| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:01 |
phasefx |
Fem: if you load http://192.168.100.53/ in Internet Explorer, what you do see? |
| 00:01 |
Fem |
It works! This is the default web page for this server. The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet. |
| 00:02 |
Fem |
do you think the two .js is a bug of 2.3.9? |
| 00:02 |
phasefx |
hrmm, but we disabled that with a2dissite, so you shouldn't be seeing that |
| 00:02 |
Fem |
what u mean? |
| 00:02 |
phasefx |
I suspect we're not going to the right server somehow |
| 00:03 |
phasefx |
your ifconfig showed the .53 address, so I'm confused |
| 00:04 |
Fem |
o.O |
| 00:04 |
Fem |
I didn't get you sir. |
| 00:04 |
phasefx |
Fem: in one terminal, do tail -f /var/log/apache2/access.log /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 00:04 |
Fem |
don't |
| 00:06 |
phasefx |
then reload the webpage in Internet Explorer and see if there is activity in that terminal |
| 00:08 |
Fem |
still it say's it works |
| 00:08 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (25 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/40 |
| 00:10 |
eeeeevil |
"/openils/var/web/xul/rel_2_3_9/server/main/OpenILS" i just saw this error what you think? |
| 00:10 |
phasefx |
I think that's JSAN trying to find a repository |
| 00:10 |
Fem |
hmmm |
| 00:10 |
Fem |
what JSAN? |
| 00:11 |
bshum |
That unfound OpenILS happens all the time in production. I just ignore it and use it to count the number of times staff log in with a client. |
| 00:11 |
phasefx |
eeeeevil: the weird thing is that the server's IP address is blah.53, and on the server, wget -O- http://blah.53/opac/common/js/fmall.js gives a 404, but http://localhost/opac/common/js/fmall.js works |
| 00:13 |
phasefx |
Fem: JSAN is a library that the staff client uses internally; we can ignore it |
| 00:14 |
phasefx |
Fem: try a2dissite default-ssl |
| 00:14 |
phasefx |
as root |
| 00:15 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (3 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/41 |
| 00:15 |
Fem |
disabled... |
| 00:17 |
Fem |
phasefx when i type the " http://localhost/opac/common/js/fmall.js " in linux it shows this... |
| 00:19 |
Fem |
prntscr.com/1nuu6s |
| 00:21 |
phasefx |
Fem: try telnet localhost 80 then enter help do the same for telnet 192.168.100.53 80 |
| 00:22 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (11 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/42 |
| 00:23 |
Fem |
so? |
| 00:23 |
phasefx |
you typed help and it just closed the connection without spitting anything else out? |
| 00:27 |
phasefx |
instead of help, do the telnet command for localhost and type GET / HTTP/1.1 <press enter> host: localhost <press enter> <press enter> |
| 00:30 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (29 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/43 |
| 00:30 |
Fem |
I don't know if i get correctly but uhmm |
| 00:31 |
Fem |
check it.. |
| 00:31 |
phasefx |
host: needs to spelled out; and I'll want to see one iteration with host: localhost and another with host: 192.168.100.53 |
| 00:31 |
phasefx |
and then the same with telnet 192.168.100.53 instead of telent localhost |
| 00:35 |
Fem |
its the same error.. |
| 00:35 |
Fem |
I don't know if i get correctly. |
| 00:36 |
phasefx |
an example: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/44 |
| 00:45 |
phasefx |
Fem: I need to sleep; most folks will show up here in about 8 hours or so. The mailing list may be a good place to try to get help as well |
| 00:46 |
phasefx |
since srfsh works, you're very close. You may want to install that .exe in ubuntu using Wine, and use localhost for the hostname in the staff client, just to see it work |
| 00:48 |
Fem |
what .exe |
| 00:48 |
Fem |
wine? |
| 00:49 |
phasefx |
the staff client exe you downloaded |
| 00:49 |
phasefx |
wine is a program for linux that lets you run windows programs |
| 00:51 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (27 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/45 |
| 00:51 |
Fem |
how to use it? |
| 00:51 |
Fem |
anyway do you think I made it right now? |
| 00:52 |
phasefx |
can you do that same telnet test, but do telnet 192.168.100.53 80 instead of telnet localhost 80? |
| 00:53 |
Fem |
400 bad request |
| 00:53 |
Fem |
when i type telnet 192.168.100.53 80 |
| 00:54 |
phasefx |
so you don't even get a chance to type the GET / HTTP/1.1 part? |
| 00:55 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (27 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/46 |
| 00:55 |
Fem |
now i think i made it right |
| 00:56 |
phasefx |
alright, one last test, change the host: line to host: 192.168.100.53 instead of host: localhost |
| 00:56 |
Fem |
yea I already do that.. |
| 00:56 |
Fem |
it says 400 bad request |
| 00:56 |
phasefx |
I haven't seen that output |
| 00:56 |
Fem |
oh boy I thin I didnt post that.. |
| 00:56 |
Fem |
wait |
| 00:58 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (24 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/47 |
| 00:58 |
Fem |
I think now it works |
| 00:58 |
eeeeevil |
hmmm move your folder www to openils |
| 00:59 |
phasefx |
Fem: does ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ only show eg.conf? |
| 01:00 |
eeeeevil |
nope |
| 01:00 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (5 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/48 |
| 01:00 |
* phasefx |
had Fem do a2dissite earlier, saw the output |
| 01:00 |
Fem |
hmmm.... 2 |
| 01:01 |
phasefx |
but it's still there, bleh |
| 01:01 |
phasefx |
try a2dissite 000-default |
| 01:01 |
Fem |
root? |
| 01:01 |
phasefx |
yeap |
| 01:01 |
pastebot |
"fem" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "client error in evergreen" (5 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/49 |
| 01:02 |
Fem |
so? what you think? |
| 01:02 |
phasefx |
now do what it says, service apache2 reload |
| 01:02 |
eeeeevil |
I think fem is new in linux am i right dear? |
| 01:02 |
phasefx |
indeed |
| 01:03 |
Fem |
ok now |
| 01:03 |
phasefx |
Fem: try staff client now |
| 01:03 |
Fem |
it works... thanks... |
| 01:04 |
Fem |
I will now log that... I am new in linux.. haha |
| 01:05 |
phasefx |
@later tell eeevil lots of evil around here :) |
| 01:05 |
pinesol_green |
phasefx: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:06 |
Fem |
a big thanks to you. |
| 01:07 |
phasefx |
glad it's working |
| 01:08 |
phasefx |
those a2dissite instructions could be robustified |
| 01:08 |
Fem |
aggreed |
| 01:09 |
Fem |
you from evergreen? |
| 01:11 |
phasefx |
Fem: everyone in this channel is involved with Evergreen one way or another; but no one is "from" Evergreen |
| 01:11 |
Fem |
1 more sir...I am the one who will make the online of evergreen? |
| 01:11 |
Fem |
I mean I am the one who will build the website? |
| 01:12 |
phasefx |
you're saying you are in charge of getting Evergreen running for your library? |
| 01:12 |
Fem |
yes |
| 01:12 |
Fem |
sadly yes.. |
| 01:14 |
phasefx |
Fem: welcome to #evergreen :) |
| 01:18 |
Fem |
haha thanks..... |
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| 08:07 |
csharp |
ok - having a weird error sometimes when I create a reports template and attempt to run it and my folders (within the report definition grid - e.g. "Choose a folder to store this report definition:") are not displaying |
| 08:08 |
csharp |
JavaScript Console output: TypeError OILS_RPT_TRANSFORMS[par.column.transform] is undefined oils://remote/reports/oils_report_param_editor.js |
| 08:10 |
csharp |
oh - line 56 |
| 08:11 |
csharp |
$n(row, 'transform').appendChild(text(OILS_RPT_TRANSFORMS[par.column.transform].label)); |
| 08:11 |
csharp |
this seems to happen when I attempt reports that dig into MARC fields and such |
| 08:12 |
csharp |
but I don't know if that error is a red herring or if the MARC fields are the issue |
| 08:14 |
* csharp |
has trouble untangling javascript :-/ |
| 08:14 |
csharp |
@monologue |
| 08:14 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long. |
| 08:15 |
csharp |
oh - hmm - maybe it's use of "substring" that's causing the issue |
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| 08:16 |
csharp |
yep |
| 08:16 |
csharp |
if I change the "transform" from substring to raw data I'm able to see everything as expected |
| 08:17 |
paxed |
csharp: there's also bug 1100262 |
| 08:17 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1100262 in Evergreen 2.4 "Report editor uses translated string internally and crashes" (affected: 4, heat: 14) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100262 |
| 08:17 |
paxed |
those sneaky transformeses |
| 08:18 |
csharp |
paxed: thanks - I just came across that bug too, but didn't know if it was related |
| 08:19 |
csharp |
sounds like the same thing though |
| 08:23 |
* csharp |
adds a "me too (I think)" comment to the bug report |
| 08:23 |
csharp |
paxed++ |
| 08:25 |
csharp |
I just experimented with removing my hard-coded value for the substring - still not working |
| 08:26 |
csharp |
so selecting substring appears to break reports |
| 08:30 |
jboyer-isl |
csharp: only when building them, or do past reports with substring also fail? |
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| 08:37 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl: I haven't dug that far yet |
| 08:37 |
csharp |
I imagine substring is seldom used by your average reports runner |
| 08:41 |
jboyer-isl |
That's true. I do have a few cooked up though, so it at least worked on 2.2. What are you running currently? 2.3? |
| 08:47 |
csharp |
yeah 2.3.6 |
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| 08:54 |
csharp |
Open-ILS/web/reports/oils_rpt_param_editor.js hasn't been touched in five years, so maybe it could be more xulrunner weirdness? |
| 08:55 |
* csharp |
doesn't know enough about it to know :-/ |
| 08:55 |
jboyer-isl |
Oh, I was wrong. I don't think I've used the Substring transform, only the Contains Matching Substring operator. How is it supposed to even work? |
| 08:56 |
csharp |
oh hmm - I didn't realize there was that operator ;-) |
| 08:56 |
csharp |
lemme try that |
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| 08:57 |
csharp |
aha - that does work |
| 08:57 |
csharp |
so maybe "substring" as a transform never worked? |
| 08:58 |
csharp |
at least that gives me the template I wanted! |
| 08:58 |
jboyer-isl |
Quite possible. I never knew how it was supposed to since you can't supply start and length params. |
| 08:58 |
csharp |
jboyer-isl++ # thanks! |
| 08:59 |
jboyer-isl |
I like the (ignore case) version more myself, but that's a personal thing. :) |
| 08:59 |
jboyer-isl |
Glad your report is going! |
| 08:59 |
csharp |
yeah - that's what I'm using |
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Dyrcona |
Fun with mailman! |
| 09:23 |
jboyer-isl |
Hmm. Doesn't /sound/ like fun. |
| 09:41 |
tsbere |
jboyer-isl: It is fun. For him. Because *I* get to fix it. ;) |
| 09:43 |
csharp |
heh |
| 09:43 |
csharp |
mailman++ |
| 09:46 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it's not that much fun when you get errors creating a new list. |
| 09:51 |
jboyer-isl |
I suppose it still beats majordomo. That was the last one I fought with. Plus, if someone else gets to make it work, how bad an experience can it be? :D |
| 09:53 |
jboyer-isl |
Ugh, I, apparently, use, too, many, commas. Must be a programming related disease; passing sentence fragments as params to something or other, hah. |
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| 09:58 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. I have that same tendency. |
| 09:59 |
Dyrcona |
I put them where I might usually pause when speaking, but this is not always where good grammar says that they should be. |
| 10:07 |
* csharp |
is a former English major who thinks that grammar rules should be more descriptive than prescriptive |
| 10:08 |
* tater |
now knows csharp reads SlashDot |
| 10:08 |
csharp |
ha! |
| 10:10 |
* Dyrcona |
doesn't visit Slashdot as much as he used to. |
| 10:10 |
* Dyrcona |
thinks it has gone downhill since CmdrTaco went to the Washington Post. |
| 10:11 |
csharp |
hey, apparently so has the Washington Post! badump bing! |
| 10:11 |
Dyrcona |
Ha! |
| 10:12 |
* csharp |
is here all week |
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krvmga |
the jacket pictures that show up in the catalog are re-sized on the fly, yes? |
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| 10:43 |
jeff |
krvmga: nothing in evergreen re-sizes the images at this time. there are various sizes available from providers, and the user's web browser will re-size them to fit the dimensions specified (if/where specified) in the html/css |
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| 10:43 |
jeff |
krvmga: nothing in evergreen re-sizes the images at this time. there are various sizes available from providers, and the user's web browser will re-size them to fit the dimensions specified (if/where specified) in the html/css |
| 10:43 |
jeff |
krvmga: hopefully that helps without overly complicating things. |
| 10:43 |
krvmga |
jeff: thanks, it does. |
| 10:52 |
csharp |
@blame teh interwebz |
| 10:52 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: teh interwebz broke Evergreen. |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
The pipes are full! |
| 10:55 |
paxed |
choo! choo! all aboard the bus-sized fatberg! |
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bshum |
kmlussier++ #digging up lost bugs |
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krvmga |
sounds like a kid's book: "kmlussier and the island of lost bugs" |
| 11:22 |
* kmlussier |
is generally afraid of bugs and doesn't want to be stuck on an island with a bunch of lost ones. |
| 11:24 |
krvmga |
:) |
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jboyer-isl |
Ooh, the island of misfit bugs. "And what do you do?" "I make the patron summary window chartreuse when they owe over $5.00 and it's a Tuesday." "Well, I'm a dentist." |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 11:47 |
phasefx |
/me did not actually write out chartreuse in the CSS, fwiw :) |
| 11:51 |
jboyer-isl |
That the w3c didn't include it in the html named colors is a failing on their part, in my opinion. |
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bshum |
Eww, the mac client has a sporadic bug with xul rows where the line goes invisible hovering over them. |
| 12:01 |
csharp |
OMG we should totally do this: https://github.com/mroth/lolcommits |
| 12:02 |
Dyrcona |
No. |
| 12:02 |
csharp |
haha |
| 12:03 |
kmlussier |
csharp++ |
| 12:04 |
csharp |
of course the preferred verbosity of commit messages would pretty much cover the image ;-) |
| 12:06 |
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| 12:06 |
tsbere |
I am willing to go with that. Fair warning, though: I don't keep webcams on my machines and my commits all happen on a server over SSH, negating the ability to use a webcam if it is there. ;) |
| 12:07 |
* phasefx |
will use psychedelic images and hack your visual cortex |
| 12:08 |
* bshum |
now remembers why he hated his mac after awhile. |
| 12:08 |
rfrasur |
phasefx++ #best comment of the day |
| 12:10 |
dbs |
lolcommits could/should just use the 1-line summary, which is supposed to be brief :) |
| 12:12 |
csharp |
bshum: is it reproducible? I could track down a mac if you need confirmation |
| 12:13 |
csharp |
(of course if it's a xulrunner-level rendering issue, not much we would do) |
| 12:14 |
phasefx |
may be related to the skin being used for the apple look-and-feel |
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| 12:33 |
kmlussier |
berick: Is there any chance of resurrecting https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/856688? I don't know how much work it would take to bring it up to the current code, but it would be a shame to lose what was already done for it. |
| 12:33 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 856688 in Evergreen "Option to disallow use of an org unit as a pickup library for holds" (affected: 4, heat: 18) [Wishlist,Incomplete] |
| 12:33 |
mrpeters |
is there a comprehensive list of CC processors Evergreen works with out of the box/ |
| 12:33 |
mrpeters |
release notes for 2.0 just mention Authorize and PayPal |
| 12:35 |
berick |
mrpeters: those two, plus PayFlowPro (variant of paypal) |
| 12:35 |
mrpeters |
berick: awesome. thank you |
| 12:35 |
mrpeters |
customer thinsk PayFlow is the real processor they use, so thats excellent |
| 12:35 |
berick |
de nada |
| 12:38 |
mrpeters |
anyone played with the dedupe.sql that comes with the migration-tools? have any documentation? i'm kind of blindly running it, sans the actual merging, to see what kind of results I get in a massive database. Seeking any documentation that might be out there for it though! |
| 12:38 |
berick |
kmlussier: now that jspac is officially dead, i don't see why not. should be pretty easy to forward-port |
| 12:40 |
kmlussier |
berick++ |
| 12:42 |
csharp |
I'm trying to get our dvd/video/videogame circ limit sets to be applied when another circ rule is "winning" |
| 12:42 |
csharp |
our circ rules are mainly built around circ modifiers, but we have org-specific exceptions for fine level and when those "win", the circ limit sets aren't factored in |
| 12:43 |
Dyrcona |
Add maps for those circ matrix matchpoints. |
| 12:43 |
Dyrcona |
config.circ_matrix_limit_set_map |
| 12:43 |
csharp |
ok - that's what I was wondering |
| 12:43 |
csharp |
can I load those rules up with three limit sets each? or does that cause problems? |
| 12:44 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure I understand the question? |
| 12:44 |
Dyrcona |
If you want to lump multiple circ mods together, you make a group and add the limit_sets to the group. |
| 12:44 |
Dyrcona |
At least in 2.3+, I think. |
| 12:44 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe in 2.2, also. |
| 12:44 |
tsbere |
csharp: Did you enable "fallthrough" on the limit set to circ matrix maps? |
| 12:45 |
csharp |
I've only added one circ limit set per circ matchpoint - if I add multiple sets per matchpoint, would you expect problems? |
| 12:45 |
Dyrcona |
oh, that too. |
| 12:45 |
csharp |
I don't see "fallthrough". I do see "Global" |
| 12:46 |
tsbere |
csharp: circ_matrix_limit_set_map table |
| 12:46 |
csharp |
okay - lemme look |
| 12:46 |
* csharp |
was starting with the GUI |
| 12:46 |
tsbere |
In the GUI it is in the circ matrix editor |
| 12:46 |
tsbere |
Not the limit set editor |
| 12:46 |
tsbere |
As fallthrough is a factor in the link, not the limit set itself |
| 12:46 |
csharp |
ah - fallthrough is false |
| 12:47 |
tsbere |
With fallthrough false the limit set only applies if the matchpoint is the most specific one in the set. With fallthrough true it applies so long as the matchpoint does. |
| 12:47 |
csharp |
excellent |
| 12:47 |
csharp |
I'm pretty sure that will fix me up then |
| 12:47 |
* csharp |
tests |
| 12:53 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ # providing guidance on developer lingo in LP |
| 12:54 |
kmlussier |
yboston: What are your thoughts on setting bug 1000957 to Won't Fix in light of new bib/authority browse? |
| 12:54 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1000957 in Evergreen "TPAC is missing the authority browse feature" (affected: 8, heat: 38) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000957 |
| 12:56 |
csharp |
tsbere: hot damn that works |
| 12:57 |
csharp |
Dyrcona++ |
| 12:57 |
csharp |
tsbere++ |
| 13:00 |
bshum |
Hmm, library conference or Star Trek convention? Decisions, decisions.... |
| 13:00 |
kmlussier |
Star Trek. |
| 13:02 |
bradl |
Star Treck |
| 13:02 |
bradl |
I mean Trek :) |
| 13:02 |
bradl |
kmlussier++ |
| 13:03 |
kmlussier |
bradl, bshum: I'm surprised there is even a question there. |
| 13:04 |
bshum |
Yeah I suppose :) |
| 13:04 |
* csharp |
goes to the knockoff "Starr Treck" convention |
| 13:04 |
csharp |
bshum: you should mosey on down to dragon*con |
| 13:05 |
bshum |
csharp: Unfortunately I'll be in Dallas, TX for a family friend's wedding this weekend. |
| 13:05 |
bshum |
I'm getting my air miles done :) |
| 13:06 |
bshum |
Maybe next time |
| 13:06 |
bshum |
csharp: So for that xul weirdness in the mac, I think it happens every time there's a xul generated row. |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
Like looking at z39.50 import lines |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
Or item status |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
Or checkouts |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
Or pretty much anything |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
I've never seen it before. |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
So I'm wondering if it's some interaction with the stock install of Evergreen that's different than our actual production builds. |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
The thing I'm pondering is the fake # column |
| 13:07 |
bshum |
Since we don't enable that in our systems |
| 13:08 |
bshum |
But this stock system did have those. |
| 13:09 |
bshum |
Random observation. The default index page for the staff client points at the communications.php page on the website. |
| 13:10 |
bshum |
When we migrate the websites, we'll have to account for stuff like that too. |
| 13:11 |
bshum |
Another thing is any files pulled during installation that are sourced from open-ils.org hosting too. |
| 13:13 |
tsbere |
I think we have a file during packaging that is pulled from there, but I don't know about installation. |
| 13:15 |
bshum |
libdbi-0.8.3 is pulled from http://open-ils.org/~denials/evergreen |
| 13:15 |
bshum |
As part of the makefile.install |
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| 13:16 |
tsbere |
Huh. Didn't notice that one. |
| 13:16 |
* tsbere |
was thinking about dojo |
| 13:17 |
bshum |
I know, I didn't think of it either till I was watching a fresh install roll by and saw it. |
| 13:17 |
bshum |
I'm adding these things to lists of things to watch for while poking at our website conversions. |
| 13:17 |
bshum |
aka, things I hope not to break |
| 13:24 |
yboston |
kmlussier: yes, it is OK to set bug 1000957 to Won't Fix in light of new bib/authority browse |
| 13:24 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1000957 in Evergreen "TPAC is missing the authority browse feature" (affected: 8, heat: 38) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000957 |
| 13:24 |
kmlussier |
yboston: I figured if there was something the early authority browse did that the bib browse doesn't do, it could be submitted as a separate bug. |
| 13:24 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 13:27 |
* csharp |
thinks we should make modest moves towards actual deb/rpm repos for EG dependencies |
| 13:31 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: +1 |
| 13:53 |
* bshum |
wonders what constitutes "several minute period of inactivity" |
| 13:53 |
bshum |
bug 1218002 |
| 13:53 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1218002 in Evergreen "Postal code does not populate city/state after period of inactivity" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218002 |
| 13:54 |
* bshum |
tries again, waiting for 10 minutes |
| 14:05 |
jboyer-isl |
I suspect it's based on your staff login timeout period. My previous lib set it to 10+ hours because it was obnoxious. The default here is considerably less (and much more irritating) |
| 14:05 |
bshum |
Okay, 10+ minutes later and I can still punch in a zip code to a register patron screen and get stuff. |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
Yeah that's what I was suspecting too. |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
Ours is set to something like 8 hours. |
| 14:06 |
jboyer-isl |
Quite the wait, heh. :) |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
Indeed. |
| 14:06 |
bshum |
I'm going to comment on the bug to gather some more details and note this suspicion. |
| 14:07 |
* csharp |
suspects memory leak interference |
| 14:07 |
kmlussier |
I was thinking it was the login timeout period too. But, then, wouldn't they come across other problems if their login had timed out? |
| 14:07 |
kmlussier |
For example, would they even be able to save the patron record that they're adding? |
| 14:07 |
csharp |
kmlussier: they would not |
| 14:07 |
jboyer-isl |
Sounds like like a memory sieve-hat conspiracy theory to me, csharp. ;) |
| 14:08 |
* csharp |
retreats to his cabin in the woods |
| 14:09 |
jboyer-isl |
Depending on the interface the client will ask for a new session, throw up an error, or do nothing. I don't think the patron interface will ask for a new session, but I'm not sure which of the other two will happen. |
| 14:19 |
bshum |
Could be brick weirdness? Like what if they rotated bricks and the zip file wasn't installed or shared to all of them. |
| 14:19 |
* bshum |
shrugs, goes back to loading student records |
| 14:25 |
* rfrasur |
tries to track down water leak as reflected in utility bills. |
| 14:27 |
jeff_ |
rfrasur: running toilet in need of maintenance, or rogue after-hours carwash. |
| 14:28 |
rfrasur |
well....we had several leaks fixed last month...and maybe it was those. I just need to double check something with the utility. |
| 14:29 |
* rfrasur |
never envisioned facilities maintenance as a job description. |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
well...not for me at least |
| 14:34 |
mrpeters |
i might have a nice water bill this month.....been watering since 8:30 haha |
| 14:34 |
mrpeters |
TruGreen said to water all day today for the stuff they put down |
| 14:34 |
mrpeters |
sorry if i'm leeching your water rfrasur |
| 14:36 |
rjackson-isl |
part of our lawn was watered by a fire hydrant left on to relieve pressure on a broken water main yesterday :-( |
| 14:36 |
rfrasur |
lol, no...it wasn't that. <insert_relief> It was the plumbing stuff from last month and the town will let us appeal the 10x bill |
| 14:36 |
mrpeters |
nice rjackson-isl!!! |
| 14:36 |
rjackson-isl |
flooded from fron to back... |
| 14:36 |
mrpeters |
free watering! |
| 14:36 |
mrpeters |
we need it! |
| 14:36 |
rjackson-isl |
hope I don't pay for that usage!!! |
| 14:36 |
* rfrasur |
has well water at home and lives over an underground lake (no lie). |
| 14:36 |
mrpeters |
haha yeah, im sure you could argue that one! |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
we just pay to pump it out of the ground. |
| 14:37 |
mrpeters |
very cool |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
lol, and soften it...and remove rust |
| 14:37 |
rjackson-isl |
need that set up again - had it in KOkomo - well and city... |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
but other than that... |
| 14:37 |
mrpeters |
i want to buy an irrigation system |
| 14:38 |
rfrasur |
I hate paying for something that basically composes most of the world...but alas |
| 14:38 |
mrpeters |
eh, its fair to pay for it in my eyes...its a limited resource i guess |
| 14:38 |
mrpeters |
if only it were combustable for our cars....haah |
| 14:39 |
rfrasur |
well....it is POSSIBLE...but still a little cost prohibitive. Plus, then it'd get more expensive. |
| 14:39 |
mrpeters |
hey rjackson-isl: while you're here....will you ask adbowling-isl to ping me when he has a sec |
| 14:40 |
rjackson-isl |
sure |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
It'd be like Dune and Chain Reaction |
| 14:40 |
mrpeters |
thanks! |
| 14:40 |
mrpeters |
actually, even better if we could do a group chat in your channel |
| 14:42 |
rfrasur |
okay....crisis mode cancelled. Time to go parent. |
| 14:47 |
mrpeters |
is there a function to get the normalized isbn for a bre.marc? say, stripping out all extra characters, spaces, etc. |
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| 14:51 |
phasefx |
anyone using windows 8 with the staff client? Does it randomly crash? |
| 14:52 |
phasefx |
(the client or windows, but mostly the client:) |
| 14:52 |
mrpeters |
windows 8-- |
| 14:52 |
jboyer-isl |
phasefx: Worked fine for me since Win8 came out. |
| 14:52 |
mrpeters |
i tested it a little, phasefx, back in 2.2 days |
| 14:52 |
mrpeters |
i ran it in a VM for a while while it was in beta |
| 14:52 |
mrpeters |
dont recall any strange crashes |
| 14:52 |
mrpeters |
but that was before the new xulrunner stuff |
| 14:53 |
phasefx |
gracias |
| 14:53 |
jboyer-isl |
Ah, yeah. Even today I'm still running 2.2 and it's associated xulrunner on Win8. Haven't tried anything newer yet. |
| 15:00 |
mrpeters |
jboyer-isl: did they force yall onto win 8? |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
phasefx: I think there are a few libs using Win8 now and I haven't heard any reported issues with the client. Our master is roughly around where 2.4.1 left off. |
| 15:08 |
bshum |
Though we'll be upgrading again next weekend. |
| 15:10 |
phasefx |
bshum: roger that, thanks |
| 15:10 |
jboyer-isl |
No, no. I ran it for a while at JCPL, and picked up a new core i7 laptop to do some dev work at home. I think it's got a place, and that place is on tablets. Maybe 8.1 will improve the desktop experience a bit in October. |
| 15:13 |
jboyer-isl |
mrpeters: can you really imagine the state moving on something that fast? Win9 isn't even out yet! ;) |
| 15:13 |
mrpeters |
hahaha |
| 15:14 |
mrpeters |
we got win7 pretty fast actually |
| 15:14 |
jboyer-isl |
That gives me hope. I don't like using ancient releases (the businesses still running xp baffle me). |
| 15:15 |
bshum |
Well, the mac line rendering glitch happens even without the # rows |
| 15:15 |
bshum |
Too bad, that would have been easy :( |
| 15:15 |
bshum |
Must be some other weird xul 14 + mac issue |
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| 16:01 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Am I remembering correctly that you have a SQL query to delete copies that are in a specific copy bucket? |
| 16:01 |
bshum |
Sounds like an easy one. |
| 16:02 |
jeff |
famous last words... ;-) |
| 16:02 |
* bshum |
likes deleting things. |
| 16:02 |
bshum |
It's bringing them back that I find annoying. |
| 16:03 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: If it isn't in here http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=jason/evergreen_utilities.git;a=summary then it is in my private collection. |
| 16:04 |
Dyrcona |
I'm too busy ATM to dig through my private collection. |
| 16:04 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona++ It's there. Thanks! |
| 16:04 |
Dyrcona |
It is in there, and it's Perl. |
| 16:08 |
bshum |
@wunder 76015 |
| 16:08 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The current temperature in Turf Club Estates, Arlington, Texas is 93.7°F (3:08 PM CDT on August 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:11 |
gsams |
not too bad today down in Texas |
| 16:11 |
gsams |
I feel sorry for our AC repairman on the roof at the moment |
| 16:12 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: When you use this script, if it's the last copy belonging to a volume, will it delete the volume and, if it's the last volume belonging to the bib, will it delete the bib? I know there normally are OU settings to control this, but I didn't know if they came into play if you're deleting outside the staff client. |
| 16:12 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: If you're too busy to answer now, I can take my answer tomorrow. :) |
| 16:12 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: The settings do come into play with that script. It uses the standard backend calls that the client would make. |
| 16:13 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Awesome! Thanks! |
| 16:14 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: It may bypass the setting and do the delete anyway. I seem to recall setting the flag to do that without checking the settings. |
| 16:14 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: I think that's fine too. They just want to make sure the bib is deleted if all the copies are deleted. |
| 16:16 |
bshum |
gsams: Yeah I'll be sure to pack lighter and maybe bring a fan or something :) |
| 16:19 |
gsams |
bshum: visiting on business again? It's actually been pretty cool by comparison to most summers. We've had a lot more rain and cloud cover this year. |
| 16:20 |
bshum |
Just "vacation" |
| 16:22 |
senator |
bshum: i can't remember whether bbq tickles your fancy or not, but if you try pecan lodge bbq at the dallas farmers' market, please report back :-) |
| 16:22 |
bshum |
senator: I have a feeling my folks will drag me to some chinese restaurant or something. |
| 16:22 |
bshum |
But if I can persuade them otherwise, I'll add it to the list :) |
| 16:23 |
senator |
well fair warning then since your family's involved: it's lunch-time only with a long wait |
| 16:23 |
Dyrcona |
@hate vacation |
| 16:23 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. Dyrcona hates vacation. |
| 16:23 |
gsams |
tha's right around the corner from our Colo center |
| 16:24 |
gsams |
wish I could spare the time to take a visit myself but long wait times will probably keep me away |
| 16:25 |
senator |
gsams: got any other favorite places then? i visit dfw every 'casionally |
| 16:27 |
gsams |
I'm based in the city of Roanoke, halfway between Fort Worth and Denton roughly |
| 16:28 |
bshum |
"the unique dining capital of texas" |
| 16:28 |
gsams |
Most of what we have in Roanoke is actually pretty solid and varies greatly |
| 16:28 |
bshum |
It says so on their logo and everything! :D |
| 16:29 |
gsams |
yeah, my current favorite is Tacos and Avacados |
| 16:29 |
gsams |
I don't care for avacados, but the other half is that good |
| 16:30 |
Dyrcona |
Send lawyers, guns and tacos! |
| 16:30 |
senator |
i'll remember that. i'm usually east of there, but i do like tacos and avocados |
| 16:31 |
gsams |
We also have a Hard-8 barbecue that I've heard is really good, I haven't had a chance to eat there yet myself |
| 16:32 |
gsams |
Our library regularly has brochures for the restaurants here but I haven't seen one in a while. They might be revamping them. |
| 16:33 |
gsams |
I'd go on, but I'm afraid I'll just make myself crave something I can't have today |
| 16:33 |
senator |
yeah i'm getting prematurely hungry myself :-) |
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| 16:50 |
kmlussier |
We were talking today about deleting MARC records, specifically electronic resources, in batch. We started by looking at whether Record Buckets could handle it. However, we noticed when we did a record query through a bucket, it only retrieves 100 records. Is there any way to retrieve results beyond that 100 records? |
| 16:51 |
kmlussier |
I know SQL is probably the better route to take, but I wanted to explore all of our options. |
| 16:51 |
phasefx |
there's a line in the javascript that applies the cap |
| 16:52 |
phasefx |
IIRC |
| 16:52 |
phasefx |
record_buckets.js, line 888: [ { 'limit' : 100 }, x.value, 1 ] |
| 16:53 |
phasefx |
could remove that limit altogether, just use [ {}, x.value, 1 ] |
| 16:53 |
phasefx |
don't know how the client would handle very large result sets. That interface was an experiment I slipped in before we started using topic branches |
| 16:54 |
kmlussier |
phasefx: Yeah, that's what I was wondering. In some cases, a library might have thousands of records associated with a subscription. |
| 16:54 |
* phasefx |
thinks batch deletion of records through record buckets would eventually hit a practical limit |
| 16:54 |
kmlussier |
If they cancel a subscription, that would be a lot of records to delete. |
| 16:55 |
phasefx |
a practical limit that might not be very practical, that is |
| 16:56 |
kmlussier |
So I'm guessing most sites that want to delete a few thousands (or more) electronic resources use SQL. |
| 16:57 |
kmlussier |
Does anyone have a query we could use as a starting point? |
| 16:57 |
phasefx |
what's the easiest way to select the records? a report? manual collection into buckets? |
| 16:59 |
kmlussier |
phasefx: Possibly a report, but I think it would be easy enough for them to do a Select query to get a list of record ID's. Manual collection into buckets might be difficult. |
| 17:00 |
phasefx |
oh, pooh, the bucket thing seemed easy: DELETE FROM biblio.record_entry WHERE id IN (SELECT target_biblio_record_entry FROM container.biblio_record_entry_bucket_item WHERE bucket = # ); |
| 17:00 |
phasefx |
assuming no call numbers and copies on the bibs |
| 17:01 |
tsbere |
As a general note, MVLC decided to load electronic resource records under different bib sources. So we can wipe them out by bib source. ;) |
| 17:01 |
bshum |
Likewise for us |
| 17:02 |
bshum |
I know Mary set up new bib sources for things like Overdrive, etc. |
| 17:02 |
kmlussier |
phasefx: I can always check. If we remove that constraint limiting the number of records we can retrieve, it might be possible. |
| 17:02 |
bshum |
To make them easier to target with SQL |
| 17:02 |
kmlussier |
tsbere, bshum: Yes, we were just discussing that option today. But they don't have the separate records source for their electronic records ATM. |
| 17:05 |
phasefx |
kmlussier: so in the query case, just DELETE FROM biblio.record_entry WHERE id in ( sub-select here ); I doubt that would handle $9-powered 856 tags though, since those create call numbers behind the scenes |
| 17:06 |
bshum |
Should be easy enough to target those later for deletion though. |
| 17:06 |
phasefx |
for a report, you can have the report output bib id's as a text file, and load the file into a staging or temporary table, and query that table for your sub-select |
| 17:07 |
phasefx |
CREATE TABLE foo ( id BIGINT ); \COPY foo FROM 'file.txt' |
| 17:08 |
phasefx |
of course, IMO, long term, we want server-side batch actions for buckets, and easy population of buckets from reports :) |
| 17:11 |
kmlussier |
phasefx++ # We do too. |
| 17:12 |
kmlussier |
phasefx++ tsbere++ bshum++ Thanks for the help! |
| 17:13 |
gsams |
phasefx: that would be amazing! |
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