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<td class="time" id="i_248059"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248059">03:46</a></td>
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<td class="msg ">gsams joined #evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248060"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248060">07:20</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248061"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248061">07:22</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248062"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248062">07:22</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248063"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248063">07:23</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248064"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248064">07:46</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248065"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248065">07:58</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248066"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248066">08:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 1d20</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248067"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248067">08:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: 8</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248068"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248068">08:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Aww, miss!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248069"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248069">08:13</a></td>
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<td class="msg ">collum joined #evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248070"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248070">08:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Lovely! I started my morning off making a typo in an LP comment, which, of course, can't be edited.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248071"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248071">08:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">@coffee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248072"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248072">08:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">brews and pours a cup of Sumatra Lake Tawar, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248073"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248073">08:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">pinesol_green: Thank you for not giving me decaf.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248074"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248074">08:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: BIG LETTERS MEAN BIG IDEAS, AM I RIGHT THOUGHT LEADERS?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248075"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248075">08:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248076"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248076">08:23</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248077"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248077">08:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #005c5c" class="nick">pastebot</td>
<td class="msg ">"krvmga" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "eg_vhost.conf virtual host section" (34 lines) at <a href="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10" title="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10">http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248078"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248078">08:26</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248079"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248079">08:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #005c5c" class="nick">pastebot</td>
<td class="msg ">"krvmga" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "more eg.conf and eg_vhost.conf" (4 lines) at <a href="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11" title="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11">http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248080"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248080">08:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">the issue i'm experiencing is that <a href="http://training.cwmars.org" title="http://training.cwmars.org">http://training.cwmars.org</a> and <a href="http://academic.cwmars.org" title="http://academic.cwmars.org">http://academic.cwmars.org</a> are showing the same templates</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248081"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248081">08:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Quick glance, you could be more specific with the Virtualhost: *:80 definitions. Make them like <Virtualhost: training.cwmars.org:80></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248082"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248082">08:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Since you're in here, I'm looking for feedback on <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1424656/comments/6" title="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1424656/comments/6">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1424656/comments/6</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248083"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248083">08:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 1424656 in Evergreen "OPAC: grammatical error in patron hold status display" [Undecided,Confirmed]</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248084"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248084">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">So that when you go to that site (over port 80) you get the right pathing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248085"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248085">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: I thought you might be interested since you submitted the original patch.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248086"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248086">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">You probably need 443 definitions too, if they aren't already around somewhere.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248087"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248087">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: thanks. i'll try that.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248088"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248088">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Otherwise, if someone went to the secure site, it wouldn't apply the right additional templates too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248089"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248089">08:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: i just saw you had popped this up and thought "wow, that looks really familiar"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248090"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248090">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Well, to be fair, Scott Thomas popped it up.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248091"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248091">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: i've got the 443 definitions in there but i'll look there, too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248092"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248092">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: My two cents, go with the JSPA version :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248093"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248093">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: Ha ha. Way to make me feel better about my typo. ;)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248094"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248094">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: Though either way, it seems to me like a language alteration so not slated for fix till 2.next</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248095"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248095">08:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: i prefer "copy/copies"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248096"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248096">08:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Yeah, I wasn't so much looking for the copy/copies feedback. But the mmorgan suggestion vs. the JSPAC variation.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248097"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248097">08:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, release fix anyways, anybody can locally patch.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248098"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248098">08:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: I was thinking about that. I understand the constraints with string changes. But if something is a bug, it's a bug, right</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248099"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248099">08:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Scott is right. Libraries are left looking silly with the current string. And there are lots of sites that probably don't locally patch.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248100"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248100">08:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: i'm happy with "hold x on y copy/copies"; patron confusion over the word "potential"?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248101"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248101">08:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: OK, can you add that preference to the bug for documentation purposes? If we get enough feedback to go in one direction or another, I'll try to whip up a branch this afternoon.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248102"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248102">08:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Hmmm...we could also combine the two ideas. hold # x of y copy/copies</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248103"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248103">08:36</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248104"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248104">08:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: i tried making the virtualhost more specific and got [warn] VirtualHost training.cwmars.org:80 overlaps with VirtualHost academic.cwmars.org:80, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248105"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248105">08:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: i'll do it right now.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248106"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248106">08:40</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248107"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248107">08:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">checks the log</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248108"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248108">08:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Oh hmm, heh</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248109"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248109">08:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">is rusty</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248110"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248110">08:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">And there isn't a log for today.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248111"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248111">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">There is</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248112"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248112">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It's just not linked</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248113"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248113">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Probably bad caching for the main log page</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248114"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248114">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Go for the "today" link Dyrcona</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248115"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248115">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Ah, OK. Not in the calendar, but the Today link works.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248116"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248116">08:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">is embarrassed. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248117"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248117">08:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">cleared the cache and the main calendar entries are all linked up again</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248118"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248118">08:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It's a goofy bug that happens to ilbot from time to time</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248119"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248119">08:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I hope someday whenever I get around to upgrading it, maybe it'll stop being weird.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248120"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248120">08:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: You can't do that in an Apache config. You need a NameVirtualHost directive for the second one, just like the error tells you.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248121"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248121">08:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Re-reading it, I think krvmga was okay with the original paste actually, with Virtualhost *:80, etc.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248122"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248122">08:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">With the variant ServerName</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248123"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248123">08:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">So if the templates aren't showing, then it seems more like an ordering problem with the directives?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248124"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248124">08:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">never really played with template overrides</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248125"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248125">08:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: i originally thought it was an ordering problem but the ordering is right in eg_vhost.conf</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248126"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248126">08:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: The 2nd paste, with the three in reverse</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248127"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248127">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Is that in the main eg_vhost.conf?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248128"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248128">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or err</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248129"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248129">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: that's the main eg_vhost.conf</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248130"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248130">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">the second paste</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248131"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248131">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Cause that would mean it would apply those three template all the time</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248132"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248132">08:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Regardless of which host you use</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248133"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248133">08:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">In eg.conf, that extra block you're trying in the virtualhost area to define additional template overrides per host</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248134"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248134">08:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">That's how you apply the extras</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248135"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248135">08:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But if you define them globally in eg_vhost.conf, it'll apply them all the time</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248136"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248136">08:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I would remove the extra overrides from there, then reload apache, and see if academic vs. cwopac show different after that.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248137"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248137">08:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: i thought it cascaded through by host name</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248138"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248138">08:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: i'll try that right now</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248139"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248139">08:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: What does apachectl -S report?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248140"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248140">08:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: i'll check</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248141"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248141">08:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Or are you saying you need cwopac and academic together to form a more perfect opac for academics?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248142"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248142">08:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #005c5c" class="nick">pastebot</td>
<td class="msg ">"krvmga" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "output of apachectl -S" (11 lines) at <a href="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/12" title="http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/12">http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/12</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248143"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248143">08:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">In which case, if everybody needs cwopac, then you could leave that defined globally, and only apply the academic extra for that definition.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248144"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248144">08:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">The sites are configured properly, but should they have the same document root?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248145"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248145">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: no. cwopac and academic should show different sets of templates. let me try what you suggested and i'll let you know</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248146"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248146">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: in this case i was just following the example in the docs</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248147"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248147">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga: Then yeah, what I said should work. In theory.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248148"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248148">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">they show /openils/var/web as the document root</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248149"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248149">08:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or at least, based on my read of how <a href="http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.10/_how_to_override_templates.html" title="http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.10/_how_to_override_templates.html">http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.10/_how_to_override_templates.html</a> works</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248150"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248150">08:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It says apache configuration for "all libraries" (eg_vhost.conf) vs. apache configuration for each virtual host (eg.conf)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248151"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248151">08:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">For the last two sections.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248152"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248152">08:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">So the "all libraries" is the key difference, if you list them there, they apply to everybody</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248153"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248153">08:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: thanks, that appears to have done the trick.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248154"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248154">08:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248155"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248155">08:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248156"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248156">09:00</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248157"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248157">09:00</a></td>
<td style="color: #131000" class="nick">krvmga</td>
<td class="msg ">okay, i think the doc wasn't clear enough for my brain - maybe i'll submit a doc patch for that page to spell it out a little more</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248158"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248158">09:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">krvmga++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248159"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248159">09:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: Yes, I agree with your comment on the preposition. I had the same thought after submitting my last comment, but I didn't want to spam bug mail with yet another small tweak to the string. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248160"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248160">09:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">@dessert phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248161"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248161">09:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">grabs some Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream for phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248162"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248162">09:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">(happy birthday!)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248163"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248163">09:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248164"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248164">09:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: Gotcha :)</td>
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<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">doesn't like copy/copies, plus if the string is internationalized, it needs to work for languages with different plural forms based on number.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248166"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248166">09:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">@dessert 41 phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248167"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248167">09:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">grabs some birthday cake with lots of candles for phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248168"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248168">09:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248169"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248169">09:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: I could be misremembering, but I believe copy/copies may already be in lots of places in the tpac files.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248170"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248170">09:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: It may be, but that doesn't make it optimal.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248171"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248171">09:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">What would your suggestion be then?</td>
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<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I'd have to look at it, but likely something based on the number to choose the appropriate word.</td>
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<td style="color: #5f6000" class="nick">* mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg act ">assumed that copy/copies meant that it would be singular if y=1 and plural if y>1. That's what it does currently.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248174"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248174">09:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes, what mmorgan said</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248175"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248175">09:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I assumed it meant literally what was mentioned in the comment.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248176"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248176">09:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">shuts up, now.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248177"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248177">09:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: No, since it already is doing that, I just assumed people understood what my shorthand meant. ;)</td>
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<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">@tea Dyrcona</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248179"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248179">09:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">brews and pours a pot of Dragon Pearl Jasmine, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (<a href="http://ratetea.com/tea/harney/dragon-pearl-jasmine/1320/)" title="http://ratetea.com/tea/harney/dragon-pearl-jasmine/1320/)">http://ratetea.com/tea/harney/dragon-pearl-jasmine/1320/)</a></td>
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<td style="color: #7f6f00" class="nick">* kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg act ">would like to start working on it now, but should probably slog through some more emails first. :(</td>
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<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">is working on <a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1548993" title="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1548993">https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1548993</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248187"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248187">09:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 1548993 in Evergreen 2.9 "TPAC Show More/Fewer Details Button does not work with show_more_details.default set to true" [Undecided,Confirmed]</td>
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<td style="color: #00ac92" class="nick">* phasefx</td>
<td class="msg act ">loves mint chocolate chip</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248190"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248190">09:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: I was tempted to send you Samoas instead of the birthday cake.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248191"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248191">09:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #007f88" class="nick">phasefx</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: you sent me a birthday cake? thanks! :D</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248192"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248192">09:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: well, technically, pinesol_green did.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248193"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248193">09:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #007f88" class="nick">phasefx</td>
<td class="msg ">ah! see it now; I stopped at ice cream *8)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248194"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248194">09:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: Better blow out all those candles, quick!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248195"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248195">10:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@dessert phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248196"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248196">10:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">grabs some pineapple chocolate things from New Zealand for phasefx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248198"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248198">10:13</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248199"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248199">10:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">So, I found a small issue with the 0951 upgrade script.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248200"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248200">10:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">It doesn't insert the version into config.upgrade_log if you run the script by itself, because that line is commented out.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248201"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248201">10:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm tempted to just fix it and push it to master and rel_2_10, but wondered if the consensus is that I go through Launchpad, etc.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248202"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248202">10:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">The 2.9.3-2.10.0 upgrade script does insert the version, so this won't affect ordinary upgrades or releases.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248203"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248203">10:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #032c28" class="nick">* Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg act ">makes a branch and waits for some input.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248204"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248204">10:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Oof, sorry, that was me.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248205"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248205">10:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: I'd go with 'just fix it' in the repos</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248206"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248206">10:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I wouldn't get crazy with LP</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248207"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248207">10:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It's just a followup fix for the original LP post-merge</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248208"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248208">10:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Not that big of a deal, but I noticed when running my own DB upgrade script that it tried to apply it again.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248209"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248209">10:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">So if anything, reference the original LP# in the commit, if we wanted to trace it down</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248210"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248210">10:35</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248211"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248211">10:36</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248212"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248212">10:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">S'pose I could throw up a branch and one or both of you could sign off on it?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248213"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248213">10:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum kmlussier: <a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/dyrcona/lp1499123_0951-upgrade-fix" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/dyrcona/lp1499123_0951-upgrade-fix">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/dyrcona/lp1499123_0951-upgrade-fix</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248214"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248214">10:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">It should got to master and rel_2_10.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248215"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248215">10:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">bleh...go not got....I always do that.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248216"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248216">11:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: Sorry, I was busy talking list migration stuff with tsbere. I'll take care of it now.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248217"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248217">11:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">Thanks! No rush. It probably only really affects me. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248219"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248219">11:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">[evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP 1499123: 0951.schema.config.standing_penalty.ignore_proximity.sql. - <<a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=160563b" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=160563b">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=160563b</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248220"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248220">11:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248221"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248221">11:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248222"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248222">11:31</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248223"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248223">11:41</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248224"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248224">12:00</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248225"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248225">12:01</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248226"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248226">12:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++ # fixed width ledger summary on wiki</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248227"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248227">12:12</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248228"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248228">12:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++ #same reason as bshum</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248229"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248229">12:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++ indeed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248230"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248230">12:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt: Do you ever hear anything from those people who are trying to set up a better way to access the ledger?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248231"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248231">12:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: I did; live intervened with the person who was going to do it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248232"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248232">12:15</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248233"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248233">12:15</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248234"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248234">12:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">OTOH, hledger would not be hard to stand up on our own</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248235"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248235">12:18</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248238"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248238">12:46</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248239"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248239">12:55</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248240"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248240">13:05</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248241"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248241">13:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@decide hledger or Heath Ledger</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248242"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248242">13:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: go with hledger</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248243"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248243">13:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: I thought something similar when I saw hledger.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248244"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248244">13:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #001597" class="nick">* rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg act ">chooses Heath Ledger.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248245"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248245">13:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #7f6f00" class="nick">* kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg act ">agrees with rfrasur</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248246"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248246">13:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@why so serious?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248247"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248247">13:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Go away, or I'll replace you with a very small shell script!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248248"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248248">13:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">pinesol_green, why so @grumpy?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248249"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248249">13:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: If all else fails, try this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248250"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248250">13:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Factoid 'why so @grumpy?' not found</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248251"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248251">13:26</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248252"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248252">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">straw poll: do most folk disable replication when running database upgrades? i think it's common to do so when using slony, but do you also disable things like WAL continuous archiving, or streaming replication?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248253"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248253">13:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: I do</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248254"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248254">13:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">it doesn't seem worth all the WAL files</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248255"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248255">13:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">the benefits seem limited.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248256"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248256">13:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">you're operating with no clients connected.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248257"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248257">13:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">and it's so easy in PG 9.4+ to use pg_basebackup and replication slots to repopulate the replicas</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248258"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248258">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #0e1103" class="nick">bmills1</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: we just did a 9.3 upgrade from 9.1 and i stopped our streaming replication reporting database beforehand, blew away the 9.1 cluster and restored from a pg_basebackup of the production database after the upgrade</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248259"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248259">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">extra overhead (during) and storage (continuing, for whatever your WAL retention is)...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248260"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248260">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">bmills1: oh, if i was unclear -- i was talking about evergreen upgrades and not postgres upgrades</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248261"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248261">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">we're on postgres 9.4 already.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248262"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248262">13:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #0e1103" class="nick">bmills1</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: ah, ok. sorry!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248263"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248263">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c40092" class="nick">jeffdavis</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: I'm not planning to disable replication when we do our upgrade this weekend.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248264"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248264">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">bmills1: I know you can't log-ship between two different major postgres versions... can you do streaming replication between?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248265"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248265">13:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">jeffdavis: and (somewhat tangental) what replication methods and postgres version are you working with?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248266"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248266">13:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #c40092" class="nick">jeffdavis</td>
<td class="msg ">PG9.4 with streaming replication</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248267"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248267">13:41</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248268"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248268">13:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #c40092" class="nick">jeffdavis</td>
<td class="msg ">i.e. the built-in streaming replication functionality in 9.0+, not slony</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248269"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248269">13:42</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248270"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248270">13:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">jeffdavis: do you see advantages to the replication during the upgrade, or is it more a matter of avoiding the overhead of breaking and re-establishing the replication?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248271"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248271">13:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #0e1103" class="nick">bmills1</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: i'm not sure. i don't think it would be recommended? both replica and the main postgres database were always running the same version when they were talking to each other. i stopped streaming before the upgrade and then had the empty 9.3 replica fed from the 9.3 master</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248272"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248272">13:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">"we have this replication up and running already, we have the capacity to keep it running, there's little advantage in stopping and starting it -- just keep it running", etc.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248273"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248273">13:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">bmills1: got it. thanks. :-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248274"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248274">13:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #c40092" class="nick">jeffdavis</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: the latter - less work to do (in theory), which means more attention for squashing upgrade bugs</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248275"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248275">13:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">got it!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248276"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248276">13:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">any of you using streaming replication also continuing to ship WAL logs anywhere, even for "just in case"?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248277"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248277">13:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">(we're currently not streaming, but when we start i'm likely to continue to ship WAL files)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248278"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248278">13:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #c40092" class="nick">jeffdavis</td>
<td class="msg ">you mean shipping WAL logs somewhere other than the standby server?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248279"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248279">13:49</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248280"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248280">13:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">i mean shipping WAL files somewhere other than the server(s) on the other end of the streaming replication.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248281"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248281">13:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">so, I think my answer to your question is "yes" :-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248282"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248282">13:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">T-10 minutes until the EOB meeting</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248283"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248283">13:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">not talking about WAL shipping AND streaming replication to the same server, which sounds silly and likely not-possible. :-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248284"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248284">13:52</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248285"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248285">13:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: we have a replication slot that streams into a dir on an external hard drive on another server and we take nightly pg_basebackups</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248286"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248286">13:59</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248287"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248287">14:01</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248288"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248288">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">EOB meeting is about to start</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248289"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248289">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">indeed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248290"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248290">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, May 19, 2016</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248291"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248291">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Meeting started Thu May 19 14:01:42 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot" title="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot">http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot</a>.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248292"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248292">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248293"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248293">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__may_19__2016'</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248294"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248294">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link Agenda <a href="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-5-19" title="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-5-19">http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-5-19</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248295"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248295">14:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link Meetbot command cheatsheet <a href="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-meetbot" title="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-meetbot">http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-meetbot</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248296"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248296">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Introductions</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248297"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248297">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Oversight Board members, please introduce yourself with #info</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248298"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248298">14:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248299"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248299">14:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248300"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248300">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Terran McCanna, PINES / Georgia Public Library Service</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248301"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248301">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248302"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248302">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Tim Spindler, C/W MARS</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248303"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248303">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">#info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, BC Libraries Co-op</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248304"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248304">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">#info miker is Mike Rylander, ESI</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248305"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248305">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">#info afterl = Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248306"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248306">14:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248307"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248307">14:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248308"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248308">14:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">#info collum is Garry Collum, KCPL</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248309"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248309">14:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248310"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248310">14:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Thanks everyone</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248311"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248311">14:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">We have a quorum. Before we get into the meeting I’d like to remind everyone that while EOB meetings are held publicly for transparency, the Board should be allowed to attend the agenda and business before the Board without disruption.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248312"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248312">14:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">If the discussion detracts from the Board’s ability to manage the agenda and address the matters before the Board, the chair of the meeting reserves the right to formally recognize speakers according to parliamentary procedure. EOB members will be given precedence in speaking on topics before the Board.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248313"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248313">14:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Minutes/Actions from last meeting</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248314"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248314">14:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link <a href="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-04-21" title="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-04-21">http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-04-21</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248315"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248315">14:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info There is a proposed amendment/clarification to the minutes from the last meeting.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248316"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248316">14:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link <a href="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/attachments/20160517/eee0ae8f/attachment.docx" title="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/attachments/20160517/eee0ae8f/attachment.docx">http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/attachments/20160517/eee0ae8f/attachment.docx</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248317"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248317">14:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">the current motion before the Board is simply shall the Board allow the minutes to include Tanya’s clarification of the brief comments she made at the last meeting.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248318"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248318">14:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info I would like to propose that perhaps we don’t amend the minutes but simply include a note stating that Tanya further clarified her comments via email and link to the EOB thread.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248319"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248319">14:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">The floor is open for board member questions and discussion.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248320"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248320">14:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Who made the motion?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248321"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248321">14:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">There's no motion yet.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248322"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248322">14:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">we're just having a discussion</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248323"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248323">14:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I move that the first amendment be stricken from the record, and the second amendment be included with the meeting notes with an additional link to the EOB list discussion.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248324"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248324">14:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">point of clarification: What record are you suggesting anything needs to be stricken from?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248325"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248325">14:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">I don't think there should be an amendment to the minutes. As has been discussed in the list, the minutes do reflect what was said.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248326"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248326">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">There has, however, been added clarification that could included as an "attachment" to the minutes.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248327"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248327">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">I think a link to the discussion on the list is appropriate</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248328"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248328">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">agree with miker</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248329"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248329">14:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">agreed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248330"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248330">14:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">The discussion on the list is important</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248331"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248331">14:09</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248332"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248332">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur is that your substitue motion?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248333"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248333">14:10</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248334"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248334">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">ok i would move to offer a friendly amendment to terran's motion</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248335"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248335">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree that the list discussion is important, but I also understand that the initial request to amend the minutes was for the purpose of allowing Tanya to clarify her points.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248336"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248336">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">I can't substitute a motion until action has been taken on the first one.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248337"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248337">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">" Used to propose an alternative action to the main motion. Up to one main and</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248338"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248338">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">two substitute motions may be on the floor at one time. "</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248339"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248339">14:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: do I need to reword?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248340"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248340">14:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">terran: do you object to tspindler's friendly amendment?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248341"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248341">14:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, I'm not sure if we're saying the same thing. My proposed motion would be that we amend the minutes to include Tanya's final clarification as an addendum and link the list discussion.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248342"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248342">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Here's what I'm going by: for reference "Substitute motion - Used to propose an alternative action to the main motion. Up to one main and</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248343"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248343">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">two substitute motions may be on the floor at one time. If a substitute motion passes, it does</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248344"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248344">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">away with the prior motions. If it fails, the previous motion comes back up for consideration.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248345"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248345">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree with Ruth, that was the intention of my motion.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248346"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248346">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">i withdraw my friendly amendment then</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248347"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248347">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">terran, is that wording acceptable to you and clear for all?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248348"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248348">14:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Point of clarification: when we say "include" do we mean a link to the email with the document?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248349"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248349">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Or do we mean the actual text?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248350"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248350">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">terran, just so we're clear, you want to alter the minutes to include the body of the clarification document, or replace some content? or, just link to the document</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248351"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248351">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">graced, I think the actual text should be added with clear acknowledgement of the later clarification.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248352"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248352">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">But the minutes should stand as is as well.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248353"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248353">14:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248354"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248354">14:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree with Ruth - the original minutes, followed by the text of the clarification, then a link to the further discussion.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248355"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248355">14:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">with the text treated as an addendum and not a correction to the minutes?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248356"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248356">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes. It's been stated that the original minutes were correct as a record of things said.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248357"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248357">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes, the minutes were correct, so the addendum should reflect that the clarification happened after the meeting.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248358"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248358">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Okay, does someone want to recap that in a motion? :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248359"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248359">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">with the date of the clarification listed, please</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248360"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248360">14:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">we still have terran's original motion on the floor</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248361"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248361">14:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">terran, would you like to withdraw that motion and we'll reword?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248362"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248362">14:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes, I withdraw my original motion - rfrasure, are you rewording?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248363"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248363">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">yeah, looking for the final clarification date.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248364"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248364">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg "><a href="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/thread.html" title="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/thread.html">http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/thread.html</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248365"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248365">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">May 17?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248366"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248366">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Okay, yes.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248367"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248367">14:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes, May 17</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248368"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248368">14:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">I move that the minutes of the April 21 EOB meeting be accepted with the addition of final points of clarification by Tanya Prokrym regarding conference planning made on May 17 as an addendum and that the list discussion be linked in the minutes as well.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248369"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248369">14:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I second</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248370"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248370">14:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">discussion></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248371"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248371">14:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248372"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248372">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Seeing none, I'll call the question</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248373"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248373">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">+1</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248374"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248374">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248375"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248375">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#startvote Shall the Board agree that the minutes of the April 21 EOB meeting be accepted with the addition of final points of clarification by Tanya Prokrym regarding conference planning made on May 17 as an addendum and that the list discussion be linked in the minutes as well? Yes, No, Abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248376"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248376">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree that the minutes of the April 21 EOB meeting be accepted with the addition of final points of clarification by Tanya Prokrym regarding conference planning made on May 17 as an addendum and that the list discussion be linked in the minutes as well? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248377"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248377">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248378"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248378">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248379"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248379">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248380"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248380">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248381"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248381">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248382"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248382">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248383"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248383">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248384"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248384">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248385"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248385">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248386"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248386">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248387"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248387">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248388"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248388">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#endvote</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248389"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248389">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Voted on "Shall the Board agree that the minutes of the April 21 EOB meeting be accepted with the addition of final points of clarification by Tanya Prokrym regarding conference planning made on May 17 as an addendum and that the list discussion be linked in the minutes as well?" Results are</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248390"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248390">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes (6): rfrasur, afterl, rgagnon, collum, terran, sherbertbc</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248391"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248391">14:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Abstain (3): tspindler, graced, miker</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248392"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248392">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#agreed the Board agrees that the minutes of the April 21 EOB meeting be accepted with the addition of final points of clarification by Tanya Prokrym regarding conference planning made on May 17 as an addendum and that the list discussion be linked in the minutes as well.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248393"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248393">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic New Business</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248394"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248394">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Financial Update</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248395"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248395">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link <a href="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_05_19" title="http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_05_19">http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_05_19</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248396"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248396">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info The Project is currently $29,114.80 in the black.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248397"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248397">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info The Ledger is showing that the 2016 is currently $509.86 in the red. Note that there may be some pending payments that have not hit the ledger yet.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248398"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248398">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt: Would you be willing to re-run the financials on June 1 and send them to the EOB list?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248399"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248399">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">graced: yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248400"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248400">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">graced: by payments do you mean income or expenses</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248401"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248401">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">Are the pending payments a significant number?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248402"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248402">14:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#action gmcharlt to run the financials on June 1 and forward to the EOB list</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248403"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248403">14:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">miker: I don't know - I know that Tanya believes the conference will end in the black by several thousand dollars so I assume there is pending income</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248404"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248404">14:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">I will ask the 2016 conference and the SFC for more clarity on outstanding payments and expenses</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248405"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248405">14:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">thanks</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248406"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248406">14:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">that answers my question also</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248408"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248408">14:26</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248409"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248409">14:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">We can crosscheck that with the SFC ledger and make sure everything looks good.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248410"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248410">14:27</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248411"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248411">14:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#action graced to follow up with 2016 conference and SFC for outstanding expenses/payments</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248412"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248412">14:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Any other issues or questions with the financials?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248413"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248413">14:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Hypothetical question.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248415"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248415">14:27</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248416"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248416">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">If the conference (or any conference) ends in the red, is that covered by the Project? Has it happened in the "modern era" (with SFC management)?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248417"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248417">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">So, kinda hypothetical...kinda informational.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248418"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248418">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Conference money is Project money.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248419"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248419">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">If the conference is in the red the Project eats the loss</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248420"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248420">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">K, thought so. Wanted to see it in b/w.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248421"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248421">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">and it has not ever happened to my knowedge</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248422"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248422">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">but we've come close a few times</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248423"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248423">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Okay. Thanks.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248424"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248424">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">anything else?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248425"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248425">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">note, too, in the modern era, we also eat 10% extra</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248426"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248426">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">lol, noted</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248427"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248427">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">but that's a discussion for another day :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248428"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248428">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Conference Committees</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248429"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248429">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Adding members to the EOB standing Conference Committee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248430"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248430">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Are there any EOB volunteers for the standing conference committee?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248431"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248431">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">I would be interested</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248432"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248432">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Who is on the standing committee right now?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248433"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248433">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248434"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248434">14:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I would also be interested.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248435"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248435">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">gracd: I think I already volunteered, yes?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248436"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248436">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Me and Chauncey and Amy</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248437"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248437">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">sorry, graced. Sticky e</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248438"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248438">14:31</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248439"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248439">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">afterl, I think that's correct.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248440"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248440">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Though Chauncey is now part of the local committee so I don't think he can be on both...?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248441"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248441">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">terran++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248442"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248442">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">And he's also not on the EOB anymore. So that's a question..</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248443"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248443">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">We can have committee members that aren't on the EOB</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248444"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248444">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">thank you...answered before asked.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248445"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248445">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">But no, I'd think a local committee member should not also be on the standing committee.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248446"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248446">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info terran and tspindler volunteered to serve on the Conference Committee with afterl and graced</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248447"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248447">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248448"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248448">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">terran++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248449"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248449">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">yes, glad to have you two on board</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248450"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248450">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">indeed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248451"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248451">14:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Conference mailing lists</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248452"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248452">14:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Thank you, I am looking forward to it.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248453"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248453">14:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">Depending on how long the standing committee stands I may have been on it. I was on some committee for the Hood River conference and thought it was that one.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248454"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248454">14:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">YW</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248455"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248455">14:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer: would you like to continue to be on it?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248456"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248456">14:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">If another body would be helpful I can, but if the current count of members is enough I don't know how much value I can add right now.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248457"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248457">14:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">The more the merrier, I say.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248458"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248458">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info JBoyer also volunteered for the conference committee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248459"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248459">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">You've been dragooned!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248460"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248460">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248461"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248461">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">welcome, JBoyer!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248462"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248462">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Are there issues or objections to the idea of the mailing lists as detailed here:</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248463"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248463">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link <a href="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001441.html" title="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001441.html">http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001441.html</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248464"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248464">14:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">I believe I'm supposed to at least find my shilling at the bottom of a beer. Someone will have to see to that later.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248465"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248465">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248466"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248466">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer++ Shillings++ Beer++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248467"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248467">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">okay, okay, back on topic..... :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248468"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248468">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">No objections to those mailing lists?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248469"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248469">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">The lists are a good idea, no objections here</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248470"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248470">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248471"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248471">14:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">It sounded like most people were amenable from the discussion I saw. I know I am.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248472"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248472">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">okay then</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248473"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248473">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#action graced will follow up to have those lists created</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248474"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248474">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">indeed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248475"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248475">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">Yep. I think they are a great idea.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248476"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248476">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Update on the 2017 process.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248477"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248477">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">Sounds good to me.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248478"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248478">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info There was a kickoff call last week with the Host Point of Contact, the SFC rep, and the Conference Committee Chair. The SFC is going to enter negotiations with the selected host venue shortly.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248479"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248479">14:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info The anticipated dates of the 2017 conference will be April 5th-8th, 2017.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248480"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248480">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Questions?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248481"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248481">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">seeing none, we move on</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248482"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248482">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Review and revision of the Rules of Governance</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248483"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248483">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info Community member Elizabeth McKinney specifically requested that the Evergreen Oversight Board undertake a review of the Evergreen Rules of Governance, section 2.8. Conflicts of Interest.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248484"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248484">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler sent copy of the C/W Mars Board’s Conflict of Interest policy as a way to get the conversation started and provide an example of a different policy.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248485"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248485">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#link <a href="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001450.html" title="http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001450.html">http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-May/001450.html</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248486"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248486">14:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248487"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248487">14:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">is it correct to assume that the current rules were cribbed from somewhere else?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248488"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248488">14:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++ #thanks for that; very thoroughly written</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248489"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248489">14:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I have not yet read the C/W Mars document closely, but at first glance it looked like a good basis for us.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248490"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248490">14:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">My biggest question is should this review be expanded to include a review of the whole of the Rules of Governance or should it be limited to the Conflicts of Interest?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248491"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248491">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">It's generally best practice to review Rules of Governance on a regular basis...whether as a whole or bits at a time.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248492"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248492">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler: I think gmcharlt might know the answer</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248493"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248493">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I think it's reasonable to review the entire thing periodically.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248494"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248494">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">I have something to request that may bear on this</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248495"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248495">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #001597" class="nick">* rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg act ">listens to miker</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248496"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248496">14:41</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">Start with Conflict of Interest ...? Then the rest?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248497"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248497">14:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">I'd like to volunteer to catalog the duties and responsibilities of each role and start a plain-English guide, perhaps with examples. My initial thought was that the target audience would be both incoming Board members and the broader community, and the objective would be to help them understand what it is we do, and how we do it, more easily.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248498"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248498">14:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">miker++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248499"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248499">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Well that would certainly be helpful... didn't yboston start something like that?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248500"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248500">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">miker++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248501"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248501">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">if so, I'd be happy to coordinate with him</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248502"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248502">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">miker++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248503"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248503">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">graced, there was definitely discussion of it with yboston</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248504"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248504">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">nice volunteering, miker</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248505"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248505">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">to follow up with terran's comment, it might be worth while to do at least a quick annual review of the by-laws every year (nothing too in depth)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248506"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248506">14:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler: absolutely</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248507"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248507">14:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">now, the reason it bears on full review, I think, is that that work may highlight areas that need polishing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248508"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248508">14:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree with this approach</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248509"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248509">14:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">So, I think there are two things...well, three things...that may be separate things.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248510"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248510">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #006163" class="nick">yboston</td>
<td class="msg ">Sadly I have made no progress on that endeavor</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248511"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248511">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">It seems prudent to form a committee to begin the review process and identify areas of improvement/clarification for the Rules of Governance. Thoughts?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248512"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248512">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: there are many separate things, yes ;)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248514"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248514">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">1. A full review of the by-laws; 2. priority given to (2.8 Conflicts of Interest); and 3 (there might be more) - miker's proposal (that I'm not going to retype)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248515"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248515">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">And then miker has volunteered to work on roles/responsibilites and explaining the EOB role in the Project more clearly?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248516"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248516">14:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">graced: I will volunteer for that, as prep for my plain-English work :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248517"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248517">14:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: yes.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248518"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248518">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">yboston: no worries. if you have thoughts, feel free to throw them at me separately</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248519"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248519">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Though, I'm not certain that priority needs to be given to section 2.8 - there are other areas that need just as much attention.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248520"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248520">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">In that case, I first move that the EOB undertake an annual review of the Rules of Governance.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248521"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248521">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #006163" class="nick">yboston</td>
<td class="msg ">miker: OK</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248522"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248522">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">second rfrasur's motion</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248523"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248523">14:47</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">graced...that's just what I was seeing in the room.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248524"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248524">14:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">point of clarification: could you be more specific in your motion to make it more ... actionable?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248525"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248525">14:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I agree that we should give priority to 2.8</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248526"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248526">14:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">upon completion of the current motion, I would like to request an opportunity to make a couple brief notes regarding the history of the gov rules</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248527"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248527">14:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt: noted, thanks</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248528"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248528">14:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm going to withdraw my motion at this point. I think there needs to be more discussion on the mechanism of the review.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248529"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248529">14:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">okay gmcharlt you have the floor</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248530"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248530">14:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">ok, so this is in response to tspindler's question</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248531"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248531">14:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">the current governance rules are ultimately in effect under the aegis of the fiscal sponsorship agreement with Conservancy</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248532"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248532">14:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">viz, <a href="https://evergreen-ils.org/wp-content/uploads/gov/2012-07-01_evergreen-sponsorship-agreement_signed-by-all_scanned-by-bkuhn.pdf" title="https://evergreen-ils.org/wp-content/uploads/gov/2012-07-01_evergreen-sponsorship-agreement_signed-by-all_scanned-by-bkuhn.pdf">https://evergreen-ils.org/wp-content/uploads/gov/2012-07-01_evergreen-sponsorship-agreement_signed-by-all_scanned-by-bkuhn.pdf</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248533"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248533">14:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">under those rules, the EOB publishes its governance structure and can modify it by majority vote</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248534"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248534">14:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">with the proviso that Conservancy must consent</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248535"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248535">14:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">(that consent not to be unreasonable withheld)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248536"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248536">14:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">the authoritative version of the rules (at least from Conservancy's and the fiscal sponsorship agreement's POV) are to be found in the governance Git repository: <a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=summary" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=summary">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=summary</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248537"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248537">14:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">the current version of the rules were drafted with some input by Conservancy</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248538"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248538">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">but the specifical historical details -- I'd have to go through email archives to refresh my memory</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248539"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248539">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">suffice it to say, while EOB has a fair amount of leeway to amend rules as it sees fit, they ultimately have to be reviewed by Conservancy</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248540"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248540">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">So, if I'm understanding correctly, we can vote on whatever, but SFC has some level of veto power.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248541"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248541">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++ thanks for the background</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248542"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248542">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt: that answers my question, i was mainly looking for background</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248543"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248543">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">who, in turn, have done some policy work of their own, and could be a potential resource</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248544"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248544">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248545"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248545">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">*whew*</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248546"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248546">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">Thank you, Galen.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248547"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248547">14:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248548"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248548">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248549"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248549">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++ #thank you</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248550"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248550">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248551"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248551">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">gmcharlt++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248552"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248552">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">right. back to the matter at hand.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248553"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248553">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Is there any interest in forming a committee to do the first pass of a review of the Rules of Governance to identify areas for improvement?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248554"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248554">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">So, as far as a mechanism goes, should there be a subcommittee?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248555"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248555">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">jinx</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248556"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248556">14:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">hah! Yes, graced</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248557"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248557">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">graced: I think it should be a subcommittee, yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248558"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248558">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Any dissent on that point?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248559"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248559">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I think it's a good idea.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248560"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248560">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">I think a subcommittee could be tasked with looking at multiple examples of conflict of interest policy and a quicker review of the remaining bylaws</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248561"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248561">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">exactly tspindler</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248562"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248562">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">agree tspindler</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248563"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248563">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248564"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248564">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248565"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248565">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #00071c" class="nick">* miker</td>
<td class="msg act ">pre-volunteers</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248566"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248566">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #001597" class="nick">* rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg act ">volunteers also</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248567"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248567">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Also, we have such great experince here - rgagnon, I'm looking at you</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248568"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248568">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">I also volunteer</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248569"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248569">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">Sure, I will volunteer</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248570"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248570">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">i would volunteer also</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248571"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248571">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">Me too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248572"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248572">14:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Okay, let have a quick vote on forming the committee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248573"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248573">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Do we need a motion? If so, I motion that a subcommittee form to review the Rules of Governance.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248574"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248574">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">I second the motion</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248575"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248575">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">or "be formed"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248576"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248576">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">I call the question</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248577"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248577">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #3d000b" class="nick">emckinney_</td>
<td class="msg ">I would like to volunteer Galen, Amy and myself as consultants from the Board that drafted the original Rules of Governance.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248578"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248578">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: I like "form" ... thinking Voltron</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248579"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248579">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#startvote Shall the Board agree that a committee will be created to review the Rules of Governance and identify areas of improvement/clarification? Yes, No, Abstain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248580"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248580">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree that a committee will be created to review the Rules of Governance and identify areas of improvement/clarification? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248581"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248581">14:58</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248582"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248582">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248583"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248583">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248584"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248584">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248585"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248585">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248586"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248586">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248587"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248587">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">miker - vehicles or cats?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248588"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248588">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248589"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248589">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248590"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248590">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248591"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248591">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248592"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248592">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#endvote</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248593"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248593">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Voted on "Shall the Board agree that a committee will be created to review the Rules of Governance and identify areas of improvement/clarification?" Results are</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248594"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248594">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes (9): tspindler, rfrasur, miker, rgagnon, graced, collum, afterl, terran, sherbertbc</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248595"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248595">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#agreed A committee will be created to review the Rules of Governance and identify areas of improvement/clarification.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248596"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248596">15:00</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg "># info rgagnon, terran, miker, rfrasur, tspindler, collum volunteered for the committee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248597"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248597">15:00</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Did I miss anyone?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248598"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248598">15:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#info rgagnon, terran, miker, rfrasur, tspindler and collum volunteered for the committee to review the Rules of Governance.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248599"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248599">15:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">^modified for specificity in the meeting notes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248600"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248600">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">moving on in the interest of getting done in a timely fashion</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248601"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248601">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Outreach Committee Business</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248602"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248602">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248603"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248603">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC and Evergreen Outreach Committee</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248604"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248604">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">#info The Outreach Committee is requesting that the Oversight Board authorize the committee to expend $400 on new Evergreen pens.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248605"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248605">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">We're running low on pens, and we would like to hand them out at the ALA Evergreen meeting in Orlando next month.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248606"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248606">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">That is all.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248607"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248607">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">Move we fund the pens to a tune of $400</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248608"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248608">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">I second it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248609"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248609">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">discussion?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248610"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248610">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">they're great pens!</td>
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<tr id="id_l549" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248611"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248611">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">they are</td>
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<tr id="id_l550" class="new nick nick_miker">
<td class="time" id="i_248612"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248612">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">they're the best pens, I tell you</td>
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<tr id="id_l551" class="new nick nick_rfrasur dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248613"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248613">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #001597" class="nick">* rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg act ">doesn't have one. Yet.</td>
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<tr id="id_l552" class="new nick nick_rfrasur">
<td class="time" id="i_248614"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248614">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">:-(</td>
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<tr id="id_l553" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248615"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248615">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">okay, hearing no questions...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248616"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248616">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#startvote Shall the Board agree to expend $400 for Evergreen pens to be given away at library conferences to promote the Evergreen software and community? Yes, No, Abstain</td>
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<tr id="id_l555" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248617"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248617">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to expend $400 for Evergreen pens to be given away at library conferences to promote the Evergreen software and community? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.</td>
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<tr id="id_l556" class="cont nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248618"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248618">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.</td>
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<tr id="id_l557" class="new nick nick_sherbertbc dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248619"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248619">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l558" class="new nick nick_tspindler">
<td class="time" id="i_248620"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248620">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l559" class="new nick nick_rfrasur dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248621"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248621">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l560" class="new nick nick_graced">
<td class="time" id="i_248622"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248622">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l561" class="new nick nick_afterl dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248623"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248623">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l562" class="new nick nick_miker">
<td class="time" id="i_248624"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248624">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l563" class="new nick nick_terran dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248625"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248625">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l564" class="new nick nick_collum">
<td class="time" id="i_248626"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248626">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l565" class="new nick nick_rgagnon dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248627"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248627">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #002a63" class="nick">rgagnon</td>
<td class="msg ">#vote yes</td>
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<tr id="id_l566" class="new nick nick_graced">
<td class="time" id="i_248628"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248628">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#endvote</td>
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<tr id="id_l567" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248629"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248629">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Voted on "Shall the Board agree to expend $400 for Evergreen pens to be given away at library conferences to promote the Evergreen software and community?" Results are</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248630"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248630">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Yes (9): tspindler, rfrasur, miker, rgagnon, graced, collum, afterl, terran, sherbertbc</td>
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<tr id="id_l569" class="new nick nick_kmlussier">
<td class="time" id="i_248631"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248631">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">rfrasur: We handed them out at the panel you participated it last month!</td>
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<tr id="id_l570" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248632"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248632">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#agreed The Board approves the expenditure of $400 for Evergreen pens to be used by the Outreach Committee to promote Evergreen.</td>
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<tr id="id_l571" class="new nick nick_kmlussier">
<td class="time" id="i_248633"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248633">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Thank you EOB!</td>
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<tr id="id_l572" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248634"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248634">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier++</td>
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<tr id="id_l573" class="new nick nick_rfrasur">
<td class="time" id="i_248635"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248635">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">Well...I didn't take one, lol.</td>
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<tr id="id_l574" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248636"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248636">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#topic Release Manager's Report</td>
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<tr id="id_l575" class="cont nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248637"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248637">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">miker? Anything to report?</td>
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<tr id="id_l576" class="new nick nick_terran">
<td class="time" id="i_248638"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248638">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier++ (also, I will be at ALA, so I'll be happy to spend some time at the booth)</td>
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<tr id="id_l577" class="new nick nick_miker dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248639"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248639">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">I can keep this short: I'll be herding my cats and announcing a tentative schedule within the next week</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248640"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248640">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">there's no booth at ALA for the Project this year</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248641"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248641">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">terran: No booth this year, but I may tap you for help in our meeting.</td>
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<tr id="id_l580" class="new nick nick_terran">
<td class="time" id="i_248642"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248642">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: sure thing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248643"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248643">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">okay, thanks miker</td>
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<tr id="id_l582" class="cont nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248644"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248644">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Is there any other new business?</td>
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<tr id="id_l583" class="cont nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248645"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248645">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Seeing none... I am sticking a fork in this one.</td>
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<tr id="id_l584" class="cont nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248646"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248646">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">Thanks everyone!</td>
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<tr id="id_l585" class="cont nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248647"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248647">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">#endmeeting</td>
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<tr id="id_l586" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248648"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248648">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Meeting ended Thu May 19 15:07:32 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at <a href="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot" title="http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot">http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot</a> . (v 0.1.4)</td>
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<tr id="id_l587" class="cont nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248649"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248649">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Minutes: <a href="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.html" title="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.html">http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.html</a></td>
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<tr id="id_l588" class="cont nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248650"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248650">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Minutes (text): <a href="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.txt" title="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.txt">http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.txt</a></td>
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<tr id="id_l589" class="cont nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248651"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248651">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Log: <a href="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.log.html" title="http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.log.html">http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-05-19-14.01.log.html</a></td>
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<tr id="id_l590" class="new nick nick_miker dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248652"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248652">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l591" class="new nick nick_graced">
<td class="time" id="i_248653"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248653">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">See you next month!</td>
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<tr id="id_l592" class="new nick nick_tspindler dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248654"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248654">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l593" class="new nick nick_rfrasur">
<td class="time" id="i_248655"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248655">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #00646e" class="nick">rfrasur</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l594" class="new nick nick_collum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248656"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248656">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l595" class="new nick nick_sherbertbc">
<td class="time" id="i_248657"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248657">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #000012" class="nick">sherbertbc</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l596" class="new nick nick_kmlussier dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248658"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248658">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">graced++</td>
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<tr id="id_l597" class="new nick nick_terran">
<td class="time" id="i_248659"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248659">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #00aa04" class="nick">terran</td>
<td class="msg ">ciao!</td>
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<tr id="id_l598" class="new nick nick_graced dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248660"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248660">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #c09900" class="nick">graced</td>
<td class="msg ">y'all++</td>
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<tr id="id_l599" class="new nick nick_tspindler">
<td class="time" id="i_248661"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248661">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #0800b8" class="nick">tspindler</td>
<td class="msg ">au revoir</td>
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<tr id="id_l600" class="new nick nick_afterl dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248662"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248662">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #000069" class="nick">afterl</td>
<td class="msg ">bye!</td>
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<tr id="id_l601" class="new special">
<td class="time" id="i_248663"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248663">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #ad7900" class="nick"></td>
<td class="msg ">emckinney_ left #evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248664"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248664">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: I'll take another look at bug 957466. I ran the tests before merging the code, and I swear they completed successfully at the time.</td>
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<tr id="id_l603" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_248665"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248665">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 957466 in Evergreen "overlaying a record from vandelay does not update editor/edit_date" [Medium,Fix released] <a href="https://launchpad.net/bugs/957466" title="https://launchpad.net/bugs/957466">https://launchpad.net/bugs/957466</a></td>
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<tr id="id_l604" class="new nick nick_kmlussier dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248666"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248666">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: Oh, wait. That's not the same test, is it?</td>
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<tr id="id_l605" class="new special">
<td class="time" id="i_248667"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248667">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #ad7900" class="nick"></td>
<td class="msg ">ethomsen left #evergreen</td>
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<tr id="id_l606" class="new nick nick_phasefx dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248668"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248668">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #007f88" class="nick">phasefx</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: nope!</td>
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<tr id="id_l607" class="new nick nick_kmlussier">
<td class="time" id="i_248669"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248669">15:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier-- #Not running ALL the tests</td>
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<tr id="id_l608" class="new nick nick_phasefx dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248670"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248670">15:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #007f88" class="nick">phasefx</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx-- not fixing the RSS feed</td>
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<tr id="id_l609" class="new nick nick_kmlussier">
<td class="time" id="i_248671"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248671">15:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Today might be a good day to learn how to modify tests. Too bad I have a conference call.</td>
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<tr id="id_l610" class="new nick nick_Dyrcona dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248672"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248672">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: Something new is breaking the tests on something old.</td>
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<tr id="id_l611" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_248673"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248673">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">phasefx: Nah, it's not your fault. I was noticing that too :(</td>
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<tr id="id_l612" class="new special dark">
<td class="time" id="i_248674"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248674">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #ad7900" class="nick"></td>
<td class="msg ">tspindler left #evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248675"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248675">15:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Dyrcona: Yeah, I know. It's the code I merged.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248676"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248676">15:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #7d008d" class="nick">Dyrcona</td>
<td class="msg ">OIC.</td>
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<tr id="id_l615" class="new nick nick_kmlussier">
<td class="time" id="i_248677"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248677">15:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">I would like to take a stab at fixing that one. It looks doable.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248678"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248678">15:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #7f6f00" class="nick">* kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg act ">will take a look at it shortly.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248679"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248679">15:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">Evergreen docs recommend that you create and use a PostgreSQL super user -- but are there any things that we currently do in Evergreen that require a superuser?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248680"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248680">15:29</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248681"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248681">15:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #275d36" class="nick">gmcharlt</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: gut reaction - nothing that we couldn't do with a more limited user; just a matter of taking the time to iterate testing and tweaking permissions</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248682"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248682">15:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #71000f" class="nick">* jeff</td>
<td class="msg act ">nods</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248683"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248683">15:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">roles and ownership become more important, eg_db_config and database upgrade scripts might still require running as a superuser or database owner or otherwise elevated role...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248684"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248684">16:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #5f6000" class="nick">* mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg act ">will master sharing google docs one day :-/</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248685"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248685">16:06</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">miker: Think I got that right, now.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248686"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248686">16:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: heh, thanks!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248687"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248687">16:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">I can see it!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248688"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248688">16:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer++ gmcharlt++ miker++ for PostgreSQL application_name support</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248689"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248689">16:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #14000e" class="nick">miker</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: makes killing things safer, eh? ;)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248690"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248690">16:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff++ # I wasn't sure anyone would ever care but me. :D</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248691"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248691">16:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer: I'm guessing that you found it useful for pgbadger and friends?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248692"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248692">16:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">miker: haven't gotten to that point of need yet, but yes -- i'm sure it does. :-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248693"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248693">16:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">You bet. It will surprise no one that cstore is about 80% of queries, followed by storage at ~17%, and then "the rest"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248694"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248694">16:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">JBoyer: are you using csv logs with pgbadger?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248695"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248695">16:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">No, syslog. I use a different format specifier for the database logs to keep pgbadger happy. It doesn't like the date format we use in the example rsyslog config.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248696"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248696">16:21</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248697"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248697">16:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">any particular reason for opting to use syslog, or was it just a matter of already having that infrastructure in place already and not wanting to ship something else around for pgbadger?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248698"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248698">16:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: Looking at your screenshots. Were you searching the same branch in each test and, if logged in, logged in as the same user with the same preferred search library set?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248699"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248699">16:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: I was not logged in at all. Searching the whole consortium, no preferred library.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248700"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248700">16:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">Huh...I like the after shot better. It seems odd that the first screenshot breaks up the Beverly Main branch the way it does. I wouldn't have expected it to behave that way.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248701"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248701">16:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">I didn't either. I agree the after shot looks better.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248702"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248702">16:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">they were already being collected centrally, this way all I had to do was set up a cron job to pull them down and parse them all.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248703"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248703">16:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #357843" class="nick">JBoyer</td>
<td class="msg ">It's very rare, but I occasionally poke about in them in vi looking for things, I'd rather read syslog logs than CSV. :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248704"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248704">16:31</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248705"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248705">16:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: On the other hand, I wouldn't have expected Beverly Farms to come before Beverly Bookmobile since I thought there was some OU level sorting in there.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248706"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248706">16:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: Farms and Bookmobile are at the same level, Main, too, for that matter. I was surprised that Farms floated up, too. I would have expected an alphabetical thing to be going on.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248707"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248707">16:36</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248708"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248708">16:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">mmorgan: Remind me...how does Evergreen work again? ;)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248709"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248709">16:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #00b65f" class="nick">mmorgan</td>
<td class="msg ">kmlussier: Am I supposed to know that? ;-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248710"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248710">16:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #7f6f00" class="nick">* kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg act ">doesn't want to be quick to discount miker's copy bucket idea, but doesn't have the tuits to think about it at the moment.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248711"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248711">16:56</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248713"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248713">17:24</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248714"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248714">17:45</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248715"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248715">17:51</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248716"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248716">17:55</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248717"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248717">19:44</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248718"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248718">21:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">rhamby++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248719"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248719">21:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">For the mac client build :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248720"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248720">22:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">berick++ # latest patches look good, xenial looks good, I'm testing trusty next</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248721"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248721">22:54</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248722"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248722">22:56</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248723"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248723">23:16</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248724"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248724">23:18</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248725"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248725">23:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Well isn't that interesting...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248726"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248726">23:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Fresh OpenSRF/Evergreen install on Ubuntu Trusty (14.04) and it dies cause mod perl isn't enabled for apache</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248727"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248727">23:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">We might need <a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964795df73053d09dca37e62e3e276ce343e" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964795df73053d09dca37e62e3e276ce343e">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964795df73053d09dca37e62e3e276ce343e</a> for Trusty too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248728"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248728">23:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: [opensrf|Jason Stephenson] LP<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1551090">#1551090</a>: Enable mod_perl2 on Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus). - <<a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248729"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248729">23:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">They must be changing something with apache 2.4 somewhere.... hmm</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248730"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248730">23:51</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">will wait to merge cause he's seeing oddness with his 14.04 VMs</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248731"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248731">23:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I built it twice now, and each time I get a server that's having trouble with request timeouts</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248732"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248732">23:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">cstore issues</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248733"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248733">23:53</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">And ejabberd pain</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248734"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248734">23:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Peculiar</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248735"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248735">23:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I raised ejabberd's max_stanza_size from 200000 to 2000000 (x10) and now things are working faster and better on my 14.04 VM</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248736"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248736">23:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">For the webstaff anyways</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248737"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248737">23:57</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Super strange</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248738"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248738">23:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">@later tell Dyrcona Curious to see what you see on a fresh 14.04 VM later.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_248739"><a href="/evergreen/2016-05-19#i_248739">23:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: The operation succeeded.</td>
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