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| 10:03 |
Dyrcona |
miker: Using asset.copy_vis_attr_cache is not always faster than doing the 5 joins necessary to get similar information. The former was faster on one database server where I tested, but on another it was slower than the latter by 10 minutes. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
I also got different numbers of output rows, so it's not a 1:1 comparison. I am using copy_vis_attr_cache and asset.patron_default_visibility_mask() in produciton, now. |
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| 10:38 |
Dyrcona |
phasefx: Please see https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1959010/comments/14 . I don't know how much the functionality depends on ngbnav, so I didn't feel comfortable trying to backport the new branch to 3.10. |
| 10:38 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1959010 in Evergreen "Angular Catalog should include "Summary" Tab" [Undecided,Confirmed] |
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| 12:13 |
jeff |
I'm comparing some common children's book cataloging practices (especially as it relates to metarecord mapping / fingerprinting). I see two common practices: |
| 12:13 |
jeff |
245 10 $a Diary of a wimpy kid : $b the meltdown / $c by Jeff Kinney. |
| 12:13 |
jeff |
245 10 $a Diary of a wimpy kid. $p Rodrick rules / $c by Jeff Kinney. |
| 12:13 |
jeff |
but then I also see this practice at PINES: |
| 12:13 |
jeff |
245 10 $a Rodrick rules / $c by Jeff Kinney. |
| 12:15 |
jeff |
The $p method is better than the $b method for metarecord mapping purposes, though the display title looks "worse" to me. |
| 12:15 |
jeff |
But the PINES method of dropping the common title start (at least in this case / this series) is intriguing. |
| 12:16 |
jeff |
Does anyone here (from PINES or otherwise) know if that's a common thing, or a contentious/controversial thing with hundreds of argument-hours in the background? :-) |
| 12:18 |
jihpringle |
in my experience when it comes to series cataloguing can be a bit of a free for all - I've seen examples like all three of yours in our catalogue |
| 12:21 |
jihpringle |
(I'm not a cataloguer so I'm not sure what the cataloguing standards say these days about cataloguing series in regards to the 245) |
| 12:22 |
jeff |
It isn't an issue with many series, but in a case like this where the "title" of each book begins with the series name... |
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| 12:33 |
kmlussier |
Just popping in to say Diary of a Wimpy Kid is one of those records that prompted me to incorporate subfield n and p in the biblio fingerprint. That and the Hunger Games movies. It's very frustrating to try to get those to work in a user friendly way. |
| 12:40 |
* kmlussier |
is also popping in because it's the last day of my vacation and I like hanging out here in my off time. You all have kind of grown on me over the years. :) |
| 12:46 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: There's a field for series titles (I forget the tag), and PINES are probably putting it there. |
| 12:46 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier++ |
| 12:47 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: yes, 490, etc. I was focusing on the 245 in particular. |
| 12:47 |
jeff |
As I think kmlussier confirmed, it's only certain series that follow this title pattern (where each book in the series has the series name as part of the title name). |
| 12:50 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Cool. I've got a problem to deal with. Looks like the dev server is hosed again. I susspect something runs overnight to stop or to restart services and its failing. |
| 12:50 |
kmlussier |
Technically, it should be in the 245a, but I'm also always a proponent of breaking cataloging rules when it benefits the end user. |
| 12:55 |
jeff |
Yeah. It's that fun balancing act between "consistency", "adjusting cataloging practices to benefit users", and "mangling the metadata as a method of making momentary modifications to the marks that manifest on my monitor" ;-) |
| 12:55 |
Dyrcona |
I think too much of the latter goes on, honestly. |
| 12:56 |
* Dyrcona |
checks for some con job that blows things up nightly. |
| 12:56 |
jeff |
MARC by experimentation can turn into cargo cult cataloging very quickly. |
| 12:56 |
jeff |
"when we change this in the MARC record it fixes the information displayed to match what we want to see" doesn't (always) scale. |
| 12:56 |
* Dyrcona |
flaps the palm fronds and flies off into a dream.... |
| 12:57 |
jeff |
we try to keep the lines of communication open so that we don't discover such things too far down the line. :-) |
| 12:58 |
kmlussier |
jeff: You said the p method looks worse as a display title. Is it a case where you could make adjustments to how subfield p displays to get the best of both worlds? I don't really know how it even displays now. |
| 13:01 |
jeff |
yes, probably. |
| 13:02 |
jeff |
It would require examining how other 245 tags use the p field to determine if we'd be fixing one thing to break another. |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
it mostly has to do with the ISBD punctuation recommendations with the two. |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
this: 245 10 $a Diary of a wimpy kid : $b the meltdown / $c by Jeff Kinney. |
| 13:03 |
jeff |
displays as: Diary of a wimpy kid : the meltdown |
| 13:03 |
Dyrcona |
Anyone ever seen something like this before: Removing router class 'open-ils.supercat' because of a bad top-level file descriptor |
| 13:04 |
jeff |
this: 245 10 $a Diary of a wimpy kid. $p Rodrick rules / $c by Jeff Kinney. |
| 13:04 |
Dyrcona |
I've got that message for open-ils.cat, too. |
| 13:04 |
jeff |
displays as: Diary of a wimpy kid Rodrick rules |
| 13:04 |
Dyrcona |
I think it means the listener died. |
| 13:05 |
Dyrcona |
And the stderr log for open-ils.cat points to a problem with Ejabberd. |
| 13:09 |
Dyrcona |
So, given the line number of the error, something is failing to authenticate with Ejabberd, but the listeners and drones start up OK. |
| 13:14 |
kmlussier |
jeff: I see what you mean, and that display seems to be standard across library catalogs regardless of the software. Adding some kind of punctuation there (a hyphen?) may be helpful, but, like you said, you would need to see how it affects other records. |
| 13:29 |
Dyrcona |
Speaking of cargo cult, I wiped out /var/lib/ejabberd and registered the router and opensrf users again. Maybe something there was corrupted? |
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| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
reading back and kmlussier++ |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Hi! :) |
| 14:14 |
* mmorgan |
waves to kmlussier |
| 14:14 |
mmorgan |
Happy Vacation! |
| 14:15 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: Well, it's almost over and I'm already starting to do some work so that I don't have to work a 12-hour day tomorrow. But thank you! |
| 14:37 |
scottangel |
So I'm working on some code and my ide is removing trailing whitespace due to the .editorconfig file containing [*] trim_trailing_whitespace=true. Will my commits be ok if they have a bunch of trailing whitespace removed? I'm trying to keep these commits as clean as possible for you guys. |
| 14:38 |
Dyrcona |
The general preference has been for irrelevant whitespace fixes to be in a commit separate from functionality changes when they occur in a branch. |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
So, if you change code on the line and the whitespace at the end is deleted, that's good. |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
If the change is only whitespace on the end, a separate commit is preferred to cut down on noise when reading diffs. |
| 14:41 |
scottangel |
Yea, that's what I was wondering. It's whitespace from lines I've not touched. Ok, I'll just disable that setting and clean this up. That was driving me nuts for a minute. I had that setting disabled and it was still clearing whitespace. That sneaky .editorconfig! lol Thanks Dyrcona |
| 14:41 |
scottangel |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:41 |
jeff |
\copy (SELECT * FROM (SELECT rank() OVER (ORDER BY count DESC), * FROM report_books) AS report WHERE rank <= 50) to PSTDOUT |
| 14:41 |
jeff |
bah. |
| 14:42 |
jeff |
the way my window manager handles switching between apps with multiple monitors is slightly annoying. that's at least the second time I've almost pasted output here -- this one went through because it wasn't multi-line. :-) |
| 14:42 |
Dyrcona |
scottangel: You're welcome. BTW: `git add -p` can be useful for these types of things. It lets you selectively add lines to commit. |
| 14:43 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: I figured "wrong window." :) |
| 14:43 |
Dyrcona |
I make the second monitor appear on every virtual desktop, but dunno if that helps your situation. |
| 14:44 |
mmorgan |
@ana wrong window |
| 14:44 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: Grown window |
| 14:46 |
Dyrcona |
@ana window wrong |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: Grow down win |
| 14:46 |
mmorgan |
@ana grow down win |
| 14:46 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: Wrong window |
| 14:46 |
mmorgan |
:) |
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| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
@dessert |
| 15:31 |
* pinesol |
grabs some of jcamins' amazing mint-wasabi chocolate chip cookies for Dyrcona |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
Well, OK, but I was thinking more along the lines of Scottish shortbread butter cookies. |
| 15:33 |
kmlussier |
@dessert Dyrcona |
| 15:33 |
* pinesol |
grabs some Walker's Pure Butter Shortbread for Dyrcona |
| 15:33 |
kmlussier |
Ha! |
| 15:33 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
Ha! |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier++ |
| 15:35 |
Dyrcona |
These aren't Walker's, but they're close enough. |
| 15:37 |
kmlussier |
I've been trying really hard not to just keep issuing commands to pinesol all afternoon because I don't want to distract people doing real work. But the dessert command is my weakness. |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
@dessert kmlussier |
| 15:37 |
* pinesol |
grabs some Walker's Pure Butter Shortbread for kmlussier |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
I think pinesol is stuck on shortbread, now. |
| 15:38 |
kmlussier |
That's okay. I like shortbread. |
| 15:38 |
* kmlussier |
hasn't met many desserts she doesn't like. |
| 15:39 |
Dyrcona |
@dessert list |
| 15:39 |
* pinesol |
grabs some Chocolate Pudding for list |
| 15:39 |
Dyrcona |
oops. |
| 15:40 |
kmlussier |
@dessert 35 [someone] |
| 15:40 |
* pinesol |
grabs some of kmlussier's cookies for kmlussier |
| 15:40 |
miker |
jeff: I want to implement multiple fingerprints per bib, and (perhaps obv) multiple fingerprint definitions in config.biblio_fingerprint, each with a purpose (frbr work, frbr edition, "patron thinks of these as basically the same", etc) |
| 15:41 |
* miker |
wants to implement a lot of things... |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
miker++ |
| 15:41 |
kmlussier |
miker: Do you need help prioritizing your list of things? :) |
| 15:42 |
miker |
kmlussier: yes, but I need tuits (purchased or donated) more ;) |
| 15:43 |
kmlussier |
miker: Alas, I'm not in a position to purchase tuits anymore, but I bake great cookies! |
| 15:44 |
Dyrcona |
Will code for baked goods.... :) |
| 15:44 |
rfrasur |
kmlussier: much belated hellos. EOY joy all around. |
| 15:46 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Oof. Sorry to hear it. My EOY was in July and is now a distant memory. |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
++ |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
It's not a terrible thing. Just one task after another. All "super duper time sensitive." |
| 15:46 |
rfrasur |
Ish |
| 15:47 |
mmorgan |
kmlussier: If you come up with a recipe for tuit cookies, send some our way! |
| 15:48 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: Ooh, a challenge! I'll give some thought to that. It would definitely require coffee as a key ingredient. |
| 15:49 |
mmorgan |
@coffee kmlussier |
| 15:49 |
* pinesol |
brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Yirgacheffe Koke, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier |
| 15:49 |
mmorgan |
First ingredient! |
| 15:49 |
kmlussier |
We'll just let pinesol identify the ingredients for us. |
| 15:49 |
kmlussier |
@swill |
| 15:49 |
* pinesol |
grabs a can of Sparks and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier |
| 15:49 |
kmlussier |
That's for the anti-tuit cookie. |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
speaking of fingerprinting/metarecord challenges... |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
240 10 $a Novellas. $k Selections |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
245 10 $a Sparring partners / $c John Grisham. |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
I'm not sure that 240 belongs, but IANAC. |
| 15:54 |
kmlussier |
jeff: But do you know enough MARC to be fun at parties? |
| 15:54 |
* kmlussier |
agrees that it doesn't belong there but also is not a cataloger. |
| 15:54 |
mmorgan |
:) |
| 15:55 |
berick |
@who made tuit-cookies for [band] |
| 15:55 |
pinesol |
Bmagic made tuit-cookies for Dang Old Banjo. |
| 15:57 |
jeff |
looking at you, OCLC record 1296018850 :-P |
| 16:02 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ # For some out-of-IRC things. |
| 16:04 |
jvwoolf |
@quote search kmlussier |
| 16:04 |
pinesol |
jvwoolf: 9 found: #109: "< kmlussier> I live for sanity checks.", #116: "< kmlussier> You never know what trouble you...", #118: "< kmlussier> Every day is Bug Squashing Day for...", #124: "<kmlussier> True fact. NOBLE never runs out of...", #126: "<kmlussier> I could talk about search all day....", #131: "<kmlussier> All my meetings are about...", #139: "< kmlussier> NOBLE, the place where you can...", #155: "< (1 more message) |
| 16:05 |
jvwoolf |
@quote get 116 |
| 16:05 |
pinesol |
jvwoolf: Quote #116: "< kmlussier> You never know what trouble you can get into by reading Evergreen documentation." (added by csharp at 08:57 AM, May 29, 2015) |
| 16:05 |
jvwoolf |
Ah memories :) |
| 16:05 |
kmlussier |
I said that? huh |
| 16:06 |
mmorgan |
@quote get 139 |
| 16:06 |
pinesol |
mmorgan: Quote #139: "< kmlussier> NOBLE, the place where you can have unlimited coffee and Located URI's that appear in a consortium-wide search. :)" (added by csharp at 03:10 PM, February 09, 2016) |
| 16:06 |
* mmorgan |
had to know! |
| 16:06 |
kmlussier |
mmorgan: That's the one I was curious about. I knew about the coffee on up above. |
| 16:07 |
kmlussier |
@quote get 131 |
| 16:07 |
pinesol |
kmlussier: Quote #131: "<kmlussier> All my meetings are about Evergreen, ergo all my meetings are fun." (added by gmcharlt at 03:40 PM, December 02, 2015) |
| 16:08 |
kmlussier |
I guess that one didn't stand the test of time. |
| 16:09 |
jvwoolf |
:'( |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 16:11 |
jvwoolf |
kmlussier: I'm heading out but wanted to pop in and say hi before I go. So, hi! |
| 16:11 |
jvwoolf |
And bye :) |
| 16:11 |
kmlussier |
jvwoolf: That could change. I still have at least 15 years until retirement. Who knows what will happen in that time? |
| 16:11 |
kmlussier |
jvwoolf: Thanks for saying hi! See you in April. :) |
| 16:12 |
jvwoolf |
kmlussier: You tease ;) |
| 16:12 |
jvwoolf |
See you then! |
| 16:55 |
kmlussier |
Heading out for the night, but it was great chatting with you all! I'm sure you'll hear from me again before the conference! Maybe you'll finish Evergreen by then. |
| 16:58 |
Dyrcona |
Cheers, kmlussier! |
| 16:58 |
kmlussier |
:) |
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