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00:03 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kyle Tomita] Patron Blocking by lost items and include lost as items out - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d4918fa> |
00:03 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Ben Shum] Stamping upgrade script for lost items blocking - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c13dc8a> |
00:03 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Ben Shum] Move lost items modification release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e103aad> |
00:03 |
bshum |
paxed: Morning! |
00:04 |
bshum |
I've been meaning to ask you. What's the best city to set for you as part of my world clock o' Evergreeners that I have going on my clock widget. |
00:04 |
bshum |
I picked Helsinki but was curious which was best :P |
00:08 |
paxed |
bshum: finland is within one timezone |
00:08 |
bshum |
Nice and simple :) |
00:09 |
paxed |
yup |
00:11 |
* paxed |
heads out to the library for work. |
00:21 |
bshum |
Calling 0795 |
00:44 |
bshum |
Releasing 0795 back to the wild. bug 1079041 isn't fully ready |
00:44 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1079041 in Evergreen ""state" field in patron registration is always required" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079041 |
00:46 |
bshum |
@eightball Sleepy time? |
00:46 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The answer is certainly yes. |
00:46 |
* bshum |
does as the eightball commands. |
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paxed |
@roulette |
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pinesol_green |
paxed: *click* |
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dbs |
bshum: don't sigh about acquisitions testing, please... we're going to try seriously adopting acq after we upgrade to 2.4, and I'm sure all the basic stuff works flawlessly. _flawlessly_. |
09:02 |
* dbs |
still needs to test that basic stuff, is crossing fingers. |
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kmlussier |
dbs: acq has come a long way in the past year. I hope your testing goes well! |
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rjackson-isl |
Question regarding Download Offline Patron List - how to make this work? When run currently an empty file is generated (2.2) |
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Dyrcona |
rjackson-isl: I dunno, but do you get a message returning a "404 not found" error? |
09:37 |
rjackson-isl |
From the staff client it creates a popup indicating Download completed |
09:37 |
rjackson-isl |
or should I be looking in logs? |
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Dyrcona |
rjackson-isl: Does the workstation ou have any patrons? It might only download patrons for the workstation ou. |
09:39 |
rjackson-isl |
I tried with an ou home setting that has patrons as a local admin profile |
09:40 |
rjackson-isl |
popup is immediate - like nothing is really being executed |
09:40 |
Dyrcona |
rjackson-isl: Well, I don't know much about that feature, but it appears to be broken to me in master. I get a 404 on my dev machine, and in production I get what you report. |
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rjackson-isl |
ok - thanks and if anyone lese has a hint (or two) I would appreciate the advice |
09:41 |
Dyrcona |
The 404 is likely 'cause I missed something that needs to be configured. |
09:42 |
rjackson-isl |
we have a book mobile in offline mode due to poor connectivity and wondered if this would help... |
09:42 |
jeff_ |
the offline patron list downloads a list of barred/lost/expired/penalized patron barcodes, and it depends on offline-blocked-list.pl being run (usually via cron) to generate the list. |
09:43 |
rjackson-isl |
ok - I will see if I can get that going in test jeff_ ++ |
09:43 |
bshum |
Yeah, for some reason Indiana's list.txt is empty. |
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Dyrcona |
jeff_++ # I should have known that. |
09:47 |
dbs |
kmlussier: thanks for the reassurance :) |
09:48 |
kmlussier |
dbs: What tools did you use when testing accessibility in tpac? |
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kmlussier |
dbs: nm, I found it. |
09:54 |
bshum |
dbs: I only sigh about testing new acq "features". It's hard to test expected behavior sometimes :( |
09:54 |
bshum |
But I agree with kmlussier that acq has come a very long way from when we first started using them back in 2.0 days. |
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10:15 |
kmlussier |
Should https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1155278 be backported since it is an accessibility issue? Looks like it was only committed to 2.4. |
10:15 |
pinesol_green` |
Launchpad bug 1155278 in Evergreen "TPAC: Accessibility audit compliance" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Undecided,Fix released] |
10:18 |
bshum |
kmlussier: Well, just a cursory glance, I can see potential conflicts in picking the fix back to 2.3 alone. And then we'd have to go find all the bug fix commits that went towards repairing things (I vaguely recall holds being broken by the labels for a bit?) |
10:19 |
jeff_ |
i don't know that we have a specific rule of thumb for accessability backports. if the patch applies cleanly, then it could be as simple as the release maintainers for pre-2.4 accepting the pull request. if it's not a clean backport without additional work, someone will need to put in that work to make the backport more likely. |
10:19 |
jeff_ |
(might check with the release maintainer(s) before starting that work, though) |
10:20 |
* bshum |
agrees with jeff_ |
10:22 |
kmlussier |
ok, thanks. I've heard a report that Jaws isn't working on a 2.3 catalog, and I haven't pinned down yet if it's related to this bug or not. If it is, we may need to do some work on getting part of the fix work for 2.3 anyway. |
10:23 |
* kmlussier |
suspects it might be related to autosuggest after reading the bug report. |
10:23 |
* bshum |
went to google jaws and found sharks first :P |
10:26 |
paxed |
anyone able to give me a hand with creating search filters. this is what i've got: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10 |
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10:31 |
bshum |
Uh oh |
10:32 |
phasefx |
there's only one _bott_1 that we really care about |
10:33 |
phasefx |
pinesol_green`: sorry dude |
10:33 |
pinesol_green` |
phasefx: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=6&url=evergreen-ils.org |
10:33 |
* _bott_1 |
wonders why I'm _bott_1 today |
10:33 |
bshum |
I wonder if the webserver is having unhappiness again. |
10:33 |
bshum |
Or maybe it's freenode, I know there's been some network issues. |
10:34 |
Dyrcona |
bshum: It must have a pain in all the diodes on its left side. |
10:36 |
StephenGWills |
is there a setting or someones project that allows us to select multiple items from a search result set and save all the selected to a book bag? |
10:36 |
jeff_ |
StephenGWills: none that i am aware of. |
10:37 |
paxed |
bshum: re. bug 1098189, i think i messed up with updating the branch to master ... |
10:37 |
pinesol_green` |
Launchpad bug 1098189 in Evergreen "Clean up translatable strings in templates" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1098189 |
10:37 |
bshum |
StephenGWills: I don't think there's any LP wishlist like that yet either. |
10:38 |
Dyrcona |
Was that a feature in JSPAC, or is it something I had in my previous ILS? |
10:38 |
* Dyrcona |
swears he was able to do that once. |
10:38 |
bshum |
I think it used to be part of the dropdown in JSPAC |
10:38 |
bshum |
Like actions for selected items or something. |
10:38 |
bshum |
But I could be wrong :) |
10:43 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona/bshum: Yeah, it was part of jspac. |
10:44 |
bshum |
Add it to the long list ;) |
10:44 |
bshum |
I guess. |
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jeff_ |
kmlussier: was there ever a (stock) add multiple items to a list (formerly bookbag) in jspac? i'm looking at a 2.2 stock skin, and I don't see it. |
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kmlussier |
jeff_: Hmmm...now that you mention it, maybe I am misremembering. Because you could only add to the bookbag from the title record, right? |
10:55 |
jeff_ |
that's what i recall, and what i'm seeing. |
10:55 |
jeff_ |
but i had to double-check. :-) |
10:56 |
kmlussier |
OK, sorry. I misspoke. :) |
10:56 |
* kmlussier |
wanders off to complete JAWS installation. |
10:57 |
jeff_ |
kmlussier++ |
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Dyrcona |
Yep. That's what it looks like. |
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Dyrcona |
bshum++ |
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eeevil |
Dyrcona: yes, monday. the comment on the table says so, IIRC |
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* eeevil |
checks |
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eeevil |
hrm... no comment in my instance here |
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paxed |
eeevil: this doesn't seem to create a working filter: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10 - any idea what i'm doing wrong? |
11:56 |
jeff_ |
eeevil: yeah, that's what i tried first. nothing. guessing the comments came about after the db did. |
11:57 |
jeff_ |
eeevil: and confirmed. i have the comments in another db. :-) |
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StephenGWills |
I have a request to sort results by call number so that results fall into types? Where is the wish list so I can stop bugging y'all until I know my requests are new? |
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StephenGWills |
i was looking in launchpad but am still a n00b there. |
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paxed |
StephenGWills: in advanced search, there's the "wishlist" under "importance" heading... |
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eeevil |
paxed: it looks ok to me, but I haven't tested it |
12:25 |
paxed |
the material() sees only the full 007 field, not the one character from pos 1 |
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eeevil |
this won't address that, but start_pos is 0-based |
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paxed |
yes, and i'm looking for the 2nd character. |
12:30 |
eeevil |
ah, ok |
12:39 |
paxed |
eeevil: do i need to explicitly do something so eg. the 007/1 will get indexed? bib reingest should be enough? |
12:42 |
eeevil |
paxed: it's presence in the record_attr_definition table does that. you should see the values in the HSTORE that lives in metabib.record_attr.attrs with the key "material" |
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paxed |
hm. i don't see it there. |
12:44 |
paxed |
err, derp, yeah, it's there |
12:45 |
paxed |
but it's the value of the whole 007 field, not just that one char. |
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eeevil |
paxed: that's probably leftovers from the previous attempt... |
12:49 |
paxed |
oh? hm... how do i purge those? |
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eeevil |
what does the following return for you? SELECT biblio.marc21_extract_fixed_field( $bibid, 'material'); -- replace $bibid with an appropriate bib id |
12:51 |
eeevil |
to purge material, UPDATE metabib.record_attr SET attrs = attrs - 'material'; |
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paxed |
that returns just one char, correctly |
12:52 |
eeevil |
cool. so, I guess, purge and then reingest a couple records. then search for "material(x)" (no quotes, replace "x") to test |
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paxed |
# UPDATE metabib.record_attr SET attrs = attrs - 'material'; |
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paxed |
ERROR: Unexpected end of string |
12:53 |
eeevil |
maybe got smartquotes from cut/paste? |
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paxed |
no |
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eeevil |
dunno then. I haven't seen that happen |
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eeevil |
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/hstore.html#HSTORE-OP-TABLE is where I got that construct |
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paxed |
UPDATE metabib.record_attr SET attrs = delete(attrs, 'material'); ...i think that works, or at least it's doing something :) |
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moodaepo_nb |
@help later |
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pinesol_green` |
moodaepo_nb: Error: There is no command "later". |
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bshum |
@list later |
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pinesol_green` |
bshum: notes, remove, and tell |
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* bshum |
points at proper supybot syntax for moodaepo_nb |
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bshum |
:) |
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rfrasur |
a little silly...but just a little. |
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moodaepo_nb |
bshum: thanks! |
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rfrasur |
In the reports interface, right now, even if you select more than one output, it will only allow you to view the first one selected. Is there a possibility to, if you select multiple outputs, open them each in their own tab simultaneously? |
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* bshum |
saw "reports interface" and went screaming for the hills!! |
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rfrasur |
lol - yes, I know...but it's what we have to work with |
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bshum |
I'm not sure it's possible to do what you're asking right now. I imagine that'd be some sort of enhancement. |
13:45 |
rfrasur |
okay |
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bshum |
Interesting idea though. |
13:46 |
rfrasur |
I'm just thinking that in the circulation module (as it were), when you bring up recent borrowers for an item, you can select to open all of their accounts (I'm not sure what the number is), and they open simultaneously. |
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rfrasur |
But I suspect the two modules are distant cousins. |
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* Dyrcona |
suspects that applying the term "module" to Evergreen's functional units is a bit of a misnomer. |
14:06 |
bshum |
Heh |
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rfrasur |
yeah, but i dunno what else to call it. |
14:09 |
rfrasur |
and it's what people in our consortium say...so, I choose not to argue that point. |
14:10 |
rfrasur |
am still trying to convince librarians there's a difference between wireless internet and other internet broadcast wirelessly through a local access point. |
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* rfrasur |
is losing the battle. |
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rfrasur |
(though I guess when you get right down to it...n/m) |
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pastebot |
"Dyrcona" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "Copies with weird deposit_amount" (5 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11 |
14:15 |
* Dyrcona |
sympathizes with rfrasur. |
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rfrasur |
It's cool though. I get to work in a library which is way better than a lot of other jobs out there. |
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* Dyrcona |
wonders if that is better than working at a consortium's central site. |
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rfrasur |
hmm, it depends on the day |
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rfrasur |
There are days when I have to shut my door and ignore humanity. But there are other days when there are little kids running in and out of here and people stopping by and those can be pretty good days. |
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* rfrasur |
isn't QUITE ready to give up. |
14:19 |
jeff_ |
Dyrcona: looks like one of our QA reports. |
14:19 |
jeff_ |
which reminds me, I need to upgrade jasper server. |
14:20 |
jeff_ |
(to fix a bug with "don't send reports via email if there's no data in them" -- somewhat critical for QA reports) |
14:26 |
paxed |
eeevil: i can't get the damn thing to work. the "material" doesn't show up in the metabib.record_attr.attrs at all now. |
14:27 |
paxed |
ohh. i guess i should set tag to null in config.record_attr_definition. |
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Dyrcona |
rfrasur++ |
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eeevil |
paxed: indeed ... I thought your stored proc removed the filter altogether to start with, though? |
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paxed |
well, i messed with it afterwards trying all kinds o stuff, so that tag was left over ... |
14:42 |
rfrasur |
(Have I also mentioned trying to train staff to use spreadsheets in a way that they can actually be used for more than list making?) |
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paxed |
eeevil: nope can't get it working :( |
14:49 |
pastebot |
"paxed" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "evergreen=# select * from conf" (19 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/12 |
14:49 |
paxed |
eeevil: ^ |
14:50 |
eeevil |
paxed: very strange, because the others work ... perhaps set default_val to " " (space) |
14:51 |
eeevil |
of course, that only comes into play when the value doesn't exist |
14:53 |
paxed |
default_val = " " didn't help. |
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paxed |
@roulette |
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pinesol_green` |
paxed: *click* |
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paxed |
frustration. |
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eeevil |
paxed: oh, hrm... did you enable the ingest.reingest.force_on_same_marc global flag? |
15:02 |
eeevil |
silly question, I know ... just want to make sure |
15:03 |
paxed |
yes |
15:07 |
rfrasur |
Today, one of my new employees is earning her salt. She's running the Minecraft program w/ a group of boys. I can install software, but am just not a gamer. |
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* rfrasur |
prefers analog legos |
15:08 |
eeevil |
paxed: so, there's already a sophisticated 007 parser. what, in particular, are you trying to accomplish? SMD filtering, I believe? |
15:09 |
paxed |
eeevil: it started as a learning experience, now i'm just trying to get this working. SMD? what 007 parser? |
15:10 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Have you loaded the fixes from https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1155278 to your production server? I was using your catalog for comparison when testing a problem here, but then remembered you're not on 2.4 yet. |
15:10 |
pinesol_green` |
Launchpad bug 1155278 in Evergreen "TPAC: Accessibility audit compliance" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Undecided,Fix released] |
15:11 |
* kmlussier |
wonders if there are any production systems using both 2.4 and auto suggest. |
15:11 |
eeevil |
007/01 (second character in 007) is described as the SMD field for ... well ... it looks like all record types. http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/0xx/field007table.html (easier to read, IMO, than the LOC version) |
15:11 |
kmlussier |
Ooh! Looks like SC LENDS is. |
15:12 |
paxed |
eeevil: well, i usually read the marc21 format in finnish, so i wouldn't know/remember what "SMD" stands for. |
15:12 |
dbs |
kmlussier: our test server ( http://laurentian-test.concat.ca ) has that loaded - and I think I did apply it to our production server, but can't recall for sure |
15:13 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Ok, I'll look there too. Thanks! |
15:13 |
eeevil |
paxed: gotcha, fair enough. so, you were looking for the 007/01 on a particular record type originally, what was that type? |
15:14 |
dbs |
kmlussier: IIRC, autosuggest is a massive pain for accessibility; at least in our implementation, where Dojo dijits don't even make ARIA a viable option |
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dbs |
also, advanced search is a complete mess for accessibility. "you are in a maze of twisty little boxes, all alike" |
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paxed |
eeevil: computer files |
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eeevil |
paxed: ok, so, where 007/00 = c, correct? |
15:15 |
paxed |
eeevil: so what filter gets the 007/01? yes |
15:16 |
dbs |
kmlussier: http://www-test.concat.ca/ is closer to stock than our LU skin |
15:16 |
kmlussier |
Yes, that's what I'm finding. C/W MARS modified their searchbar.tt2 based on your changes, but it still seems to be problematic in IE and Chrome. I'm not sure if was the problem with the way we patched it or if further work is needed. |
15:17 |
* kmlussier |
hasn't even looked at advanced search yet. :P |
15:17 |
dbs |
kmlussier: I couldn't easily fix the problem that autosuggest introduces, so I didn't |
15:17 |
dbs |
with autosuggest disabled, I think it's slightly better :/ |
15:18 |
* paxed |
wonders how well screen readers handle eg opac |
15:18 |
kmlussier |
dbs: OK, then. So it's a known issue that users with a screen reader can't do a search when autosuggest is enabled? |
15:18 |
dbs |
paxed: pretty well, with the exception of the autosuggest |
15:19 |
eeevil |
righto ... so we'll model this after the videorecording format filter that exists already. discarding all your existing filters and fixed field defs, insert instead: INSERT INTO config.record_attr_definition (name,label,phys_char_sf) values ('com_smd','Computer Files Material Type',(SELECT id FROM config.marc21_physical_characteristic_subfield_map WHERE ptype_key = 'c' and subfield = 'b' LIMIT 1)); |
15:19 |
paxed |
dbs: i consider autosuggest an abomination. |
15:19 |
kmlussier |
With autosuggest disabeld, it seems to work fairly well. But, then again, I'm not a user of screen readers and may be missing something. |
15:19 |
eeevil |
paxed: last was for you... |
15:20 |
dbs |
kmlussier: I dunno if all screen readers are incapable, or if there's a JAWS workaround etc, but I do know that the accessibility audit doesn't have a SEVERE alert when autosuggest is disabled |
15:20 |
bshum |
Does anyone else have an opinion on including javascript in tt2 files? Reviewing bug 1164720 and not sure how it wouldn't continue to behave oddly with non-JS browsers. |
15:20 |
pinesol_green` |
Launchpad bug 1164720 in Evergreen "Do not allow a list to be created with no name" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164720 |
15:20 |
eeevil |
paxed: after a restart/reingest, you'll have a new filter spelled: com_smd() |
15:21 |
dbs |
kmlussier: an alternative may be for screen reader users to disable javascript; that effectively disables autosuggest and not much else (depending on added content, etc) |
15:21 |
kmlussier |
dbs: This morning, I used Chrome's accessibility add-on and had no trouble. It may just be a JAWS issue, but, then again, JAWS has a big share of the market. |
15:21 |
dbs |
kmlussier: yeah, understood. I can't recall if I checked the recent Dojo version to see if that issue had been addressed |
15:23 |
paxed |
eeevil: ok, now how do i do a filter for any type of record, or do i have to make a different filter name for each type of record? |
15:23 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Thanks for the info. So it sounds like disabling java or using Firefox are some workarounds for the time being. I'll test try some tests with java disabled. |
15:23 |
eeevil |
dbs: I believe ARIA is surfaced much better in modern dojo's |
15:25 |
eeevil |
paxed: the values in 007/01 overlap across record types ("a" means different things based on 007/00), so the short answer is "yes, a filter per type". that being said, what you've been trying to do /should/ work, so figuring out why it's not would be good, because then you could do it with a single filter on 007/00 with a length of 2 |
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paxed |
eeevil: com_smd should show in metabib.record_attr attrs, right? |
15:26 |
eeevil |
it should, yes |
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paxed |
hm, perhaps there were no computer files in the limited reingest. |
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eeevil |
select record from metabib.full_rec where tag = '007' and value like 'c%' limit 10; |
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dbs |
kmlussier: javascript! disable javascript! java's a whole other thing; just uninstall java entirely :) |
15:36 |
paxed |
eeevil: nope, no com_smd in metabib.record_attr.attrs |
15:38 |
kmlussier |
dbs: Bleh! Sorry, I knew that but wansn't even paying attention to what I was typing. :) |
15:38 |
kmlussier |
Java is what I was drinking from my cup when I was typing. |
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dbs |
hah |
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paxed |
eeevil: if you've got time, would you like to look into this yourself on the server? |
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* rfrasur |
updated java on a bunch of computers this morning with the hope that it'd leave me alone forever. |
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eeevil |
paxed: I would, but I won't have time this afternoon (evening for you, I know). can we try tomorrow earlier in the day? |
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paxed |
eeevil: sure |
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jeff_ |
who in the community is currently using/relying on legacy circ scripts? sitka and Indiana? |
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phasefx |
conifer I think |
17:26 |
phasefx |
kent |
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jihpringle |
jeff_: at Sitka we no longer use legacy circ and we should be off all legacy hold scripts by July 2 |
17:41 |
jeff_ |
jihpringle: ah, thanks! |
17:41 |
jihpringle |
np |
17:42 |
jeff_ |
I was just musing on what it would look like to kill SpiderMonkey and implement scripts (in a different form) under plv8. |
17:42 |
jeff_ |
somewhat idle musing. |
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gmcharlt |
jeff_: who would use it? |
17:45 |
jeff_ |
gmcharlt: well, apparently not sitka. :-) |
17:46 |
gmcharlt |
I can't say I'd be terribly excited about the prospect of it just to extend the life of circ scripts |
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