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00:15 rfrasur jcamins: ty...will look into that.
00:15 * rfrasur also calls it a night.
01:21 * paxed wonders if he's doing something wrong. installing manually, doing the "configure, make, make install" results in cp: cannot stat ‘branding/*’: No such file or directory
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01:31 paxed also, INSTALL says cp Open-ILS/examples/apache_24/eg.conf ... but the apache 2.4 files are eg_24.conf and eg_vhost_24.conf
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08:56 csharp netsplits--
08:58 dbs paxed: master, at least, doesn't say that.
09:00 dbs as part of a2078f2213a
09:00 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Update docs for Fedora install - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a2078f2>
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09:23 paxed dbs: line 220?
09:24 paxed err
09:24 dbs http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.​git;a=blob;f=docs/installation/server_inst​allation.txt;h=9834628255b784dd02fb8a6fb92​54b0138f04f64;hb=refs/heads/master#l220 looks good to me.
09:25 paxed yea, i got confused by how the debian/ubuntu is for apache < 2.4, and the fedore is for apache >= 2.4
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10:47 paxed aaaargh
10:48 bshum Sounds about right today.
10:48 paxed if it was only for today, it would be a relief.
10:48 paxed unfortunately, this has been going on for days now. and unless this is solved, we will not be able to use evergreen.
10:51 paxed fieldmapper gives english texts. seems like at random.
10:51 paxed possibly a caching problem.
10:53 dbs Are you using most recent OpenSRF master? https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/1188195 seems applicable
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10:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1188195 in OpenSRF "Per-process default session locale for clients (Perl)" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Fix committed]
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10:57 paxed dbs: i think so, but i will redo our dev box to be sure
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12:10 csharp gmcharlt++ # volunteering to teach IRC school
12:11 gmcharlt er, more of a TA role was what I had in mind :)
12:11 csharp heh
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12:33 paxed dbs: ok, i now definitely have that opensrf fix. and it doesn't help.
12:34 paxed dbs: on linux, it usually(?) works. on windows, not at all.
12:37 paxed would anyone be willing to test this for me? http://62.148.106.91/staff_client/ (use the _testing.exe one), and use that same server to log on. egadmin/egadmin
12:41 paxed this isn't good. because we should be deploying in few months ...
12:48 dbs paxed: um, what server?
12:49 paxed ^
12:50 paxed the ip
12:50 csharp paxed: testing... what should I be looking for?
12:50 paxed csharp: change the staff client language to finnish. see if patron registration is in english or in finnish.
12:50 csharp (btw, it's weird in an awesome way to see all this finnish!)
12:50 csharp ah - ok
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12:52 csharp okay - yeah, I see English in the staff registration
12:52 paxed oh good, it's not just us.
12:52 paxed and this is on windows, right?
12:54 csharp yep Windows 7
12:54 csharp I'm creating a new profile to see if that changes anything...
12:56 csharp yep - still English
12:56 paxed both OpenSRF and Evergreen are current master
13:00 csharp paxed: if I can help test anything else, just let me know
13:00 paxed i have no idea how to proceed further.
13:02 csharp sorry, I haven't needed to know this, so I just don't know... at what point should fi-FI be loaded?
13:02 csharp is it done in the build process or on the fly somehow?
13:06 bshum paxed: Tested with Linux side and it also doesn't play nicely.
13:06 bshum (not that you need the extra confirmation I guess)
13:08 csharp okay, so this - http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.gi​t;a=blob;f=build/i18n/po/fm_IDL.dtd/fi-FI.po - is where the text is that *should* be loaded in the patron registration screen, right?
13:10 * csharp reads the GNU gettext overview, which answers his questions
13:11 csharp http://www.gnu.org/software/gette​xt/manual/html_node/Overview.html
13:15 bshum @hate using the phone
13:15 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.  bshum hates using the phone.
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13:43 dbwells paxed: Maybe you already know all this, but I am trying to familiarize myself with how the translated IDL works.  In testing, I could get the translated IDL labels to show in the Patron Reg screen in Firefox.
13:43 dbwells Here is what I did:
13:44 dbwells 1) In about:config, I set the intl.accept_languages = fi-FI
13:44 dbwells 2) cleared cache, and browsed to http://62.148.106.91/eg/actor/user/register
13:46 dbwells The 'IDL2js' Apache module looks first in the query string for a locale, then in the 'Accept-Language' header.  Since I don't see the locale set in any IDL2js requests, I am assuming it is expecting the "Accept-Language" header to be set.
13:47 dbwells I don't know how that is supposed to be set in the staff client, but you could use about:config to set it there if needed.
13:48 paxed dbwells: setting the locale in the staff client sets intl.accept_languages
13:49 dbwells paxed: where does one set the locale in the staff client?
13:49 tsbere login screen
13:50 dbwells ah, right, thanks
13:50 phasefx dbwells: paxed: a heavy-handed hack I did before IDL2js got smarter with locales was to make an alternate base.tt2 for the patron editor to load, one that omitted the <script> tag for /IDL2js
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14:03 dbwells paxed: If you hardcode 'fi-FI' as the default locale in OpenILS/WWW/IDL2js.pm, does that help?  Just trying to narrow down the source of the problem...
14:03 dbwells fg
14:03 berick ctrl-z
14:03 gmcharlt bg
14:04 dbwells dang, where did vi go? ;)
14:06 paxed dbwells: ok, i just hardcoded $locale = 'fi-FI'; in handler...
14:08 paxed doesn't seem to help, but i don't know if that's cached or not.
14:11 berick it's cached per locale
14:12 paxed right, saw that. restarting eg
14:15 paxed well, now i'm getting finnish on the field labels, but all the rest of it is still in english (the Examples, "Save" and "Save & Clone" -button, etc)
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14:17 dbwells Those labels wouldn't be from the IDL, so that's a different issue altogether.
14:17 dbwells Well, maybe not 'altogether different', but still different.
14:19 paxed osrfsys.log: http://62.148.106.91/osrfsys.txt
14:20 paxed that's live, and loglevel is 4, so...
14:22 dbwells I am wondering if the "oils://remote" wrapper thingy doesn't send along the 'Accept-Language' header or something.  But really, I am now just combining two things I know very little about :)
14:25 dbs paxed: you've added alert() or console.log() stuff to dojo/fieldmapper/IDL.js to check on the value of OpenSRF.locale?
14:26 paxed dbs: istr i did last week, and OpenSRF.locale was '' or something like that - but i could be mistaken
14:27 dbs That would be a helpful piece. As would seeing if that block of code where the dojo.xhr() call is made is even ever invoked
14:28 paxed dbs: ah, right - i think that piece of code was never executed in my tests.
14:32 paxed just put an alert in IDL.js before the dojo.xhrGet() to show OpenSRF.locale - and it just doesn't happen.
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14:35 jbfink hey people, help a sleep deprived dude out:
14:35 jbfink in http://evergreen-ils.org/docume​ntation/install/README_2_4.html section 9, in the eg_db_config thing, what is the right value for <port>?
14:36 bshum jbfink: Most of the time it's usually 5432 (if the postgres is running on the default port)
14:37 jbfink aces
14:37 jbfink danke
14:38 eeevil berick: do you recall the benefits of IDL2js over AutoIDL and IDL chunking? was there a serious speed increase? or was it only recently that AutoIDL learned about locale awareness?
14:44 berick eeevil: IDL2js is smaller/faster than loading fm_IDL.xml.
14:44 berick IDL2js does chunking, fwiw, but the staff client always loads the whole thing anyway
14:46 berick i don't recall how much smaller/faster, though
14:46 eeevil berick: ah, the xul interfaces in particular? (and those html ones not yet taught how to use AutoIDL, I guess)
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14:48 berick yeah, mostly the xul interfaces or any interface where we know we need a wide array of classes so we just use the whole thing, since it's cached in the browser/xul
14:48 jbfink does eg_db_config make changes to ejabberd?
14:48 jbfink at the very end of step 9, something happens that makes my ejabberd not start.
14:48 berick also, there are some cases where AutoIDL does not give you everthing you need.  trying to recall the details.. stuff like  var f = new fieldmapper.abc()
14:48 berick will fail in a pure AutoIDL environmen
14:48 berick t
14:50 eeevil if the class def for abc hasn't been loaded yet, you mean?
14:50 berick right
14:50 eeevil right... you'd have to OpenSRF.IDL.load(['abc']) first
14:51 eeevil or similar
14:51 eeevil (however it's spelled ... I should look a the code ;) )
14:52 jbfink actually hang on a sec
14:52 jbfink aright nevermind, got it
14:54 jbfink holy god it works
14:55 jbfink functioning dockerized evergreen
14:55 bshum jbfink: What's "dockerized"?  And cool!  :)
14:56 jbfink bshum: http://docker.io
14:56 paxed berick, eeevil: i'd appreciate any pointers ...
14:56 jbfink bshum: basically a kinda-sorta virtualization thing, except portable -- meaning I can give you my dockerized evergreen and you can run it exactly how it works for me.
14:56 jbfink provided you have a working docker install.
14:56 bshum jbfink: Ah, interesting.
14:57 berick paxed: well, i'm only partly paying attention, but it sounds like the locale is not making it from the staff client to the IDL2js, correct?
14:58 eeevil paxed: I'm trying to reason in the general area of the problem ... to see if there's some foundational logic problem that we're just now discovering. I think dbwells may be onto something, though, with the oils:// scheme theory
14:59 * phasefx remembers testing the IDL2js patch for localization support and having it work, specifically with the patron editor
14:59 * eeevil wonders if there's some way to log incoming headers that apache sees
15:00 phasefx or, I vaguely remember that
15:04 berick paxed: is the patron editor what you're looking at?
15:18 paxed berick: yes.
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15:20 paxed phasefx: istr i did the same thing (or whatever the change was), and patron editor worked then. although now i'm starting to suspect it was cached ...
15:20 berick paxed: if you view source on the patron reg screen (under debug along top-right of xul window), does it show fi_fi for the html lang / xml:lang ?
15:22 paxed berick: yes
15:23 berick and just to clarify, what we're talking about now are the strings in the page, not the IDL labels, correct?
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15:23 berick the conversation from 14:15 (eastern) says IDL labels are now working..
15:23 jbfink now gotta figure out a programmatic way to change ejabberd passes, reflect changes in opensrf_core.xml, and also everything else I assigned a very lame password to.
15:24 moodaepo bshum++
15:24 paxed berick: the idl labels are working because i tested a hard-coding the locale in IDL2js.pm
15:24 berick oh, ok
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15:24 paxed berick: i'll remove that test, and restart eg &c to clear the cache
15:24 berick paxed: mind testing this?  user/berick/staff-web-ui-idl-locale
15:25 berick @ working
15:25 pinesol_green berick: Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shell script!
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15:26 berick i don't know why accept-lang is not coming through, but that patch will take advantage of the already-parsed locale and relay it to IDL2js
15:27 paxed berick: will do...
15:36 paxed berick: hmm... well. the idl labels seem to work now. unfortunately this isn't good enough, because the rest is still in english.
15:37 berick well, one technical hurdle at a time
15:37 paxed yeah
15:37 berick that's very odd that the template engine (EGWeb.pm) has the correct locale
15:38 berick but it's not loading the correct template..
15:38 berick well, wait, do you have a po file for that UI?
15:38 paxed berick: one other data point: for some reason everything works for me on linux. (that is, i get everything we've translated in finnish)
15:39 paxed not just the idl stuff, but also the other texts on the page.
15:40 berick so.. the problem is the windows staff client?
15:41 paxed i don't know. i've randomly seen it not working on linux too - but it's very rare.
15:42 berick paxed: same server in both cases, though?
15:42 paxed ... perhaps related to bug 1096871
15:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1096871 in Evergreen "TPAC swaps between translated strings in search filter lists" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1096871
15:42 paxed yes
15:43 paxed and, i really must say this: if we can't solve the problem, we'll crash and burn. there's no way we could use evergreen...
15:48 berick paxed: ah, you should save the big guns for the big problems!  this is probably a lame, 2-line bug somewhere.
15:48 berick paxed: mind setting your apache log level to debug and telling me what you see when you load the patron reg UI in the apache logs.  something like:
15:48 berick [Tue Sep 10 15:46:16 2013] [debug] EGWeb.pm(77): [client 65.190.183.162] egweb: messages locale = en_us
15:48 berick [Tue Sep 10 15:46:17 2013] [debug] IDL2js.pm(83): [client 65.190.183.162] IDL2js using locale 'en-US'
15:50 berick similarly, does it work if you load the UI from Firefox?  https://hostname/eg/actor/user/register ?
15:52 paxed berick: https://62.148.106.91/eg/actor/user/register
15:52 paxed in firefox, the IDL are in english, the string already in the page are in finnish.
15:53 paxed you mean apache logs or osrfsys.log or what?
15:55 berick apache error logs (e.g. /var/log/apache2/error.log)
15:58 berick that's odd the IDL is english in FF.  the IDL link in the source is correct and returns finnish.  wonder if a clear-cache is needed in the FF test.  /me can't see the IDL strings in the page w/o a login
15:58 paxed berick: egadmin/egadmin
15:58 paxed it's a dev server
15:59 berick phasefx: thanks..  i'm getting finnish for the IDL labels there.
15:59 paxed /etc/apache2/apache2.conf:LogLevel debug    ... but i can't see the egweb/IDL2js locale message.
15:59 paxed in the apache log
15:59 berick Tunnus, Vaihtoehtoinen käyttäjätunnus, Salasana...
16:00 berick well that's odd
16:00 berick re: logs
16:01 paxed and my intl.accept_languages is fi-FI and i don't get finnish for the IDL labels.
16:01 berick in FF, though, i'm not getting finnish for the page strings
16:01 paxed so the total opposite for me.
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16:02 berick hm, ok, in FF i have Finnish [fi] as a locale
16:02 berick but not fi-FI
16:02 berick FF doesn't give me an fi-FI option
16:03 paxed change accept_languages to just "fi" - and everything is in english.
16:04 paxed hm. are the User setting names also IDL labels?
16:04 paxed the default phone number, etc? because i get those in finnish.
16:05 phasefx I'd expect those to be coming from i18n_core
16:06 berick yeah, what phasefx said
16:06 berick via config.org_unit_setting_type
16:06 paxed ...and wtf? i just reloaded the page, on both linux (my OS), and windows (running under virtualbox), and both now show everything in finnish?!!
16:06 berick .label
16:07 berick hm, ok, something getting cached somewhere?
16:07 paxed ergh.
16:07 dbwells berick: Not sure if it helps (not following closely), but I was earlier able to use about:config in FF to set the intl.accept_languages = fi-FI manually, if that helps for testing.
16:07 berick ah, thanks dbwells
16:07 paxed well, the linux one shows everything in finnish. the windows one doesn't show the page strings, only idl labels, in finnish.
16:08 berick w/ that (fi-FI), it's all finnish for me (in FF)
16:09 * berick tries a few shift-reloads
16:09 * berick watches the bits flying across (under?) the Atlantic
16:10 dbwells berick: yes, it was all Finnish that way for me earlier, too.  Not sure if it was luck, or a staff client-specific problem, or something else.
16:10 paxed so, basically, everyone gets different results?
16:10 paxed should i perhaps turn off memcached or something?
16:11 berick well, i'm consistently getting all finnish in FF on linux using fi-FI
16:11 * berick tries swapping locales back and forth
16:11 paxed what about the staff client on windows?
16:12 berick two things I don't have handy
16:12 paxed http://62.148.106.91/staff_client/ - can't help with the lack of windows, though...
16:13 phasefx I'll poke at the client in a seoncd
16:13 phasefx second, even
16:16 paxed is there a way to turn off caching on the server end all together? would just turning off memcached do the trick?
16:16 berick switching to en-US, everything *but* the IDL is english consistently (FF/linux).  oddly, the template thinks the locale is fi-FI.
16:17 phasefx still hard-coded?
16:17 dbwells Earlier on, I was able to get it to load in FF fine, but the Staff Client wouldn't work.  I verified that the intl.whatever setting as 'fi-FI' even in the staff client, but that didn't seem to matter.  That's what made me wonder whether the 'oils://remote' wrapper was losing 'Accept-Language'.  Just recapping... :)
16:18 dbwells berick: I had suggested as a troubleshooting means to hardcode 'fi-FI' in IDL2js.  Not sure if that is still in effect, or how hard-coded it was (i.e. just a default, or always not matter what).
16:19 dbwells s/not matter what/no matter what/
16:19 paxed dbwells: i removed the hardcoded locale in there, the only change from master right now is working/user/berick/staff-web-ui-idl-locale
16:19 dbwells paxed: ok, good to know.
16:20 paxed except, whoops, i forgot to remove the change from base.tt2
16:20 paxed fixing...
16:20 * dbwells should probably stop drifting in and out of this conversation
16:20 paxed well, now FF works as it should, eveything in finnish.
16:21 paxed client on linux works too.
16:21 paxed client on windows: no worky.
16:22 berick paxed: so, do you get anything in the apache error log?
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16:23 phasefx paxed: one thing to watch out for; you may need to restart the client whenever you change locale
16:23 jeff a pox on all vendors and software that doesn't comprehend the concept of a unique/database id vs a barcode.
16:23 berick also, are you using syslog?  if so, it might help to temporarily use a local log file for apache.  i've seen oddness w/ apache+syslog
16:23 paxed phasefx: i am aware of that, believe you me.
16:23 dbwells jeff: MeLCat related? :)
16:23 jeff indeed.
16:24 berick paxed: and in windows it still shows lang fi_fi in the template source?
16:24 paxed berick: yes.
16:24 berick that's so freaky
16:24 jeff NCIP acknowledges that the Visible ID and the Unique ID are or can be distinct values.
16:24 berick because that's the locale used to load the template files
16:25 paxed berick: i'm getting the successfull requests in /etc/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log - error.log shows nothing.
16:25 berick paxed: not access log, eror log
16:25 berick they're usually different
16:25 berick oh, maybe you meant both, sorry
16:25 paxed -rw-r-----  1 root adm        0 elo    4 06:25 error.log
16:25 berick ok, yeah, that should pretty much never be empty
16:25 berick if it's being used
16:26 berick error logs must be going somewhere else
16:26 jeff Unfortunately, testing with this implementation shows that the mandatory UniqueUserId/UserIdentifierValue is discarded and only the value of UserOptionalFields/VisibleU​serId/VisibleUserIdentifier is stored, and used for subsequent requests (in the UniqueUserId/UserIdentifierValue field, of course)
16:26 berick also, to confirm, the template source in the linux staff client shows the same lang/xml:lang of fi_fi ?
16:27 paxed berick: yes
16:27 berick crazy
16:28 berick jeff: ncip is like trying to speak 2 different lanuages via morse code
16:29 paxed berick: urgh, yes, eg errors go to syslog apparently
16:29 berick i suppose ncip is not alone in that regard, though
16:29 jeff no.
16:29 * paxed wonders whose idea that was...
16:30 phasefx paxed: with your win client, it defaulted to Finnish; everything looks correct except the patron editor.  When I view source, I see lang='fi_fi' xml:lang='fi_fi', and some obviously Finnish stuff like the title and some text in the hidden oils login template
16:31 berick s/2 different languages/1 slightly different language for every ils implementation/
16:32 csharp "standards"--
16:32 csharp karma "standards"
16:32 csharp @karma "standards"
16:32 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "standards" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2.
16:32 paxed phasefx: yes, i see the same thing. (and the idl labels are in english for you too...?)
16:33 dbwells jeff: That's exactly the problem we hit back in April, fwiw.  Still waiting for an "update" on that...
16:33 paxed so maybe it is just the windows client.
16:33 jeff if ($conf{broker_uses_patron_​barcode_for_uniqueuserid}) :P
16:34 jeff dbwells: in your environment, are you able to use patron barcodes, and it was just a few places in the ncip responder cgi that were confused with regard to barcode vs id?
16:35 jeff dbwells: or are you hoping/trying to use database ids as the central broker identifier, either because your barcodes are not able to be sent to the state library system, or because you'd rather not deal with the long involved merge process when someone gets a new barcode?
16:35 paxed phasefx: interesting though that FF shows the page in Finnish, but the login texts in english, and the page lang/xml:lang = en_us ...
16:37 dbwells jeff: right, the second.  We didn't want users getting a new account whenever they got a new barcode.  If they would just "believe" the UniqueUserId we sent them, all would be fine.
16:38 * tsbere has at least one vendor he wants to use unique IDs from evergreen but can never seem to get anyone willing to talk to him about it - They assume that barcodes never change or something.
16:39 dbwells jeff: I think we even tested sending back nothing *but* the ID in the the lookupuser response, but it didn't matter; whatever the patron typed in to get looked up, that was their UniqueId for the rest of the interaction (based on my 5 months old memories, at least).
16:41 paxed berick:
16:41 paxed Sep 10 23:41:23 egdev apache2[31157]: [debug] EGWeb.pm(77): [client 62.240.71.4] egweb: messages locale = fi_fi
16:41 paxed Sep 10 23:41:24 egdev apache2[31166]: [debug] IDL2js.pm(79): [client 62.240.71.4] Invalid IDL2js locale ''; using en-US
16:42 jeff dbwells: yeah. i'm testing a little more, but i've seen nothing that would contradict that.
16:43 berick paxed: which test does that match?
16:43 berick which client/locale/etc, i mean
16:44 paxed berick: windows client, finnish. and shows english, of course.
16:44 berick paxed: hm, did you remove my working patch?
16:47 phasefx if I change the URL for the frame containing the patron editor to /IDL2js, I get a decidedly English set of javascript back
16:48 berick phasefx: change it to /IDL2js?locale=fi-FI
16:48 paxed berick: ok, i added your change back now.
16:48 berick paxed: cool, thanks
16:48 phasefx berick: that gives me Finnish
16:48 berick phasefx: try now w/ the patch applied
16:48 berick the reg page, i mean
16:50 phasefx Finnish througha nd through
16:50 phasefx well, except for the User Settings
16:52 phasefx and the word Example: next to some of the date widgets
16:52 phasefx and a few other strings
16:52 berick phasefx: buttons along top/right are english, too, i bet?
16:52 berick save, save clone
16:52 phasefx yeah, IDL is Finnish, Save, Generate Password, etc. are not
16:52 paxed berick: everything on the patron reg page has been translated
16:52 berick paxed: indeed.  i can see it all in FF
16:52 berick so, how does EGWeb.pm have the right locale, but serves up the wrong template?
16:52 berick that's confuzzling
16:52 phasefx no proxies or anything?
16:57 phasefx paxed: berick: the columns in patron search are powered by the IDL.  In the column picker, they're not getting translated.  The Finnish you do see there is being prefixed by the javascript
16:58 phasefx for Mailing Address and Billing Address
16:59 berick yeah, i'm thinking my idl patch is just a partial crutch.  at a different level, something's borked at a slightly different level
16:59 berick typing--
17:00 paxed well, it's midnight.
17:00 paxed i'm off to bed...
17:00 berick paxed: i'll pull up my windows vm tomorrow, see if I can't give it a poke
17:02 paxed berick: thanks. i'm sure i can survive few more days ...
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17:04 phasefx there are horrible kludges available if things get dire
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17:16 csharp @eightball by "kludges" does phasefx mean "windows"?
17:16 pinesol_green csharp: Maybe...
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21:28 bshum @roulette
21:28 pinesol_green bshum: *click*
21:28 kmlussier bshum: Good evening!
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