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<td class="time" id="i_137340"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137340">00:39</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137341"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137341">02:15</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137342"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137342">02:38</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137343"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137343">04:54</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Incoming from qatests: Test Success - <a href="http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html" title="http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html">http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html</a> <<a href="http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html" title="http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html">http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137345"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137345">06:35</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137347"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137347">06:48</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137348"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137348">07:39</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137350"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137350">08:09</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137351"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137351">08:18</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137352"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137352">08:28</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137353"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137353">08:48</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137354"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137354">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm getting this error now when running a script that generates files for Unique Management Services: <a href="http://pastie.org/9711725" title="http://pastie.org/9711725">http://pastie.org/9711725</a> - anyone know why that is? Is opensrf timing out or something?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137355"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137355">08:55</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">yes</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137356"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137356">08:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">oops - "yes" was meant for another window ;-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137357"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137357">09:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137358"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137358">09:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #719725" class="nick">remingtron</td>
<td class="msg ">super old bug 921142 (heat 44!) ready for testing/pushing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137359"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137359">09:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">Launchpad bug 921142 in Evergreen 2.4 "Fixed fields are required to have all positions entered. " (affected: 6, heat: 44) [Medium,Confirmed] <a href="https://launchpad.net/bugs/921142" title="https://launchpad.net/bugs/921142">https://launchpad.net/bugs/921142</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137360"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137360">09:22</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137361"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137361">09:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">next time, on "this old bug"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137362"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137362">09:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #719725" class="nick">remingtron</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: justice will finally be served</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137363"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137363">09:42</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137364"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137364">09:52</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137367"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137367">09:52</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137368"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137368">09:54</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137370"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137370">09:56</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137371"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137371">10:44</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137373"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137373">10:56</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137374"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137374">10:59</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137375"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137375">11:02</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137376"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137376">12:41</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137377"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137377">12:43</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137378"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137378">13:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">did anyone ever mirror the old SVN repo site? I'm wondering if some old PINES development is still recoverable</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137379"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137379">13:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">specifically, I'm looking for the bad debt interface that was briefly alive on our test server c. 2009</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137380"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137380">13:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Yeah I think MVLC has a mirror of the SVN</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137381"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137381">13:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or a converted git copy anyways</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137382"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137382">13:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But I'm not sure</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137383"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137383">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg "><a href="http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=Evergreen/ILS-Contrib.git;a=summary" title="http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=Evergreen/ILS-Contrib.git;a=summary">http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=Evergreen/ILS-Contrib.git;a=summary</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137384"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137384">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, right now I'm trying to see if I can just add a /baddebt location to eg_vhost.conf</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137385"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137385">13:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Maybe in there?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137386"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137386">13:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum++ # that's what I was looking for, but I don't think it's there</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137387"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137387">13:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Doesn't seem to be :(</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137388"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137388">13:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm pretty sure I just need to somehow access OpenILS::WWW::BadDebt from eg_vhost.conf</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137389"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137389">13:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm getting a 403 though when I try to access it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137390"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137390">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">had never even heard of "BadDebt" before</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137391"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137391">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">yeah - long story</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137392"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137392">13:34</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">it's a PINES request from many a long year ago</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137393"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137393">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">the director who requested it is long gone, but there are several libraries that still want something to mark their unrecovered debt via Evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137394"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137394">13:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">and if I can do some necromancy, I'd like to let the libraries who want to use that rather than have me do it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137395"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137395">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: you just need the web proxy in front of that location. a la notices or reports. it checks the ses cookie</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137396"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137396">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Sounds... like an adventure.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137397"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137397">13:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">eeevil: ok cool - thanks for the hint</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137398"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137398">13:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: you're getting a 403 because there's no cookie (or param) for it to look at</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137399"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137399">13:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">ah - gotcha</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137400"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137400">13:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">and the user that goes there needs the "MARK_BAD_DEBT" permission</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137401"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137401">13:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">thanks</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137402"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137402">13:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">hmm - login worked, but I'm not getting a 404 :-/</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137403"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137403">13:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">eeevil: would you mind glancing at this?: <a href="http://pastie.org/9712384" title="http://pastie.org/9712384">http://pastie.org/9712384</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137404"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137404">13:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I'm sure I just have a simple config option wrong</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137405"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137405">13:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">and I'm doing copy paste coding right now without really knowing the knobs and switches for apache/mod_perl</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137406"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137406">13:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: that looks fine</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137407"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137407">13:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">ok thanks</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137408"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137408">13:56</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137409"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137409">14:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">ah - that's interesting - no interface loads, but if I add anything to the url (e.g. <a href="https://test-brick01-head/baddebt/test)" title="https://test-brick01-head/baddebt/test)">https://test-brick01-head/baddebt/test)</a>, I get a downloaded CSV file that says Upload Failure</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137410"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137410">14:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I don't understand enough about perl/CGI to know how to get the show_template subroutine to work</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137411"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137411">14:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">okay, so I can see that it at least is running the handler subroutine, but I don't see where show_template is invoked in that</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137412"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137412">14:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: it seems it's not. <a href="http://pastie.org/9712488" title="http://pastie.org/9712488">http://pastie.org/9712488</a> should do it. I'll look at the git history right quick</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137413"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137413">14:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">eeevil++ # that did it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137414"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137414">14:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">cool. if you bug it I'll toss up a branch, eh?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137415"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137415">14:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">sure thing</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137416"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137416">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, after I figure out why my test.csv file resulted in "Upload Failure" ;-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137417"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137417">14:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">ah - yeah, we're suffering bitrot here: Method [open-ils.cstore.direct.money.billable_xact.retrieve] not found for service open-ils.cstore</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137418"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137418">14:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I'll look into it, now that I've got the scent ;-)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137419"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137419">14:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">downtrodden and bitrotten</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137420"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137420">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">ah, well, that'd be ungood to continue using in any case. it needs to be moved to pcrud re "no more private services in mod_perl" (but that's a broader project which will likely include IDL changes)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137421"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137421">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">oh - ok</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137422"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137422">14:32</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, I'm happy to help do it the Right Way™ too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137423"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137423">14:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #006b95" class="nick">eeevil</td>
<td class="msg ">:)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137424"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137424">14:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">wishes he had kept quiet now instead of opening his big mouth</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137425"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137425">14:48</a></td>
<td style="color: #009034" class="nick">* csharp</td>
<td class="msg act ">would be curious if Jennifer Walz's admin user actually has the superuser flag</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137426"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137426">14:49</a></td>
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<td class="msg ">remingtron joined #evergreen</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137427"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137427">14:49</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, the last guy has muddied the water with w3 validation... valid (ha!) point, but not the cause of the current problem</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137428"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137428">14:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Indeed.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137429"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137429">14:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #009034" class="nick">* csharp</td>
<td class="msg act ">assumes that Asbury is self-administered</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137431"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137431">14:50</a></td>
<td style="color: #001c85" class="nick">* graced</td>
<td class="msg act ">assumes the same</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137432"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137432">14:52</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Indeed.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137433"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137433">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">@praise 2 csharp</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137434"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137434">14:56</a></td>
<td style="color: #bf00b3" class="nick">* pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg act ">csharp is kind and patient to newbies</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137435"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137435">14:58</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137436"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137436">14:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">heh</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137437"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137437">15:00</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, the only permission from the listed fieldmapper entries that seems to matter is "VIEW_USER"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137438"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137438">15:00</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">There's stuff for stat cat and surveys too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137439"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137439">15:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Anywho</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137440"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137440">15:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">dojo--</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137441"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137441">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Just 'cause it's rusty and annoying</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137442"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137442">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">right - it might be something as simple as VIEW_SURVEY (or whatever) not being assigned to the users that need it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137443"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137443">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">and from her tone, they're in panic mode</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137444"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137444">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@karma dojo</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137445"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137445">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Karma for "dojo" has been increased 3 times and decreased 8 times for a total karma of -5.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137446"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137446">15:02</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, who wouldn't be in panic if you couldn't edit any of your users or view them :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137447"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137447">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">right</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137448"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137448">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But yeah, it could be a peripheral permission</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137449"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137449">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Checking the superuser is a good step though</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137450"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137450">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Just to be sure it's not actual page breakage</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137451"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137451">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, the panic is from "holy sh*t! I don't have any idea how to do this and I'm the only one who can help"</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137452"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137452">15:03</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Maybe they didn't install from a tarball and don't have dojo installed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137453"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137453">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #009034" class="nick">* csharp</td>
<td class="msg act ">has been there many times, so knows that there's light at the end of the tunnel</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137454"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137454">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Though I think it manifests more unhappily when that occurs</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137455"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137455">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">that occurred to me to (no dojo), but I don't think you can even register a workstation without it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137456"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137456">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I think you're right</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137457"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137457">15:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">Maybe it's not our specially tweaked version of dojo?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137458"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137458">15:05</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Hmmm</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137459"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137459">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">[evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1198465">#1198465</a> Allow fine generator to respect a stop_fines filter - <<a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e1fdcd3" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e1fdcd3">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e1fdcd3</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137460"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137460">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP<a href="https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1198465">#1198465</a> lost overdues generated in main xact - <<a href="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d2a521c" title="http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d2a521c">http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d2a521c</a>></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137461"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137461">15:07</a></td>
<td style="color: #009034" class="nick">* csharp</td>
<td class="msg act ">tried to run the staff client with xulrunner 32 yesterday - got nowhere, but it sure looked purty</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137462"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137462">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: I really liked xulrunner 17 or 18 (one of those) when I toyed with it during the memory leak crisis. It blew up after a bit of use though...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137463"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137463">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Sometimes I still think xulrunner 15 might not have been a bad idea</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137464"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137464">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">I feel like we've seen the exact thing Jennifer posted to the discussion list, but can't for the life of me remember what it was.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137465"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137465">15:08</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Since the hump between Firefox 14 and 15 contained memory adjustments.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137466"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137466">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: we should get really mad and fork Evergreen (ala MATE and KDE Trinity) just to keep using the staff client</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137467"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137467">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">does NOT love XUL that much.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137468"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137468">15:09</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I keed, I keed</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137469"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137469">15:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">Evergreen Classic™</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137470"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137470">15:10</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">hopkinsju: autogen.sh ?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137471"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137471">15:11</a></td>
<td style="color: #800064" class="nick">* dbs</td>
<td class="msg act ">grasping at straws.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137472"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137472">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Maybe it's the permission levels. Like they have VIEW_USER but it's set for Library and the user belongs to a different org unit?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137473"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137473">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">Hmm, possible</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137474"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137474">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">dbs: haha. Might have been. I'm currently searching our help desk system.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137475"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137475">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">And it ought to be VIEW_USER for consortium level?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137476"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137476">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or system, at least</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137477"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137477">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">perms are such a mystery unless you can grep source code and properly interpret the output</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137478"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137478">15:12</a></td>
<td style="color: #670052" class="nick">collum</td>
<td class="msg ">hopkinsju: ditto. I want to say it was permissions, but it was a couple of years ago.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137479"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137479">15:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #009034" class="nick">* csharp</td>
<td class="msg act ">'s money is still on permissions</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137480"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137480">15:13</a></td>
<td style="color: #800064" class="nick">* dbs</td>
<td class="msg act ">thinks csharp is probably a smart gambler</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137481"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137481">15:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">boy howdy our error handling could be better in that situation though. Maybe somebody could pay a vendor to fix that. For however long the dojo crud continues to exist.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137482"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137482">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">+1</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137483"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137483">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@who will pay a vendor to do that?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137484"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137484">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">berick will pay a vendor to do that.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137485"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137485">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">heh</td>
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<tr id="id_l140" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137486"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137486">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">w00t. I like this new way of seeking funding.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137487"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137487">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 6d</td>
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<tr id="id_l142" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137488"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137488">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137489"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137489">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice d6</td>
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<tr id="id_l144" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137490"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137490">15:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: Error: Dice must be of the form <dice>d<sides></td>
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<tr id="id_l145" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137491"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137491">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 2d6</td>
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<tr id="id_l146" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137492"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137492">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: 6 and 5</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137493"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137493">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 1d20</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137494"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137494">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: 5</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137495"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137495">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Swing and a miss :(</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137496"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137496">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">dbs: not a great gambler - can't even throw @dice properly!</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137497"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137497">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">So fancy, is it better to roll a d100 or 2d10?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137498"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137498">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I think there's a limit</td>
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<tr id="id_l153" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju">
<td class="time" id="i_137499"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137499">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 2d10</td>
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<tr id="id_l154" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137500"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137500">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">hopkinsju: 10 and 7</td>
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<tr id="id_l155" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137501"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137501">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 1d100</td>
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<tr id="id_l156" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137502"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137502">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">@dice 1d2000</td>
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<tr id="id_l157" class="new nick nick_pinesol_green">
<td class="time" id="i_137503"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137503">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: 34</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137504"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137504">15:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #bb004d" class="nick">pinesol_green</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: Error: Dice can't have more than 100 sides.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137505"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137505">15:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">:)</td>
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<tr id="id_l160" class="cont nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137506"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137506">15:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">There's your limit</td>
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<tr id="id_l161" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137507"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137507">15:17</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">ah - there's the limit</td>
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<tr id="id_l162" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137508"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137508">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Speaking of memory, did we ever figure out how to limit the spread of plugins so that they weren't shared/enabled/turned-on between Firefox and Evergreen staff client?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137509"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137509">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">can't remember now and it's going to drive me nuts</td>
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<tr id="id_l164" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137510"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137510">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">As in launching evergreen loads up the flash plugin?</td>
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<tr id="id_l165" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137511"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137511">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">hopkinsju: Correct</td>
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<tr id="id_l166" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137512"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137512">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It did at some point</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137513"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137513">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #000307" class="nick">* hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg act ">lols</td>
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<tr id="id_l168" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137514"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137514">15:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I just don't remember if it still does</td>
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<tr id="id_l169" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137515"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137515">15:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It's especially bad if you have a lot of plugins</td>
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<tr id="id_l170" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137516"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137516">15:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">For memory reasons</td>
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<tr id="id_l171" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137517"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137517">15:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">Yeah, no kidding</td>
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<tr id="id_l172" class="new nick nick_dbs">
<td class="time" id="i_137518"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137518">15:20</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">Everyone needs a little Zotero in their staff client</td>
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<tr id="id_l173" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137519"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137519">15:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Yeah I guess it's still doing some of that cross share</td>
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<tr id="id_l174" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137520"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137520">15:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">huh - I wonder if that's a factor in some of our "some libraries are reporting memory issues when others never do" issue</td>
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<tr id="id_l175" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137521"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137521">15:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">Pssh. More like Google Earth</td>
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<tr id="id_l176" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137522"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137522">15:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">If my client is any indication</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137523"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137523">15:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: mebbe!</td>
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<tr id="id_l178" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137524"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137524">15:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I have a crazy ticket in from one of our libraries where the production client is auto-updating itself to the test client version</td>
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<tr id="id_l179" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137525"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137525">15:22</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I think there are some fun color/font addons you can use from Firefox to make your staff client more interesting looking :)</td>
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<tr id="id_l180" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137526"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137526">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">they swear that they aren't caching anything, but it's happening now when the test server is completely down</td>
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<tr id="id_l181" class="new nick nick_dbs dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137527"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137527">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #100090" class="nick">dbs</td>
<td class="msg ">"evergreen -ProfileManager" to create a new profile maybe</td>
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<tr id="id_l182" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137528"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137528">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">It could be a bad upgrade path</td>
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<tr id="id_l183" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137529"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137529">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or cross-shared hostname/versions between your test and production environments.</td>
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<tr id="id_l184" class="new nick nick_csharp dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137530"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137530">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I've tried to recreate the issue with no success</td>
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<tr id="id_l185" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137531"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137531">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Like go to the test server to get your updates</td>
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<tr id="id_l186" class="new nick nick_hopkinsju dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137532"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137532">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #1a9177" class="nick">hopkinsju</td>
<td class="msg ">Do you have the test client build on the production server by mistake?</td>
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<tr id="id_l187" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137533"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137533">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">autoupdate host on the production clients is next.gapines.org... oh</td>
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<tr id="id_l188" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137534"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137534">15:23</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or like the test server client was installed with the same path as production</td>
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<tr id="id_l189" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137535"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137535">15:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">s/production clients/test clients/g</td>
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<tr id="id_l190" class="cont nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137536"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137536">15:24</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I wonder if they've been using test clients from last year's upgrade with the next.gapines.org path this whole time</td>
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<tr id="id_l191" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137537"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137537">15:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Could be</td>
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<tr id="id_l192" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137538"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137538">15:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">huh - that's a distinct possibility</td>
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<tr id="id_l193" class="cont nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137539"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137539">15:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I only have random screenshots</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137540"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137540">15:25</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">loves the time that a library was using the test server hostname as production for a few days before we noticed things seemed... wrong.</td>
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<tr id="id_l195" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137541"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137541">15:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">OMG, that's happened to us too</td>
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<tr id="id_l196" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137542"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137542">15:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">That's why I have completely different stamping now for our test group and production groups.</td>
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<tr id="id_l197" class="new nick nick_csharp">
<td class="time" id="i_137543"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137543">15:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">I thought about that, but I didn't want to create a stumbling block for testing</td>
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<tr id="id_l198" class="new nick nick_bshum dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137544"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137544">15:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #483800" class="nick">* bshum</td>
<td class="msg act ">wants more Evergreen staff client logo colors.</td>
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<tr id="id_l199" class="new nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137545"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137545">15:26</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Red and orange/yellow aren't enough!</td>
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<tr id="id_l200" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137546"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137546">15:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But yeah</td>
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<tr id="id_l201" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137547"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137547">15:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I use rigbeta for my test server clients</td>
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<tr id="id_l202" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137548"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137548">15:27</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">And rigrelease for my regular production ones</td>
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<tr id="id_l203" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137549"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137549">15:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">So any red icon'd staff client for us is a test one</td>
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<tr id="id_l204" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137550"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137550">15:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">And orange/yellow = production</td>
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<tr id="id_l205" class="cont nick nick_bshum">
<td class="time" id="i_137551"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137551">15:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But as you say, we don't have nearly as much end-user library testing as we'd perhaps wish for.</td>
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<tr id="id_l206" class="new nick nick_csharp dark">
<td class="time" id="i_137552"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137552">15:29</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">we use the red icon for testing too</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137553"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137553">15:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">one of our "test before upgrade" setups had a garish yellow background in many staff (especially circ-related) interfaces to avoid the "oops, did production work in test env" situation.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137554"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137554">15:30</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">but it would be nice to have support for that baked in, maybe as a new feature in the web client.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137555"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137555">15:31</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">pre-login/post-login message / banner / popup, banner across the entire top of the page, or some combination of those things.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137556"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137556">15:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Hmm</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137557"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137557">15:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I don't see why not</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137558"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137558">15:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">we used to use the "reddish" opac theme on our test server, but that didn't help from the client</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137559"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137559">15:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Oh that's a throwback to the old days :)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137560"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137560">15:35</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">I guess those files still exist. We need to finish ripping all that out sometime...</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137561"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137561">15:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">so theoretically, if the client has next.gapines.org in its autoupdate.js file, it might grab those update files even if it's logging into gapines.org?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137562"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137562">15:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: yeah, that was back in 2009</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137563"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137563">15:36</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">csharp: I would think it would check that server every time it hiccupped and couldn't verify its version from gapines.org</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137564"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137564">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Or it'll just randomly suggest from time to time, hey upgrade me</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137565"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137565">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">well, the next server hasn't been updated since last year</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137566"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137566">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Since that's where it'd check towards</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137567"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137567">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Not the hostname you enter</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137568"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137568">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">right</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137569"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137569">15:37</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">okay - this is making more sense now</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137570"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137570">15:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">it never occurred to me that staff would be using test clients in production without realizing it</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137571"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137571">15:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #4a1700" class="nick">csharp</td>
<td class="msg ">but we've never disallowed them in production either (via symlink)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137572"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137572">15:40</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Indeed.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137573"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137573">16:33</a></td>
<td style="color: #71000f" class="nick">* jeff</td>
<td class="msg act ">laughs at himself</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137574"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137574">16:37</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137575"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137575">16:38</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">dbwells++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137576"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137576">16:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #080002" class="nick">kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg ">I'll try to fit in testing the new Negative Balance branch as soon as I can.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137577"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137577">16:39</a></td>
<td style="color: #7f6f00" class="nick">* kmlussier</td>
<td class="msg act ">disappears again.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137578"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137578">16:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">mumble mumble billing mumble mumble</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137579"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137579">16:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">mous and mus can differ when there are closed xacts with non-zero balance_owed.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137580"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137580">16:44</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">and the number of users where SUM(mmbxs.balance_owed) <> mous.balance_owed is different from the number of distinct users where mmbxs.xact_finish IS NOT NULL AND mmbxs.balance_owed <> 0</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137581"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137581">16:45</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">i'm sure there's a perfectly logical reason for that, and it probably involves xacts that even themselves out.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137582"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137582">16:59</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">...or it's because one of the two operands in the comparison is null.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137583"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137583">17:04</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">right. user with zero open xacts == mous.balance_owed is null.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137584"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137584">17:14</a></td>
<td style="color: #8da81a" class="nick">tsbere</td>
<td class="msg ">jeff: Gotta watch out for those nulls.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137585"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137585">17:15</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">yup.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137586"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137586">17:16</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">they'll get you every time.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137587"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137587">17:18</a></td>
<td style="color: #8da81a" class="nick">tsbere</td>
<td class="msg ">I find myself using IS (NOT) DISTINCT FROM when I suspect nulls may be involved. Especially when both sides may be null and I want to count that as "equal". That and to keep it in my head, if I don't use it for a while I forget about it. <_<</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137588"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137588">17:19</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">my query evolved from some clumsy-looking HAVING clauses to a pair of COALESCE calls. i like the IS DISTINCT FROM option.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137589"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137589">17:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">hrm. of course, IS DISTINCT FROM doesn't help me in this specific case (i really just need to use COALESCE)</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137590"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137590">17:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">still adding that to my toolbox for future use.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137591"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137591">17:21</a></td>
<td style="color: #001009" class="nick">jeff</td>
<td class="msg ">tsbere++</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137592"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137592">17:31</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137593"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137593">18:28</a></td>
<td style="color: #7b004f" class="nick">Stompro_home</td>
<td class="msg ">Anyone have experience using the Debian postgresql builds from <a href="https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt?" title="https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt?">https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt?</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137594"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137594">18:42</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Stompro_home: Yes, I use them regularly.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137595"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137595">18:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">For Evergreen and other projects that require PostgreSQL.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137596"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137596">18:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">Well, not Debian I guess... ubuntu.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137597"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137597">18:43</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">But same difference.</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137598"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137598">18:46</a></td>
<td style="color: #536916" class="nick">bshum</td>
<td class="msg ">What's up?</td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137599"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137599">18:55</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137600"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137600">19:38</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137602"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137602">21:30</a></td>
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<td class="time" id="i_137603"><a href="/evergreen/2014-11-11#i_137603">22:01</a></td>
<td style="color: #7b004f" class="nick">Stompro_home</td>
<td class="msg ">bshum: Sorry, left for suppertime and then bedtime. I'm just curious if we should take out the bit from the install docs about using debian backports and just use the Postgrest repo so everyone can use 9.3, vs Wheezy users running the 9.1 backport.</td>
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