:16 |
tsbere |
eeevil: !(container(blah) otherstuff) is a non-negated container inside of a larger negated segment. I just want to make sure that your optimization takes that into account. |
| 12:17 |
eeevil |
tsbere: is that in use today? "someone that wants" suggests no to me |
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tsbere |
eeevil: "someone that wants" = "I give them a stupid search query every other week because they can't get the syntax through their head" |
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* tsbere |
also has to regularly remind them to share the containers |
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tony_ |
I have a question that I know I've just overlooked something Why install Evergreen 2.4.2 as opensrf I'm getting this error during ./configure "configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub ./configure failed" |
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eeevil |
dbs: maybe this? http://pastebin.ca/2449039 |
| 12:32 |
eeevil |
tsbere: top_plan is a bigger hammer than I'd like, but will certainly preserve your desire |
| 12:34 |
dbs |
eeevil: will give it a look-see |
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eeevil |
dbs: thankee |
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tony_ |
== I have a question that I know I've just overlooked something Why install Evergreen 2.4.2 as opensrf I'm getting this error during ./configure "configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub ./configure failed" |
| 12:38 |
dbs |
eeevil: perl -c says "Useless use of not in void context at line 1099" |
| 12:38 |
dbs |
tony_: need more info, can you paste more of the failure log? |
| 12:39 |
tony_ |
dbs_: ./configure: line 1945: config.log: Permission denied |
| 12:40 |
dbs |
tony_: okay, sounds like you ran configure under a different user before? |
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* dbs |
typically uses the "evergreen" user to do everything |
| 12:41 |
tony_ |
I did it under the opensrf I thought maybe did it under root... not sure.... Okay what would be the best plan of attack to fix this... should I rerun opensrf 2.2.0 all over and just the Evergreen side |
| 12:42 |
tony_ |
"or just Evergreen" |
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paxed |
sudo chown -R tony.tony * |
| 12:43 |
tony_ |
paxed_ and then run it as myself? |
| 12:43 |
paxed |
configure can be run as user with no root privs. |
| 12:45 |
eeevil |
dbs: doh, operator precedence ... my $optimize_join = 1 if $self->top_plan and !$NOT; # more readable |
| 12:45 |
tony_ |
paxed_ tried your idea and the system throw another error "configure: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub ./configure failed" |
| 12:46 |
tony_ |
paxed_ "thru" |
| 12:46 |
dbs |
tony_: still need more of the failure log |
| 12:47 |
tony_ |
_dbs okay hang-on let me pull the logs |
| 12:47 |
dbs |
tony_: well, even just the last 10 lines that were printed to the screen |
| 12:47 |
dbs |
eeevil++ # that looks better. now to give it a shot on our test server... |
| 12:48 |
eeevil |
dbs: thanks, man! |
| 12:52 |
tony_ |
dbs_ Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/07brltty Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: cat: read error: Is a directory Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: sh: you need to specify whom to kill Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/07preseed Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/07speakup Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: info: Running /usr/l |
| 12:53 |
tony_ |
dbs_ Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: Disabling CD in sources.list Sep 11 18:10:22 finish-install: info: Running /usr/lib/finish-install.d/10clock-setup Sep 11 18:10:22 anna-install: Installing os-prober-udeb Sep 11 18:10:22 os-prober: File descriptor 3 (pipe:[1247]) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 28714: log-output Sep 11 18:10:22 os-prober: File descriptor 4 (/dev/pts/0) leaked on lvs invocation. Parent PID 28714: log-output |
| 12:53 |
dbs |
tony_: uh, that's a different log I think :) |
| 12:54 |
tony_ |
dbs_ I need to go to bed-- I'm giving you the syslog |
| 12:54 |
dbs |
tony_: yeah, that's not going to help, sorry :/ |
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tsbere |
tony_: config.log might be a better place to look if configure is failing |
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tony_ |
tsbere_ the config logs aren't in there.. |
| 13:04 |
tony_ |
tsbere which directory should I be looking into |
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paxed |
in the same dir as configure |
| 13:05 |
tony_ |
paxed I thought that is where I just looked and couldn't find it |
| 13:05 |
tony_ |
paxed let me look again |
| 13:06 |
dbs |
eeevil: /me can confirm that bookbags are now crazy-fast as expected with that patch in place |
| 13:08 |
dbs |
alternately, not as crazy slow :) |
| 13:09 |
gmcharlt |
dbs: I do believe crazy-fast bookbags would be the ones that self-populate with recommendied reading ;) |
| 13:11 |
tony_ |
dbs what parts of this log do you want... |
| 13:11 |
tony_ |
dbs can't believe how many times I looked at this file and just couldn't see it |
| 13:13 |
eeevil |
dbs: wheeee.... I'll toss it on LP |
| 13:13 |
tony_ |
dbs here you go: ## ----------- ## ## Core tests. ## ## ----------- ## configure:2342: checking for a BSD-compatible install configure:2410: result: /usr/bin/install -c configure:2421: checking whether build environment is sane configure:2471: result: yes configure:2612: checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p configure:2651: result: /bin/mkdir -p configure:2664: checking for gawk configure:2694: result: no configure:2664: checking fo |
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tony_ |
configure:2680: found /usr/bin/mawk configure:2691: result: mawk configure:2702: checking whether make sets $(MAKE) configure:2724: result: yes configure:2842: checking build system type configure:2853: error: /bin/bash ./config.sub ./configure failed |
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dbs |
tony_: when you run ./configure --whatever, just the last screen or two of whatever gets printed to the screen. And ideally paste to http://pastebin.ca or the like |
| 13:18 |
tony_ |
dbs did that work for you |
| 13:21 |
eeevil |
dbs: separately, we should probably move the mrd join up to immediately after the core table |
| 13:22 |
dbs |
tony_: sorry, that didn't really help :/ |
| 13:26 |
tony_ |
dbs okay whatelse would be helpful |
| 13:32 |
eeevil |
dbs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1224593 |
| 13:32 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1224593 in Evergreen 2.4 "Optimize container filters in QueryParser" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
eeevil++ dbs++ |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1193095 lineitem batch actions sanity filters - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a9d8827> |
| 13:41 |
tony_ |
dbs thank you for all your help.. I found my own error and I would call the error (User Error) |
| 13:42 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] Add Zoom support to browser views - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8f3ced2> |
| 13:42 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1084758 store staff client tpac (etc) zoom pref - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2e447f3> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] Optimize container filters in QueryParser - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d1d41d1> |
| 13:48 |
eeevil |
grabbing 0826 |
| 13:48 |
dbs |
tony_++ |
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dox |
evergreen is beautiful. trying to get the school i contract for to drop follett |
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phasefx |
dox: :-) |
| 13:53 |
dox |
just wondering how generally difficult it is to get up and going, but i still have to read thru the documentation |
| 13:54 |
dox |
doesnt look difficult at all |
| 13:54 |
bshum |
Famous last words? :) |
| 13:54 |
dox |
probably, haha |
| 13:55 |
pinesol_green |
Showing latest 5 of 7 commits to Evergreen... |
| 13:55 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Etheridge] internal: an alternative to default_focus - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=35bbeae> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Etheridge] internal: JSAN socket library - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6de0fc1> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Etheridge] JSAN module autoloader for "add-ons" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8095a2e> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Etheridge] P.V. SUPA GoodStuff integration - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c31c7ab> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] Stamping P.V. SUPA upgrade scripts - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5d546cc> |
| 13:56 |
bshum |
But seriously, dox, that's awesome. And we do try to keep good notes on how to get Evergreen installed. |
| 13:56 |
dox |
yeah the documentation is excellent ;D |
| 13:56 |
bshum |
From there, you might find some good tips from the book of evergreen to get started too |
| 13:56 |
bshum |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=books:evergreen_in_action |
| 13:56 |
eeevil |
grabbing 0827 |
| 14:00 |
paxed |
dbs: some of the Fez puzzles are fiendish! |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Allow action trigger events to be repeated - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=86db717> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Remington Steed] Release notes for Action Trigger Event Repeatability - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=085fb6c> |
| 14:03 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] Stamping upgrade script for repeatable events - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=75817fa> |
| 14:13 |
bshum |
B&T-- |
| 14:13 |
bshum |
The saga continues! |
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kmlussier |
What now? |
| 14:14 |
bshum |
Just weird PO JEDI wackiness |
| 14:14 |
bshum |
Due to their request to add some more kludges to the template to handle orders special. |
| 14:19 |
dox |
do you guys have any users that have converted/migrated their library collection from follett to evergreen? just wondering how smooth/difficult it may be... |
| 14:21 |
bshum |
Some of our school libraries in our consortium migrated from Follett to Evergreen a couple years ago. We actually contracted with a third party vendor to help perform the migration for us. |
| 14:22 |
bshum |
As far as I know everything was converted nicely. |
| 14:24 |
dox |
ah ok, i see |
| 14:26 |
bshum |
My sense is that it largely depends on what sort of data you want to retain. |
| 14:28 |
jeffdavis |
Some legacy ILSs are easier to get data out of than others. |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
I think in our case, the school only opted to transfer their bibs and item holdings |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
And then we loaded new student data exported from their student database from scratch |
| 14:29 |
bshum |
So we didn't bring over any circulation information. |
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jeffdavis |
dox: We've done a few Follett migrations as well. I didn't work on them myself but I don't recall any unusual difficulties (we have a lot of migration experience). |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
senator++ # edi madness has ended :) |
| 14:39 |
bshum |
(for now) |
| 14:39 |
berick |
gmcharlt: look familiar? http://guardianlv.com/2013/09/grotesque-blobfish-proclaimed-ugliest-animal/ |
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* gmcharlt |
twitches uncontrollably |
| 14:41 |
berick |
it's official. The "MARC Blob" is the world's ugliest creature |
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dox |
thanks for the advise- i doubt they will pick evergreen because of the sysadmin necessities but who knows |
| 14:41 |
dox |
advice* |
| 14:41 |
gmcharlt |
berick++ |
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tater |
mrpeters: the eg-stats-collector is licensed. You can view it at http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/equinox.git;a=summary |
| 14:47 |
mrpeters |
thanks. actually, none of the files actually have a license, nor does the README so i just wanted to confirm. |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
the LICENSE file at the top level of the repo applies to its contents, unless a different license is mentioend by a specific file |
| 14:49 |
mrpeters |
gmcharlt: ah, i see. thanks. |
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mrpeters |
fwiw, why I was asking --- http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/mrpeters/check_pgbackup_nagios |
| 15:10 |
mrpeters |
hope that's kosher....i borrowed some date variable setting code from parse-eg-stats.pl |
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paxed |
arrrgghh |
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tony_ |
Could someone help me with a postgres 9.1 issue -- I'm getting this ERROR: could not open extension control file "/usr/share/postgresql/9.1/extension/plperl.control": No such file or directory |
| 15:32 |
tony_ |
I don't know the best process to clear this up |
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senator |
tony_: dpkg -l | grep postgresql-contrib-9.1 |
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senator |
does that return anything? |
| 15:34 |
senator |
err, hang on, i typo'd |
| 15:34 |
tony_ |
senator: no it didn't return anything |
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senator |
dpkg -l | grep postgresql-plperl-9.1 |
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senator |
^-- that's what i actually meantm |
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^--- so do you think that did the trick or was I expectin something |
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senator |
that command doesn't fix anything, it just tells you what you're missing |
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senator |
the second one returns nothing too? |
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tony_ |
senator what other one |
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senator |
the version where i corrected myself and replaced 'contrib' with 'plperl' |
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tony_ |
^-- Oh I didn't see that one |
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senator |
if that one also yields no output, it suggests steps missed during evergreen installation |
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tony_ |
It returned nothing.. so re-do the install for Evergreen or just Postgres |
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senator |
the prerequisites installer, the bits about "Makefile.install" |
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tony_ |
Okay let me try that |
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senator |
postgres by itself would be super easy |
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senator |
these are steps from the evergreen docs i mean |
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Hi Everyone! Quick question about these upgrade scripts (yes, I'm still working on that)... Going from 2.3.3. to 2.4.1: Should I run 2.3-2.4.0-upgrade-db.sql, 2.3-2.4-supplemental.sh, 2.4.0-2.4.1-upgrade-db.sql in that order? |
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tony_ |
I understood |
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csharp |
hopkinsju: yes, I think so |
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hopkinsju |
csharp++ Thanks! |
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[evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Allow translation of acq.cancel_reason texts. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=777798d> |
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[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#856688 OUS to disable org unit as hold pickup lib - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=33206c4> |
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dbwells++ # got the LDAP test script to authenticate with the right credentials. Very handy, thank you sir! |
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[evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Fix PCrudFilterPane generating illegal queries when using the "not like" and "not between" operators. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=052d0ee> |
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can someone tell me how to fix fopen: Permission denied when installing ejabberd.. I've done a --purge ejabberd and I get this error at that time and when I do an apt-get install I get the same error |
