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paxed |
@roulette |
| 04:21 |
pinesol_green |
paxed: *click* |
| 04:43 |
bshum |
csharp: That sort of thing used to happen with old QP (2.3 or older) where multiple field use in advanced search filters sometimes confused things to breakage. |
| 04:44 |
bshum |
csharp: Or so I vaguely remember. I think it happens less so since our upgrade into the 2.4 era but I'll try looking into that for you once I get back to the office. |
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paxed |
bshum: you're a bit early? :) |
| 04:57 |
bshum |
paxed: Oh, I'm like a few seconds away from falling back to sleep again. |
| 04:58 |
paxed |
oh, sleep-ircing. |
| 04:58 |
bshum |
Something like that. :) |
| 04:58 |
* bshum |
wanders off for a bit longer... |
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dbs |
@later tell jboyer-isl px are generally what you want, because they are _not_ physical pixels, but adjust relative to the density of the display |
| 07:43 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:47 |
paxed |
dbs: re. bug 1195334, i'm wondering if me attaching pictures of before/after help ... |
| 07:47 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1195334 in Evergreen "Some data URIs don't define character set" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195334 |
| 07:47 |
dbs |
paxed: a major part of the value of review & sign-off is reproducing the before / after behaviour in a separate environment, as well as ensuring nothing else breaks unexpectedly as a result. so, not really :/ |
| 07:48 |
* dbs |
is enjoying Canada Day, apparently |
| 07:51 |
paxed |
dbs: disheartening. |
| 07:53 |
dbs |
paxed: it's a time vs. quality thing. We keep on seeing what happens when we push commits that "look good" without actually testing them. |
| 07:53 |
dbs |
Or testing them in a very limited way. And testing in production, really, really sucks for the community. |
| 07:54 |
csharp |
bshum: thanks! |
| 07:57 |
csharp |
dbs: happy Canada Day! |
| 07:58 |
csharp |
not a holiday I take it? ;-) |
| 07:58 |
paxed |
dbs: so what can i do to help? |
| 07:58 |
dbs |
csharp: holiday. kids are watching cartoons, I'm not able to sleep in (at family's place in downtown TO) |
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dbs |
paxed: you're doing all the right things. In my opinion, the almost purely manual QA review / signoff process that we have (such as it is) is unsustainable |
| 08:01 |
csharp |
dbs: ah - I see ;-) |
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jcamins |
dbs: have you looked at things like gerritt? |
| 08:06 |
dbs |
jcamins: it's more about testing & reproducing UI behaviour (selenium etc) than code review tools |
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jcamins |
dbs: ah. We have both problems with Koha. |
| 08:10 |
dbs |
for example, paxed has a patch that affects 8 or so different dialogues in the staff client. testing that means setting up a clean testing environment, reproducing the problem conditions (possibily requiring setup of special data to provoke the problem), setting up the test env + patch, reproducing the corrected scenarios... and all of that gives us no guarantee that other scenarios haven't been negatively affected by the patch |
| 08:10 |
dbs |
jcamins: I'm not saying gerritt or the like wouldn't be helpful, just a different problem :) |
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rfrasur |
A responsive page for Google Drive would be nice - can I add a bug report for that, too? |
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rfrasur |
Is there a character limit in the alert message field in the patron editor? |
| 10:28 |
rfrasur |
n/m - I figured out my problem (well...regarding the patron editor) |
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rfrasur |
jboyer-isl++ |
| 11:30 |
rfrasur |
rjackson-isl++ |
| 11:31 |
paxed |
any idea why i'd get "Error: not well-formed" complaints about auth.properties (and other message catalog files)? all complaints on the first line of the file, where the '=' sign is. |
| 11:37 |
rfrasur |
paxed:it's slow this morning - and you know that I couldn't even buy an idea about that to give you. |
| 11:43 |
paxed |
rfrasur: yes, i can see it's slow. :/ |
| 11:43 |
rfrasur |
wish I could help :( - I wonder if this might be the week of the vacation as well. |
| 11:46 |
paxed |
and some people are at the ALA conference, i'd guess |
| 11:46 |
rfrasur |
true true |
| 11:47 |
rfrasur |
klussier is. Not sure beyond her. |
| 11:48 |
jboyer-isl |
Do you mean the errors in the XULRunner console? Those have always driven me nuts, though they don't appear to acutally cause problems. It's possible that it would be happier if they were quoted, I suppose. |
| 11:49 |
paxed |
jboyer-isl: yup, that's my understanding of those errors too, just wanted third-party confirmation about it :) |
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paxed |
oh, and like dbs said, it's also Canuckistan Day. |
| 11:55 |
* rfrasur |
chuckles |
| 11:55 |
rfrasur |
(if Evergreen is down...can I take the rest of the day off?) |
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bshum |
rfrasur: When you find out, let me know. We're down too, while we poke at network oddities. :( |
| 12:05 |
paxed |
generalize it to "if $LARGE_SOFTWARE_YOU_NEED_TO_DO_YOUR_JOB is down ..." and you know the answer :P |
| 12:07 |
* rfrasur |
does know the answer |
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rfrasur |
my staff also lost an expensive box of book bags |
| 12:07 |
* rfrasur |
has a good staff.....that sometimes loses stuff |
| 12:08 |
rfrasur |
bshum: I think our only recourse today is chocolate |
| 12:09 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Mmm, chocolate :) |
| 12:09 |
rfrasur |
(unless we've actually gone through 600 bags in less than 2 mths) |
| 12:09 |
rfrasur |
bshum: indeed |
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| 12:11 |
paxed |
book bags? |
| 12:12 |
paxed |
you use bags to transport books? or what? |
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| 12:27 |
rfrasur |
paxed: We give our patrons bags if they check out a bunch of stuff. Just to be nice. |
| 12:27 |
paxed |
oh. huh |
| 12:28 |
* rfrasur |
would rather recycle walmart sacks but...they ARE ugly and our patrons love the nicer bags...and do reuse them...so... |
| 12:28 |
rfrasur |
meh |
| 12:28 |
* rfrasur |
is exceptionally cheap about some things so okay with being persuaded at times to be less stingy |
| 12:31 |
rfrasur |
well, I guess while we're waiting on EG, I can do other stuff. |
| 12:31 |
* rfrasur |
puts inventory on hold. |
| 12:49 |
* paxed |
kicks mozilla's datepicker xul widget in the dangly bits. |
| 12:50 |
* rfrasur |
grinds the pieces into dust under her heel. |
| 12:51 |
paxed |
stupid POS crap always shows Sunday as the start of the week. |
| 12:51 |
rfrasur |
err....apparently EVERY important computer system refuses to work with me today |
| 12:53 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Sounds about right to me. |
| 12:53 |
rfrasur |
bshum: chocolate might not be enough |
| 12:55 |
* rfrasur |
ponders next sane course of action. |
| 12:56 |
paxed |
meh. no action here today for me, so i'll log off work. not to mention that datepicker crap is starting to annoy me ... |
| 12:56 |
rfrasur |
yeah...no. this is freakin' insane. Is it because it's the first day of the fiscal year somewhere? |
| 12:57 |
Dyrcona |
paxed: We've had that discussion about Sunday before..... |
| 12:58 |
paxed |
Dyrcona: yes. it just seems none of the workarounds suggested eg. on moz's bugzilla work. |
| 12:59 |
paxed |
don't know if the xul datepicker code is changed, or what. |
| 13:00 |
Dyrcona |
It should be an option: "conforms to ISO standard whatever," "bat-shit insane thing based on Roman tradition." |
| 13:01 |
* rfrasur |
laughs and cries at the same time while mumbling something about mothers and all that |
| 13:02 |
rfrasur |
(maybe reorganizing the basement is a good idea) |
| 13:08 |
* bshum |
watches the rain outside and listens to the distant voices of people working on our broken network. |
| 13:10 |
rfrasur |
it wants to rain here...but that's not working either, so it's just grey (gray) |
| 13:10 |
bshum |
@eightball WIll the rain stop today? |
| 13:10 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: No chance. |
| 13:10 |
rfrasur |
harsh |
| 13:11 |
rfrasur |
@blame July 1 |
| 13:11 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: Your failure is now complete, July 1. |
| 13:12 |
bshum |
Agreed. |
| 13:12 |
csharp |
fy_switchover-- |
| 13:12 |
csharp |
too_much_datawork_for_one_night-- |
| 13:16 |
rfrasur |
bshum: is your issue the servers moving? |
| 13:16 |
bshum |
rfrasur: We moved them yesterday to the new rack space and they seemed fine. Today we were getting all sorts of dropped network packets. |
| 13:17 |
bshum |
I was concerned so I decided to make an executive decision to halt Evergreen till the network folks have a crack at figuring out the issues. |
| 13:17 |
rfrasur |
meh - poor network people. Good decision on your part |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
Figured safer than sorry if there was some fluke that caused unexpected behavior with the system. |
| 13:21 |
bshum |
Though I like to believe we're safe from that. |
| 13:22 |
rfrasur |
safe from unexpected behavior? |
| 13:22 |
bshum |
Well, I worry about things like incomplete actions taken with Evergreen, but they should just error out if they take too long to complete or never complete properly. I think. |
| 13:23 |
bshum |
I think it would just be worse if a call was made to check something in and because of network issues, it didn't actually do so. And then the library calls us later going, but why didn't it check in?!?! |
| 13:23 |
bshum |
Or something. |
| 13:23 |
* bshum |
imagines they'd get more network errors though. |
| 13:23 |
bshum |
Eh, playing it safe. |
| 13:23 |
rfrasur |
you made the right decision especially if you didn't want a bunch of panicking librarians breathing down your neck. |
| 13:27 |
mrpeters |
is there a way to emulate an opac search with srfsh? |
| 13:29 |
bshum |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2013-06-17#i_4461 |
| 13:29 |
bshum |
For mrpeters --^ |
| 13:29 |
bshum |
I haven't tried it, but jeffdavis asked last month |
| 13:30 |
mrpeters |
oh nice |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
mrpeters: Yeah the new IRC logger webpage has a search in it. |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/search.pl?channel=evergreen for example |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
And then you can put different text in there. |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
I'm still working on porting all our old logs |
| 13:31 |
mrpeters |
http://pastie.org/8100590 cant be good :( |
| 13:31 |
bshum |
But it has stuff since we put in the new bot in early June |
| 13:33 |
bshum |
Hmm, nope that doesn't look good. |
| 13:33 |
mrpeters |
can run that query directly on the db just fine |
| 13:34 |
mrpeters |
the select from aou |
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| 13:36 |
bshum |
Maybe it's just something in the syntax |
| 13:37 |
bshum |
I'd look at it with you but my servers are still sleeping. |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
I love that "Request completed successfully" after a giant "No it didn't." |
| 13:39 |
Dyrcona |
"no connection to the server" makes me wonder, is everything configured properly on the computer where you're running srfsh? |
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mrpeters |
from what i hear, the database went into some kind of "recovery mode"....im kind of distanced from the whole thing, but this was a general question i could ask |
| 13:43 |
rfrasur |
adbowling-isl: good to see you. Hope you are well.... |
| 13:46 |
eeevil |
mrpeters: if that's what you hear, you can stop any evergreen-level work until that's resolved |
| 13:47 |
mrpeters |
yeah, from what i know all activity has ceased |
| 13:47 |
mrpeters |
i dont think the database is still in recovery mode though |
| 13:47 |
rfrasur |
that sounds a lot like death or coma |
| 13:48 |
mrpeters |
no more errors in the logs about it being in recovery mode |
| 13:48 |
adbowling-isl |
db is not in recovery mode anymore, as far as i can tell |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
recovery mode is what usually happens after the coma. |
| 13:48 |
Dyrcona |
mrpeters: Are the OpenSRF services all running? |
| 13:49 |
Dyrcona |
Those will need a restart at least. |
| 13:49 |
mrpeters |
yeah |
| 13:50 |
mrpeters |
http://pastie.org/8100643 |
| 13:50 |
adbowling-isl |
all services restarted. db server was rebooted. |
| 13:50 |
mrpeters |
does that look more sane? though it takes 70+ seconds to return |
| 13:50 |
mrpeters |
im kind of being fed info 3rd party here |
| 13:50 |
mrpeters |
i cant work on the actual servers having the issue right now |
| 13:50 |
rfrasur |
adbowling-isl++ |
| 13:51 |
Dyrcona |
mrpeters: That looks like a non-error response. |
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rfrasur |
For those of you who can look at a staff client right now, is there an file upload button on the check-in screen? |
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csharp |
rfrasur: not in 2.3 |
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rfrasur |
okay. we're still on 2.2, so I'm going to assume not there either. It's kinda incidental since the item status screen can be used but figured I'd try to hand out completeish info. |
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dbwells |
berick (or anyone else using acquisitions): Is there an interface for the fiscal calendar / fiscal year setup? |
| 14:19 |
senator |
dbwells: there is not |
| 14:19 |
dbwells |
senator: thanks |
| 14:25 |
* rfrasur |
sings quietly so that the mean July 1st gods don't hear and decide to ruin it, "woohoo...getting stuff done...woohoo...not in Evergreen, but that's okay...for now" |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
It's not a very famous song. |
| 14:32 |
csharp |
I shared this error in the channel yesterday and I'm trying to troubleshoot it http://pastebin.com/ByE2GNYU |
| 14:32 |
csharp |
it's coming once every few seconds, so it doesn't look like a random patron search |
| 14:33 |
csharp |
I've tried recreating it by doing stupid stuff in the advanced search to no avail - anybody seen something like this? |
| 14:34 |
paxed |
so all the ; are encoded |
| 14:34 |
csharp |
yeah |
| 14:35 |
csharp |
we haven't gotten any complaints about it (yet) either - it's just in the logs |
| 14:36 |
paxed |
dbwells: hope you don't mind i targeted several bugs i had fixes for at 2.5.0-m2 - seeing how today's the last day for that :P |
| 14:37 |
dbwells |
paxed: no problem, that's expected! |
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csharp |
@wunder 30345 |
| 14:54 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The current temperature in Lakeside, Atlanta, Georgia is 79.2°F (2:45 PM EDT on July 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
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rfrasur |
@librarian |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: Management:10, Cataloging:17, Acquisitions:12, Reference:16, Circulation:11, Systems:10, Research:15, Custodial:18 |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
oooooo, reference has increased. Unfortunately, so has custodial |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
@ninja |
| 14:57 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
:p |
| 14:59 |
rfrasur |
@dice |
| 14:59 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice. |
| 15:00 |
rfrasur |
@dice 2d6 |
| 15:00 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: 6 and 5 |
| 15:03 |
rfrasur |
Man, even Google isn't giving any love today |
| 15:07 |
bshum |
"Sulu, look, the sun has come out... it's a miracle!" |
| 15:16 |
phasefx |
rfrasur: search youtube for schmoyoho and Epic Rap Battles of History. Might cheer you up :) |
| 15:16 |
rfrasur |
bshum++ |
| 15:16 |
phasefx |
might not be safe for work, though :) the language |
| 15:16 |
rfrasur |
phasefx: I'm cheered up, but I'll search it anyway. I'm the boss and can close my door :D (who says an MLS isn't worth something?) |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
rfrasur: Generally horrible film, but I enjoyed certain comedic moments in Star Trek V. |
| 15:17 |
phasefx |
ERB, that is. schmoyoho is generally safe |
| 15:17 |
bshum |
And literally the sun came out from behind the clouds the moment I got back to my desk after firing back up our Evergreen systems. |
| 15:17 |
rfrasur |
lol...see? Evergreen IS part of the fabric of the universe |
| 15:18 |
* bshum |
crosses fingers and hopes for better network happiness. |
| 15:18 |
rfrasur |
Take THAT Sirsi! |
| 15:19 |
* phasefx |
needs to see an Evergreen vs. ____ epic rap battle |
| 15:19 |
rfrasur |
and ex libris and polaris and III and all those other lil upstarts...and Follett (does anyone still use that outside of an elementary school?) |
| 15:20 |
rfrasur |
phasefx: that's be so awesome, I can't even describe how awesome it'd be (or steel cage death match?) |
| 15:21 |
phasefx |
we got your pre-cats, got your pre-cats |
| 15:21 |
* rfrasur |
laughs |
| 15:23 |
paxed |
oh hey, -m2 deadline extended until tomorrow... i'll have to look what else i've got in the pipeline. |
| 15:25 |
rfrasur |
hmm, it seems my staff may be less than pleased w/ my literal interpretation of the lib policies and by-law - no taking Dec. 26 off. |
| 15:28 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: that doesn't sound like a very nice policy. And that's from someone who works on December 25. (December 25 = Christmas, yes?) |
| 15:28 |
rfrasur |
well, they can take it off...it's just not a paid holiday |
| 15:28 |
jcamins |
Oh. |
| 15:29 |
jcamins |
That sound completely normal to me. |
| 15:29 |
jcamins |
*sounds |
| 15:29 |
rfrasur |
We close for Dec. 24 and 25 |
| 15:29 |
jcamins |
You get two days of paid holiday? |
| 15:29 |
rfrasur |
and it's a paid holiday. |
| 15:29 |
rfrasur |
yep |
| 15:29 |
jcamins |
Gosh, there are perqs to working for the government, aren't there? ;) |
| 15:29 |
rfrasur |
and also New Years Eve and Day (though I think we should be open part of New Years Eve) |
| 15:29 |
rfrasur |
there are some, yes. |
| 15:30 |
rfrasur |
but we don't get bonus checks...or regular raises. |
| 15:30 |
rfrasur |
or, in our case, health insurance |
| 15:30 |
rfrasur |
lol |
| 15:30 |
rfrasur |
so, it seems to balance a little away from our favor |
| 15:30 |
jcamins |
As a state employee, my wife got amazing health insurance. No raises, but neither did anyone else I know. |
| 15:33 |
rfrasur |
yeah, it's different at the state level. We could potentially get in on the county health insurance, but it'd be prohibitively expensive and since I'm the only one that'd be eligible (only full-time staff), the board has chosen to forego it. It's okay since we have it through my husband's work, but it's also pretty asinine in principle. |
| 15:34 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: city/town employees aren't a subset of state employees? |
| 15:34 |
rfrasur |
nope |
| 15:34 |
* jcamins |
thought they were. |
| 15:35 |
rfrasur |
nope...and we're not a subset of city/town/county employees either. |
| 15:36 |
rfrasur |
our libs are considered corporate municipalities...so, we're our own little kingdoms with accountability to other little kingdoms. |
| 15:36 |
rfrasur |
kinda |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
laque: I want to let you and everyone else know that I've not forgotten about you. You might want to share the url for your branch here so others can have a look at it, too. |
| 15:47 |
rfrasur |
lague is our GSoCer, right? |
| 15:48 |
Dyrcona |
yes |
| 15:55 |
laque |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/dmitriye/dashboard if someone wanna look |
| 15:56 |
rfrasur |
laque: are you Dmitry? |
| 15:56 |
laque |
yes |
| 15:56 |
rfrasur |
okay :) |
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jeffdavis |
all those July 1 problems in backscroll are making me nervous :( |
| 15:57 |
jeffdavis |
we upgraded this weekend, system is still "down for maintenance" but is working ok so far, hopefully the July 1 gods won't look in our direction |
| 15:57 |
rfrasur |
jeffdavis: it's nearing the end of the workday...don't worry. It's all good now...ish |
| 15:57 |
Dyrcona |
We did some network changes last week and our git mirrors are not quite up to date yet. |
| 15:58 |
jeffdavis |
rfrasur: well that's good at least |
| 15:58 |
jeffdavis |
:) |
| 15:58 |
rfrasur |
we're still down completely in IN - but everyone seems to be being fairly pleasant about it. |
| 15:58 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: It makes you feel better: This is the first of our fiscal year and it marks my 10th anniversary with MVLC. |
| 15:58 |
Dyrcona |
We're up and having no problems. Quiet day for the most part. |
| 15:59 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:59 |
jeffdavis |
\o/ |
| 15:59 |
bshum |
Shh, don't anger the chaos monkeys |
| 15:59 |
* Dyrcona |
is one of the chaos monkeys.... |
| 15:59 |
* Dyrcona |
swings the Hammer of Disintegration. |
| 15:59 |
rfrasur |
btw, I did go listen to stuff on jamendo. Brad Sucks was prolly one of the best ones there...other than some of the instrumental |
| 16:00 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur: I like Huxley Met Soda, they're French and Finnish, IIRC. |
| 16:00 |
* jeffdavis |
makes propitiatory sacrifices to the appropriate entities |
| 16:00 |
Dyrcona |
Anyway, I never promised good music, just independent artists. |
| 16:01 |
rfrasur |
There were a couple I was interested in, but I just hit it pretty lightly |
| 16:01 |
rfrasur |
oh, I know. I don't mind sorting |
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rfrasur |
I'm very uneasy leaving the library w/o the EG servers working. |
| 16:09 |
* rfrasur |
wants to go home. |
| 16:14 |
jboyer-isl |
rfrasur: check your email. |
| 16:15 |
rfrasur |
jboyer-isl: I just saw it! |
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* rfrasur |
would kiss someone but I think there's a law against it. |
| 16:16 |
rfrasur |
(of course, now we're all going to try logging in at the same time) |
| 16:16 |
rfrasur |
y'all are the best of the best. |
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* rfrasur |
is very, VERY happy. |
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rjs7 |
laque, thanks for posting your code! I just noticed a typo. getCurrenLoad probably is missing a 't' and should be getCurrentLoad. |
| 16:31 |
laque |
thanks, I'll correct it |
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konr_revmob |
Can I test whether, say, the infinite scroll functionality works in my website using evergreen, or its not the appropriate tool? |
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bshum |
konr_revmob: This channel's topic is discussions of the Evergreen library system (http://evergreen-ils.org). I'm not sure I understand what you're looking for, maybe you're looking at some other evergreen? |
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